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Sinera
20th March 2011, 12:53 PM
Recently, I had a kind of breakthrough (hip hip hooray :lol: !). Due to a new method (better: strategy with a bundle of measures) which I developed for myself, I now get lucid and can 'project' more often. Recently, I had exits 3 nights in a row ... wow... a new age has dawned :wink: ... The new method really seems to hold! 8) It is a great relief for me after a very long period of drought.

Hence, my lucid adventures will hopefully become more frequent from now on and therefore I decided to put them here in one thread instead of making threads for selected topical adventures in the way I do it in the dream subforum with regard to my ongoing 'programming project'. So rejoice, my dear AP fellows, here it will all be concentrated into this one thread. :mrgreen:

Something about the title: I do not distinguish generally between Lucid Dreams, OBEs (RTZ-projections) and Astral/Mental projections. Even if I tried to make categories, I couldn't do it, it is a fluent continuum and sometimes it is impossible anyway. I differentiate between "normal" dreams (non-lucid adventures) and "lucid adventures". So I have more or less Kurt Leland's approach who also says it is all 'adventures in consciousness' in his newest book.

So the real dividing line between posting in this sub-forum and in the Dreaming-forum (mostly about programming) is the following criterion: Lucidity, and lucidity alone.

That is why I gave my journal here the name "Luci-D-iary" (prevailing against "AstraLog" as a close second :wink: ). Here, it contains lucid or at least 'partially' lucid adventures (the latter of which, for example, also includes False Awakenings, which happen quite often for me in the proximity of fully lucid adventures). I call the experiences thus "lucidventure" (or as a variant: "lucadventure"). You see, I like playing with words as I like playing with my consciousness. :)

Logically, as before, completely non-lucid experiences such as programmed dreams will be posted in the Dreaming forum. This makes the most sense to me. However, sometimes I need to mention non-lucid dreams here out of which lucid adventures developed to provide the necessary narrative consistency of the events and developments.

Although it is tempting to give accounts of my very recent (luc)adventures, I want to try to keep a little chronology here and start out with some selected (and for me most important) 'lucidventures' of the past. Don't worry, it won't be too many. :lol:

You see, this first post is just the "intro". I will post each 'lucadventure' in a separate post. (First one to follow soon).

Of course, any comments are very welcome here! Maybe you had similar experiences or you can answer some of the questions, mysteries and problems I write about here. Looking forward to your commentaries here. :)

heliac
20th March 2011, 02:07 PM
Great intro!

What happened when you exited three nights in a row?

poème
20th March 2011, 06:20 PM
Great into, indeed... And I like your journal's title! :wink:


Due to a new method (better: strategy with a bundle of measures) which I developed for myself, I now get lucid and can 'project' more often.
Could you tell us more about this method? Perhaps I (or someone else who happens to read this) could use the same method or slighlty adapt it... :wink:



Something about the title: I do not distinguish generally between Lucid Dreams, OBEs (RTZ-projections) and Astral/Mental projections. Even if I tried to make categories, I couldn't do it, it is a fluent continuum and sometimes it is impossible anyway. I differentiate between "normal" dreams (non-lucid adventures) and "lucid adventures". So I have more or less Kurt Leland's approach who also says it is all 'adventures in consciousness' in his newest book.

So the real dividing line between posting in this sub-forum and in the Dreaming-forum (mostly about programming) is the following criterion: Lucidity, and lucidity alone.

I'm totally with you (and with Kurt Leland) on that.. I have a hard time figuring out what is what, but I do distinguish different qualities of dreams (or experiences, or adventures in counsciousness). Lucidity is a good criteria, I think :)

Sinera
20th March 2011, 06:50 PM
Great intro!
Thanks. :)

What happened when you exited three nights in a row?
Looking at my notes, I can say that 2 of these events are actually worth mentioning here, and so I will. But as I said above, please bear with me for a while, until I get to write on these. I first want to write on (at least) a few 'landmark lucidventures' of my past, starting this journal thus in chronological order.
The first experience posted here will be about my very first adventure (as adult, I have a dim childhood memory of a lucid "exit", but it is too vague and thus not worth mentioning here). It is, however, also a bit 'lengthy' again - sorry! :oops: - and takes time to write, so again, please bear with me. (I can already say, it is a truly special one, and not only because it was the first one, but due to specific reasons and circumstances it is completely different from the rest of "APs" that followed it - as you will easily see why that is so when I am through with writing it. ...*creates suspense* :roll: :wink:... )


Great into, indeed... And I like your journal's title! :wink:
Thanks again. :)


Due to a new method (better: strategy with a bundle of measures) which I developed for myself, I now get lucid and can 'project' more often.
Could you tell us more about this method? Perhaps I (or someone else who happens to read this) could use the same method or slighlty adapt it... :wink:
Yes, of course, I can do so. I don't know if I will make a post of it here or in the other OBE (Res. & Disc.) thread, as it seems more apt there because it is also about methods. But maybe I will also mention it here instead (it is a bundle of measures, thus a bit more to write, so it takes some time, too).

