Ethics

[Korpo]

Hello, Ritch.

In the astral our bodies are a reflection of our emotional self

Theosophic writings say the opposite. While in the mental plane or in the mental body, looks can no longer deceive, they can on the astral plane. I have seen this described as "glamour" where an astral entity with less than benevolent intent makes itself appear as something or someone else.

While you are your emotional self in the astral, you are also limited to your astral senses. The astral body is limited in this regard and astral senses can be deceived.

Even beyond that also what you see is also heavily influenced by your own conditioning. You can see things according to your belief system, in ways that can quite heavily distort what's actually happening.

When you combine these two statements, you could even come to the conclusion that astral sight is quite the opposite of accurate, but I wouldn't go that far. It's just not reliable in the same sense as perceptions from the higher bodies would be.

Astral perceptions - neither good nor bad - should therefore not be taken literally or at face value, but in the least symbolic and with a grain of salt. You could see someone as a demon because he has questionable qualities. Or you could just see your own perception of him reflected on him, your own fear, for example.

Cheers,
Oliver

[sibouleaux]

I am glad to see that many are helping here, thanks for all your replies.

Well, I must admit that.. the thread has gone somewhere totally different from what I first meant. Maybe my english suffers from the "lost in translation" effect, or I did not express myself correctly. I quoted the "Astral sex" article because even though it was not my main concern, I learned about a "vibrational state"/emotion that could affect/attract other astral being. I'm only using this as an example, not that I am learning for that purpose.

I won't start to spy on people because it is allowed in the astral plane, even if it is encouraged.. I won't because I think it is important to respect in what I believe of. I hope it cleared some fog over the whole thread, well, maybe I was in the fog alone but it doesn't matter

A little background is necessary I think. I recently read Astral City by Chico Xavier/Andre Luiz, which was a nice book imho. I tried to mix what I learned in the book with what Robert Brunce, Robert Monroe and other specialists have said. For those who didn't read the book, it is the story of a doctor who died and is now in the astral planes to heal himself and continue his astral life. The book brought the notion of good and evil, with explanations of vibrations. The "guides" or "healers" were teaching him how the astral society work, and giving him the general guidelines of what to do, and what to achieve to "ascend" to the higher planes.

(important underline, it is that fact that I am trying to sort out in this thread)

To fit with Robert's catch basket principle, I needed to discard certain parts of the story that were reflecting a specific culture and not representing the overall picture (religious and region specific mostly). But that part, I just don't know?

I am in my learning phase, and I'm someone that doesn't want to go on the wrong path because of my lack of knowledge. I should have named this thread "what not to do" instead of ethics so it doesn't confuse people. Let me give you an example..

I know that there are many negative entities out there feeding on us, influencing us and doing all sorts of things to us. As every beginner, I read Robert's self-defense topic and I found that useful to know. My question here is : Are there any actions in the astral plane to avoid because they could harm me? To fit with the subject I can also ask, are there some things that can harm one in the astral planes even if the intent is to produce good vibrations?

Concrete example:
Let's say that Joe is someone who brings a lot of negative to the physical world, but in my perception he is a very good being and I want to help him (I'm THAT convinced he's amazing). I decide to heal him or help him in some way, and I realize that for all that time I was tricked (by negs, by him.. doesn't matter).

Would that good intent, while still there, reflect negatively (reduce vibrations for example) on my higher self without me knowing?

By using logic, I can deduct that this event will have a negative impact on my psychological life therefore affecting in some way my higher self. I'm more focussing this question on while the action is happening.

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I did not yet have the chance to project.. I am not familiar with these details so I thought it could be good to ask .

Thanks!

[sibouleaux]

Astral perceptions - neither good nor bad - should therefore not be taken literally or at face value, but in the least symbolic and with a grain of salt. You could see someone as a demon because he has questionable qualities. Or you could just see your own perception of him reflected on him, your own fear, for example.

What if one spend his whole life in the error and never realize it. Would he achieve higher vibrations because he was good intended or will he be stuck with negative vibrations because of the consequence of his acts?

[Korpo]

Good question, I don't know. The consequence of your actions will always be with you. That's karma. What effect your intentions have - no idea.

Given the nature of your question - what are you actually afraid could happen to you? Perhaps it helps if we take it from the abstract to the concrete.

Cheers,
Oliver

[sibouleaux]

Good question, I don't know. The consequence of your actions will always be with you. That's karma. What effect your intentions have - no idea.

Given the nature of your question - what are you actually afraid could happen to you? Perhaps it helps if we take it from the abstract to the concrete.

Cheers,
Oliver

I do not expect nor fear something in perticular at the moment.

Learning is my quest