Originally Posted by
Sephir
Do you know, that as a matter of fact, you have no freedom of choice? You were born in place you haven't chosen. You have properties, DNA, that you haven't chosen. You was growing up in family you haven't chosen.
This is overly narrow.
Fortunately you are not your body. While perhaps your (forced) circumstances restrict you, they do not contain you. All of those things will pass.
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I am inferring that most (all?) of your OBEs have been to near places (RTZ, Astral, etc). I totally agree that the additional perspective gained from these is minimal at best.
Yes, its true that many spend a great deal of time and effort doing OBE and have nothing to show of it besides a lot of stories. It doesn't have to be that way.
Regarding the Kabbalah, of which I know very little, I want to make a suggestion regarding its use in OBE: specifically, the tree of life (10 circles, lots of lines). In addition to being aspects of the divine expression, they are actual 'locales' that can be visited. While I did not get there via the Kabbalah, I recognized the descriptions. I suggest that rather than reading about it, you can just go and experience it. Surely anything that can be learned by studying the Kabbalah can be learned through OBE to those actual places. Where do you think the ancient mystics got it from?
From my experience visiting these sort of places does strip away many silly notions about the nature of reality. While perhaps it does not directly explain anything, it does provide a much better framework to answer the question of reality.
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I know that some amount of learning about the nature of reality is gained via OBE. The most common (though trivial) is to learn that we are not our bodies. The first time you see your body from the outside and realize that 'you' still exist causes a fundamental and profound change (same experience as an NDE). This is perhaps were some learn of the idea of a soul.
OBE can open the mind and other aspects of self which is essential in asking the question about the nature of reality. The very fact of being able to talk about the 'illusion', 'mutually constructed realities', 'our own world', 'outside the five senses', 'touching infinit[y]' can come from experiences gained via OBE.
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Sephir: I know you have found your tool that seems to be working for you at the moment. However, its not the answer for everyone. From my point of view you still have a long way to go to explore the fullness of the Kabbalah. To this I say, good, go with what works.
As far as this topic, seems to me you are speaking more about your limitations with using OBE as a tool than truly addressing the limitations of that tool.
Sin nada (Nothing is impossible)
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