What OOBE is, and what isn't
Although I'm a newbe on this forum, I have experienced a lot of projections (approximately 40). I'll share You the method I was using in other topic, however now I'd like to be talking about what the OOBE actually is - in my personal pont of view, of course.
I can't agree with opinion, according to which we experience some kind of perception out of the body.
First, let me say a few words about our perception being in body. We have no idea how the external reality looks like, because we're limited by our 5 senses in our perception. We can't perceive objective reality at all, even some slice of it. In fact, our senses are NOT like windows in our body. We don't see the objective reality using them. Our senses are just like the radio - they are able to deliver some unknown information to our brain. The brain converts the received impulses into a "picture of the external world". But, what exactly exists beyond our senses???
We even cannot imagine the world without a "picture", "sound", "toutch", "smell", "taste". How can we believe in external perception during OOBE? The world beyond the body doesn't contain any visual forms. Our perception during OOBE is closely depended on the brain-memory, and this is a fact.
According to above-mentioned way of thinking :
Is OOBE a proof of the soul existence?
Is OOBE a proof of live after the death?
I know, there are a lot of relations giving evidence of remote perception. I've experienced such things as well. But is there a diference between a dream and OOBE at all? A lot of people have experienced remote perception during a deam also.
And, the last :
Is there a diference between our daily life and our dream? We have nothing about the external world being in both states. In both states we are limited by internal world created by out brain inside us. So, maybe OOBE is the most internal experience? The travel inside internal world...?
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sorry for my english
And speaking of opinions,
Some of us believe that we create our reality, in waking reality as much as in 'dreamtime'; so about the only difference is that in waking reality we experience the world in timespace, so we create it within the confines of such a 'background', while in the 'sleeptime' the environment is thought responsive, so that whatever we create is practically immediate. So that the 'outside' and the 'inside' are the same, only perception of a point-of view. For labeling purposes only, we classify projection in more traditional or recognizable terms, for purposes of classification- but at least in my opinion, everything is a projection from mind- call it 'group mind', 'the mind of God', or whatever your worldview allows you to conceive.
When we talk about Astral projection we differentiate for practical purposes only, a dream from a projection to the RTZ or the 'astral proper', or whatever else you call it- because if we get too deep into a 'sort of' solipistic way of thinking, discussion becomes pointless, doesn't it? And part of the fun of projecting is talking about it.
That's why we assign values and differentiate one type of projection from another. :wink:
Re: What OOBE is, and what isn't
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Originally Posted by Sephir
I can't agree with opinion, according to which we experience some kind of perception out of the body.
I have a little advice for you:
Before forming any strong opinion about any possible thing, wait until you are really experienced in the matter.
Be like a good scientist who doesn't really know what will happen during his experiment, who always waits for the experiment to finish completely before writing down all resulting data.
Re: What OOBE is, and what isn't
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Originally Posted by paker7
Before forming any strong opinion about any possible thing, wait until you are really experienced in the matter.
Be like a good scientist who doesn't really know what will happen during his experiment, who always waits for the experiment to finish completely before writing down all resulting data.
That's excellent advice. Automatically deciding that something is fake, unreal, impossible, etc. etc. before you've found out enough just closes doors that could have led to excellent and enlightening places. ;)