emerald tablets of thoth?

[darron]

wow hijacked. but thank you Aunt Clair, you post was very enlightening.

[Mica]

This post could very well earn me a lot of flak from the other members here, but I just could not sit back complacently and say nothing after reading this thread.

First off, I just want to preface by saying that I am open to whatever beliefs people have, and have no interest in trying to enforce my own beliefs onto others or in saying that my beliefs and views are more "right" or whatever. I affirm the wonderful diversity of perceptions, beliefs, and perspectives, etc of each individual's experience. Secondly, I am also aware of the danger that holding on to rigid structures of belief can have, and feel strongly that it is important to let the world’s established spiritual traditions guide your soul evolution without getting too attached to their structure and content. One should not mistake the map for the real landscape. Please understand that I am not writing from this place.

Why I am writing this, however, is because I believe it is nevertheless important to pay due respect to the power the different spiritual traditions have by not muddling them up with our own ideas and beliefs, and projecting on to them what we want them to be, rather than taking the time and effort to understand them for what they really are.

What I have read here concerning the Emerald Tablets makes me shake my head.

It is very important to understand that this sacred text comes out of the Hermetic alchemical tradition, and it is so important, for real understanding, to place the text within that context, rather than removing it from its context and placing it in whatever frame of beliefs you happen to be into. You would not take the Lord's Prayer and place it in the context of modern UFOology cults, saying that whoever wrote that was praying to space aliens. This would be ridiculous and would be demeaning both to yourself and to the Christian spiritual tradition.

It is weird how commonly even the word "alchemy" is misused and thrown on as a label for almost every conceivable spiritual exercise. This makes it very difficult for the average seeker to understand what legitimate alchemy is, as it has been known throughout the centuries. This has to do I think with how most people using the word ascribe any spiritual or energetic transformation (especially from a lower frequency to a higher one) to “alchemy”. The inherent problem is that this isn’t necessarily wrong. But exactly how the ancient alchemists understood the principles, mechanics, and nature of this transformation brings us into a very specific and precise doctrine and set of practices; a unique methodology all its own. So, unfortunately, the more modern, very generalized (yet not incorrect) definition has occluded the specificity of the tradition itself.

The Emerald Tablet is simply an exceedingly concise teaching on the alchemical formula of "Solve et Coagula" (which takes a lifetime - if you're lucky - to really understand and master). This is the formula that stands at the heart of all laboratory work and operations. There is a little theory going around that all the work in the lab was just a metaphor for the "real, spiritual, inner process". This is utter nonsense and easily shows itself to be so, if we only just take a brief look at the actual lives of the alchemists. They were all actively involved in working with matter - from Morienus to Nicholas Flamel to Fulcanelli. All were involved in studying and utilizing physical processes with physical substances in an actual, physical laboratory. This is not to say that there isn't an inner, spiritual side to the work. But this "philosophical" side was always hand-in-hand with the manual labor. In fact, there is every reason to believe that they saw the manual labor as inherently spiritual and philosophical in and of itself. Our problem is that we are living in a world where science and spirituality have become divorced (although thanks to quantum physics, this is slowly being resolved), but this is only a recent fracture, stemming mostly from the impact Descartes' ideas have had in our world.

So, with all due respect, it is not a teaching on how to "dump" your watery and earthly nature to unite with Kether, and it is not a set of instructions on how to ascend by working with your energy body. There is absolutely nothing in the alchemical literature talking about sunstones and moonstones and earthstones in the body. These may be legitimate practices, and if they work for you, that’s awesome! But this is not what the alchemists throughout history were doing or talking about.

And all the stuff about "UNTANAS, QUERTAS, CHIETAL", I really don't know what this is from, but this is NOT from the Emerald Tablet, and has nothing to do with the real text passed down to us from the ancients. It sounds like some modern New Age channeled or invented text, and someone ignorantly decided it would be a good idea to slap the same title onto it. Maybe they thought there was some connection, or maybe they just wanted their ideas to get more attention. I don't know. I'm not saying there isn't some great stuff in this other text. I don't know, I haven't looked at it. It just isn't the Emerald Tablet of Hermes-Thoth (Hermes Trismegistus).