Sinera
25th March 2011, 10:06 PM
23/Sep/2009
Near Death Experience (Or So)

This was my first involuntary (as you might have guessed by the title already :roll: ) 'lucidventure'. And eventually it is the event that brought me on the path of APing, and - last not least - also brought me here into forums and communities of like-minded people just as this one.

This event might be categorised by some as a 'classic' OBE taking place within the larger frame of a "kind of" NDE, but not quite, as you will see below.

In September 2009, I went to the hospital for a necessary rectification of the nasal septum. It is a harmless everyday routine operation done generally for respiratory health improvement (no, it's nothing cosmetic! :wink: ). Nevertheless, this surgery demands a full narcosis and the tracheal intubation and mechanical ventilation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracheal_intubation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mechanical_ventilation), which means your air system gets paralysed so you don't breathe for yourself anymore.

I remember the preliminaries well, including being brought into the surgery anteroom and having to wait there, already a bit sedated in the hospital bed. Then a small-talk with the surgeon. Then into the surgery, being lifted onto the table by the staff, getting all the medical gear on your arms and being put to the machines, then s.o. put the breathing mask over my face from behind, telling me to take 1-2 deep breaths, and so was falling asleep after a few seconds. All routine. Business as usual.

Official medical and scientific theory says that under controlled anasthesia you are supposed to be in 'deep sleep' and only gain consciousness a long time after surgery again in the wake-up/recovery room.

So much for the theory. :lol:

I gained consciousness. I was lying in a bed. (So far, so good, according to theory...). But it was the bed of my childhood room. So I thought for a few seconds. Then I corrected my mistake after a while. I saw machines, gadgets. Immediately I knew where I was again. I was in the surgery.
I was not lying on the table. I seemed to be hovering - a bit above my (physical) head, as it seemed. I was at my "head side" but it seemed that I was a bit more lifted, I however don't remember seeing my body at all (I never looked there, though). I saw everything in colours - so vivid, intense, vibrant, warm and lush - colours that I never saw before (and never after, so far!) on Earth. I just looked from the left side (with all the gadgets) to the right where I saw the chief surgeon doing some routine measure on a kind of handlebar (as it seemed, but don't know exactly what it was) next to or at the side of the operating table.

But there was more: I read his thoughts!

And even that is not enough to describe it, because maybe I actually "was him" in that short moment, too. I was expressing sth to me - the guy on the table - which I also was - strange, huh?. What "he" "said" was this (not in words or literally - just in a seemingly telepathic expression, an entire instant thought bundle directed towards me, and coming from me alike - yeah, I know how that's weird ... It wasn't words to be heard or even grasped, just information entangled with feeling/emotion. I only paraphrase it here, clad into words, to convey the meaning (emotionally as well as content-related):

"Hey, everything's alright, chap, don't worry, it worked well and we are ready now."

But actually, I was far from being worried anyway!

I was in an UTTER STATE OF BLISS :lol: :P :lol: like never before in my life.

It must somehow be what the mystics talk about. Ultimate well-being, vibrant with life and happiness, it is beyond expression, it is not happiness we experience as humans, not even when drugged (I suppose). The vivid unearthly colours seemed to envigorate (but on the other hand also be an expression of my) permanent joy, too. And one more thing: It felt like home. I cannot express it better. It's this feeling of being home, secure, in the right place at the right time - all as the ultimate expression of happiness. I felt "home" in spite of still receiving the 'visual' input from the surgery. That is bliss. Home. Also Love, of course. But in the end, there was and is no difference between the two for me. Love is Home. Home is Love.

Unfortunately (for me then) it did not last too long. The whole scene took (in my perception) only a few seconds. Then the situation changed and my perception / consciousness switched to a completely different scene, but still in the surgery.
The bliss was gone. There was only soberness and neutrality. Nothing negative, but nothing positive either. The colours were gone, too. The picture I saw was blurry, like a big-pixled graphic movie with low resolution. The colours rather dull and neutral.
And my position was changed. I was hovering a little above but much further away, almost at level with the heads of the medical staff in height, but approx. 6-8 metres off. I would even not discount the fact that I 'saw it all through a wall'. The scene was quite mundane. The surgery team around the table and the chief surgeon bending over towards the patient (me?) and moving something there. Not more, nothing spectacular. No mind-reading, colours, bliss, clear vision ... all gone. This scene also lasted for a few seconds only.

