Subconsciousness weakness vs. consciousness power

I observed one thing when comparing the time when I'm sleeping (and being unconscious) and when I'm fully awaken (normal conscious state).

I don't know why, but when sleeping, I rarely have "power", I feel often powerless, with some few exceptions in the recent months (when some power - to my surprise - appeared even in dreams). For example, I may see an evil people around in the dream and have no idea what to do about it. But in the moment when I awake, I think often: it's obvious! I would (will) do this or that...

It seems like when I'm asleep, my will is weak. When I awake, I feel strong will again. I feel I can solve lots of issues just because of it.
There is a strong difference between the "mental" or "will" power available when sleeping and when awaken.

I also have an observation that I'm missing a lot of my intellectual and mental skills in dreams. In my birth chart I have lots of fire element, and this leads me to quick way of thinking, analysis, ease in overcoming difficulties etc. These all seem to be not available in the dream state.
I wish I could connect and integrate both, subconscious and conscious mind, yet I have no idea how to do that. I do this intuitively, widening my conscious mind to have better "touch" with the subconsciousness, but it's a slow evolution I would say.

I'd like to have access to both conscious and subconscious abilities at the same time. Instead, I feel that my conscious mind is very strong and distinct, while subconscious - weak and rather indefinite...

Real sleep is definately a good chance to do what you love. Fake sleep, not bad for if you figure something out. Fully conscious of reality and "I am the one"...

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Originally Posted by Antares

I'd like to have access to both conscious and subconscious abilities at the same time. Instead, I feel that my conscious mind is very strong and distinct, while subconscious - weak and rather indefinite...

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You just described two opposites - Yin and Yang. The conscious mind of many people tends towards Yang - the forceful, will. You describe your subconscious mind as Yin. What is different from your account to how Yin and Yang is understood that these are qualities, not values in and of itself. You ascribe "strong" to Yang which is superficially correct, but you imply "good." You ascribe "weak" to Yin which is superficially correct, but you imply "bad."

Yang can never get rid of Yin, and in fact turns into Yin over the course of time. To live from any extreme over a long period of time is seen unhealthy within the belief system from which this idea of Yin-Yang came. Change of one to the other is inevitable.

Take for example your birth chart. You see this as your gift, which to some degree it is. But some people looking into birth charts might ask "Why not develop other qualities to balance an inherent tendency?" One cannot be only mind, only analysis, only will. You try to bend your dreams to your conscious will. But will that really happen?

The subconscious is the giant sea in which the conscious mind only is adrift. The flotsam does not tell the sea where to go, nor does the iceberg. In the end both are adrift, exposed to forces beyond their control, and always will be. A unity with the subconscious can come from accepting that condition in my experience. Willpower has merit but if only willpower is applied it will always be limited.

Only Yang by itself is less than half. Yin and Yang together are moving towards a whole. Yin and Yang in balance become emptiness, and in emptiness become all that is.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

Yin and Yang together are moving towards a whole.

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How would you approach then a balance between being des-integrated and ingtegrated? Or even more, being balanced and unbalanced? Between yang and yin moving into opposite dirtections, and into themselves towards a whole? Between the illussion and the clarity?

I think the key is always integration: connecting consciousness with subconsciousness. This is what I am into, yet the distinction between the two is still strong.

I agree with the goal of integration, certainly no disagreement there. :D This is "merely" a matter of approach, though that's understating it as most things are "merely" a matter of approach. I would even go so far and say a multitude of approaches lead to the same end, but many in a roundabout way. So it is not a matter if you arrive but how and when. But again, that borders on the tautological because I believe that all beings will evolve. It is more in facilitating a way that makes it easier, smoother to do so than in making it happen. The Universe is already set up for evolution - at least I believe so.

Now, to answer your questions... One can adopt a preliminary, provisional belief. I have been taught so and it can be helpful. You don't have to accept it as true or make it your own, but only explore "What if this were true?" Your own sense of the truth will eventually lead you as to whether the belief is useful to you or not. So it is merely a suggestion, something you try on for size, and definitely not meant to replace your own judgment on the matter. In the end it is your process of personal evolution, your existence, and you live with the consequences.