However, if you are actually into learning what the Emerald Tablet was really about, I can make a few suggestions. While I personally don't agree with everything this author says, Rubaphilos Salfluere's "The Hermes Paradigm" has, near the end of the book, what I believe to be (besides the famous Golden Chain of Homer) the best and most informative commentary on the Emerald Tablet ever published. As Rubaphilos is a very competent and experienced practicing alchemist himself, he really does know what he is talking about, and is one of the few people qualified to write a commentary on this text. Also, for alchemical symbolism in general, a good resource is Adam Maclean's "Study Course on alchemical symbolism". Interestingly enough, his first lesson is mostly a lecture on exactly what I am saying here: that if we wish to understand alchemical symbolism, then it is vital not to project our own ideas onto it or interpret it through our own filters, but to let the symbolism, the text and the tradition as a whole speak for itself; let it speak to you first, before you form any opinion. Ironically, Adam uses various interpretations of the Emerald Tablet to illustrate his point. However, while Adam is one of the few writers on the subject who has deeply and thoroughly studied the Hermetic alchemical tradition, please keep in mind that Adam is not a working alchemist, and so a lot of what he says is not based in genuine experience.

Ok, this rant has gone on long enough. I hope I haven’t offended anyone by this, and if I have, I sincerely apologize.

[darron]

ITS PEANUT BUTTER JELLY TIME!

wow this post has been around for awhile, but i see what ya mean mica.

[Aunt Clair]

...it is nevertheless important to pay due respect to the power the different spiritual traditions have by not muddling them up with our own ideas and beliefs, and projecting on to them what we want them to be,

It is natural and necessary to view new experiences based upon what is already known and understood, this is called metasynthesis and it is an aspect of mature learning. It is not "muddling"about.

rather than taking the time and effort to understand them for what they really are.

But, if someone would have taken the time and effort to read eclectically about the Emerald Tablets they would certainly have discerned that Alchemy has branches of plant, metal and Hermetic Magick.

Hermetic Alchemy is an ancient mystical path having a basis in the ancient cultures in ; Egypt , India, Greece, Middle East , Asia, Europe et cetera .

It is very important to understand that this sacred text comes out of the Hermetic alchemical tradition, and it is so important, for real understanding, to place the text within that context, rather than removing it from its context and placing it in whatever frame of beliefs you happen to be into.

The Bible is a sacred text although there is written within one of its books what has been called the 'Biblical Emerald Tablet', the Emerald Tablet itself is not a sacred text.

The Emerald Tablet is a few lines of cryptic text which demonstrates a Hermetic method for the magician to complete;

*the Little Work aka Opus Minus aka Work of the Moon to manifest Akasha

* the Great Work aka Magnum Opus aka Work of the Sun to manifest golden fire energy aka Sun or Amoris. http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal17.jpg

* and the culmination of the Emerald Works which manifests a noble Air energy to begin projection of consciousness to the Higher Planes, Kether, the Elohimic Realms and further Alchemical Ascension.
The Emerald Tablet is about Hermetic Philosopher Ascension Alchemy and not about Metal Alchemy.

You would not take the Lord's Prayer and place it in the context of modern UFOology cults, saying that whoever wrote that was praying to space aliens. This would be ridiculous and would be demeaning both to yourself and to the Christian spiritual tradition.

The Emerald Tablet is not sacred. It is merely one text used by Hermetic Alchemists whom are not of any particular religion. Jews, Muslims and Christians have completed the Alchemical Works so have pagans, and wiccans et cetera. Each culture has been able to climb the Tree of Life. Each culture can complete the Emerald Tablet, too.

It is weird how commonly even the word "alchemy" is misused and thrown on as a label for almost every conceivable spiritual exercise. This makes it very difficult for the average seeker to understand what legitimate alchemy is, as it has been known throughout the centuries.

That ONE "Legitimate Alchemy" does not exist and never did. But Plant and Herb Alchemy, Metal Alchemy and Hermetic Alchemy do exist. Alchemy is a transmutational pathworking concerning changing the base nature to a sublime one.

Metal Alchemy is based upon searching for a way to change lead to gold.

Hermetic Alchemy is based upon finding a way to manifest the alchemical Moon and Sun within the human energy body, to attain henios and to build up the light quotient of the human energy body from base primitive unaware man in the leaden state to a state of golden enlightenment and self realization. It involves the evocation of the 4 archangels or the 5 helpers http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/bonus11.jpg
and the control of the 5 tattwas of the ancient Hindu Sacred Texts.