Then it was over. I was there where I should have been after 'falling asleep', in the wake-up room . I heard a nurse in this room telling me in a loud voice to breathe through my mouth - of course I had to, since the nose was full of stuff (tubes and medical dressing material) from the surgery.

Comments / Afterthoughts

A few days later, I got to ask the surgeon if there were complications with my operation. His answer was a predictable no. But he almost became a bit tight-lipped and was suddenly pressed for time when I brought forward the topic of my narcosis. I also had heavy and large bruises on my right arm. Asking nurses and the visiting doctor (1 day after the surgery) about this resulted then in statements such as "this can happen" (possibly from those tightened monitor armbands you get put on, so they told me).

Anyway, I don't think I was "really" in danger of losing my life, so it was not a 'real' NDE at all, moreover since I did not experience one of the other usual elements (tunnel to another dimension, life review, meeting with angels, relatives etc.).
However, this marvellous Total-Bliss-Experience indicates to me that it wasn't a "usual AP"-experience either, which I can now in hindsight confirm with some more 'astral experience' gathered in the meantime. I now assume that I could have been in a "higher" spiritual body then. Or probably a guide was with me and giving me this experience of "love" and security, and bliss?

Another assumption regarding the cause: As you stop breathing for yourself, maybe your subconscious or body/cell/atomic consciousness gets aware of the missing vital activity and you feel like you are dying a "little" or "partial death". That is of course just a wild hypothesis to explain what exactly triggered my out-of-body and mystical experience.

I also wonder about the 2nd scene so completely different. Was the surgeon already attendig to another patient and I really was 'remote viewing' this (already from the recovery room)?. Or - if it was me on the table - was this scene taking place even before the other one, as it looked like the first scene was the end of the surgery while the second scene seemed to show a surgery still under way. So probably I just remembered / experienced them in reverse order (and what is time in these experiences anyway? :P ).

Well, I guess I might have to wait til this lifetime of mine has ended until I receive the final and assured answers to these questions.

Another interesting thing (in hindsight): the anticipation of my "astral portal": the childhood room that only recently became a kind of "leitmotif" for many of my lucadventures (you will see in following adventures that it pops up again and again). Only until I read my notes again recently, I had almost forgotten that it 'featured' already in this first landmark lucidventure.

More to come.

CFTraveler
26th March 2011, 04:36 PM
I'm pretty sure it was a legitimate NDE, and he denied it to avoid a lawsuit. I've had surgery a few times, and it's always been a complete loss of 'existence', the only times in my life I've felt it so. Even the last time when I tried to OBE while in surgery- I didn't- the drugs made me 'stop existing' for a time, it's so weird.

poème
27th March 2011, 03:58 PM
I'm pretty sure it was a legitimate NDE, and he denied it to avoid a lawsuit. I've had surgery a few times, and it's always been a complete loss of 'existence', the only times in my life I've felt it so.
I agree. I've had one surgery so far, but it felt the same : a complete void!



I saw everything in colours - so vivid, intense, vibrant, warm and lush - colours that I never saw before (and never after, so far!) on Earth. (...)
But there was more: I read his thoughts! And even that is not enough to describe it, because maybe I actually "was him" in that short moment, too. (...)
It wasn't words to be heard or even grasped, just information entangled with feeling/emotion. (...)
I was in an UTTER STATE OF BLISS :lol: :P :lol: like never before in my life. (...)


Considering this, it's very (very!) likely that you were in a higher state of consciousness. I am no expert, but it seems to me that when one is in a higher state of consciouness, the closer one is to the source, a source of love. This would explain this wonderful feeling you had!
Also, it seems that the barriers one usually has when experiencing «reality» through a denser body were partly gone in your case : you shared this surgeon's thoughts, and even more, you «felt» you were him. It makes sense to me that this happens when «reality» is experienced through a less dense body that filters less, and has less boundaries between its «self» and the other «selves», therefore, it's like experiencing, partly, what is shared with everyone, what it is like, partly, to be one.



I gained consciousness. I was lying in a bed. (So far, so good, according to theory...). But it was the bed of my childhood room. (...)
And one more thing: It felt like home. (...)
The childhood room may have symbolized that you were home, indeed :wink:

Sinera
27th March 2011, 06:08 PM
I'm pretty sure it was a legitimate NDE, and he denied it to avoid a lawsuit.
Well, could be. I cannot prove anything. Still, (as funny as it might sound now), if it was, I am even a bit grateful to him. :lol:
And after all... he got me back in the end! :)


I've had surgery a few times, and it's always been a complete loss of 'existence', the only times in my life I've felt it so. Even the last time when I tried to OBE while in surgery- I didn't- the drugs made me 'stop existing' for a time, it's so weird.
But how about 'normal' deep sleep? Is it a different feeling for you? I think there I also 'lose' a lot of time which I cannot attribute to anything. However I think I know what you mean. Even if we slept a long and dreamless sleep we have the feeling that time has passed, and it not so with complete anesthesia. I can confirm this! Except for the 'mystic/NDE interlude' described above, I cannot assert any feeling or concept of time passed between the moment I got the breathing mask put on my face and the moment of waking up in the recovery room.