Having said so much in the lead-in, my suggestion would be to adopt a provisional belief along these lines: "In waking the conscious guides, in dreaming the unconscious guides." You can see if you are able to temporarily hold such a provisional belief. Some people won't, wouldn't want to, or can't. That is fine. It is just an experiment in consciousness to see if anything changes as a result. Now, if you are able and willing to hold this belief for the sake of an "What if" experiment, see if your dreams change. See if your dreams try to guide you.

Guidance can come from the environment - a subtle goading, the appearance of a door waiting to be opened. Guidance can also come from a being that actively engages you. It can be subtle, a mere hint, clue, or suggestion. It can be overt. Your beliefs will always impact the way you dream and act in dreams. On all levels. So if you are able to work with your beliefs in some form, your experience might change as well. And the real fun is in discovering what changes and how.

Of course this is only one provisional belief one can hold. So many are possible! But the real key skill is not holding a belief temporarily, though it is vital, a precondition. The key skill is to observe truthfully the consequence, like a true scientist of consciousness. To see what is even if it challenges one's assumptions. To not see what simply isn't, even if one would think it would be better if it were. Honest to oneself and to the subject at hand, a definite use of an incisive and critical mind.

As to other elements of integration - this kind of depends on what you find in your experiments. Integration happens by bringing balance into things. Observing seemingly disparate things may create insight where the balance lies. Unlike some do believe it is not always the middle, but in broad terms it is often on a continuum. To use an oversimplified analogy: A scale rotating on a pivot does not always balance "in the middle." It balances depending on the weight on each side and the length of each arm. Balance then exists somewhere in every pair but requires some fiddling, experimenting, observing, understanding, and resolving. (Balancing pairs can in turn lead to more integration, to find balance in all things. This can lead to a greater capability to absorb and understand.)

One final remark. Illusion and clarity to me are not opposites in the sense of polar opposites. Illusion is the absence of clarity. Once clarity is achieved, illusion is absent. Within any given area they do not turn into each other. The expansion of clarity dispels the other. Light does not change into darkness. There is either light or no light, but illumination and darkness are results of the presence and absence of light, darkness has no inherent nature. It is a subtle distinction. But it makes a fundamental difference: In balanced opposites opting for one to the exclusion of the other brings imbalance. But one does not err in aiming to be more clear. You do not fall back into ignorance. You do however rise to a new level and will have to refine clarity further.

Tai chi will integrate body and mind, whereas reiki will integrate spirit and soul. The Dao is Confucious...

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Originally Posted by Korpo

One final remark. Illusion and clarity to me are not opposites in the sense of polar opposites. Illusion is the absence of clarity. Once clarity is achieved, illusion is absent. Within any given area they do not turn into each other. The expansion of clarity dispels the other. Light does not change into darkness. There is either light or no light, but illumination and darkness are results of the presence and absence of light, darkness has no inherent nature. It is a subtle distinction. But it makes a fundamental difference: In balanced opposites opting for one to the exclusion of the other brings imbalance. But one does not err in aiming to be more clear. You do not fall back into ignorance. You do however rise to a new level and will have to refine clarity further.

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This is how logic wants to see things :) One excludes another. Good is an absence of evil, for instance.

Some however suggest that we can go beyond any dualities, beyond good and evil, light and darkness, and so on...

My psychotic voices have told me that the only scientific realisation is Self, and that the resulting reality is entirely construed from "within" that experience. For example, knowledge is the superstition of superiority and love is the superstition of one's humanity. What does the Self create in yourself, and does it matter to be conscious of this much... Yes, I do believe.

The more I explore the subject of spirit, the more I am convinced that we - our souls included - are not really going through the re-incarnational cycles, but we are imprisoned by the advanced astral technology.

In brief, we are victims of the cosmic-astral slavery. Our souls suffer from lack of clarity, power, knowledge (hence amnesia) and self-awareness. The material life on the Earth at the moment is simply a method to bring even more confusion, yet risky for our "astral lords": as it provides us with potential freedom and will. Of course, this "should not" be like that: we are supposed to believe that we as souls "learn" through so-called incarnations, through pain and suffering. I suspect it now to be a deliberate plan for souls and humanity.

