SoulSail's 5th Outing (5 is a good number)

**CFTraveler** · 4th March 2012, 03:03 AM

I found a bunch of them (apparently, I was having a lot of the same type from 2006 to 2008, for some reason- haven't in forever). It's not the one I had in mind, but you get an idea of the things you see when you get out that way.
Some of them are kind of dumb, but there are more than I thought, some I didn't even remember, will have to go through my own journal again to see what I used to do and how it's changed.
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...nnel#post68557

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...nnel#post55938

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...nnel#post44165

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...nnel#post16241

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...nnel#post99688

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...rtex#post66605

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sho...rtex#post48920

Sorry about your eyes.

**SoulSail** · 4th March 2012, 03:06 AM

Very cool.

Thank you for taking the time!

Off to read these now.

**Frozen Astral** · 4th March 2012, 05:29 AM

Hey Soul,

Glad to see the technique yielding the same results as it did me. On almost all of my projections where I ended up somewhere other than the RTZ I traveled through the black abyss you mention for some time before reaching the destination. It seems like it is a sort of barrier between others parts of the planes. Fear not just keep flying as fast as you can upwards and you will soon be entering another lovely place as you described.

Lastly something I have noticed about the technique. Since you are bordering so close to sleep when you actually leave your body the amount of time spent out is even more crucial and requires some training, & or pinpoint accuracy. Just a few moments spent out too long and it becomes a dream that you mat not have much recollection of, except for bits and pieces. That has happened to me a couple times and my technique may require a little fine tuning to get the kinks worked out. My last projection I spent so much time out I forgot I was in a projection, it became a non-lucid dream at some point. I am just glad to see that it is working for you though, a week ago you were telling me how hard it was to AP for you. Now look at you having wonderful projections 2 times in a couple days. Good luck in the future.

**SoulSail** · 4th March 2012, 03:14 PM

Agreed on the sleep/timing issue. I suspect this projection wound up in a dream at some point. But getting out, projecting, and enjoying the cavernous pond were much clearer than any dream, this much I recall. More, I recall marveling at how lucid and spectacular everything was even if I didn't capture the exact feeling on waking. I just remember myself stating as much when I was out.

I'm going to shift the experiment up a bit and bump it 3 or 4 a.m. This may help with clarity and recall since we're not going out during the brain's foggy time. We'll see.

Also, I plan on continuing the MAP routine as a matter of practice, but it's clear to me now that I'm simply not ready to project during the day as a result of several factors: one being the required state of relaxation is much more than I supposed from reading MAP. Not that MAP fails here, it's clearly emphasized, but my chiropractor just laughs every time I come in for an adjustment. She assures me my muscles are storing far too much stress (the result of wonky frame). I've had this confirmed by a number of professionals, and can feel it. I just can't get the muscle relaxation during the day no matter how much I try. Might have something to do with my work as well. Hmmmmmm.

Soul

**Frozen Astral** · 5th March 2012, 06:34 AM

Kind of late and got to get up early so not gonna write much, and I'll reply to your message first thing tomorrow. But the only thing I could think about for a day projection for you would be a starting after a mid-day nap if possible. It's funny projecting in the day though. I figured I would be projecting into some well lit place, but that was not the case.

Some times in the middle of the day I projected to somewhere that was as dark as a moonless night. And in the night sometimes I have projected to very bright places. I found that very interesting at the time, I don't think time of day has any effect on the planes.

**SiriusTraveler** · 5th March 2012, 12:14 PM

Hey there!

Glad to hear you are progressing! I get the feeling that it could have been a lucid dream? If not, how do you tell the difference between them (if you'v had a lucid dream)? I'v only ben lucid once last year and when I became lucid it was mostly black and I really could'nt make out any landscape or anything. I just hovered and landed, then i woke up. I wonder if that is the same grey fog i have read that AP'ers can experience in the early stages of OBE experiences.

**Frozen Astral** · 5th March 2012, 06:14 PM

From months of experimenting and experiences I have came to the conclusion Lucid dreaming is Astral Projection. As soon as I turn a dream Lucid it instantly has the same feeling as a conscious projection. Not going to get into the details at the moment, perhaps another time. Got to hit the road.

**CFTraveler** · 5th March 2012, 06:51 PM

Many projectors believe (and I am one of them) that a lucid dream is a projection into the astral planes- that is, when you dream you are in a personal area of the astral that is being shaped by your subconscious mind- the minute you wake up in the dream (aka become lucid) you can them move on to the collective areas.
The main difference between an AP (such as phasing) and a lucid dream is how you 'arrive' at it- in a lucid dream you usually start out there and wake up while in it, and in an AP you start out lucid and then go into the scape, either directly from full waking (such as phasing) or an OBE to the RTZ and then you switch 'locations'.

**SoulSail** · 6th March 2012, 03:04 AM

I'll also throw my 2 cents in here. Even if they are different, what primary objective do they share? How big is the intersection between the AP and WILD or DILD Venn Diagrams?

For me the goal is conscious awareness, free of physical limitations. Whether that can be achieved "out there" and I must access it through a telescope (AP), or "in here" and I must use my microscope (LD), in the end game I have tool look in the mirror at some point in it all and wonder if they guy looking back is has woken up a little regardless of the scope he's been looking through.

Soul

**SiriusTraveler** · 6th March 2012, 07:08 AM

I totally aggree with you guys here. My goal is also conscious awareness. One other question I have is if you were to have a lucid dream and you know you are lucid dreaming but you'd like to get out of the personal area created, as CFT wrote above, how would the transition out of the lucid dream into the astral planes feel/be? Would tehre be any difference in consciosness, like a shift or some kind of click that lets you know that you are no longer in a lucid dream? Or would you just know that you ae no longer in a dream environment?