Death?

[Mekiel]

If you present these views to someone who is not ready to recieve such wisdom, they will not understand it. Where we percieve reality, someone else will se psychosis. The knowledge of life after death has been known to be real for thousands of years. And there have been manuscripts, and texts that describe this to very fine detail. But presenting this material to the masses would not do one bit of difference. Because to understand this sort of wisdom one needs to be ready for it, ready to accept it.

When I had my first spontaneous astral projection it changed my whole perception of life. I used to be a disbeliever. But when you have seen the other side there is no turning back he he.

When you are ready the knowledge will come to you. That is why you are reading this right now.

At least that is how I percieve it.

Mekiel

[Blue Mage]

The first time I had an OBE on purpose, it was an experience that was a turning point in my life. I set up an experiment to look at something out of body and then validated what I saw, making me realize that at least some of what mystics say is true. Besides that, it gave me this incredible feeling of elevation, from then I have not been in the slightest afraid of death. I wasn't particularly afraid of death to begin with, but after that experience I just felt like, I can't wait until I die! Not in an urgent way like wanting to kill myself, just feeling like it'll be fun when I get there some day, and that it is so silly that I did ever feel uneasy about death. I don't want to leave my loved ones behind soon, but other than that, I look forward to experiencing the after life. This is even though I don't know much about the afterlife besides what other people claim; During that short OBE, I do not remember communicating with anyone or anything, but nevertheless, I got the message loud and clear that death is nothing to be afraid of.

It's very natural to ask, if there is so much to see and experience, why is it not taught in school or in the media? Sorry, but the truth is, in all sorts of subjects, conventional wisdom is just plain wrong or incomplete. Information is spread to the general public mostly by organizations with agendas of money and power, not people trying to inform you out of the goodness of their hearts. If a person really wants the truth, they must question authority. Doctors give bad advice, and are ignorant of so many useful things that are "alternative medicine", the news media is controlled by special interests, making society focus on certain issues and ignore others. History books are full of agendas, trying to make certain countries look good or bad. Don't let it get you down, but the truth is that much what society tells us to think is mired in utter bullcrap, even the stuff that is supposed to be science or "common sense". Sometimes the "crackpots" that are made out ot be extremists or crazy are right. Society always look back to how people used think and say, "oh we were so dumb back then but now we know everything!" I don't think it will be different 100 years from now.

Society teaches us that spirituality is all about blind faith, even many religious people won't disagree with that. But the truth is that there are sooo many things to see and experience for yourself. Everyday people talk to god, and have other contact and experiences that is derided as psychosis by skeptics. But these are regular, sane people, so assuming that is not a reasonable thing to do.

There is this false dichotomy between science and spirituality, but to me anyway, they are basically the same thing: they are both about trying to learn the truth. There is also a false dichotomy between faith and reason, but they are two ends of the same tool. Faith is not about believing things just because an old book says so, (or it shouldn't be), it should be about having a state of mind that allows wisdom to flow in, having the will and courage to think for yourself, to not be swayed by ignorance even though it is all around us, and reason is about extrapolating from the wisdom we recieve from faith. For example, most people take it for granted, but it is merely faith that when we see something with our eyes we know it is real.

I don't claim to be an expert, this is all just my opinion: but I think good advice for you is have faith that your fears are unfounded. Every time you feel that fear or have thoughts about it, don't take it seriously. Just think, "Whoops, I forgot there is nothing to be afraid of. Silly me!" You don't have to spend a lot of time meditating and trying to AP. Everyday when you are sitting around doing nothing, standing in line, driving to work, falling asleep, wonder about the truth. Strive and lust after it and wisdom can come to you anytime, anyplace. There is so much wisdom to be gotten from your own brain, all you have to do is want is enough. Divine inspiration and messages aren't just for special chosen people, they are for anyone who sincerely wants it.

I dunno, but it seems like in the beginning many seekers get freebies just to get the ball rolling on their path. Like I can't OBE on purpose, I've only had 4 experiences in my whole life that I can remember. But that first time it happened it was only my second try or so. I just took a nap in the middle of the day with the intent of OBEing, and it happened, maybe that could work for you too. Try to experiment with different things, like trying to see auras, or dowsing, something that can be experienced by you, or validated scientifically. That will build your faith, changing your mindset, and making you more open to more wisdom.