In the recent months I was analysing many information, which include:
- E. Cayce statement about our mental state in the after-life (as a soul)
- NDE experiences
- M. Newton life between lives details given by his patients on choosing a new incarnation with help of some "mysterious" astral devices: screens, cameras, manipulators, buttons... interesting, isn't it?
- the ancient views on after-life, which often are far from the modern NDE experiences descriptions, suggesting the evil forces residing around the Earth plane (which is confirmed by my personal experiences)
- Carlos Castaneda's books on his mentor, Don Juan's teachings about the dangerous "Eagle" hidden in the astral realms, and what the whole magic training was about, very similar to the other Indian shamanic traditions
- the information on how the other planets of the solar system are monitored, sometimes even inhabitted by extra terrestial workers (of course fully realizing the existence of humanity)
- my own mental power when daily mind works, and mental weakness when sleeping (I am literally forced to make the will-fights with the astral beings while sleeping; I suspect some of the dreams being influenced by such astral creatures, and not being a simple result of the subconsciousness working, as psychiatrists suggest)

and many, many more.

The way to get out from the astral-soul prison, which we are not supposed to be aware of, is to - as Castaneda suggests - gather enough power to state about ourselves and connect directly to the spirit, without taking into account so to speak "soul incarnational development" demands imposed on us. ;P

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Originally Posted by Antares

The more I explore the subject of spirit, the more I am convinced that we - our souls included - are not really going through the re-incarnational cycles, but we are imprisoned by the advanced astral technology.

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In the prison = pleasure is normal
Outside the prison = work is normal

Halfway in/out of the prison = where the heck are the humans? :angelic: And so be that much!

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Originally Posted by olyris

In the prison = pleasure is normal

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In the prison, depends on what side you are, I guess... but I think I would skip this kind of experience. :)

In the dream state (alpha, delta, theta...): my mind is blurred and shady; ideas come with a difficulty; analysing seems to be hardly possible; finding any light to working way out through is a struggle. I am prone or exposed to the demons attacks.
In the non-sleeping state (beta): my mind is sharp and quick; ideas typically are coming all the time; I am very analytic and creative; I may get a new light to ideas at will, and if sun and space is out there I am literally bombarded with new thoughts. My energy and mind is strong enough so that demons have to wait and be very manipulative in order to achieve anything, unable to get through my aura.

How come?

Is this how we would "live" when in after-life?

Is not this what the ancient people were afraid of, and anticipated this kind of almost not-living, but actually vegetating experience, when they physicall die? Because, ancients told that we are not just bodies with souls, as a modern esoteric so-called sciences tend to tell us; it is much more complex than that.

How about that:

Tonight about 3.30 a.m. when awoke I heard some tiny voice (I heard it for a number of times before, but typically talking to some mentor beings), this time directly asking me:

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"pleeeease tell the guides to be less guides and more helpers!"

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To improve the sleep state, turn off computers and put phones on charge, radio half volume.
To clear up the waking state, a morning routine (coffee and news) makes for a good break between the sleep and the waking mind.

My sleep improved a lot in the recent months, particularly after the "demon challange" which I decribed on the forum on November 2019, along with the threats given to me then which I didn't left unresponded.

The subconsciousness weakness has nothing to do with sleep. I consider it a perfect opportunity to have those information recieved and to see behind the "cover". Because the information that I got so far confirms that living physically person has much more possbilities (in terms of potential) than any non-physically living being. We have the opporunity to state about ourselves here, and not to be in the control of "the universe powers" - in any other way than being just massively and individually manipulated by general systems created for enslaving the masses of human beings here. This is what some well informed and educated people did in the ancient history, like pharaohs in their endeavors of becoming "Ra" before / after the physical death, or simply avoiding it.

Astrally weak and bound to the reincarnational system, I believe that we should build the inner strength / power and increase the mental clarity in order to decide about ourselves.

Yes, inner is greatness.

MAGIC WARS

I think the recent few weeks gave me new insights about what's going on.

I must say also that somewhere around the half of the march some impersonal in feeling, hard to identify voice was constantly saying short phrases or single words like "virus", "stay at home", "don't go out", "illness", "security" and other propaganda like that. What happens when I sleep for the last 2 or 3 years in particular confirmed this. Some of the influences and difficulties of this kind I described in this thread.

