trance problems

Psychonaut1984 · 17th October 2008, 03:17 AM

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

The two times I was helped out I ended up in the astral, not in the RTZ...

I was very tempted to ask for help, and I started to actually but then it occured to me that I don't know who I am calling out to. Is it safe to yell for help, and if so how are you supposed to phrase it?

**CFTraveler** · 17th October 2008, 01:33 PM

Well, I didn't articulate it as a sentence, because it was more like telepathic communication. I think I extended my hand to the figure and they grabbed and pulled. Then I flew away. I didn't stick around because one or two times I was accosted right after. But they didn't follow.
So, it's up to you if you want to take the chance, because you can get attacked this way.

Psychonaut1984 · 19th October 2008, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

Well, I didn't articulate it as a sentence, because it was more like telepathic communication. I think I extended my hand to the figure and they grabbed and pulled. Then I flew away. I didn't stick around because one or two times I was accosted right after. But they didn't follow.
So, it's up to you if you want to take the chance, because you can get attacked this way.

I don't get it... why would something help you into the astral just to give you grief, unless it intended to actually attack you? What do mean when you say they accosted you? Did they telepathically be like "hey you, now that I pulled you in why are you here? How dare you!"

**CFTraveler** · 19th October 2008, 05:35 PM

One of them tried to sexually assault me, but I escaped. (You don't want me to explain anymore, do you?) Another one grabbed me by the wrists in a threatening manner, and I didn't stick around to find out what it wanted. I just flew away. Most of the time it's ok, they just help and I go away.
As to motivation, I don't stick around to find out. Like I've said before, this technique is not for the faint hearted.

Think about it this way- if someone is a projected double, then you can try to guess as to motivation- human motivation is pretty much easy to figure out, being human ourselves. But an interdimensional manifestation isn't always going to be predictable or even fathomable- so to figure out motivation there has to be some common ground, and I'm not about to hang out and find out.

Noctambulant · 25th August 2009, 03:24 PM

Greetings,

I need some help. I've been practicing trancing for 3/4 weeks. 4 times a week 3 times a day' but it won't work. Well , it feels that way. On several occasions I had some strange moments as if my consciousness was flowing through a thick wall of waves. After that it gave me a feeling that my mind was in some void , my lips felt like they were swollen it was really weird. I have experienced this void like feeling many times in my life. And in the trance practive weeks I experienced it for 4 times or so. But the last week nothing happened.

Before trancing I do one full routine relaxation technique after that I clear my mind with breath control. Then I proceed to the mental falling technique. I think I have some problems with focus while doing the mental falling technique because when I focus on the scenerio in the elevator for example I often loose control of the falling vibrating feeling in the stomach. But even when I succeed in that I stil can't get into a trance state.

I tried doing 2 or 3 full routine relaxation techniques but it feels the same when I do one full routine so I stick to the one routine. My breath control for shutting my internal diologue is good so I don't think thats the problem.

**CFTraveler** · 25th August 2009, 03:31 PM

Hi Noctambulant.
When you say you can't reach trance, what exactly happens? Do you feel you're still awake, or do you pass out? Do you categorize trance as MABA?

Noctambulant · 26th August 2009, 11:24 AM

Well, while doing the mental falling technique my mind is clearly awake but for my body I don't know although it feels kind of strange when I'm trying to move a limb for example. And when I stand up it sort of feels like its all going slow. And because I had those 4 experiences I thought thats the state I need to get into ( void like feeling). MABA?

**CFTraveler** · 26th August 2009, 03:15 PM

Mind Awake Body Asleep, or Deep Trance. It sounds like you're going into light trance. Have you reached the energy body loosening section of the program yet?

Noctambulant · 27th August 2009, 02:07 PM

No, I stopped at week 5 because I wanted to master trance first. When I'm doing the mental falling technique I often loose my focus on the scenerio and then I get random images in my mind. Are these hypnogogics and does that means I'm in a trance state?