Any tips for perfecting astral skills?

[defectron]

Well I've managed to reach the record a couple times and sort of got answers to some of my more pressing questions which you can read about here.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21470&p=138620#p138620

For me at least, it doesn't seem to like answering directly and just tosses out hints that lead to answers. Anyway my question now is what to do next. Should I try to get more specific answers to any of these? I have a feeling that probably wouldn't work since it just seems intent on not answering directly. I do have other questions but they aren't as pressing as those were so I've been thinking its time to move on and try some other stuff, since I don't want to be spending all of my astral time in the record.

So decided next I should do two things, one is to try to verify some of this, something I haven't had alot of luck with in the past due to dream elements and just plain forgetting to try. Unfortunately I completely forgot to do that today. And the other is to perfect some skills that will probably be nessecery when I go off to explore other worlds such as changing shapes, teleportation, flight and astral combat.

This morning I projected and decided to try shape changing my astral body again. I have tried this three times in the past and it has always been very difficult, I've never been able to fully change into anything else, I always just go part way and quickly revert to normal once I stop concentrating. Today wasn't any different in that respect. What I did do different was that I tried to extend the time in which I was outside my body. Usually I can only come out for a max of about ten minutes at a time. So what I did was that I found the door anomaly I usually use to go to the record and focused on going to a place where time moves slower then it does here. So I went through it, at first it looked like the bathroom usually represented by the record but then it seemed to change into a chinese restaurant for some reason. After this I decided to practice my shape changing skills, as usual I wasn't able to fully change form and quickly shifted back after trying. One issue I ran into was other people seemed to be present in the chinese restaurant and I wasn't really comfortable changing form in front of them even though they were probably just dream elements. Anyway this projection did seem to last longer then the others, so maybe my idea of going to a place where time moved more slowly worked, as opposed to ten minutes or so I seemed to be out for twenty or so minutes this time. Though it would be nice if I could be out for hours, but this is a good first step I guess.

Anyway for those of you who have had more experience doing things like changing form in the astral and other stuff I'm trying to learn, how exactly did you master doing this?

[defectron]

Ok, well I had two projections yesterday and two today, lots of interesting stuff here. As you'll soon read, I tried doing the card experiment , but I had some problems, any insites into this would be appreciated.

The other day, I projected in the early morning, after doing so I went over to the cabinet where I had put the card and took a look. However the card was not there. I moved on and went to the room with the door anomaly. I had thought of one other question to ask the record, so I decided to give that a go before doing any training. I went over to it and it appeared to be a bedroom under construction. So I asked my question "What is the true motivation behind those responsible for the New world Order plot?". I looked around the room for anything out of the ordinary but saw nothing. It was then my mom appeared and began ranting about some guy named Tony. I don't remember what she said, but she seemed pretty mad at him. Then I got pulled back to my body. At the time I didn't know it, but my mom ranting about Tony was the clue I was supposed to find. Later I did a search for "Tony NWO Reason" and found this video where Tony Blair explains why he thinks globalization is a good idea http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-tony-blai ... iZE%5D.cfm so it would appear its telling me the reasons he states in the video are the ones behind it, in other words the NWO plotters genuinly think their doing the right thing for the world.

After being pulled back I came out again, landed by the side of my bed, I looked to my left and what caught my eye was two spindly grey legs. I looked up to see who the legs belonged to and saw it was a little man, he had a face like a middle aged human man, but had the body of a grey alien. I'm not sure why, but my first reaction was to reach out and grab him by the shoulder. After that the projection ended and I was back in my body.

The way I see it there are a couple possibilities

1. This was really an entity of some sort who came to visit me for unknown reasons.

2. It may have been a dream element in the projection

3. Maybe it was something else

does anyone have an opinion on this odd encounter? Never saw this guy in any of my other projections. If he was an entity, maybe I did something in the first projection that got his attention.


Now today I had two more projections, this time I just practiced my astral skills, I did pretty good at flying, but still have trouble with form changing.