My general conclusion is this: we are under the constant subconscious influence efforts of negative sort. This kind of magic or esoteric influence put against the society is used in order to keep it weak and under control. I.e., there is an ongoing telepathic or magic war the society has no awareness of - some forces simply want to use any way to affect the society on the global scale, so keep your mind and energy strong and sharp and your spirit unaffected.

"Our safety" vs "my truth" is an interesting battle of words. I see in it, personal agendata and brave/stupid in these, are being defined - as though numbers are being plugged into a matrix system.

What is the dividing line between brave/stupid anyway? Meaning something. What is spirituality? Meaning something. What is communication itself? Meaning something.

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Originally Posted by Antares

we are under the constant subconscious influence efforts of negative sort. This kind of magic or esoteric influence put against the society is used in order to keep it weak and under control

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I cannot emphasize it more. The things that Robert Bruce talks about and AD is all about are far from the massive, allowed "common truth". Let's be more precise what can be done and how you can be manipulated by the "invisible soldiers" - they might e.g.:
- send you certain suggestions through telepathic means
- abuse your beliefs against you
- set up your dreams when dreaming
- set up your emotions and doubts when awake
- influence not only your mind, but also minds of the others around you and make them e.g. say out loud or do certain things
- use "phantoms" - ghosts or their projections as sort of workers, especially on late evenings and nights
- put general negative energy against you
- implant an energetic parasite into your energetic system
- affect your health: mental, energetic and physical
- give you incorrect "advises" on what to do - not only directly

Remember that they can read your mind - in many ways, if not directly, then indirectly. They may ask you questions to gain information from you - again, they have many methods on doing so; many of their attempts affect only your subconscious part. Subconsciousness generally tends to be more naive and may react automatically and in good faith to their manipulative ways of gathering information. They may observe you for quite a long time, sometimes even trying to pretend to be mentors or guides and give you "advises" on what to do. I'd suggest keeping up to your feelings and intuition.

These are my general observations after several months and the analysis of what happens and what are the results afterwards. We should not assume that the energetic part of the Earth is put free and is not under a control, but only physical part is. I don't want anyone to scare, but I think it's good to keep objective attitude and calm observation as well as strong integration. The good news is that they cannot affect you unless you allow them to do so.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

The subconscious is the giant sea in which the conscious mind only is adrift. The flotsam does not tell the sea where to go, nor does the iceberg. In the end both are adrift, exposed to forces beyond their control, and always will be. A unity with the subconscious can come from accepting that condition in my experience. Willpower has merit but if only willpower is applied it will always be limited.

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Ok, I think that it cannot be explained better way as you do. Maybe I would not mistake the subconscious with something that ancient Egyptians described as Nut (and worshipped by masses as goddess) - the big cosmic "ocean", probably the astral realms from my understanding - i.e. actually the whole universe as we see it. There is a significant distinction between the sea and the waters that are part of you: the latter 'stays' with you, while the former - does not.

According to ancient cosmology, you 'consist' of 4 elements: fire, water, air and earth. They symbolically reperesent your inner self. Water is mostly related to subconscious part, fire - to conscious will. They are not in equal amount in every person, but they are all existent, and - I believe - can be integrated. See more about the related Egyptian mythology below.

But "limited" is indeed the interesting key point - a very philosophical essentially. I am working however on having a practical solution of utilizing this observation - not as an ultimate 'answer', but as a current mean for the proper integration.

The will from my view is like a point coming from very deep level - which is beyond anything that we can 'see': this means all the levels of the universe (astral, mental, spiritual...), perhaps should be compared to the tao point. I'm not talking about 'will' of ego here.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

You don't have to accept it as true or make it your own, but only explore "What if this were true?" Your own sense of the truth will eventually lead you as to whether the belief is useful to you or not. So it is merely a suggestion, something you try on for size, and definitely not meant to replace your own judgment on the matter. In the end it is your process of personal evolution, your existence, and you live with the consequences.

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Again, I cannot find a way how it could be better explained. And indeed, these are we responsible for the consequences - we can and should rely on ourselves in the end. That's why, I believe, integration is so important, and making divisions between conscious and subconscious, or this level or that level, may be only temporary. The essential goal of alchemy and astrology - in practical sense - was to combine the Sun with the Moon (more on this below). It makes a lot of sense in this light of matters.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

hold this belief for the sake of an "What if" experiment, see if your dreams change. See if your dreams try to guide you.

