Reaction on OBE survey #1, 40% has not projected

[Martin]

About people struggeling to project, so we might see a pattern. I think that half of the people browsing this forums does not project consciously. Anyway, I'll just wait

[CFTraveler]

I have a nonscientific explanation for that- if you see the memberlist it's much larger than the people that post here on a given 2-3 month period, and have seen the survey. It seems to me that most people that come in here do so because they read Robert's book and have questions, (that is, are starting to either get interested in AP or have been doing it and want to gain more mastery of it). Those that do and get what they need eventually move on to other things, or become moderators if they want to continue studying the subject. So you will always get a larger percentage of people that are starting out-Just take a look at the new member thread- Probably it's another survey we should try.
Did that make sense? I'm not feeling coherent this morning.

Interestingly, I ran a very informal survey at the coffee room at my church and about half the little old ladies that go to my church admitted to having OBEs. So 40% may be a good percentage overall.

[anotherone]

The problem with us is our problems just aren't interesting...

[Martin]

Thats the point of making just one tread. You don't have to make a new one for all your little problems, just post them here!

[anotherone]

I did. That problem is: nothing's happening.

Believe me, the stuff I'm complaining about is not just a misperception I have. I am not "being too hard on myself." I can objectively state that I'm not developing any powers, or gaining any control, or having any experiences that I didn't have before. The reading I mentioned, I asked for because I was discouraged, and I wondered if my experience was really normal and temporary, or if something might actually be keeping me from having success, that needed to be broken down by someone else. When I finally got it, just being on the other end of her connection for a few minutes was more effective than everything I've been trying to do for myself for months-- which seemed to confirm my suspicion. The positive things she told me about my development I couldn't relate to at all, to the point where, like JoSac, I wondered if she had the right person. If she did, it was some superior version of me that I have absolutely no connection to, and not the me that actually needed looking at.

I guess I'm starting to sound ungrateful... I just don't know what to do with myself. I don't like not being able to trade stories with everyone about my experiences or my latest incredible vision. I feel shut out, and powerless to do anything about it. I truly don't know if there's any point to me continuing to practice on my own like normal. But the alternative?-- who's going to have that kind of time for me?

[CFTraveler]

Send me a pm and we'll work this out. Even though I suppose that some people can't do certain things (like my mom can't sing and there's no amount of lessons that'll give her the ear for it) I think you can do something. I really can see that you want to do this very badly and feel compelled to try to help you in any way I can, if you'll let me.

[anotherone]

Oh, I'll let you.

(...Glad I didn't post the MORE melodramatic version!)

[Astral Explorer]

Wow, how did I forget about this...great feedback

Question...If I wake up in the middle of the night would I already be physically relaxed despite not doing physical relaxation exercise before going to bed?

Her is my exact routine...haven't tried in maybe 3-4 days

Physical Relaxation - Tense and hold each body part for 1 min...move neck forward and down on chest for 3 mins, move neck backwards and down on neck for 3 mins. I do this 2 times.

Energy Works - Stimulate toes, sole, leg pathway, hands, palms, arms...24 bounces on legs, then spine, then arms...full body circuit 2mins (This is where I usually stop)

Trance - Falling sensation, if I feel I'm in trance I try body loosening and then I try projecting by rocket flying me out of space or climbing ladder (I did the ladder one when I was in a dream and started climbing a ladder, I was also waking up in my dream but still was doing the action which cause a projection which I got surprised and messed it up)

My comments to what I've seen so far:

I've correctly attempted to AP for a week or two.

That's not even close to feeling frustrated. The MAP program, for example, tells you you can expect to project in three months. So you're already feeling frustrated even though you haven't been doing it long enough. This is negative programming you're instilling in yourself.

...this is good to know because I wasn't too sure how long it would take to start projecting...I personally had it set that I'd be doing NEW for the rest of me life, heck I'm dedicated to astral projecting for the rest of my life.

I was going pretty hardcore
1 hour of Physical Relaxation
1-3 hours just trying to stimulate my energy ways (Not even raising the energy)

Nothing wrong with this, except the order in which you're doing this. You shouldn't do NEW right before a projection attempt- you should take about 1/2 to 1 hour a day (not even that much, I'm just trying to 'cover the bases') during the day when you're up and about because it energizes you. Doing it right before the attempt results in what you are doing- winding yourself up to then try to unwind yourself up. That's wasted time.
Instead, as part as your normal physical exercise, do NEW. Then go about your day.