First time I realized I was dreaming, came back and then projected. I checked the card on top of the cabinet I had and found three cards, there was a 7 of hearts, 8 of spades and a 9 of hearts. When I looked at these for too long the numbers began to shift. Later this turned out to be a jack, what may have screwed me up is I had a predisposition in my mind that the card would be a jack so I tried to distance myself from that by thinking about all the other cards. Then I went to the door anomaly in the other room and focused on going somewhere that time moved slower again. When I went this time, the room was decorated very oddly. There were some sort of modern art depictions of tribal warriors on the walls. The reason why I came here this time was that I wanted to practice flying. I found a balcony, but it was blocked off by a windy with plastic panes in it. I smashed through the window and dove off the balcony flying over a rainforest. I came upon some kids who were eating a pumpkin and some other vegetables on one of the ledges and gave them a scare, don’t remember what I did but they freaked out and ran away. Also oddly I think my form may have shifted at some point here while I was flying , because I sort of remember looking like Lum from the anime urusei yatsura at some point during this flight. Not entirely sure why this happened, but I'm a big fan of the show and usually think how nice it would be to be able to fly around like her when I watch it, so maybe thats why? Anyway towards the end I landed by a highway and looked off in the distance to see a magnificent looking creature soaring in the sky, it was a black griffen, it looked just like a real animal, except it was a griffin. It must have been pretty large too by my estimations. At this point I got pulled back. But I knew that I was still in the theta state, so I built up some energy and came out again. Once again I checked for the card, this time there was a full deck of cards where only one should have been. This time I decided to practice form changing again, I went back to the room, focusing on going to a place where time moved more slowly. I went to a similar place to the first projection. When I went in I decided to try form shifting, I tried doing something a bit different, trying to make my energy similar to my impression of the energy of someone else I knew to see if I could use this to make myself look like them. At first it seemed to work pretty good, but it was still incomplete. I decided after that to try something different and try focusing on growing a scorpion tale, but the problem was, I was wearing pants and they were in the way, I could feel the tip kinda poking out, but it couldn’t come out cuz of the pants. This is odd , because I wasn’t wearing any when I went to sleep, I’m guessing maybe this is from the last form change attempt, because I may have also imagined the clothes the person I was trying to shift into was wearing. Form shifting is tricky business, I will sometimes to it accidently, such as in that last projection, but doing it intentionally seems difficult. Before I could do anything else I got called back.

Anyway two big questions, one is do you guys have any idea how I can get the card trcik to work right, I here the astral is influenced by ones mind, I'm guessing this may be the root of my troubles there. Second do you guys think the little man, the griffen and the children were entitys, or were they dream elements or something else?

[sleeper]

your posts here are a joy to read.

i laughed outloud several times because i've had some of the same experiences!

for the card trick:
i recommend looking at the card rather than looking for it. if you look for it, odds are good that you'll create a room that looks like yours with your imagination. so don't look for the room, look at the card. it takes quite a bit of focus though, especially if you're reading or watching videos about the NWO all of the time.

if you're going to shape change, or do anything in the astral, or anything in life for that matter, you've got to be assertive. if you want to grow a scorpion tail, you've got to be ready to shred some denim, ya know? be assertive.

if you see someone in the astral, introduce yourself and ask them what they are doing and who they are, but by all means don't be rude. you're giving us projecters a bad name!

finally, you might want to distinguish between the meaningful content of your astral experiences, and your goals. personally, you want to master astral projection. but your higher self wants you to master yourself. so you see, some of the messages you get in the astral are what's best for you rather than what you think you want. here's an example of what i mean: if you're genuinely interested in the NWO "master plan," then why do the card trick at all? stick to the NWO questions or whatever else is most important to you and pursue that. it's much more interesting and fulfilling to pursue your genuine interests. if you're actually most interested in the card trick, then why do you get sidetracked so often? if you really want to do the card trick more than anything, then you need intense focus on that and that alone.

[defectron]

if you're going to shape change, or do anything in the astral, or anything in life for that matter, you've got to be assertive. if you want to grow a scorpion tail, you've got to be ready to shred some denim, ya know? be assertive.

So maybe I should focus 100% on just form changing before I try to master other astral skills like flight, teleportation, etc

i recommend looking at the card rather than looking for it. if you look for it, odds are good that you'll create a room that looks like yours with your imagination. so

I know where the card is, I put it on top of a cabinet, the problem is that when I try to look at it, something weird always happens. Like there will be more cards then I thought or the card isnt there. This may have been because I was trying hard not to think of jacks because I felt predisposed to thinking the card would be a jack. Turns out it actually was a jack so I may have screwed up there.

stick to the NWO questions or whatever else is most important to you and pursue that. it's much more interesting and fulfilling to pursue your genuine interests. if you're actually most interested in the card trick, then why do you get sidetracked so often? if you really want to do the card trick more than anything, then you need intense focus on that and that alone.