It is the synthesis, amalgamation and integration of eclectic sacred texts and alchemical texts of this world met in reading and contemplation and in the next as met in meditation, mysticism and projection. Kabballah is one example of a spiritual pathworking towards ascension , the Emerald Tablet is another.

This has to do I think with how most people using the word ascribe any spiritual or energetic transformation (especially from a lower frequency to a higher one) to “alchemy”. The inherent problem is that this isn’t necessarily wrong.

That's because it isn't wrong, at all. It is the definition of the practice. Ascension of the consciousness, enlightenment and self realization is the reason for Hermetic Alchemy.

But exactly how the ancient alchemists understood the principles, mechanics, and nature of this transformation brings us into a very specific and precise doctrine and set of practices; a unique methodology all its own. So, unfortunately, the more modern, very generalized (yet not incorrect) definition has occluded the specificity of the tradition itself.

Please elucidate that "specificity of the tradition itself" .

The Emerald Tablet is simply an exceedingly concise teaching on the alchemical formula of "Solve et Coagula" (which takes a lifetime - if you're lucky - to really understand and master). This is the formula that stands at the heart of all laboratory work and operations. There is a little theory going around that all the work in the lab was just a metaphor for the "real, spiritual, inner process". This is utter nonsense and easily shows itself to be so, if we only just take a brief look at the actual lives of the alchemists.

A quick squiz of the Alchemy Web by Adam Mclean should demonstrate that Hermetic Philosophers were alchemists of the soul and mind and not of metal and toxins with a curious glass apparatus or two.

They were all actively involved in working with matter - from Morienus to Nicholas Flamel to Fulcanelli.

Actually, that is incorrect. On the Alchemy Web of Adam Mclean you will find art by mystics who never messed about with metal alchemy at all.

Jacob Boehme, for example is a noted mystic alchemist. His drawings demonstrate how to transmute the energy body for the expansion of consciousness . He created a map of the celestial planes. He is much more like Robert Monroe than like a metal alchemist.

In fact, Nicholas Flamel was also a philosopher;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl154.jpg

Thurneisser was a Hermetic Mystic Alchemist
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_se ... isser.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th02.jpg

Tetrapolar Hermetic Limbs coloured as Air, Fire, Water, Earth
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th08.jpg
Subtle energy body auric layers

Mylius was a Hermetic Mystic Philosopher Alchemist . He wrote
"Philosophia Reformata",
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_mylius.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my17.jpg
MY17. Engraving 17 from, J.D. Mylius Philosophia reformata, Frankfurt, 1622
Using Fire and Air to lift the magician from heavy water body
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my01.jpg
pictoral exegesis of the Emerald Tablet
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my02.jpg
Qabalistic Cross and control of 4 Hermetic elemental energies
and another philosopher's pictoral exegesis of the ET
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal02.jpg

LaBugia was another philosopher alchemist.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_lb05.jpg
Drain the body of water dry it out to fly

Frerer was a Christian Mystic Hermetic Alchemist
In this image of the Spinal Tree of Life he illustrates the stones or energy sections of the Tree of Life ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_freher10.jpg
HeavenStone ~ supernal
MoonStone ~ head
SunStone ~ chest
EarthStone ~ belly
HelsStone ~ infernal

Just as Hermetic Alchemists today do not bother with poisons and metals or trying to make lead into gold, anciently there have been Philosophers who did not meddle with metal alchemy, either.

The Philosopher's Stone is afterall for Philosophers and this has always been the case. The Emerald Tablet, Hermetic art, Tarot Cards, The Kabballah and the Ten Step Path of the Magician are the scaffolding used today by Hermetic Philosopher Alchemists.

All were involved in studying and utilizing physical processes with physical substances in an actual, physical laboratory

Google and learn. Alchemy has been pursued by mystics without any physical laboratory workings since ancient times. For example , Rabbis who studied Kabballah did not try to spin lead into gold like Rumplestiltskin spun straw.Instead, they fasted, contemplated, meditated and studied and some of these projected as mystics. This is the alchemy of the ancients.

This is not to say that there isn't an inner, spiritual side to the work. But this "philosophical" side was always hand-in-hand with the manual labor. In fact, there is every reason to believe that they saw the manual labor as inherently spiritual and philosophical in and of itself. Our problem is that we are living in a world where science and spirituality have become divorced (although thanks to quantum physics, this is slowly being resolved), but this is only a recent fracture, stemming mostly from the impact Descartes' ideas have had in our world.

