This is a relatively lengthy post.

I am 22 years old.
I have had around 5 obes since 2003.

A few nights ago, I met an interesting individual who claimed to be extremely proficient and knowledgable in the nature of the astral planes/realms.

He made some seemingly outrageous claims, and I found many inconsistencies in his ways of thinking and his logic/philosophy.

While many things he said held value, such as the agreed nature/principles of the mind/realms/etc (realms are made of collective thought, thought is power, etc.)....he said some things that I feel need validation by more scientific and clear headed peers.

For example; I described a realm I visited to him, and he immediately said it was a realm called "flip world". This struck me as strange, knowing that...with pretty strong belief...that there are infinite realms....and for me to just describe the entities and surroundings there...he would just know...it is too weird. He also claimed this "flip world" had laws that everything was opposite, so if someone said something nice, it was really mean. I didn't seem to pick up on this. Anyone have an opinion on this??

He also said the names of realms are given to him as he enters these realms....

He also says there are "elders", and that he has been asked to become an elder, but to do so, he must give up everyone's previous knowledge of him, his body, etc.....He doesn't want to do this....these elders are like the ultimate end, in a sense, to him. He feels he has reached one of the highest points in existence. He describes these elders as having emotions somewhat, and being fickle....not directly, but that is what I picked up. How can these elders be so high if that is what they deal with??


This man is 30 years old. He looks young. He was raped as a child at the age of 10 and then left to die, as he says, hanging in a pillowcase. He says this is when he first experienced OBE states...it was so traumatic he just accidentally left his body. He was once an alcoholic. From what I know, he doesn't have any sort of education beyond high school. He works at a waffle house.

He gave me advice, saying ego is bad, zen stuff, etc.....then says he has this "playful self" that goes against all these principles he just told me....in the end of his lecture, he says "its your choice".

I believe him to a degree about the realms, but not much. Any opinions are greatly appreciated.

I realize this may be a bit difficult to absorb...please ask questions, good discussions will come of this!