HOW EFFECTIVE ???

[CEP2plet]

AAHHHAHAHA!!! Oh, OK. Alright. No hard feelings. Right, international. Keep forgetting.

[planet]

hehe absolutly dificult to get info from CFtraveler !!! but i least got a clearer picture.

... yes planet is a male word so im a "don juan" dear traveler.

[Korpo]

planet,

Even while there are "mechanical approaches" to having an OBE they work for varying degrees for different people. We don't know if only our minds are involved. We don't have even a near-complete picture of the anatomy of the energy body or how it works or how it relates to projection, so we can't even really say if there's a mechanical approach and what its parameters are.

Robert published a rate with a comparatively high rate of success and holds workshops which are helpful for inducing the experience. But this cannot guarantee you an OBE.

Maybe we don't have enough skilled masters to report back yet to formulate a truly mechanical approach, yet. There have been attempts at this, but unless everyone could produce an OBE or precisely be told why it fails I would not call it "mechanical".

Personally, I find people's experiments and experiences more exciting at this stage where we don't know much for sure. It's this early, pre-scientific stage that happens in any discipline. I guess thousands of physicists would give an arm or an leg to be part of that age where big truths are still waiting for the right mind, before the nitty-gritty of detail work starts. People from those times always get remembered best - like Einstein, like Newton.

Take good care,
Oliver

[planet]

Checking out some threads on this site I´ve found something interesting about learning getting out of body, ..everyone who gets any degree of a success obe by the first time soon or latter finds out that it is almost impossible to achieve a 2nd time oobe..
You see there are some coincidences in all cases which are very interesting to dig in.

Many children under , lets say 8 yrold , does obe in a spontaneouss fashion, it just happen for them.
As well as they grow up that ability fades out.
The same happens when you put a person under hypnosis, you take away their "conscious" mind and you can actually trigger an oobe for that individual. But if the conscious mind is still awake, "somthing" will prevent to any "uncontrolled" action to take place by its own.

Something in your words above Korpo made me recall that old movie about aliens taking out the planet , ..hehe I dont know if you remember but the alliens finally die because of the bacteria their bodies didnt know how to manage... The movie ends saying that we , the human race, have earned this planet by developing bodies which automatically can protect us from the hostile enviroment around us.

SO, what keeps us living in one astral pool (reality) instead of fluxing from one to another is the self learned protective memory which keeps us safe into one place probably.

thanks to internet that makes us all internationals.

[CFTraveler]

Checking out some threads on this site I´ve found something interesting about learning getting out of body, ..everyone who gets any degree of a success obe by the first time soon or latter finds out that it is almost impossible to achieve a 2nd time oobe..

I think if you dig in some more you'll find that people usually get out once and then try the same way and fail... but when they adapt their approach they usually succeed. There are lots of people that have OBE journals here, and you'll see how we've adapted our exit techniques depending on how we adapt to the changes in our subconscious beliefs and energy bodies.

I do agree we do have built-in 'safeguards' against this type of thing, and it is very simple- survival would be very difficult if you were projecting consciously while you were trying to run away from a hungry sabertooth, let's say. And it would become difficult to distinguish your choices if you had conscious access to all the probable outcomes of a decision- it would make terrestrial life very difficult, and after all, we seem to have incarnated for a reason.

But still, it's so much fun to do those things that you know you can't while in-body, and that's probably why we do it, scary experiences and all.