I still don't (like to) think that we can even ever "lose" existence, I think it's just the memory of the experience of the time passed. I think that events and states such of "un"consciousness due to traumatic accidents, narcosis, coma or the near-death of our bodies cause our higher mind to "leave the focus and/or body" completely and to reunite with our higher self or dwell in higher realms (and why shouldn't we? There's nothing else to "do" after all :wink: ). When we then "get back" (wake up) again, it is because for us "no time" has passed, since in higher regions there is no (Earth) time. We do a kind of 'time leap' then, because we as consciousness really weren't "here now" for the time interval, just our body, so we leave at point A and come back at point B to 'resume our life work' after the molecular body engine 'starts up' again (similar thing with sleep, possibly).

Just theory, makes sense?

Sinera
27th March 2011, 06:11 PM
I saw everything in colours - so vivid, intense, vibrant, warm and lush - colours that I never saw before (and never after, so far!) on Earth. (...) But there was more: I read his thoughts! And even that is not enough to describe it, because maybe I actually "was him" in that short moment, too. (...) It wasn't words to be heard or even grasped, just information entangled with feeling/emotion. (...) I was in an UTTER STATE OF BLISS :lol: :P :lol: like never before in my life. (...)
Considering this, it's very (very!) likely that you were in a higher state of consciousness. I am no expert, but it seems to me that when one is in a higher state of consciouness, the closer one is to the source, a source of love. This would explain this wonderful feeling you had!
Also, it seems that the barriers one usually has when experiencing «reality» through a denser body were partly gone in your case : you shared this surgeon's thoughts, and even more, you «felt» you were him. It makes sense to me that this happens when «reality» is experienced through a less dense body that filters less, and has less boundaries between its «self» and the other «selves», therefore, it's like experiencing, partly, what is shared with everyone, what it is like, partly, to be one.
I wonder WHAT kind of body (according to e.g. Yogic or Theosophic theory it could have been) that was with such 'abilties'. It still must be a body that is able to "manifest" on the physical/astral plane (as I still - and only - saw the surgery). Causal, buddhic? I would like to ask Kurt Leland about his view on this but it seems he is no longer in this forum now. He also talked about bliss-experience in higher bodies, but he (and the Theosophists) says that the higher of them not usually "worked on" or "went down" to the lower planes.

CFTraveler
27th March 2011, 06:56 PM
He comes and goes. If you want to catch his eye just send him a pm.

poème
29th March 2011, 01:56 PM
I wonder WHAT kind of body (according to e.g. Yogic or Theosophic theory it could have been) that was with such 'abilties'. It still must be a body that is able to "manifest" on the physical/astral plane (as I still - and only - saw the surgery). Causal, buddhic? I would like to ask Kurt Leland about his view on this but it seems he is no longer in this forum now. He also talked about bliss-experience in higher bodies, but he (and the Theosophists) says that the higher of them not usually "worked on" or "went down" to the lower planes.

You did say «usually»… Surely, one would not usually use a car to go to the corner store if it’s a 5 minutes walk. But let’s say you need to go somewhere else, somewhere much farther, because you think you have an important appointment that day, you might take your car then (or a train, or a plane...) :lol:…before realizing that you need to go back after all, since you learnt that the appointment was postponed meanwhile... :wink:

More seriously, as for what kind of body that was... Again, I'm not an expert, but surely it's possible to have a «mixed» experience combining «abilities»of two types of bodies, or more likely, combining caracteristics of one type of body on another type of plane, etc. Actually, Kurt Leland do say that something like that is possible (as for the different body on a different plane), and Robert Bruce do mention that some experiences appear to be «mixed».

CFTraveler
29th March 2011, 05:13 PM
Yes, he has said that in many of his works. I believe he does say it in Multidimensional Human.

Korpo
31st March 2011, 04:31 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Regarding bliss - according to Kurt bliss manifests most strongly when you get much closer to Source than you usually are. That is one way to experience bliss or even ecstacy. It fits very well with your surprise at the vividness of everything.

The inner senses most prominently active in this experience are probably vibrational touch (the communication) and immersion (the intense vividness of the experience).

One possible explanation could be that you never before had experienced your astral body so vividly, fully immersed and with that degree of lucidity. The information exchange with the other person hints at the astral body - you describe it as if feeling/emotion was the "carrier medium" of that exchange.