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To be honest, to me it's more complicated than that. Subconscious (dreams included) is not as simple and straightforward, it won't go the straight line and do exactly what is told, which BTW you stated before as well. Programming dreams may be one way, but at this point I must say that my intuition works better, and my dreams are under the influence of not necesserily friendly forces - as, as you say, there is always something "good" and "bad" (even if implied only) out there. That's why I started this thread: to put attention on how subconsciousness can be influenced and its nature utilized to affect you - as a sort of weapon in fact.

It should be realized, otherwise - you are unconscious 'victim'. This fact is essentially probably about this whole "evolution" which you mentioned.

C. G. Jung was stating, I believe, that unconscious is constantly 'sapped' by the other forces - it's the nature of subconscious. However, to state that it is a static - not dynamic - situation is like putting limitations on yourself and what you can achieve. The dynamic force - yang (symbolized by the Sun and the consciousness) - is always influencing it as well. This is the essence of whole astrology, alchemy and taoism, I believe, on the practical level.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

integration happens by bringing balance into things. Observing seemingly disparate things may create insight where the balance lies. Unlike some do believe it is not always the middle, but in broad terms it is often on a continuum. To use an oversimplified analogy: A scale rotating on a pivot does not always balance "in the middle." It balances depending on the weight on each side and the length of each arm. Balance then exists somewhere in every pair but requires some fiddling, experimenting, observing, understanding, and resolving. (Balancing pairs can in turn lead to more integration, to find balance in all things. This can lead to a greater capability to absorb and understand.)

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Yes, that's really interesting point. Balance can be found everywhere, at any point. The same notion and suggestion is found in Ayurveda - as so-called doshas and prakriti are different and unique for everyone.

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Originally Posted by Korpo

Illusion and clarity to me are not opposites in the sense of polar opposites. Illusion is the absence of clarity. Once clarity is achieved, illusion is absent. Within any given area they do not turn into each other. The expansion of clarity dispels the other. Light does not change into darkness. There is either light or no light, but illumination and darkness are results of the presence and absence of light, darkness has no inherent nature. It is a subtle distinction. But it makes a fundamental difference: In balanced opposites opting for one to the exclusion of the other brings imbalance. But one does not err in aiming to be more clear. You do not fall back into ignorance. You do however rise to a new level and will have to refine clarity further.

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It's like saying that yang is not opposite to yin, but one expels another.
Remaining in the field of conscious / subconscious, I'll refer again to the Sun and the Moon symbols: they are sides of the same coin, one residing in darkness, the other in (of) light. Human being has both. You do not allow your subconscious decide about your conscious self - unless you want to be like a leaf on wind. That's why you have been given the tools that maintain your integrity in the ocean of Apopis (chaos). They have been called by the ancient Egyptian priests: Heka, Sia, and Hu, and the symbol of Ra represents your consciousness and will.

These are the tools that allow you to travel through the oceans (Nut) and maintain your integrity against the chaotic waters (Apopis), which has the infinite ultimate point beyond the universe itself (Tao). These are IMHO very good symbols that refer to what is going on on the deeper levels of our beings.

I have a feeling recently that I am on the threshold of my research of discovering something really profound - the practical answer as a solution to all of that what I wrote before. Still work is in progress.

I think that we are in the transition phase at the moment - globally. I don't want to repeat any other people's or beings' stuff, I present only my view and observations, or insights that I have from my intuition.

My observation is - and it gradually becomes obvious to me - that at the moment a minority of people like on this forum are actually making a change - in thinking, in particular involving the other levels of the universe into our existence (thinking and experience). Most of people don't even want to hear that there is anything beyond their physical bodies - I think this is the biggest reason for making the atheist propaganda as dominating as religious propaganda was successful in the previous centuries.

How would you do this, is really a matter of your choice and free will. I'd suggest not limiting yourself and not taking other peoples' assumptions or limitations - particularly belief systems limitations.

But let's put the social engineering aside. There is also an opposite, ongoing endeavor to not allow this transition to happen. This is what I observe. You may call it a hidden, telepathic war, which I mentioned on a few occasions.

Take into account that your mind - particularly the unconscious part of it - may suffer from a hidden manipulation.

