Astral Projection vs Lucid Dreaming
I'm not sure where I should place this thread, so feel free to move it as desired.
From what I've gathered, lucid dreaming is the same thing as astral projection, without the actual projection. When you dream, (which you do every night), you project.. Am I correct? Or is there more to it than simply that?
My second question is regarding the interaction with the physical world while projection/in a lucid dream. I read somewhere that objects could be displaced in the precognitive field of the physical plane. Getting to this field in a lucid dream is as easy as getting anywhere else (simply desiring to be in it). So my question is, can you really move objects from your sleep?
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Re: Astral Projection vs Lucid Dreaming
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Originally Posted by shaitanx
From what I've gathered, lucid dreaming is the same thing as astral projection, without the actual projection. When you dream, (which you do every night), you project.. Am I correct? Or is there more to it than simply that?
The problem with these things seems to be terminology and the way different words are employed in a variety of fields with conflicting definitions... Ultimately, we are always "projected" to a certain degree, even when wide awake... It's just a matter of how much of your perceptions are coming from the physical body, and how good you are at not letting your brain scramble or discard the information you receive. When we sleep, a large layer of the "physical filter" is lifted, but there is still some of it there.
It's possible that some dreams or lucid dreams are actually projections but with a heavily distorted view of your surroundings, for instance. It's also possible that some projections are actually dreams where you create an environment that looks like the real world... And it's very hard to know with any certainty what an experience was after it has occured, unless you can somehow bring back solid proof with you...
You may be amazed to see most projectors saying "I had a lucid dream" or "I had a projection..." But the truth is, that's usually not something they know, it's what they want to believe after having the experience.
If we wanted to be 100% correct all the time, we'd just say "I had an experience," and we'd characterize it in terms of how vivid the memories were, how strongly we felt present-moment awareness and whether or not we were able to properly use our logical mind...
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My second question is regarding the interaction with the physical world while projection/in a lucid dream. I read somewhere that objects could be displaced in the precognitive field of the physical plane. Getting to this field in a lucid dream is as easy as getting anywhere else (simply desiring to be in it). So my question is, can you really move objects from your sleep?
The only stories I've heard of people affecting the physical from OBEs were rather inconclusive... So far, no expert or author has come forward with anything that explains how to do it... It's just one of these things that needs to be investigated further...
Re: Astral Projection vs Lucid Dreaming
Astral projection and lucid dreaming are NOT the same thing.
Astral projection is an experience outside your body, while lucid dreaming is being aware of dreaming.