The ability to exchange information through feel/think (how Kurt calls it, NVC in Monroe-speak) expands during developing the astral, mental and causal bodies. It's an unfolding. With the mental body you learn to translate exchanges into pictures, and with the causal body you absorb the information in a more direct way. Think of Robert Monroe and his ROTEs. They demonstrate his increasing ability to absorb and understand instantaneous information exchanges. Kurt classified that level as mental and causal in the introduction to his new book. That would be taking the vibrational touch to the next level and developing the information sense.

The second scene could have been a switch to another energy body - with less active inner senses. This would explain the strong contrast with the earlier experience - grainy vision, less input from the inner senses. I wouldn't exclude that this could have been the etheric body. The bodies need not be developed equally. I think the quality of not caring either way has also been reported from NDEs. Usually the bliss comes afterward, so you might be right about the order of recall.

So, in total my first guess would be you were in your etheric and astral bodies. The astral body is a very powerful vehicle which allows for rich and detailed experiences, but it depends on its development and the degree of immersion. When you have lucid dreams, you usually have a well-developed astral body to begin with.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
31st March 2011, 09:32 PM
Korpo, yes, etheric body for the second scene could indeed make sense, it cannot move far from the physical body - 'astral cord length' they say?

Thanks so far to all of you for your comments.

The next instalment will be my first deliberate exit success - and I can promise there are some other nuts to crack, too :lol: . Looking forward to your views on that one, too.

Sinera
1st April 2011, 02:39 PM
21/Nov/2009
First Exit (Brutal Spine-Waves, Kundalini?)

Mid-November, two months on, what had happened in the meantime? Well, not much. But I read a book. :)

Only a week after the surgery, I browsed Amazon and probably by some (divine? / higher self?) intuition instead of searching for books on NDE, which would only have been understandable and which I also did at later points in time, I typed 'out-of-body' into the search field. (Btw, Astral Projection was not a term I knew a lot about then, I heard it but did not even relate it to OBE, but rather to sth like dreams, a kind of clairvoyance or even meditation (all of which is not even entirely wrong, of course).)
Almost naturally, Buhlman's book "Adventures Beyond The Body" (in German it is even "Out Of Body") came first. I bought it and read it. I was absolutely astounded how "simple" it seemed to be and that you could really "walk" through your living room as a non-physical being, and all that not just when you were "near death".

I did the induction exercises (combined visualisation/tactile practice and affirmation). Only after a few days of finishing the book and starting the practice, very early I had those talked about "energy sensations" during the night: I heard strange sounds, remember a lifted stiff arm (I think Buhlman also mentions it in a list of possible 'events') and had inner 'energetic' jumps and movements - all while in bed sleeping or in hypnagogia or when waking up from it. I knew now I was in for more.

This lucadventure might be categorised as a very classic RTZ-OBE. However, and that makes it interesting, it is 'framed' by a lucid dream conversion and a postlude False Awakening (semi-lucid) dream. So we have 3 'classics' in one pack. (After an NDE-type experience 2 months prior to this, I now already had received a huge bag of non-physical experience ... not so bad for a first-timer, huh? :wink: )

1) Dream Conversion

I dream that I am flying a familiar street of my old hometown uphill, approx. 3 metres above the ground, which leads to the street of my parent's home. In physical life, I have went and cycled (as child and schoolboy) and later driven it up with my car countless times.
However, suddenly one thing really strikes me then. Not the fact that I am flying. It is rather the fact of HOW I am flying. I am making swimming movements (breaststroke). I notice that this is so utterly stupid and funny alike. Why am I SWIMMING through the air instead of 'normally' flying? At this very instant, this observation literally TRIGGERS my exit sensations, and something starts that I will never in my life forget.

2) Out-Of-Body exit / RTZ-projection

The view changes drastically. I am lucid. And I see the ceiling of my bedroom. Strange thing is that the room appears to be with the light on. I see everything clearly. I am lying on the back (unusual for me) and I also see one arm lifted (again!). It is stiff, I cannot move it, it is fixed up in the air. I also don't really feel it, it is like an alien part or an artificial limb attached to my (otherwise also paralysed but still 'felt') body. But I also don't want to change anything about it.. I want out and I know it has started now. "It" is, besides my new view, the 'energy sensations' I feel.

However they are NOT the famous 'vibrations' at all. I did not know these vibrations then. Only later I did. Today, I know them well, of course, and I can say that this was VERY VERY different! Those WERE NO VIBRATIONS at all!

