David Icke

[Shanunski]

I have a question and hope some of you may have some experience to offer. Is anyone familiar with the David Icke materials? Reptilian Agenda, etc....
What is the general take on this guy? Is it just me, or does he really just seem to attack, though subtly, the reality of God and the love of God's creation? How can it all be fear based and love based at the same time? I got the impression that he speaks so realistically of Reptillians, but works hard to discredit any sort of counter force. Any opinions would be welcome and appreciated.

[Lordofthebunnies]

IMO, some of these conspiracy theories people like David Icke formulate make for interesting (if not downright amusing) reading, but I take it all with an EXTREME grain of salt. I think that alot of it is pure paranoid nonsense, mixed with tiny kernels of truth obscured by the tendency for contact with the astral realm to be very subjective and symbolic.

I mean, come on, shape-shifting reptilians ruling the world? While I am of the view that all things are possible, that doesn't mean some things aren't VERY, VERY improbable.

It might be possible that there are secret groups who have a certain measure of control, but I'm 99% certain its nothing even approaching absolute control. The world is just to complex for things to work that way. Most likely, said secret groups via for a more subtle form of control that allows them to ride along the waves of history, taking what they need to stay afoot. If their work was anywhere near as overt as some conspiracy theorists seem to think, they would most likely be discovered and destroyed.

[Pilar]

I read Icke. I always enjoy a brain-tangle, so I'll read stuff like this to stretch out and imagine the possibility of his reality being true.

Is it?

Who knows. I always come back to--what do I have to do today and how can I be the least harmful as possible to myself and others on a moment-to-moment basis. 'Reptilians ruling the world' on my mind all day won't get me through my personal duties and issues, you know?

I'm with 'lords of the bunnies' on this one.

I did sort of fit Icke's profile for a reptile, though!
Since reading it, I've gone vegetarian and tried to mediate my emotionless thinking with more touchy-feelyiness

[Wolf_Thor]

I don't know about much else, but I definately believe that a shadow government exists. I've heard stories from too many sources, not just Icke.

[Shanunski]

Right. You see, what he has said, much of it goes right along with some dreams I have had, big dreams that have come to pass. I came across his work just as I was getting all tagled up with what you might call a dark spirit. A woman whos web I got caught horrobly up in. It nearly destroyed me and I am still recovering, though I still dont even really understand what the F%*#k happened. But the reptillian stuff got all tangled up in it with me. Unless, perhaps, she was one of them. There were signs. And though I was with her for 9 months, she seemed to have some serious control over my emotions right from the start, and I really just thought it was all "meant to be", my "soul mate". It was that intense. It was bizarre, the strange coincidences. At the end, while I was discovering all of this information about the Lizzies, she had some sort of little incident. She was on Lortabs, and laying on her couch, and she said her eyes were closed and she started having these little glimpses of visions. She said she felt her eyes close sideways, like a lizzie. Felt these feelings like that. I had had a dream where I saw this shadow lure her upstairs then enter her body and lodge itself beside her heart. Then she started walking towards me to embrace me with this thing inside of her. I was too protective of her to just get the f out. There was this sort of thing she did in the end where she knew what I was talking about when I was miles away. 50 miles away. I was talking to a guy at work about her and how I had gone thousands of dollars into debt since I got with her, trying to take care of her, waiting for her to get her strength back as her ex husband had suddenly died of a heart attack 3 years before at 43. In any case, she just "happened" totext message me at that moment with a simple message. "Just tell me how much I owe you." Not only did she know what I was talking about, but she also managed to make me feel guilty about it. There were other such coincidences. So you see, I am trying to understand if his books maybe just somehow screwed my thinking up, or if I just happened to encounter one, actually two. Whatever the case, I feel pretty screwed. Wish like hell I could just go back in time and walk the other way. By the way, if anyone here is really experienced in this astral traveling thing, I could use some help. Wish Mr. Bruce lived a little closer to oklahoma, because unfortunately most people seem to be more interested in looking like they know what the hell their doing than actually doing something. Anybody with any ideas? Know anyone near oklahoma with the kind of experience to help? Know how to speak with spirit guides and obtain answeres from the other side?

[enoch]

Icke once believed he was jesus ( this claim was made during his breakdown and subsequently he was paraded around in the tabloid (on live tv) as some lunatic. It was all very grotesquely carnivalesque. Poor guy. His books are widely ridiculed in the Uk and I must admit, I have picked one of the libarary shelf few times recently and then replaced it in fear of not bein able to pass to the librarian without feeling a complete wazzock. I've never read anything by icke. I don't tend to..unless my curiosity gets the better of me. Bless his cotton socks. Sometimes the lunatic fringe may have comething of real importance that they're trying to profess, but once that social label is etched on him then it's very difficult to erase it from one's mind.

[sash]

LOL If I walked out of a book store or library thinking what people would think of the books I chose I don't think I would read anything. I think I've gotten over that a while ago.

I enjoyed reading David Icke's books a few years back. They are quite good for spiritual investigation, although they hone in on a lot of areas and some of it is just not useful for me, while other stuff is of v. high value. I don't think something like "Children Of The Matrix" by Icke is the kind of book I could just afford to skip over in any serious spiritual journey.

[enoch]

I can see where you're coming from but with Icke's stuff I just get that humiliated feeling, like I'm a ten year old boy trying to buy a porno mag.

[Pilar]

Right. You see, what he has said, much of it goes right along with some dreams I have had, big dreams that have come to pass. I came across his work just as I was getting all tagled up with what you might call a dark spirit. A woman whos web I got caught horrobly up in. It nearly destroyed me and I am still recovering, though I still dont even really understand what the F%*#k happened. But the reptillian stuff got all tangled up in it with me. Unless, perhaps, she was one of them. There were signs. And though I was with her for 9 months, she seemed to have some serious control over my emotions right from the start, and I really just thought it was all "meant to be", my "soul mate". It was that intense. It was bizarre, the strange coincidences. At the end, while I was discovering all of this information about the Lizzies, she had some sort of little incident. She was on Lortabs, and laying on her couch, and she said her eyes were closed and she started having these little glimpses of visions. She said she felt her eyes close sideways, like a lizzie. Felt these feelings like that. I had had a dream where I saw this shadow lure her upstairs then enter her body and lodge itself beside her heart. Then she started walking towards me to embrace me with this thing inside of her. I was too protective of her to just get the f out. There was this sort of thing she did in the end where she knew what I was talking about when I was miles away. 50 miles away. I was talking to a guy at work about her and how I had gone thousands of dollars into debt since I got with her, trying to take care of her, waiting for her to get her strength back as her ex husband had suddenly died of a heart attack 3 years before at 43. In any case, she just "happened" totext message me at that moment with a simple message. "Just tell me how much I owe you." Not only did she know what I was talking about, but she also managed to make me feel guilty about it. There were other such coincidences. So you see, I am trying to understand if his books maybe just somehow screwed my thinking up, or if I just happened to encounter one, actually two. Whatever the case, I feel pretty screwed. Wish like hell I could just go back in time and walk the other way. By the way, if anyone here is really experienced in this astral traveling thing, I could use some help. Wish Mr. Bruce lived a little closer to oklahoma, because unfortunately most people seem to be more interested in looking like they know what the hell their doing than actually doing something. Anybody with any ideas? Know anyone near oklahoma with the kind of experience to help? Know how to speak with spirit guides and obtain answeres from the other side?

It sounds like you might need a break from interacting with 'the other side'. Do you know what I mean? This woman you are speaking of, and the Icke information about a race of lizards posing as people...it sounds like you are feeling fear. Fear is the opposite of light. If you want to move toward Light in your life, then you need to move away from things that are filling you with fear. Indulging in fear causes alot of inner instability. As you say, you are 'feeling screwed'. Why not take a moment and step back from your current situation and the things you are engaged with, and take a breath. Look again at your situation, and identify anything that brings you feelings of peace, stability and well-being. Move toward those things.

[Shanunski]

Good advice, Pilar. That is just what I did 4 months ago. The problem is that the dreams, the debt I accrued carrying her for 9 months, believing she was "the one", and that she was sincere, instead of only a mirror that shows what one wants to see while robbing them, and the constant attacks, the psychic drain, the scars of a soul bombed into shock and devastated. Not being able to work for the fear and agony that racked my consciousness. Then the waves of negativity and pain that hit me when I try to exercise or take other steps that might give me some sense of peace again. Then the anger and hatred for all of these things being layed upon me by one I sacrificed myself so willingly to help even when I wanted to walk away and just enjoy my own life. All of these things remained. Dramatic though it may sound, this was only the tip of the iceburg. Trust me, I would love to just forget it all. The problem is that I dont even understand what the hell happened. But still, things arent as bad as they were for the first month or two. Perhaps someday soon I will be able to follow your suggestion. After all, it is my desire to just be able to live my life in peace. At least long enough to get strong again. But you named it correctly. I have not been one to live in fear. I have always challenged those around me when they began to judge or attack those who were at their mercy on some level. Even when I knew there would be repurcussions. But never have I felt a fear and helplessness as I have in the last months. And it fills me with anger. One should not be haunted like this. Not for wanting to love someone. It is very rude. I know of no other word that fits. Thankyou for your advice however. I already got rid of his books. Just trying to put the pieces back together.