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Originally Posted by Antares

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- set up your dreams when dreaming
- set up your emotions and doubts when awake
- influence not only your mind, but also minds of the others around you and make them e.g. say out loud or do certain things
- use "phantoms" - ghosts or their projections as sort of workers, especially on late evenings and nights

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This may happen during dreaming. I have noticed many dreams imposing negative pictures and involving very negative energies. I have them for many months now; some suggest wrong turns, bad decisions, making guilty etc. Some of them - particularly involving some voices, typically just before awakening - are about suggesting deaths of my relatives. They also "design" my reaction in the dream - but when I wake up I do not feel those "feelings" which were experienced in the dream, I feel totally normal.

What happens, then? Nothing of those negative implications happened in my life, however. None - all were just false indications.
One of the designed reactions in those "dreams" is intensive crying. So far I thought that it was my reaction after manipulative words given by some "mentor beings" in the dream... until today. I discovered something new.

Today morning, just before awakening, I was returning to the body, but before finally get into it, I sensed a strange layer I didn't see before: it was an implanted energy outside of my aura: it was a layer of the same energy of intensive crying. I quickly moved through it, and I didn't feel this crying anymore when moved through the layer.
But what happened next is most interesting: just after (!) leaving the "crying layer", I heard a male voice trying to manipulate me, telling me about my brother soon going to die! The difference was, I was now fully awake, and didn't react to that "crying layer" this time - the words from the manipulative being had therefore no impact on my subconscious self and caused no presumed reaction from myself (crying as a reply to this being's words).

So it seems that there are methods to create energy layers around you when sleeping fulfilled with negative emotional energies and used as a sort of manipulative endeavors.

I was given the "harvest" word for the recent few weeks, clearly referring to the global situation. Wondering what should I think of it.

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Originally Posted by Antares

I was given the "harvest" word for the recent few weeks, clearly referring to the global situation. Wondering what should I think of it.

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To be able tohave a good harvest you have to have a good sowing....so have you sow positively or negatively??

Love
ia

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Originally Posted by IA56

To be able tohave a good harvest you have to have a good sowing....so have you sow positively or negatively??

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Is it possible that there are "helpers" who want you to sow in a certain way?
Like non-physical beings having nothing to do with their poor existence, but to haunt people and manipulate them in order to sow negatively?

R. A. Monroe, Edgar Cayce and many other researchers told that the after-death state is similar to the dream state. Your thoughts decide about what you will experience.
I have an impression that if I died today, I would be in something like hell. This is because I am almost every night haunted by some beings, and have less power and control.
Everything changes when I wake up, my power is back, my mind becomes clear again, not offended by any dark beings, and I can clearly decide about myself and my thoughts.

It seems that living physically saves you and gives you opportunity to make an achievement, which in the end is related always in any way to immortality (the substitute for the connection to the life source). Dying into astral keeps you in the darkness, until you are born again. The Earth is surrounded by darkness.

Waiting for the death is the worst choice a human being could make. And the negative beings try whatever they can to either lead you to commit a suicide or get seriously ill - the latter being actually a disguised form of suicide as well.

Is this sort of "harvest" that is going to happen on the human kind, and we are "prepared" like plants in a garden?

Because, the essential question is: why so many people today get seriously ill - more than any other time in the whole history of the human kind? Why there is big business created around making people ill, including medical businesses?

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Originally Posted by Antares

Is it possible that there are "helpers" who want you to sow in a certain way?
Like non-physical beings having nothing to do with their poor existence, but to haunt people and manipulate them in order to sow negatively?

R. A. Monroe, Edgar Cayce and many other researchers told that the after-death state is similar to the dream state. Your thoughts decide about what you will experience.
I have an impression that if I died today, I would be in something like hell. This is because I am almost every night haunted by some beings, and have less power and control.
Everything changes when I wake up, my power is back, my mind becomes clear again, not offended by any dark beings, and I can clearly decide about myself and my thoughts.

It seems that living physically saves you and gives you opportunity to make an achievement, which in the end is related always in any way to immortality (the substitute for the connection to the life source). Dying into astral keeps you in the darkness, until you are born again. The Earth is surrounded by darkness.