There's lots of books out there but personally, I haven't found them nearly as useful as the wisdom that I just "received" while half asleep or even drugged up (but just say no to drugs!). People who write books sometimes have agendas too, they write what readers want to hear so they can sell more books: political correctness, downplaying or avoiding ideas that make people feel bad, dumbing-down nuanced ideas... Or they are limited by their biases and prejudices. Different people disagree, so most likely some of what they are saying is not true. To me, books have been useful for making me realize that not everyone thinks the same thing.

Here is a great article about questioning conventional wisdom:
http://www.mercola.com/2001/aug/15/perception.htm

Once you truly realize that ideas that get the most recognition are often not truth, the world is so much more illuminated. On television or something when there is a real psychic or someone with special powers or proof of anything supernatural they instantly have reporters knocking down their door and scientists wanting to kidnap them and put wires into their brain, but that's not how the world works! A UFO could land on the white house lawn and it would NOT make the headlines.

You say this proves life after death, a question that has been "unanswered", but that is just an assumption you've made, something society has told you to believe. As long as there has been humanity, for many people there has been no unanswered question of whether there is life after death. It's just that modern society today dismisses a great deal of wisdom from the past and present. You have to question your assumptions.

People across time have believed in the afterlife, much of what unrelated cultures say overlaps, so I assume there is one. Even if death means oblivion, obviously you would not be stuck in darkness since there would be no "you" to experience that anyway. So even if there is no afterlife, that means no suffering so you shouldn't be afraid of it anyway!

[TWISTEDII]

great post Blue Mage! just one question for you though. you say "I set up an experiment to look at something out of body and then validated what I saw, making me realize that at least some of what mystics say is true."

well, how exactly did you do this? like, i'm picturing you throwing something on the floor with your eyes closed, like a few stones, then seeing how they landed during your OBE and then validating it when you checked for yourself. are you talking about doing something like this, or am i way off? lol.

[Blue Mage]

Just use a deck of playing cards. Shuffle and pick one or more out to view.

[Astral_Ace]

Hi everyone. I'm very new to all of this, but, am hoping I can have a fear of mine relaxed with knowlege. I have a terrible fear of death. The thought of dying puts me into panic attacks. It has lead me to become a hypochondriac. I cannot rest with this on my mind. I'm terrified that death is the end, and I will just, not exsist, be in black. Its horrifying for me. I was wondering what everyones views on death are here, and, if anyone has any experiences, thoughts, views, anything to help me understand death, and believe that life, wether in spirit form or energy or whatever, goes on after I die. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help me out.

I understand where you're coming from. 2 years ago during summer break I came to grips with what I "preceived" as my mortality. Even thinking about it made my sick to my stomach but after 2 months of non-stop comtemplation I got over my fear of death and it no longer bothered me. Of course, for me atleast I always accepted the possibility of a state other then complete nothingness after death, curiously this set me on a path of discovery.


If the other posted replies didn't give you a answer consider finding an anwser within yourself or atleast overcome your fear, trust me it will be great to no longer have that sickening deep in the pit of your stomach feeling when something reminds you of mortality (physical atleast).


-Astral_Ace

[blacktiger057]

Don't be scared. Death isn't the end. Without death, there would be no life. Death is what forces us to live. In a way, we need death to live. If you have read Astral Dynamics, then near the end you will see the higher planes where people move on. Robert says it is a very happy place. I've only been to these higher planes once, and I was filled with so much love when I visited that I nearly cried when I found myself back in my body. :cry: So don't be scared. Death is just the next great adventure.

[CANNIBALEX]

I'm terrified that death is the end, and I will just, not exsist, be in black.

I don't think death is the end. I think Out of body experiences prove that. I cannot imagine there being NOTHING at all after life.

I am pretty certain death is not the end, It is a Middle

[Blade-X]

This... is what made me get over the fear.

If there really is nothing... give existence an infinite amount of time, and whatever random processes created us to exist in the first place - the chance of this happening again is 1/1. And the time this will feel like to us? Absolutely nothing.

So don't worry too much, you'll get a much needed break if this is the case. You will get to experience true peace.