Sorry if this bores you now a bit, but I need to try to give a description as detailed as possibly, becausee I have a suspicion now of what it could have been, which I could not have known either then or during the following days and events, due to a lack of knowledge about these matters. I will enlarge upon my question later in the Comments section, but now first my attempt to render a detailed description of what I felt and then mistook as 'common vibrations' (what a joke from today's POV). I have, so far for me, not read ANY account on exit sensations here or elsewhere that has stated anything similar to this, which makes my inquiry even more urgent now as it was then:

As said, those 'energy sensations' were nothing like vibrations. Those were BALL-LIKE WAVES along the SPINE. Heavy, violent and almost disruptive as it seemed. Not from head to toe but only through my torso (neck to lower intestines / genital area). I cannot conclusively remember anymore if they went up-down (from neck area on downwards) or vice versa. It could have gone either way or even with a changing of directions.
I did NOT feel any pain. Just movement. Possibly I heard roaring, crackling, sizzling, rustling sounds which more or less correlated with the intensity of the wave-balls' movements. One wave going through my body lasted possibly 1 - 1.5 seconds. The 'low-tide' intervals probably 1 to 2 seconds on average. Sometimes the intensities varied. I tried to give it a graphic expression here, you see it is not absolutely regular, intervals for the pauses (-) as well as for down- or upward moving wave 'blobs' (O, o, 0) vary:

--O--O---o----O---0--o---O--O--o--> (time direction)

There are two words I would like to use to describe the whole movement: Orgasmic/Ejaculative and Peristaltic. But all that without the respective body feelings (unfortunately in the first case :mrgreen: ).
So it was as if my torso would have been a great GIANT PENIS at the very moment of ejaculation or a part of the digestive system while it's transporting and processing its content in peristaltic muscle movements.
Another good way to compare it to would be strong electric jolts, but again and - in this case fortunately - without any feelings, just the "movement".

Again just to give an impression on what is meant by 'peristaltic' (mostly used in connection with pumps or the human digestive system), consider it like this, but only much much faster (1 wave-interval per 1-2 second or so):
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/Peristalsis.gif/73px-Peristalsis.gif

This video shows it even better (still, again: much too slow, though):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cEwVdA8_qs

So I hope you get the idea of what I went through - or better: what went through me - then. :shock:

And I was and still am sure it was 'not physical' at all. (How could it be ??! This is not the nervous system. I also should have felt pain then, I should have been bursting into parts! Any scoffers should explain it to me or better try experience this for themselves, and then they will admit: "this stuff is f***** real!")

What is even more strange, and it makes me marvel about myself (and I am not a warrior-type of guy!): I stayed completely calm. I let it happen. Maybe there was a kind of attitude involved telling me sth like "hey, you begged for it, so here we go, now don't complain and grit your teeth and get to it!". Maybe it was still due to my hypnagogic / trance-like state. But why did I not get out of it?
And that is not the entire story. I also endured it (knowing that it would ease off soon) because it was somehow FAMILIAR. It is a "I've-been-there-before"-feeling. But why and how? Discussion see below.

After it waned (or even when it was gone completely, not sure anymore) I started to lift. Possibly the subconscious reason for my lifted arm then was that I wanted to use it as a kind of 'launch ramp' all the time. That's another hint to a strange familiarity .. as said, this was my first conscious and deliberate projection, I had not done this before.

So I went out and the first thing to note is: The room was dark again as I slowly soared to my room's ceiling. I looked ahead then for the short time I looked at the wall and ahead again, the ceiling (immersed in darkness now again) before me.

It should be noted, I also had a strange voice when talking to myself shortly (or "thinking aloud"), it was somehow vibrating, sounding high and modulated (not the human-like female voice, that's a different story again). I don't remember anymore what I said to myself then, possiby some "oh"s or "ah"s only. That, however, again, was not orgasmic either. :wink:

Now the next funny thing: I stopped at the ceiling. And I did not know what to do. Then the idea to just "turn around". Turning around of what? Of me. But what is me? I have no idea if I had a "body" then because I had not paid attention to it/myself. I was just a cloud or point of consciousness during the whole exit.

Then I just "turned around" (no, it seemed I did not have the purported 360 degrees vision, I really shifted somehow). Looking down where me in the bed should have been I first only saw darkness. Then I concentrated (thinking also about BUhlman's short commands such as 'clarity now' or 'vision now'). After a while I could see a figure lying there on the side (not on the back). After a while I also could make out the face clearly. It was me. I looked pale in the darkness, almost a bit like a moon face.

But you know what striked me most about this, even today when I remember it (and which is possibly also responsible for the moon face appearance)? The kind of picture that really clings to my memory now that first comes to my mind when I remember this event, making this an almost iconic representation of this whole lucidventure:
The very weirdness of SEEING YOUR OWN FACE WITH CLOSED EYELIDS. I looked so 'strange' (in a double sense) that I even did not clearly recognise myself for a second because of this 'alienating' view. When do we see ourselves with closed eyelids? Logically, we don't in mirrors. On photo snapshots when we were blinded by flashlights or on surprise snapshots possibly. But "live" at the same instant? This picture sticks with me, probably for the rest of this life! I will never forget the picture of that guy that is me down there in the bed 'asleep' with closed eyelids. Even today, I count this experience among the top-ten of strange sensations and experiences of my adventures.

