COPY: "we are all one" question

[CFTraveler]

It's the inevitable conclusion to this type of understanding. If you ever read the 'not for sissies' thread you see what happens to us who get to this point. Luckily we do get over it, sometimes.

[Sahasraraawaken]

If this is the case I'm quite pissed because now I feel like everything is a big waste of time. I have skimmed that thread but one thing is apparent. I don't think anyknows. Every topic I read people have different perspectives. I even had one person tell me to go with Jesus Christ or I'm toast. Which again makes so sense. Why would I turn to Christ if I am Jesus to begin with. I don't do religion anyway.. but I'm not sure anybody knowste exact answer.

[John Sorensen]

If this is the case I'm quite pissed because now I feel like everything is a big waste of time. I have skimmed that thread but one thing is apparent. I don't think anyknows. Every topic I read people have different perspectives. I even had one person tell me to go with Jesus Christ or I'm toast. Which again makes so sense. Why would I turn to Christ if I am Jesus to begin with. I don't do religion anyway.. but I'm not sure anybody knowste exact answer.

Hmmm, "enlightenment" is a ridiculous idea that people like to hang all sorts of beliefs on, like a demented christmas tree with bits of every religion randomly stuck to it with sticky tape and pieces of string and then rolled in a steaming pile of ♥♥♥♥ and displayed as though it were a national treasure while others (who likely want to kill you) argue that it is "performance art"

Time saving tips:

1.Think for yourself
2. "?" Everything
3. Accept "what is", - that is flow with life, rather than resist life.
4. Trust yourself, your own inner knowing and feelings over any external authority, religion, philosophy, or advice giving forum busybody (that's me).
5. Take a rest and have fun.
6. Go to work and have fun.
7. Aim to consciously understand as much of life and the universe as is possible in one lifetime, while acknowledging there is always "more to learn and experience", but none of it is essential.
8. Remember to live life with passion and joy and don't get lost in metaphysical mumbo jumbo. If something serves you, great, if not - do something else that you enjoy and don't waste precious moments of your life on activities that just make you frustrated.

[Sahasraraawaken]

IA- thank you for the kind words buddy.

Here is my problem with all of this mumbo. First of all... I have astral projected over 200 times and raised my kundalini and I have never seen this once what CFT and butterfly is implying. Even though that means nothing. I have the same view on enlightenment. That word is way too loaded for me. I don't have the answers I just have my experiences. Thank you both and everyone else for replying here. It really is mind boggling huh? Butterfly I am sorry about my phone there... It was struggling! lol

Here's the deal... This place is not my cup of tea. Earth. I don't like it. I have problems here. This place is a big POS. I am sorry if that was harsh but I have been places that blow this place out of the water. Love the nature here... but the other part is not for me. If "nothing exists" and it gets as deep as you explained it CFT, and nothing really matters.... what's the problem with blowing my head off to stop this "nothingness thats happening and doesn't even matter" no evolution... nothing. Why sit here on earth and watch people kill themselves, watch the society collapse, deal with the fluoride (that doesn't even exist in the first place) and all the other crappy things this place has? Wouldn't be easier to just go oh okay... this place sucks... (This "book" sucks) I am done reading now... and I am going to go kill myself now. But then you get people saying noooo dont do that! Why? If everything doesn't exist and this is all me what is the problem?

Butterfly you mention "thats the game" well i got to tell you. That's the stupidest game I have ever played.

I read Roberts ebook on evolution and it helped me out a lot. It makes more sense to me I think. I can click with it more. I am going to go off of that for now and wait for his reply. I know even Robert doesn't know with 100% certainty but it will be interesting to hear his input.

PS... I am not dissing anybodies opinions. This is good and thank you all for the replies. I skimmed the "not for sissies" thread and that is just not for me. I can't relate to any of it and my intuition says it's loaded with material that doesn't serve me. So I clicked out of it.

[ButterflyWoman]

This place is not my cup of tea. Earth. I don't like it. I have problems here. This place is a big POS. I am sorry if that was harsh but I have been places that blow this place out of the water. Love the nature here... but the other part is not for me.

I know exactly, EXACTLY what you're talking about. I've never been a fan of being here, either, frankly. I won't go into all of it, but I had a wretchedly unhappy childhood which primed me to have a difficult, painful, and unhappy adulthood, and the world pretty much always sucked as far as I was concerned. I know exactly what you mean.

If "nothing exists" and it gets as deep as you explained it CFT, and nothing really matters....

The notion that nothing matters is actually a kind of freedom, once fully experienced and realised. You can be and do what you choose, not just what you believe you must be, or believe is the right thing to be, etc.

Why sit here on earth and watch people kill themselves, watch the society collapse, deal with the fluoride (that doesn't even exist in the first place) and all the other crappy things this place has? Wouldn't be easier to just go oh okay... this place sucks... (This "book" sucks) I am done reading now... and I am going to go kill myself now. But then you get people saying noooo dont do that! Why? If everything doesn't exist and this is all me what is the problem?

Well.... yes. I went through that. For a long, long time. Eventually I got to where I understood that "meaning" is all arbitrary. We create it. We give meaning to things. We look at the zeroes and ones and we see patterns and stories and evil and good and right and wrong and on and on and on.