Waiting for the death is the worst choice a human being could make. And the negative beings try whatever they can to either lead you to commit a suicide or get seriously ill - the latter being actually a disguised form of suicide as well.

Is this sort of "harvest" that is going to happen on the human kind, and we are "prepared" like plants in a garden?

Because, the essential question is: why so many people today get seriously ill - more than any other time in the whole history of the human kind? Why there is big business created around making people ill, including medical businesses?

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As you know I am not good at expressing myself...so what I see the dreamstate to be is to awaken time work what did not work in the dream..work awaken time so it will work in dreamstate ...work until it is second nature....that I believe dreamstate is for.....

Love
ia

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Originally Posted by IA56

As you know I am not good at expressing myself...so what I see the dreamstate to be is to awaken time work what did not work in the dream..work awaken time so it will work in dreamstate ...work until it is second nature....that I believe dreamstate is for.....

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My view on the dream state refers to the nature of human being. I must also admit that I never liked the popular idea to treat subconsciousness like a "dumb dog" that "needs" to be trained; I am watchful and careful how to treat it.

What is human being?

Psychologists say that we have consciousness and unconsciousness. Some say that next to consciousness we have also subconsciousness and superconsciousness. The part that plays its role in the dream is generally sub-/un-consciousness.

The latter seems to be more accurate. Edgar Cayce once in his reading saw an image of the structure of the human mind (not just physical, i.e. not just incarnated, but more holistic image), and the picture showed that indeed the consciousness is just a peak on the large "funnel" of subconscious part. Subconsciousness seems to be very, very vast. (You can explore it very long and only find a small island on the immeasurable oceans)

To me consciousness is like a narrow beam of laser light: where you move it, then it shines on the area. What is the area? To me, it is the vastness of subconsciousness. Your physical body and brain as well as etheric body with its chakras and the whole energetic system allow you to use your consciousness in a certain way - the nervous system, the etheric part and the brain seem to be like a computer for your mind, i.e. an "aid" that you may use for your advantage. When you go to sleep, it stops working this way in a large part.

Now, what happens after the death, when you have no more possibility to use this biological super-computer?

Ancient texts say that you encounter many obstacles, illusions possibly as well, and it is easy to be totally confused and lose your way; you become a 'dim ghost', without much consciousness (or at all), just dreaming your dreams, and probably reincarnate to another body, or be stuck somewhere between the "heaven" (an ancient term, not to be mistaken with 'sky') and the earth...

Therefore, death is not a solution to anything. Plus, the universe is not dependent on time (but you are - until you gain the high enough perspective when you see that it is just a dimension and thus you may master moving within it), it does not care therefore what would happen to you. You may end up in something like being incarnated into a body being terrorized and tortured during the 2nd world war, or something. So you make the choices - now. You decide now.

To me a human being is well described by C.G.Jung: compared to a ship on oceans. The ship is like unconsciousness, and the steer is like consciousness. Without steer, you go nowhere but where the waves of the oceans would lead you - in the random directions. Yet, it exists. The ancient Egyptian or Summerian people also used this comparison to oceans when describing the 'world beyond' physical.

The idea is to take advantage of super-biological computer and create enough energy and consciousness, so that you can decide about yourself. The alternative is to become a dim ghost, in something like a dream state, no doubt ultimately returning to another incarnation within possibly less fortunate circumstances and less possibilities to gain this knowledge and development. As I mentioned multiple times, to Spirit time has no meaning, to us - it does.

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Originally Posted by Antares

The alternative is to become a dim ghost, in something like a dream state, no doubt ultimately returning to another incarnation within possibly less fortunate circumstances and less possibilities to gain this knowledge and development. As I mentioned multiple times, to Spirit time has no meaning, to us - it does.

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The solution is shen (spirit) energy.

People do not realize how shen is important. Shen is generally about life. When one feels out of luck, out of tune, in a bad shape or mood, lack of motivation, is in a depressive state, etc., this means he or she has lost the proper connection. This can be restored, actually quite easily, if you "nourish" your spirit on a regular basis.

Spirit is the "heaven" quality (as opposed to "earth" quality), and can be related to the "higher mind", having a strong idea (or ideals, as Edgar Cayce called them) about your life, have a wider perspective, intuition as well as imaginary skills, which results in being creative on all levels.