After I had 'identified' myself without the slightest doubt, which was otherwise not so difficult since all was 'realistic' and there were no dream imagery or reality fluctuations involved, I decided (wisely and as recommended for newbies) to cut it short and 'go back' immediately. I just went down, which was then much faster than going up.
However, before I re-integrated, another remarkable observation. First, for a split-second I saw my face 'close-up'. Secondly, I heard my breathing (exhale) - but different, as if still somehow from the outside.

3) False Awakening

I got up and went into the bathroom. I passed some time there, also looking at myself into the mirror. All looked normal. I reflected on the things passed now. I was happy at my success of 'astral projecting'. Then, only after quite a while, I thought to myself 'hey, why not go to my parent's bedroom now, and wake them and tell them what happened?'. Then I realised what a strange idea this was. (Possibly it was caused by the dream I had before about flying to my parent's home). Why did I say that? I was an adult now and I had not live with my parents in their home for many many years now. Then I realised that I was still dreaming and woke up.

Comments / Afterthoughts:

First of all, sorry, I will keep further posts on lucidventures much much shorter. I just felt the need to enlarge upon this, since it was my first 'projection', and due to all those circumstances and detailed memory. Therefore I restrict this section (although much more would be to say for me here) only to the issues of FAMILIARITY and KUNDALINI.

The issue of FAMILIARITY with those waves amazes me even today. Perhaps, in our super/sub-conscious memories and as reincarnating beings, we all "know" this already since it is similar to what happens when we die. Or perhaps I had/did this as a child in this life and just don't remember. Or I was a keen projector in a previous life. Or Perhaps I really only thought that THIS were the famous vibrations I read about (what a joke!). But today I know there were NO VIBRATIONS. Those were different. I had only one further experience like this a few days later. After the again-violent exit it failed due to exit blindness and fear issues.
Fear issues also kept me from going on then. I read more books on the topic. Monroe's first book actually increased my fears, it was so different from Buhlman's optimitic take on the issue. Then I read Bruce's Astraldynamics and while I did so, I sometimes had the feeling that I was falling out of my body in waking state! That was enough for me! I actually decided to have a break of a few months, not trying anything. I needed a rest (who should blame me after all that, I had my proper dosage, after all)? So I slammed the door shut again at the end of the year and I did not have any experiences (Sometimes I even affirmed "I stay inside my body" before sleeping!).

Maybe someone more experienced in this matter can answer this. Recently I came to suspect that it might actually have been a KUNDALINI-like experience (note the added "-like", please!). Here, people also report on spine-related 'snake'-like heavy energy sensations. If you look at the video I linked, you see that 'peristalctic' movement is indeed pretty 'snaky' if seen from a specific angle. But they also tell of body cramps and even danger of life. I did not feel this way although the waves also had a 'crampy' aspect to them. Of course, since mainly the torso was affected, it is highly likely for me that the energy was using a 'channel' that leads up/down the physical spine through which the 'awakened' energy was streaming in brutal thrusts of different intensity.
I could so far not really bother to dig deeper into the topic of Kundalini. If someone can tell me it is NOT Kundalini-related, I am fine. I wasn't keen on any Kundalini-experience so far. And if it was Kundalini, well, so be it, but I am even less keen to live through this again for understandable reasons. Two times is enough and I am happy in the end that later (according to logfile starting Feb 2010) I discovered that 'vibrations' are something very very different from that! :)

Korpo
1st April 2011, 03:02 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

When raised energy flow happens it often pulses around blocks. Think about a cartoonish garden hose running water. Now imagine stepping on it - a bubble builds, like in a Bugs Bunny cartoon. Only that in case of energy usually the flow can give sensations like pulsing or flutter, or recurring activity.

The spine and center channels are closely linked to the activity of the chakras. This seems like a waking up of the circuit, clearing it out a bit to enable heightened activity. The project reflex and moving into deeper trance (for example during meditation) tend to induce such spontaneous energy flows.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
1st April 2011, 06:31 PM
This seems like a waking up of the circuit, clearing it out a bit to enable heightened activity. The project reflex and moving into deeper trance (for example during meditation) tend to induce such spontaneous energy flows.
I see, I had a similar idea, too. It's a kind of initiatory thing, after all? The very first cleaning-out of the pathways, perfusing / drilling / boring through the central channel and thus linking the chakra points? That would explain why I only had this thing happening to me the first two times and (fortunately) never ever after. Still, is there anything 'kundalini-like' about it in your opinion?