I don't think ancient Eygptians knew what a Bain Marie was. Do you ? But they did wrap the organs of the mummified into a Hermetic set of 4 ,Sons of Horus headed Canopic jars and they did have a Tree of Life and a belief in ascension of consciousness on earth and in the afterlife.

So, do we have evidence that all ancient alchemists sought to change lead to gold? Did the ancient rabbis ? Did the rishis? Did the Eleusians? No.

So, with all due respect, it is not a teaching on how to "dump" your watery and earthly nature to unite with Kether, and it is not a set of instructions on how to ascend by working with your energy body. There is absolutely nothing in the alchemical literature talking about sunstones and moonstones and earthstones in the body. These may be legitimate practices, and if they work for you, that’s awesome! But this is not what the alchemists throughout history were doing or talking about.

You type "with all due respect" as you disparage my works but you speak about "dump"s and "nonsense". I have been a Mystic Hermetic Alchemist for decades. I am 55. This is my life's major work. I have studied it exhaustively. And I am writing a series of books about it. I have written 410 pages so far but it is an ongoing process because I am learning faster than I can write it down.

A picture is worth a thousand words. These are images from Hermetic Alchemists culled from alchemical texts as displayed on Adam Mclean's Alchemy Web site; http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr1.html

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl5.jpg
This is the Tree of Life.The left pillar is the black mother and moon . The right pillar is the white father and sun.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl6.jpg
This clearly denotes the microcosm which is in the Sun in the chest of the magician
and the macrocosm to which the magician projects, out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl7.jpg
This shows the Tree of Life within the Alchemist's apparatus . Note that the air is rising from the water just as the magician does in projection by dumping the water energy with the help of the green lion which is a metal alchemists verdigris but herein is the tattwas of air and fire used to lift the magician in projection from the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl8.jpg
This is an image of the Jardin D'Alchemiste in the Higher Planes note the 4 tattwas personified on the corners. As above so below. As in heaven so on Earth. As on the earthly so in the replica superetheric plane. As on the perineum so on the crown.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl9.jpg
Manly Palmer was a Gnostic Christian, Hermetic Alchemist and Mystic. This is his work. He got his kicks above the collar and was not a metal alchemist. The human energy body is personified here; The earthstone is the cross the red earth energy in the belly, the sunstone is yellow sun and fire energy in the chest.

The MoonStone is the blue white moon and water energy in the head. Above the crown are the rose and lily as Father and Mother Father Godhead
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl291.jpg
as the Red and White Works; Opus Rubedo and Opus Albedo.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl10.jpg
This is the magician as the Hermaphrodite above the world with the help of the Green Fire. This is about Kabballah and Hermetic Alchemy and not metal.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl11.jpg
This is a depiction of the Qabalistic Cross . The evocation of 4 archangels and 4 corners, the 4 elements which was placed in the ritual of the pentagrams by Eliphas Levi two centuries later. Neither were metal alchemists.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr2.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl30.jpg
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl110.jpg
Demonstrating the tetrapolar limbs of the magician;
The right arm is fire
the left arm is water
the right leg is earth
the left leg is (clouds) air
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Tree of Life
MoonStone white lotus blossom head
SunStone yellow sun chest
EarthStone red belly
arms branches
legs roots
spine trunk

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Green Lion is a stage in metal alchemy but it is also a metaphor for the green lion is air which is hungry to eat the sun or fire. Air which is heated by Fire energy lifts the magician in projection. In circle we were taught about the green lion as mystics by archangels and other mahatma. We also learnt that the red lion eats the moon. That is that earth absorbs water and helps to flush the heavier elements out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl219.jpg
A219.Frontispiece from Kenelm Digby, Demonstratio immortalitatis animae rationalis, Frankfurt 1664.
Demonstrating the immortal animation of the mind, after death.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl57.jpg
The staff of Hermes on the body the serpent of kundalini aids the magician's ascension by climbing up the Tree of Life which is the spine like a double helix of DNA.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl71.jpg
"Peering through the cosmic sphere" I don't think that mystic is looking into a glass tube for gold , do you?

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl73.jpg
Hermes is holding a menorrah which is a very Jewish form of Tree of Life. This is Hermetic Kabballah.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl289.jpg
The Bain Marie is in the Head of the Mystic.

Finally ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl158.jpg
A158. Woodcut from Ramon Lull, Liber de ascensu et descensu intellectus, Valencia, 1512. The Book of Ascension and descension of the consciousness.A Jacob's Ladder for the alchemist.