Yep I'll start doing that

I think trance is the part that takes me the longest because I hate the feeling of being in trance so I get a bit frustrated because of the feeling and I just go to sleep hoping to get a very vivid dream. Other times its because I take so long just trying to do physical relaxation it gives me the thought of "Just keep doing it you already spent 1 hour trying to physically relax" and then I get to stimulating my energy ways which I always think I'm doing wrong and that sometimes I might be mistakenly stimulating my primary circuits.

If you do this at the projection attempt it won't take you so long to get to trance. There are definite relaxation exercises to do, to keep your mind occupied, instead of just 'waiting' for something to happen. Then after relaxing, raise energy. The full body circuit doesn't involve the arms at all so I'm not sure what the next thing you're talking about is about. But raise energy with the full body circuit, and then go on to trance exercises. Once again, there are specific trance exercises, to keep you from getting bored. Do these, and if you're still too awake, there are more mind-occupying exercises to do while your body goes to sleep.[/quote]

will try...

50% of the time I don't make it to raising energy for more than 2mins before going to sleep because I always have a feeling that I'm raising the energy arms part wrong and so I just raise with my legs, which gives me the impression that my lower body is WAY stronger than my upper body because I rarely stimulate my upper body as long as I do with my lower body...I also tend to stimulate my left side very well and basically do a lazy job of doing the same thing to the right leg.

Raising energy is about directing the energy to your lower tantien or subnavel circuit. That's it. It stimulates your chakras, but that's about it. Other NEW exercises (sponging, energy ball, etc.) are for stimulating all circuits, but that's not what you're supposed to be doing at this point. You want to raise it for projection.[/quote]

I raise my energy to the subnavel circuit only, I thought you had to raise energy through your arms too...so I was trying to do my arms too. Even though I do it ok it is much easier just raising from my legs...I just had the interpretation that maybe my arms would be weaker than everywhere else.

I guess because I'm under the impression that I need ALOT of energy in order to project so I'm constantly just stimulating for hours because I need to be able to get more energy to pass through.

You project every night without doing anything. You need energy to stay aware and remember your projection. You need energy to 'go with' your energy body when it goes. But you don't need it to create the energy body or to launch it.[/quote]

oooo lol, I'm surprised I didn't figure this out by common sense lol. No wonder my dreams are WAY more vivid ever sense I started learning this, now I get it fully.

With all that said I think I attempted to astral project a few times...
- Twice I partially projected as my neck muscles were still tense (This is what caused me to start wanting to physically relax for 1-2 hours)
- Once I felt the heart center vibrations after rushing through the whole process because I seemed to be doing everything else for many hours and never trying to project. I got so surprised that I actually just spent maybe 10-20mins tops and was projecting, which I then snapped out of trance and messed everything up.

If what you said in the beginning is true, then you're not doing so bad. A partial projection after two weeks is excellent. Don't get discouraged. And if there's something about NEW you're confused about, please ask questions in the Energy Work section, we're here to help.

I stopped trying everything a few days later because I was spending about 14-16 hours a day in bed just trying to do this. In my head I'm thinking "There is no way robert bruce spends 3 hours just trying to prep for a projection."

The thing is that when you first start energy work you're supposed to be very thorough in moving energy in every detail of your body. But after some time, after your energy body is 'trained' to respond to your thought-stimulation, just a few swipes here and there will do the trick. But you have to put in the time at first. So, he doesn't spend that much time, but he's very experienced. When he was beginning? I'm sure it was a lot longer.[/quote]

Currently my energy body gets stimulated in about 20 seconds as my stimulation has got pretty good

Anyway thx for the feedback this was very helpful

[JoSac]

I hate to keep talking on this subject but i thought this pretty important, im just looking for some input.

Fri. night me and a bunch of my friends went out to eat at Chilies, i was drinking before and while we were there. When we left we dropped off one kid, then went back to out home city. I was asking to drive all night (even though i was drinking, i knew i shouldn't, but i figure im a good drunk driver ) So i drove to another kids house so they could grab 'some stuff'. Next i decided to drive us to our city's woods (which is amazing i might add). We were sitting in the parking lot with lights on and some deer were frozen because of it, so we were observeing them from in the car. Next thing a cop car pulls in. Im just like you have to be kidding me. Its a fri. night with a bunch of kids in the car, im driving under the influence, and theyre doing w.e. in the back.

Idk why, but the cop just shined his light on us, i put up my hand and backed up and drove out of there and we didn't get stopped. I was SO scared.

I somehow think it was a message, or maybe the deer were sent there on purpose, to make the cop think we were just looking at them.

I take this as a message sent by someone higher. Im just looking for some input on wht you guys think...

Thanks JS

[anotherone]

I was asking to drive all night (even though i was drinking, i knew i shouldn't, but i figure im a good drunk driver )

I got your input right here: