Creative power and efficieny of OBE's

[Akashic_Librarian]

If we look at what the Etheric Substance is, most people agree it is "Thought Stuff" In other words you can manipulate it with your mind, especially on the Astral Level. So wouldn't that mean that a person who was more naturally creative should have more control over there "Body" and the surroundings than someone who was more of a logical thinker???

[CFTraveler]

It depends. It is my experience that a big chunk of what we create in the astral (and in waking consciousness) is a result of mostly subconscious processes, and that is independent of a person's creativity- the subconscious never stops doing whatever it does. So maybe a creative person has more control of what they create, while an analytic person creates it and then tries to figure out what they created.
Of course, this is all speculation on my part.

[Beekeeper]

Must be the libran in me, Akashic, but I tend to believe in balance: creativity plus logic. I think both probably have their place in both realities.

I question whether they're absolute binaries rather than some type of a continuum of the same thing, in any case.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Well after reading and re-reading AND re-re-reading Astral dynamics and countless case studies it seems to me that a powerfully creative mind should and would have much more control of themselves because of the way the astral body reacts to thought. Whilst and person who is more analytical would perhaps aim for a more "Real-life" way of approaching it. You know. They would walk everywhere, observe and keep themselves firmly rooted to reality....Only my opinion but it is based on alot of case studies and The Almight Robert Bruce himself

[Beekeeper]

What about the one that balances creativity with reason/logic?

[sash]

I'm in agreement with your perspective on this Akashic Librarian, I don't really have enough experience but people who focus heavily on logical rational thinking that I have chatted with generally tend to have a different reaction to OBE than more creative minded people.

Me being more creatively-inclined I can create any environment I want to go to in my mind, however becoming lucid is much harder. Whereas someone who thinks analytically might be more inclined to think in a dream, such as: How come that building is melting... That does not make sense... Oh I'm lucid dreaming and then they become lucid. However here the disadvantage might be not having as much creative freedom to build and mold their own environment as they see fit. This is probably more beneficial in the RTZ though.

Beekeeper, this is surprisingly difficult for me to conceive because in my experience logic and creative energies are completely incompatible (at least not in the same moment). One seems to come first before the other even if both are quite balanced. Even so, with the possible notion that both could be in good balance, I think one would have the best of both worlds (regarding astral projection, and not just that of course).

[Beekeeper]

Whilst and person who is more analytical would perhaps aim for a more "Real-life" way of approaching it. You know. They would walk everywhere, observe and keep themselves firmly rooted to reality

If I were analytical, I would quickly deduce that the rules of the astral were different and I would set about discovering possibilities within these worlds. If I were creative as well, I'd have a lot of fun doing it. I've done a bit of reading too and I've noticed this trend to balance both logic and creativity among astral adepts. They also like doing things that are very logical such as listing the indicators of when separation is happening and trying to identify zones. They creatively theorise on astral laws and beings as well, but their speculation is based on their experiences, the patterns that emerge, their trial and error, etc.

Such balance is conducive to understanding the OB experience and relating it to others, as long as you know when to quieten one aspect (logic or creativity), if this is what is required.

I think the two in balance is characteristic of certain types (not all) of genius. Someone like Leonardo or Einstein, for instance. That is, openness to inspiration and leaps of intuition and creativity as well as the logic/reason to manifest what was inspired in creative terms. But I'm digressing.

Of on holidays for a few days so I'll check this thread when I get back. Interesting stuff though!

[Akashic_Librarian]

I do not personally believe logic is as useful creativity in any circumstance. Thus I don't strive for a balance of the two. I have always had strong creative abilities so I tend to lean towards imagination rather than logically working somthing out. For example I can understand metaphysical concepts more because I can visualize what people are saying, instead of rationalizing it.

Beekeeper I believe logic is only required to manifest something on a very basic level. In my opinion a thoguht is enough to manifest an object when the thought is properly applied in The Correct Way.

Sash - I am glad other people agree with me

[Beekeeper]

You were too quick for me, Akashic. I was having modem problems so I got stuck in the middle of editing my post. So re-read it, okay, because what you read was a post-in-progress.

[Akashic_Librarian]

Ok then, taking into account what you have just re-posted lol I will now explain what I mean I don't mean I completely disregard logic as a factor of existence. To do so would be a foolish mistake at best. I do however downplay its importance in my life. I am very grateful to Robert Bruce and all those who help in mapping out the astral dimensions and discovering the laws. But I think logic should be made a slave to our mind. Thus we only let it out when we have to, make it do what has to be done the nlock it away. Whilst our creative mind runs free.

I think even Robert Bruce prefer creativity to the logcial approach because as I was reading astral Dynamics, the Akashic Pulse section (for the ten millionth time ) I felt a strange tigling I have never felt before. it was like sheer excitment, I am sure it was an empathic connection or perhaps some form Psychometry (Could a psionicly adept person help me on the terminology here please) But it felt more impassioned than the other sections which are logic and structured sections. This section (on creating the sword and armour from your thoughts) felt free and empowered. Its hard to describe really.

But anyway I can't wait for someone else to post a reply to this, I love good conversations like this!