If this is missing, you are out of spirit, i.e. out of life - in both terms: direct, and the life energy. Focusing on your core self, using your memory to restore how you felt in the best times, particularly when you were a child, brings back shen (spirit). It also in the end nourishes and rejuvenates the body more than any food.

Many people who come to AD ask questions for trouble they are facing. They tend to be obviously of meta-physical nature. However, is not it the way it actually should be?

I can't remember any of books on shamanism that I've read which did not mention sort of initiation - facing the typically negative influences alone. What I am wondering about is whether this is sort of modern practical initiation to the shamanic-like transition.

I mean, the life, when becoming meta-physically oriented, may not be the same any more. This is something I heard many times before this started to happen (although I had always some of experiences of that sort). And the challanges may repeat in different stages of your life until prepared.

Any ideas or experiences to share? (I have many, some of them I write about on AD: for example I am for the 2 recent years frequently haunted about e.g. death of either myself or someone from my family, all kinds of illnesses etc. - nothing of these "prophecies" happened).

Interesting what I've been told tonight by a, no doubt, malicious voice. He said:

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Lungs disease

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I started wondering what it means and scanning my lungs. Then he scoffed (suggesting it was a lie) referring to me and not only me:

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Why do people believe in everything they are told? Whatever is said to them, they believe it, not questioning anything so it is so easy to manipulate people. Millions of people ask the same questions every day and every night, like "why me", "why did it happen". It is so boring.

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I started wondering why is he telling all of that to me? I hadn't heard anything for a longer time, perhaps because of my thoughts interrupting him. But when I stopped after a longer while I heard calm and serious answer:

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The reason is the exctinction of the human race.

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First I didn't know where it referred to, after a while I just connected all the points and realized that this being's intention of manipulating people is to cause diseases or suicides simply by suggestions to their minds. Further more, people do not question such suggestions but really believe them, which in turn may finally lead to an actual disease.

I also realized that these are not just suggestions. It is something more, an ability which you might have had seen in the Star Wars serie: a strong suggestions causes the "victim" to do exactly what it is told.

What is going on, I started to wondering? Are there more beings like that? Does it explain an increase in suicides or multi-murders (like in schools) in the recent years?

In the recent several weeks I identified 'something' trying to inject into me multiple thoughts in a way that it was supposed to be just my thought, i.e. not "do something", but more like "I'd love to do that!". However, I detected mentally sort of pressure from outside, not a feeling from inside, so I did not do anything of that. Then it got more aggressive, but this also failed. I kept logical clear thinking. No doubt it tried to complicate my life with potentially very bad decisions.

UPDATE:
I've just found confirmation, actually about exactly the same thing, in one book by Michael Newton "Memories of the Afterlife", 1st chapter. The person, Sasha, during the previous life hypnotherapic session being an ancient Egyptian priest named Sharoon there, tells how it is easy to influence people by mind - as she says, energetically and spiritually - so that they did what she wanted from them. I know it is possible. She says that it is very powerful and people are so easy to manipulate.

Further more, when I've read the whole scenario of the session and the problems she is facing in her current lifetime, I recognized many similarities to my own situation at the moment: with choices to be made by my own (to choose a lifepath) - some 'better' and some 'worse', as well as incentives to influence others - by the mind. Indeed I've been on several occasions in no more than 2 recent years given a suggestion that I can "resolve everything" easily by an influence of a mental sort. However every time I rejected the idea, feeling that it only multiplies issues, and the "solution" is only temporary. Is this the reason why I am facing an "astral enemy" (as once this being has been recently called), trying to manipulate my mind among others? What I can say that I chose every time suffering rather than 'making decisions' for another; is the failure in influencing my mind by this being a result of me not influencing minds of others? I'm suspecting it to be so - because I learnt how to control my mind better this way and leave the "incentives" unresponded. I also figured there is a way for identification of the "thoughts" appearing. It can be trained: both using logical mind as well as sensing.

Although I frequently did not know who was talking to me (I mean, voice), I was keeping my answer to it and faking that I do not believe it and know everything about it. Guess what? The being finally implicitly confessed to its manipulations. :P It may read this post (through the AD members minds, of course, not directly) and be angry and try to prepare a (mental) trap of some sort, but I'll be waiting for this challenge.