The reason why I do that card trick, is because then I'll have something really solid to verify this when I talk to other people about projecting.

As for the NWO, thats just something I was curious about, if you have access to the record, then why not find the answers to some of the things you want to know? Asking the record questions is also a form of verification when the info turns out to be good. At the moment all of my really pressing questions have been answered, I have other questions but those can wait until later. Though if you want to know what my main goal is, its to master the ability to influence reality with my mind. I don't like being bound by the sort of world that we live in when I know I don't have to be. I did address this in the topic I linked to in my first post where I talked about finding information about shape shifting, in that instance I wasn't referring to astral shape shifting, but doing so in physical reality, which from what I understand is alot more difficult, however some people have reported doing this and it appears it is also an ability weilded with great affect by beings that visit our world from elsewhere. This relates to the holographic universe theory. If you would like to know more about it I would suggest reading these books

http://www.amazon.com/Shapeshifting-Tec ... 159&sr=8-5

http://www.amazon.com/Holographic-Unive ... 244&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/Intention-Experim ... 513&sr=1-1

Anyway, the reason why I'm trying to concentrate on mastering astral skills isn't a side step, this is actually something I regard as a stepping stone, an important key in mastering the ability to influence reality with ones mind I think is seeing aspects of reality that are normally hidden from you, and astral projection is a good first step in doing this. Once I master the basics I do plan to pursue this some more. But before I can properly explore the astral I would like to master how to do things like form change, teleport, fly, etc because not all astral entities are freindly and if I meet any of the bad ones I want to be prepared.
Of course there are other avenues I could and do intend to take in the future when it comes to learning how to influence reality. But right now the most obvious paths are inconvenient for me to take fright now. Currently I dont have enough money to go to south america and try to learn the secrets of the shuar tribe. I also heard of a goetic entity named ose which is supposed to specialise in teaching this sort of ability, but right now it would be inconvenient for me to try to learn how to summon entities given that I don't live alone and I doubt the other people in the house would appreciate me doing odd things like that. Of course there are those leads I got from the record, I intend to pursue those on my day off to see if I can contact any of those people and maybe get some useful information.

[Alienor]

I also heard of a goetic entity named ose which is supposed to specialise in teaching this sort of ability, but right now it would be inconvenient for me to try to learn how to summon entities given that I don't live alone and I doubt the other people in the house would appreciate me doing odd things like that.

If this entity really wants to teach you, then you do not need any complex summoning ritual, but just call it in your mind. Make sure to first protect yourself well, so only entities, which have your highest good in their agenda can show up! When people try to summon helpers or call them like this, all kinds of entities might answer, if one does not have the right set of mind/protection.
And even if this entity wants to teach you, remember, that he most likely will still also have his own agenda - a bit like a human teacher might have.

[defectron]

If this entity really wants to teach you, then you do not need any complex summoning ritual, but just call it in your mind. Make sure to first protect yourself well, so only entities, which have your highest good in their agenda can show up! When people try to summon helpers or call them like this, all kinds of entities might answer, if one does not have the right set of mind/protection.
And even if this entity wants to teach you, remember, that he most likely will still also have his own agenda - a bit like a human teacher might have.

That sounds like a pretty good idea, I think I'll try doing that when I learn how to stay out longer then I currently can. By using the time dilation trick I've been able to stay out twice, maybe three times longer then usual at best, but this is only about half an hour at the most. To learn something like that I think I might need more time then what I currently am able to project. I could be wrong, maybe the explanation is alot simpler then I think but staying out longer is something that could only be beneficial to me even if that is the case.

[Alienor]

It does only need as much time, as it needs to send the intent out - a short thought is all that is needed - so few seconds. But, if you are in a lucid dream, the one you called might not be able to enter - your subconscious/higher self protects you that way.
Yet, you do not need to be in OBE nor lucid dreaming to call helpers and work together with them.

So, yes, it is much more simpler than you think.