Mind Machines and the Brain Wave Generator

**Superluminal76** · 13th August 2009, 04:25 PM

A certain drug called DMT is banned, and the drug's chemical is also found inside the brain. So even if there are problems with the laws I'm sure they'll figure out something if they wanted to.

From what I know, the ability is inside someone and the knowledge is inside someone once they learn it but first it has to be taught to them and that comes from the outside. For example Robert Bruce's books. These are outside sources.

Yes, the power is what I mean. Knowledge and all its derivatives was what I was talking about. I guess since they're all connected I just used the term knowledge to talk about it.

One way they could ban these spiritual powers is to outlaw their practice and teaching. Sounds extreme, but I wouldn't put anything above people who want to maintain their power structure.

In India certain types of Yoga were illegal to teach to certain castes. So that's another example.

Since these things are immense powers, they can be seen as a threat; and that's what I'm basing my argument on.

And let's not forget that magic was banned in certain countries in Europe where also many of its practitioners were killed.

In my opinion, even in free societies such as America, you don't have any rights or freedom unless you yourself can guarantee it with power.

**CFTraveler** · 13th August 2009, 04:40 PM

Originally Posted by Superluminal76

A certain drug called DMT is banned, and the drug's chemical is also found inside the brain. So even if there are problems with the laws I'm sure they'll figure out something if they wanted to.

From what I know, the ability is inside someone and the knowledge is inside someone once they learn it but first it has to be taught to them and that comes from the outside. For example Robert Bruce's books. These are outside sources.

DMT is used everytime you dream. Manmade DMT is banned, dreaming isn't. Books are external, the knowledge gleaned came from within.

One way they could ban these spiritual powers is to outlaw their practice and teaching. Sounds extreme, but I wouldn't put anything above people who want to maintain their power structure.

Like I said before, these practices and teachings are at the basis of religion. To be able to ban them, they would have to ban religion also- the communist regimes tried that, and see how it worked for them.

In India certain types of Yoga were illegal to teach to certain castes. So that's another example.

But that is about the caste system itself, not about the purported desire to suppress all spiritual thinking.

Since these things are immense powers, they can be seen as a threat; and that's what I'm basing my argument on.

And what I'm saying is that they could only be considered immense if only some people had them- but we all have the potential to develop, therefore the practical uses for them becomes moot.

And let's not forget that magic was banned in certain countries in Europe where also many of its practitioners were killed.

Once again, this was a case of one ideology vs. another, and not the elimination of all of it. While pagans were killed, christian mystics were reaching the epitome of their practices. It's the same practice, with a different name.

Sure, in a free society we always run the risk of losing our freedom, but I don't think at the end of the day repressive structures are going to go after 'esoteric studies', when they're busy getting at the arts and literature and politics of the place. Sure, a completely repressive society exists and is possible, but things like AP, which can be performed without gadgets, can't be suppressed- the politician who cares if I AP when I sleep or not is a pretty crappy politician if he's going to worry about me.

The truth is that anything is possible, but I prefer to worry about other things.

**Superluminal76** · 13th August 2009, 05:02 PM

Yes, anything is possible, and I guess I shouldn't worry about it either. Until that is if it becomes an issue.

Thanks for your input.

**CFTraveler** · 13th August 2009, 05:48 PM

BTW, please let us know how you like your Mind Machine, I'm curious about it.

**Superluminal76** · 13th August 2009, 06:24 PM

Sure.

I am a little skeptical about it, but somewhat confident it'll work because of my own experience with the lights and sound at the trance club and from what I've read about it on this forum and off.

**CFTraveler** · 13th August 2009, 06:51 PM

I'm curious as to whether it strobes, or it's more like a 'relaxation' thing.

**Superluminal76** · 13th August 2009, 08:48 PM

Here is the link to their website: http://www.mindplace.com/

On the website they say that their mind machines can induce a deep dreamless sleep and also a trance state.

The dreamless sleep is similar if not the same as what Robert Bruce calls trance. I'm not sure yet if that's the case but I think it is. Anyways, you would know.

Just wanted to provide the link.

**CFTraveler** · 14th August 2009, 01:07 AM

Yes, trance is the liminal state in which your brainwaves are in theta, and hypnagogic images are seen when in deep trance (deep theta.) So it's all more or less synonymous.