"Yes, there are two paths you can go back but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"~ Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

More on the Emerald Tablet ;
http://forums.riverofenlightenment.com/ ... n.html#new

I don't know. I'm not saying there isn't some great stuff in this other text.
I don't know, I haven't looked at it.

[gonashvili]

The paths have numerical value each: Untanas (Three). Quertas (Four), Chietal (Five), Goyana (six), Huertal (Seven), Semveta (Eight), Ardal (Nine). Each path has also a dominant color, and significance.

Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Or at least direct me to the source? heh thanks


Btw, I'm intrigued by the idea that these 7 lords are bogus
but still, it (their descriptions and direct quotes] sound umm..... logical/wise

[IA56]

It is natural and necessary to view new experiences based upon what is already known and understood, this is called metasynthesis and it is an aspect of mature learning. It is not "muddling"about.



But, if someone would have taken the time and effort to read eclectically about the Emerald Tablets they would certainly have discerned that Alchemy has branches of plant, metal and Hermetic Magick.

Hermetic Alchemy is an ancient mystical path having a basis in the ancient cultures in ; Egypt , India, Greece, Middle East , Asia, Europe et cetera .



The Bible is a sacred text although there is written within one of its books what has been called the 'Biblical Emerald Tablet', the Emerald Tablet itself is not a sacred text.

The Emerald Tablet is a few lines of cryptic text which demonstrates a Hermetic method for the magician to complete;

*the Little Work aka Opus Minus aka Work of the Moon to manifest Akasha

* the Great Work aka Magnum Opus aka Work of the Sun to manifest golden fire energy aka Sun or Amoris. http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal17.jpg

* and the culmination of the Emerald Works which manifests a noble Air energy to begin projection of consciousness to the Higher Planes, Kether, the Elohimic Realms and further Alchemical Ascension.
The Emerald Tablet is about Hermetic Philosopher Ascension Alchemy and not about Metal Alchemy.



The Emerald Tablet is not sacred. It is merely one text used by Hermetic Alchemists whom are not of any particular religion. Jews, Muslims and Christians have completed the Alchemical Works so have pagans, and wiccans et cetera. Each culture has been able to climb the Tree of Life. Each culture can complete the Emerald Tablet, too.



That ONE "Legitimate Alchemy" does not exist and never did. But Plant and Herb Alchemy, Metal Alchemy and Hermetic Alchemy do exist. Alchemy is a transmutational pathworking concerning changing the base nature to a sublime one.

Metal Alchemy is based upon searching for a way to change lead to gold.

Hermetic Alchemy is based upon finding a way to manifest the alchemical Moon and Sun within the human energy body, to attain henios and to build up the light quotient of the human energy body from base primitive unaware man in the leaden state to a state of golden enlightenment and self realization. It involves the evocation of the 4 archangels or the 5 helpers http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/bonus11.jpg
and the control of the 5 tattwas of the ancient Hindu Sacred Texts.

It is the synthesis, amalgamation and integration of eclectic sacred texts and alchemical texts of this world met in reading and contemplation and in the next as met in meditation, mysticism and projection. Kabballah is one example of a spiritual pathworking towards ascension , the Emerald Tablet is another.



That's because it isn't wrong, at all. It is the definition of the practice. Ascension of the consciousness, enlightenment and self realization is the reason for Hermetic Alchemy.



Please elucidate that "specificity of the tradition itself" .



A quick squiz of the Alchemy Web by Adam Mclean should demonstrate that Hermetic Philosophers were alchemists of the soul and mind and not of metal and toxins with a curious glass apparatus or two.



Actually, that is incorrect. On the Alchemy Web of Adam Mclean you will find art by mystics who never messed about with metal alchemy at all.

Jacob Boehme, for example is a noted mystic alchemist. His drawings demonstrate how to transmute the energy body for the expansion of consciousness . He created a map of the celestial planes. He is much more like Robert Monroe than like a metal alchemist.

