Comments on excersises based on NEW and MBA

[ShatteredSoul]

thank you cft for that addition. perhaps i should have phrased it differently. I prefer a light to medium and I believe that it makes the matter of recall much easier. so I was just putting that idea on the table

[CFTraveler]

You're probably very good at it.

[ShatteredSoul]

edit: Id like to just add this exerp from a some writing I did earlier just to clarify my reasoning:

A light/medium trance is best for the previously mention recall and to avoid body disassociation. As you get deeper and deeper into a trance you begin to disassociated more with the feelings of your body. An example of this is that when I start getting really deep in a trance my hands begin to feel like nondescript lumps of fuzz. I cannot tell which way they are lying, palm up or palm down. This clearly can be quite a problem when trying to create a double of yourself as the sensations of what are happening in your energetic body can become muddled in this deep level of trance due to an inability to direct awareness appropriately through a body part which you now have difficulty feeling. I like to get to a level of trance where my breathing is nice and deep and my hands and feet are starting to feel a little warm and fuzzy but are still distinct and I can still isolate the sensations of individual toes and fingers with my awareness. this is accompanied with a definite sense of heaviness but still somewhat close to the surface. If someone were to walk through the door I would be able to snap my self out of it. Perhaps it would take me a little to reorient but it wouldn't be as though I was waking from a nap. This also avoids disassociation from your environment which would also make things difficult when it comes to getting a tactile sense of action such as pulling on a rope that is hanging from the environment in relation to your body, or rolling or sinking through your environment ect.

again this is just my experience of it and I have also had full dual consciousness splits when fully awake with no trance present at all. Those ones were spontaneous triggers mind you.

Anyways I hope that clarifies some of what I was trying to say

[CFTraveler]

Sure.
Have you ever done NEW in trance? It helps with the dissassociation, or maybe it doesn't, it helps with association of the energy body. If not, I highly recommend it.

[ShatteredSoul]

yes I'm speaking in terms of NEW. For me in my experience though its very hard to work in a tactile way if you cannot first feel the body parts you need to stimulate. I suppose if you were to do energy raising first that might lessen dissociation but my experience is deeper trance=greater dissociation. Also the sequencing I usually follow is relaxation (maybe a yoga routine) of physical, breath work and trance and then relevant energy work. unless I am working towards a different end in which case my exercises will adjust accordingly. anyways have a good one!

[CFTraveler]

Yes, but I wasn't speaking of doing NEW and going into trance, but going into trance and then doing NEW. Maybe I'm different but if I go into trance and do NEW the sensations are extremely strong- so strong that I can almost see the movements in an almost clairvoyant sense.

[ShatteredSoul]

Yes I go into trance before doing energy work as well. Unless I have a different goal in mind. I said in the last post that I feel it is difficult to create a tactile sense in a body part that is overly disassociated which is why I believe it is important not to put yourself too deep. However I also stated that perhaps if you did energy work first it might lessen the disassociation of a really deep trance though I don't think it would do as much for your environmental awareness and the disassociation that happens there which is relevant to environment related techniques.

In any case I'm not going to go on as I feel I have hijacked Daniel's thread that he was using for feed back and personal contemplation. For that I would like to apologies. Sorry Daniel.

warm regards

[CFTraveler]

Me too. Sorry Daniel.

[danielnieuwoudt]

Hi Guys/Gals

This is exactly the type of feedback that I hoped the thread would create as I believe the comments made are invaluable to novice and experienced people who is starting NEW and Trance work.

Regards
Daniel