I feel for you in this struggle. Existential angst can be excruciatingly painful. It can look like (and feel like) depression, and that always sucks (spent a lot of my life in clinical depression, just for the record, so I know).

Butterfly you mention "thats the game" well i got to tell you. That's the stupidest game I have ever played.

It's not your game. There's that I-me-mine again. You're not the player. You're the game character. Well... you ARE the player. But the I-me-mine part (which is the part having a hard time with this) is the character, and it's not happy with that thought.

I am not dissing anybodies opinions.

It's not my opinion. It's my direct experience of reality. Slightly different concept. But it's okay if you think it's mumbo jumbo. As I said, it really is something that must be experienced to be understood, and the adjustment to the different perspective is not (usually) immediate.

As Jed McKenna says, there is nothing people hate more than having their reality messed with. And the question you're asking are definitely messing with your reality.

[John Sorensen]

It's the inevitable conclusion to this type of understanding. If you ever read the 'not for sissies' thread you see what happens to us who get to this point. Luckily we do get over it, sometimes.

There are currently 66 pages in that thread, can you please be more specific on what you are referencing CFT?

[IA56]

Hi again Sahararaawaken,

I think I know where you are now, the feeling you have I was in 1981 after the bad beating up of me and my son happened...I was total destroyed and my son too....and Sweden did celebrate the Song Contest what was happeing, and no-one did know I was destroyed, and they who did know did not care....so the question arises in me...what horrible has happened to you that has given you the hars reality check?? and I remember how I felt when this happened to me...I was also thinking...what is the point...and I was sure I will never feel any joy ever....and just in that period of time I was sure there was no point going on living when so little mattered....but I had my son to take care of and was not able to give in so to speak....and wow...I am happy that all has changed and withened and deepened and now I see and specially after the dividerline experience I see the big picture...and it is magnific and so wonderful to know...that from the perspective of the ONE and the real reality...even I...whom seam to be worthless in so manys eyes ...I am presious from the perspective of the existence...I did survive and get to both see and feel the deep meaning of life.....it is awesom!!

I send all love and I say...you are perfect and loved every bit and piece in you...and you matter...you are presious.

Love
ia

[CFTraveler]

@John Sorensen:
I can't point you at any part of the thread, because it describes the thought process of someone who is going through an awakening. You either identify with it or not, and that's ok too- it is what it is.
As for enlightening, it is a misused word that makes people's ego twinkle; it sounds 'becoming wise' or some nonsense like that, but it only means they're realizing something they knew all along- and like being 'shone on', it's not something they do, but rather something that happens to them. Too bad it sounds like something you want.

[IA56]

Hi again Sahasraawaken.
You say you raised kundalini, but can´t it have something to do with that you feel this upset as you do??
Yes, it will be very interesting hear what RB will reply to you
Maybe you should do the chakra screaming what was decribed here before, I do not remember who it was, but that might give you some release of your frustration.
I would tell you a funny story but I am so crappy teller but a good laugh would be good for you

Okay, stay cool

Love
ia

[CFTraveler]

If "nothing exists" and it gets as deep as you explained it CFT, and nothing really matters....

Whoa Nelly! This reminds me of Nietzcheians who say nothing matters and God is dead- that is not what I said. I said 'it's not real' and 'it's not really reality from the point of view of eternity. It is not the same thing, and I want to make clear what I'm trying to say- to you, Sara, it's happening- but from the point of view of your 'eternal' you, the you that had no beginning and has no end it is not reality, it is essentially a mental exercise. This doesn't mean there is no evolution, and it doesn't mean it's not happening to you. It just means it's only happening to your physical point of view. This right now may seem like the same thing but it is not, and while you continue to be disappointed (or whatever, enchanted works for this too) in physical reality, it will continue to feel like this is what reality is. I'm not trying to convince you of this view, I'm just clearing up what I said, because eventually it'll come back to bite me when I tell someone else something like "real and actual are not the same" or "just because it's happening doesn't make it not real" or some other thing- I know what I mean when I say it but I realize not everyone else does. Which is kind of funny, really.

what's the problem with blowing my head off to stop this "nothingness thats happening and doesn't even matter"

Well, since your Higher Self decided to come here at this point in time and have this (probably annoying) conversation I have to say that it would be not to your best interest. I know that it sounds fatalistic but it's what I think. And deep down you know it too.

no evolution... nothing. Why sit here on earth and watch people kill themselves, watch the society collapse, deal with the fluoride (that doesn't even exist in the first place) and all the other crappy things this place has?

Let me put it another way- there is evolution in the physical and psychological sense, this is and has been observed to happen- but the soul, the most essential ('eternal', I keep using the word instead of immortal, which is the one most religions use, and I do for a reason) you, eternal doesn't evolve, it already is. Now the trick is, to match the physical (if you decide to) the eternal, and that is the other side of the coin you haven't gotten to.
I know I should keep this to myself, but I for some reason am driven to participate in this thread, not sure why, I usually don't.
Maybe I should stop and walk away.