In fact, Nicholas Flamel was also a philosopher;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl154.jpg

Thurneisser was a Hermetic Mystic Alchemist
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_se ... isser.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th02.jpg

Tetrapolar Hermetic Limbs coloured as Air, Fire, Water, Earth
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_th08.jpg
Subtle energy body auric layers

Mylius was a Hermetic Mystic Philosopher Alchemist . He wrote
"Philosophia Reformata",
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/prints_series_mylius.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my17.jpg
MY17. Engraving 17 from, J.D. Mylius Philosophia reformata, Frankfurt, 1622
Using Fire and Air to lift the magician from heavy water body
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my01.jpg
pictoral exegesis of the Emerald Tablet
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_my02.jpg
Qabalistic Cross and control of 4 Hermetic elemental energies
and another philosopher's pictoral exegesis of the ET
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/atal02.jpg

LaBugia was another philosopher alchemist.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_lb05.jpg
Drain the body of water dry it out to fly

Frerer was a Christian Mystic Hermetic Alchemist
In this image of the Spinal Tree of Life he illustrates the stones or energy sections of the Tree of Life ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl_freher10.jpg
HeavenStone ~ supernal
MoonStone ~ head
SunStone ~ chest
EarthStone ~ belly
HelsStone ~ infernal

Just as Hermetic Alchemists today do not bother with poisons and metals or trying to make lead into gold, anciently there have been Philosophers who did not meddle with metal alchemy, either.

The Philosopher's Stone is afterall for Philosophers and this has always been the case. The Emerald Tablet, Hermetic art, Tarot Cards, The Kabballah and the Ten Step Path of the Magician are the scaffolding used today by Hermetic Philosopher Alchemists.



Google and learn. Alchemy has been pursued by mystics without any physical laboratory workings since ancient times. For example , Rabbis who studied Kabballah did not try to spin lead into gold like Rumplestiltskin spun straw.Instead, they fasted, contemplated, meditated and studied and some of these projected as mystics. This is the alchemy of the ancients.



I don't think ancient Eygptians knew what a Bain Marie was. Do you ? But they did wrap the organs of the mummified into a Hermetic set of 4 ,Sons of Horus headed Canopic jars and they did have a Tree of Life and a belief in ascension of consciousness on earth and in the afterlife.

So, do we have evidence that all ancient alchemists sought to change lead to gold? Did the ancient rabbis ? Did the rishis? Did the Eleusians? No.


You type "with all due respect" as you disparage my works but you speak about "dump"s and "nonsense". I have been a Mystic Hermetic Alchemist for decades. I am 55. This is my life's major work. I have studied it exhaustively. And I am writing a series of books about it. I have written 410 pages so far but it is an ongoing process because I am learning faster than I can write it down.

A picture is worth a thousand words. These are images from Hermetic Alchemists culled from alchemical texts as displayed on Adam Mclean's Alchemy Web site; http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr1.html

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl5.jpg
This is the Tree of Life.The left pillar is the black mother and moon . The right pillar is the white father and sun.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl6.jpg
This clearly denotes the microcosm which is in the Sun in the chest of the magician
and the macrocosm to which the magician projects, out of the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl7.jpg
This shows the Tree of Life within the Alchemist's apparatus . Note that the air is rising from the water just as the magician does in projection by dumping the water energy with the help of the green lion which is a metal alchemists verdigris but herein is the tattwas of air and fire used to lift the magician in projection from the body.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl8.jpg
This is an image of the Jardin D'Alchemiste in the Higher Planes note the 4 tattwas personified on the corners. As above so below. As in heaven so on Earth. As on the earthly so in the replica superetheric plane. As on the perineum so on the crown.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl9.jpg
Manly Palmer was a Gnostic Christian, Hermetic Alchemist and Mystic. This is his work. He got his kicks above the collar and was not a metal alchemist. The human energy body is personified here; The earthstone is the cross the red earth energy in the belly, the sunstone is yellow sun and fire energy in the chest.

The MoonStone is the blue white moon and water energy in the head. Above the crown are the rose and lily as Father and Mother Father Godhead
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl291.jpg
as the Red and White Works; Opus Rubedo and Opus Albedo.

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl10.jpg
This is the magician as the Hermaphrodite above the world with the help of the Green Fire. This is about Kabballah and Hermetic Alchemy and not metal.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl11.jpg
This is a depiction of the Qabalistic Cross . The evocation of 4 archangels and 4 corners, the 4 elements which was placed in the ritual of the pentagrams by Eliphas Levi two centuries later. Neither were metal alchemists.
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/amclglr2.html
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl30.jpg
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl110.jpg
Demonstrating the tetrapolar limbs of the magician;
The right arm is fire
the left arm is water
the right leg is earth
the left leg is (clouds) air
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Tree of Life
MoonStone white lotus blossom head
SunStone yellow sun chest
EarthStone red belly
arms branches
legs roots
spine trunk

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl45.jpg
The Green Lion is a stage in metal alchemy but it is also a metaphor for the green lion is air which is hungry to eat the sun or fire. Air which is heated by Fire energy lifts the magician in projection. In circle we were taught about the green lion as mystics by archangels and other mahatma. We also learnt that the red lion eats the moon. That is that earth absorbs water and helps to flush the heavier elements out of the body.

