That face! There it is!
That face! There it is!
Yes it is very hard to try a dileberitly interpret meditation and new ways of thinkin you aren't used to yet (guessing your fairly new at this).
Also if your looking for answers or whats not, one tip is don't try too hard, thats when you get confused and read a message wrong. You want to take it for what it is, and if it don't make sense now, maybe it will in time.
JS
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The idea of "meditation" is too vague and wispy for me. Everybody has their own idea about what it is. But what does that matter to me personally? For me, it's similar to kundalini. Everyone who has had energy sensations along their spine has had a kundalini experience, right? I have yet to figure out the real mechanics of either kundalini or meditation, so I try not to make either my focus. And my mind is too polluted by other peoples ideas of what these things are. But my instinct tells me that what is said about these things is just the tip of the iceberg.
But I can say that I DO know what energy work is, and I do know how to do a multitude of breathing practices. So that's what I focus on, and I see where it takes me. And often I find that these practices lead me to conclusions or ideas that I've never seen mentioned in any book or heard from any speaker. But what I think is important is that you base your conclusions on empirical evidence- the things that you experience. Just do the work and see where it takes you. The ultimate answers you may never find, but the journey can be one hell of a ride
Also realize that what you experience may just be the trunk, the tail, or the leg of the elephant, but not the elephant itself. http://www.wordinfo.info/words/index...tter=B&spage=3
Try not to be weighed down with your ideas or other peoples ideas of what something is. In the end, that just limits your experiences. What other, experienced people, have to say can be very valuable and very useful, but at the end of the day, it's just hearsay.
Bravo, Nostic!
Oliver
Uhm, you can't experience a part of the thing without having experienced the thing. If I grab hold of the elephant's trunk, I didn't experience the elephant? What was it then? A snake? A vine? A large piece of pasta? No, it was an elephant. It just wasn't the whole elephant. It was an experience of that thing we call "elephant" however.Originally Posted by Nostic
By the same token, if I have a bite of the cake, I've actually tasted the cake, and if I put my hands on the wall, I'm only touching the part of the wall that my hands can reach, but it's still the wall...
May the light surround you, may you be blessed. May the light surround us, may we be blessed. May love and light surround us all, and may we all be healed and blessed. And so it is, and so it shall be, now and ever after.
Whats worked for me is letting my breaths slow down. I have the goal of a single breath a minute. but no time limit. I also tend to allow myself to follow my thoughts to the source, which can be the subconcious or a chakra.
Sometimes it is helpful to look from the other way, so here are two accomplished meditators explain to where meditation took them.
Adyashanti is, as little as I know about him yet, into "non-conceptual meditation". His meditation has no focus. Everything is observed as it is, unchanged. Nothing is focused upon, only awareness itself.
(Adyashanti, "True Meditation", http://www.adyashanti.org/index.php?...r&writingid=12)Originally Posted by Adyashanti
Bruce Frantzis is a Taoist meditator, following a Chinese mix with both Buddhist and Taoist influences. Here the mind focuses on the blockages/attachments that bind our awareness and prevent us from being free, dissolving them. The more blockage is gone, the more the meditator moves beyond the self, concepts, etc.:
(Bruce Frantzis, "Relaxing Into Your Being", "The Three Treasures and Emptiness")Originally Posted by Bruce Frantzis
This is, of course, ambitious stuff. This seems to be what happens when you follow meditation to "its end". Or like Tom put it very aptly recently:
(from here: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/vie...11253&start=15)Originally Posted by Tom
Oliver
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