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    Re: questions about awakening and the twin ray

    Quote Originally Posted by watrinh
    When I say you merge the opposite polarities, I mean you do this directly on the emotional levels. You would recall and emotional feeling, such as happiness. Then recall a very negative feeling, like sadness. You recall those two emotions and synthesize them, and merge those two opposing emotions together. What I meant has nothing to do with another soul.
    That sounds like alchemy. I actually have read warnings about similar techniques that mix emotional energies to "balance" them. This particular warning said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Bruce Frantzis
    Some Taoist esoteric schools apply the sound and light transformation techniques right from the beginning, especially at the emotional level. They go directly to changing anger to compassion, fear to awareness, greed to generosity, hatred into joy, and so on. However they do this without having first released the encrusted material around Consciousness itself. As soon as they build up energy [...] they start transforming emotions without hesitation.

    [...] it is possible to transform one emotion into another, with tremendous speed. The problem with this way of transformation is that it can permit practitioners not to feel those parts of themselves that are slightly on the dark side. They may only experience their "feel good" side. [...] They find their energy increased, yet something remains wrong, seriously wrong, because their deep underlying structure has not changed, only the quality of the encrusted dirt adhering to the surface of the gemstone. [...]

    [...]If you lose contact with the depth of your own human pains and potential dysfunctions your increased awareness and powers can lead you to a spiritual dead end.
    (from "The Great Stillness" by Bruce Frantzis)

    I reference this because of what it reminded me of. When he says "Taoist esoteric schools" it reminded me of the teachings of Mantak Chia. In fact, Chia has a technique very similar to yours - as part of his "Fusion of the Five Elements" technique. The "Five Elements" here pertain to the different emotional energies inherent to the organs of your body - like the liver (which is "responsible" for anger in Daoist medicine).

    Chia's technique would now try to balance the elemental energies by doing what you did - mixing and matching different emotional qualities to "neutralise" them. Energies would be moved and combined, and supposedly result in a balanced being. This already reminded me a lot of what was warned about in the book mentioned above. And for me at least everything that author has written so far checked out.

    This is pretty much the same as your technique to - take emotional quality A, take supposedly opposite emotional quality, mix and attain some kind of balance. I think the same risk as mentioned above is inherent to this, for several reasons:

    First of all, I believe that every sadness, every frustration, every bout of anger, every negative feeling do have an underlying cause. A reason. I believe that these reasons must be dealt with, root causes found to be really neutralised properly. I believe that negative qualities persist due to the absence of awareness. Only exposing them to awareness can help releasing them, IMO.

    In my personal practice I found some confirmation for another belief - the positive qualities are not the opposites of the negative qualities, they are their absence. You are happy, joyful, content, grounded in yourself when you are not overwrought with sadness, anger, fear or hate. So, by facing the root causes of some of these states of mind I was able to experience these purer qualities - like love and compassion - more and more frequently. Again I applied awareness to these negative qualities to arrive at something positive. I did not mix them or match them. I just neutralised them directly and purified myself of them whenever I could.

    And finally - since I believe the positive qualities are the absence of the negative, there is also no sense for me in trying to balance the negative with the positive. You can feel love all the time without it doing you harm. Love, for example, is IMO a balanced state you arrive at when you remove all the negative qualities that keep you out of this balance.

    Maybe that is part of your problems that have occurred during your practice.

    Oliver

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    Re: questions about awakening and the twin ray

    Quote Originally Posted by Korpo

    I reference this because of what it reminded me of. When he says "Taoist esoteric schools" it reminded me of the teachings of Mantak Chia. In fact, Chia has a technique very similar to yours - as part of his "Fusion of the Five Elements" technique. The "Five Elements" here pertain to the different emotional energies inherent to the organs of your body - like the liver (which is "responsible" for anger in Daoist medicine).

    Chia's technique would now try to balance the elemental energies by doing what you did - mixing and matching different emotional qualities to "neutralise" them. Energies would be moved and combined, and supposedly result in a balanced being. This already reminded me a lot of what was warned about in the book mentioned above. And for me at least everything that author has written so far checked out.

    This is pretty much the same as your technique to - take emotional quality A, take supposedly opposite emotional quality, mix and attain some kind of balance. I think the same risk as mentioned above is inherent to this, for several reasons:

    First of all, I believe that every sadness, every frustration, every bout of anger, every negative feeling do have an underlying cause. A reason. I believe that these reasons must be dealt with, root causes found to be really neutralised properly. I believe that negative qualities persist due to the absence of awareness. Only exposing them to awareness can help releasing them, IMO.

    In my personal practice I found some confirmation for another belief - the positive qualities are not the opposites of the negative qualities, they are their absence. You are happy, joyful, content, grounded in yourself when you are not overwrought with sadness, anger, fear or hate. So, by facing the root causes of some of these states of mind I was able to experience these purer qualities - like love and compassion - more and more frequently. Again I applied awareness to these negative qualities to arrive at something positive. I did not mix them or match them. I just neutralised them directly and purified myself of them whenever I could.

    And finally - since I believe the positive qualities are the absence of the negative, there is also no sense for me in trying to balance the negative with the positive. You can feel love all the time without it doing you harm. Love, for example, is IMO a balanced state you arrive at when you remove all the negative qualities that keep you out of this balance.

    Maybe that is part of your problems that have occurred during your practice.

    Oliver

    I understand what you're saying. But I also believe that combining two opposing emotions forces things to balance out. If you combine your negatives with your positives, all your negativity kills all your positivity. What's left is either completely negative or completely positive. Anyway, this doesn't seem to be my issue here. Anyhow, if you totally merge all opposite polarities you open up a divine gate in the heart to a higher conscious. This higher energy center is what the aggressors were after.

    Oh and when I say you awaken to the twin ray this way by merging the opposites, I suppose I'm referring to divine union with your twin. And merging your polar opposites of your heart chakra awakens I believe what they call the sacred flame.

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    Re: questions about awakening and the twin ray

    Hi Watrinh,


    I had something similar once regarding having two memories / feelings one positive & one negative and trying to have them at the same time.

    My first experience which lead to a phasing OBE I guess you could call it was when I thought I would experiment with happy feelings thinking of a memory, and a angry memory feeling while laying in bed.
    I was trying to have both feelings at the same time together to see what would happen while closed eyed clearing my mind.
    What happened next was I felt a great pull of consciousness to another place then the pull suddenly stopped, this place was
    total darkness in terms of having no visual site.

    I did though have hearing there which had beautiful sounds of birds singing..however being a very first experience and no prior OBE ect I had concern since this place was all dark it was a bad place even thought it didn't feel that way so I willed my way back and awoke.


    Regards,

    Zethor

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