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    Projection before energy work is complete.

    I was reading in Astral dynamics where Bruce was saying that you should never bypass the NEW system before going on to more advanced energy work. The question I have is, what if you sometimes I do project during the night and are fully conscious of it even though I haven't finished the NEW system yet?
    Also, another question that is driving me crazy............Once in a while I'll tell myself a couple of times during the day that I will project during the night or sometimes I will ask my spirit guide to help me project. It always works the first time if its been quite sometime since the last projection but never more than one time in a row. Any suggestion or comments?

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    Re: Projection before energy work is complete.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aspirant
    I was reading in Astral dynamics where Bruce was saying that you should never bypass the NEW system before going on to more advanced energy work. The question I have is, what if you sometimes I do project during the night and are fully conscious of it even though I haven't finished the NEW system yet?
    There's nothing wrong in projecting before you get to the projecting part. (I did too, but I'm a spontaneous projector, as are you, probably). what he's trying to avoid is for people to jump to the projection part without having done all the preliminary exercises, since they are there for a reason, and not only do they 'prime' the aspiring projector, but it serves as a platform for the future when problems arise. It's good to have a 'repertoire' of Plan Bs when 'the usual' doesn't work. Doing things in order help with that.
    Also, another question that is driving me crazy............Once in a while I'll tell myself a couple of times during the day that I will project during the night or sometimes I will ask my spirit guide to help me project. It always works the first time if its been quite sometime since the last projection but never more than one time in a row. Any suggestion or comments?
    Suggestions to make it work more than once in a row? None. Comment? It's possible that your guide or higher self knows better, and projecting consciously too often may deplete you, so it may be a matter of letting the batteries 'charge up.'
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    Yea, I was thinking the same thing about the depleted energy. Thanks.

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    The first time I tried phasing, I saw a blue tunnel and got startled. I tried to make the tunnel appear many times after that, doing the exact same thing I had done the first time, but to no avail.

    I once used the rope technique while relaxed but still fully awake, and suddenly felt the rope in my "fake hands" pulling me upwards. I got startled and snapped back. Never again was I able to produce effects with the rope without being in sleep paralysis.

    I once imagined myself on a rocking chair, and suddenly felt this overwhelming force pulling me forward. I got startled, snapped back, and was never able to do it again.

    I once imagined that I was jumping out of a window and doing this simple visualization brought on loud sounds of broken glass and electric sparks with vibrations... And you guessed it, that's the only time I got this kind of result doing this.

    I don't know why things work once but not twice... And I've seen other people report it as well (especially getting a spontaneous OBE when they finally give up on techniques)... I guess since they're so unexpected at the time, our conscious expectations when we try it again destroy our ability to enter trance?

    The one thing that is systematic is "rythm napping" ; to deliberately switch between awake and asleep to muscle your ability to trance. Once you can "go deep" easily, results are much more consistent.

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    The systematic napping is something I've sort of tried before. I would actually wake up during the night after a few hours of sleep for a few minutes and then fall back asleep with the intention of projecting. This way seemed to have more consistent results than any other I've tried.

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    I don't do energy work, and I've never experienced energy depletion. Um, all I have is an uncanny memory and some lateral thinking, and that seems to do it for me. Is "energy" here supposed to mean something? I feel as though I've missed something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEP2plet
    I don't do energy work, and I've never experienced energy depletion. Um, all I have is an uncanny memory and some lateral thinking, and that seems to do it for me. Is "energy" here supposed to mean something? I feel as though I've missed something.
    In this case, 'energy' is a term used to mean the ability to produce or channel into an energy body, as RB describes in his astral projection works. It is (IMO) the same as the 'usual' term for energy in physics (the ability to do work) but the 'work' here is specialized, as in, creating an energy body and being able to maintain coherence and lucidity in the experience, or, (depending on your belief system) the ability to maintain focus of the awareness of the experience.
    All these terms are theoretical, but for me, doing NEW has made a humongous difference in the frequency and degree of control on my experiences.
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    So, it's sort of like how we say "power" for the flow of electricity in our computers?

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    Well, I find that comparing energy to electricity is a bad comparison... I'd say one type of energy is similar to electricity or electromagnetic forces -- that would be the energy involved in telekinesis, levitation, "pyrokinesis" or whatever you call that thing where you light stuff on fire with your mind...

    But the energy we manipulate in energy work is usually "thought stuff" -- in qi gong, you heal by sending "good vibes," and you destroy by turning the attacker's "bad vibes" against himself.

    I remember reading something in Leadbeater's works... There's 3 types of energy according to him: "Aether" which is the power of infinity, it's something about how the vacuum between two atoms has an infinite size, and you pull energy from that infinite supply of "existence-stuff". Then there's "Prana" or "Chi," the life force, which is what animates us, it relates to our thought processes and our willpower. All living beings have it, and eating live foods (like fruit and vegetables) replenishes this prana. Then there's Kundalini, which we talk about often, yet another type of energy which plays another role. These 3 energies can never be converted from one type to the other, but they can be mixed to produce certain effects.

    There's all the things about electric/magnetic, male/female, sun/moon, earth, wind, fire, water, etc... Those are many facets of energy, different "personalities" and "characteristics" that we program energy with.

    So as you can see, it's very different from something as "simple" as electricity -- it is a "smart" system, energy is very much alive, energy is consciousness.

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    I was just making, um, a simple comparison, yes.

    Of course, when we say "power" for the electricity going into our computers we don't really mean, say, power, or influence or control over people or things (although electrical "power" would be one specific use of that word). So, I mean, if we want to be general when we're talking about energy, then why don't we just say energy means "change" of any kind or form.

    What I'm wondering is if I don't do any energy work, then how am I still successful in OBEs? Maybe I do it and I don't even realize I'm doing it? That could be a possibility. I mean, I didn't exactly learn how to project, I just sort of did it. Kind of like learning how to walk or ride a bicycle.

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