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A219.Frontispiece from Kenelm Digby, Demonstratio immortalitatis animae rationalis, Frankfurt 1664.
Demonstrating the immortal animation of the mind, after death.

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The staff of Hermes on the body the serpent of kundalini aids the magician's ascension by climbing up the Tree of Life which is the spine like a double helix of DNA.

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"Peering through the cosmic sphere" I don't think that mystic is looking into a glass tube for gold , do you?

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Hermes is holding a menorrah which is a very Jewish form of Tree of Life. This is Hermetic Kabballah.

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The Bain Marie is in the Head of the Mystic.

Finally ;
http://www.alchemywebsite.com/images/amcl158.jpg
A158. Woodcut from Ramon Lull, Liber de ascensu et descensu intellectus, Valencia, 1512. The Book of Ascension and descension of the consciousness.A Jacob's Ladder for the alchemist.

"Yes, there are two paths you can go back but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on"~ Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin.

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Hi Aunt Claire,
I put my hand´s togeather for you, and I mean it for real, not being ironical or els.
If you remember I did PM you for long time ago about how you can remember everything so well, I was so impressed by your knowledge, you never did give me any answere and I am very patience because I know that I will get my answeres in time, only waite and see....And now the ansere has come....and I use your own words....you have studied into exhaution....and you have...you have studied and then pratic and when the study and practis meet there is a staying knowledge left....heureka....or what it is called
I am totally in awe of you work well done....I bow me for you in respect.

I am damaged by my childhood by having a direct contact to some-one who has guided and educated me...this ONE did tell me when I was a child...no need to study any book´s because the knowledge will be old and to no use for the most part...and I did never open my school book´s so my mother did always wonder why I never had home work as my sister had so much....I did not have high scores only averige...and there fore I never got to be what I wanted as a young women....so I have always had work and bean suporting me and my child with own work...The only time I have studied was when I did become a feet care taker and I did get the highest possible numbers, so by this I know I can understand a written text so to speak.

But what I am trying to tell is...that you Aunt C is incredible well studied women...I salute you!! and then you have own experience and all this turnes into knowledge....Well done!!

I will now ask you openly...Have I bean able to be clear if you remeber my PM to you what you never responded to...that you might have thought I was sarcatic or doubting your knowing?? I thought I felt this to be this way, and it was why I never tried to write or to ask several time´s about this issue.
You did not eighder never accepted my friend call, it is okay...So this time I do not ask anyone to be my friend...I love you all and I am everyone´s friend no matter what
This time I have only asked Robert and sended him a friend request, and I understand that he can not respond to that, because then he has to respond to everyone els too....and I think he has made up his mind to be friend with few only, it is okay...I am happy to have deep understanding and as I also must have the right to choose my friends so this goes both way´s...

Now I have emty my chest...and feel free

I hope I will be right understood, if not ...ah well...in time I will be

Love
ia

[gonashvili]

anyways, did anyone tried his 'cure' for fatigue/vitality (the laying on the floor for two hrs one)

[CFTraveler]

Can you please elaborate on this a bit? Or at least direct me to the source? heh thanks


Btw, I'm intrigued by the idea that these 7 lords are bogus
but still, it (their descriptions and direct quotes] sound umm..... logical/wise

Since someone decided to revive this thread three years later for some reason, I'll answer the question-
First of all, this has nothing at all to do with my beliefs regarding the emerald tablet, I was merely answering the OP's question regarding the names she quoted, as she was looking for info regarding this.
As the original link to the info is broken, I did another search and found this, which reads pretty similarly to the article I found originally.
http://www.alchemylab.com/thothtablets0.htm

As you can see, it is about the tablets, and the specific references to these characters are in the key of magic of said article.

--Please let's keep this civil.

[ButterflyWoman]

Since someone decided to revive this thread three years later for some reason

Apparently, just to be argumentative?