Korpo
1st April 2011, 10:36 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

I don't speculate about Kundalini anymore because I don't know what that actually is. What I see here is the self-regulation of your energy body at work. Sounds like a really good thing to me. :)

Cheers,
Oliver

poème
2nd April 2011, 02:12 PM
A very interesting post, Volgerle!
Sorry tough, I can't say anything deep about it... I am really not accustomed enough to projections or kundalini.

However, I do feel strong «energy waves» that may be akin to what you felt, although I don't think I ever felt anything that strong. In my case, it seems to be building up little by little. When I first had these, they were kind of gentle, but they are stronger now, as if I had chosen to build up the energy body (and/or to clear blockages on the path) in a progressive manner (gently first, more strongly now that I can handle it more) instead of clearing it massively in one sudden violent burst of energy (or two in your case), something I would have been likely to abort out of surprise and fear if it had started happening to me back then... Interesting to see how these things work differently from one person to another!

I also mistook those waves for vibrations at first,or for some kind of light exit symptoms, since I get them sometimes when I am laying quietly on my back in bed. I guess I will also change my mind if I ever come to feel those classic strong vivrations everyone talks about! :lol:

Sinera
2nd April 2011, 04:44 PM
I also mistook those waves for vibrations at first,or for some kind of light exit symptoms, since I get them sometimes when I am laying quietly on my back in bed. I guess I will also change my mind if I ever come to feel those classic strong vivrations everyone talks about! :lol:
Interesting. That means you still did not have the 'normal' vibes at all, so far? Do you have these (slight) spine waves always when projecting, meditating, or really just lying on bed (as you say)? Or do you get lucid through dream conversion (without any exit sensations and all that fuss)?

Tutor
2nd April 2011, 06:27 PM
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poème
5th April 2011, 01:47 AM
Interesting. That means you still did not have the 'normal' vibes at all, so far? Do you have these (slight) spine waves always when projecting, meditating, or really just lying on bed (as you say)? Or do you get lucid through dream conversion (without any exit sensations and all that fuss)?

I believe I'm still quite green, yes!
I didn't project that much up til now to be very honest, but so far, I don't recall heavy vibrations or any kind of heavy symptoms besides a spinning effect once or twice, and a few other times, a kind of «movement». Last time was a dream conversion. I went out through the roof of my childhood's «home» and ended up...flying over a city ;)

I yet have to learn to project cousiously.. Still green, really, but I'm supposed to start the MAP with closed friends soon, so I'll eventually get there!

As for the waves, I do get them often when I meditate but not always. And I get them some nights while I am laying in bed (and as often, watching the ceiling :lol:). Since I sometimes meditate not so long before I go to sleep, it's possible that it simply continues afterwards, when it's bedtime... It could explain it, I guess...


Tutor, your comment made me smile inside... as well as outside :D

Tutor
5th April 2011, 04:25 AM
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Sinera
5th April 2011, 12:22 PM
I believe I'm still quite green, yes!
I am green, too. Don't worry about that too much. And dream conversion or phasing without vibes is even the more elegant way. There are experienced projectors who never experienced vibrations at all. So I would not necessarily say that lack of the 'traditional vibes' has sth to do with 'being green'. :wink:


I yet have to learn to project cousiously
Again: me too! Unless you call starting from hypnagogia (which is my main method besides (accidental!) dream conversion to lucidity) a conscious projection. It is, of course in a way, since I give the commands then consciously. But there is no controlled induction form the start involved, just the affirmation and strategies set before I go to sleep and then the hope it will work (often it does not!). So far I have not induced a single trance state or WILD from the beginning, from which I could have gone out (sometimes I am close, it feels like falling, but that's all how far I get).

Sinera
6th April 2011, 06:04 AM
10/Jan/2010
I Am "Ms Ladyvoice"

So this is indeed my lucidventure #4 (after the quasi-NDE and the two 'brutal' waves experiences), but below I will also give a short synopsis of #5 due to a thematic connection. Don't worry, I will make big jumps through 2010 with a few chosen 'thematic' lucidventures only, since my newest adventures are pretty exciting now and I want to get at them asap. However, I deem these 'first ones' worthy of this kind of raised attention because it makes sense (at least for me :wink: ) to retrace my initial development.

Interestingly, my diary notes on that day say that it was all "too early" for me for a new attempt. I wanted to resume projecting, but not yet. However, that morning I caught myself in hypnagogia and 'decided' due to a (literally!) 'whim' in that trance state to be an opportunist and use the situation to give it a try again.

Even more interesting is the fact that the log entry tells me that I did NOT HAVE ANY VIBRATIONS again during the whole exit attempt. So I still had no "normal" vibrations to that point and after. The entry just tells of a 'sinking feeling' and a slight whistling sound on the right ear. The stiff 'prothesis'-arm raised with my energy body rolled on the back also features again.

However, the most striking and (til today) unique event is this: My affirmation, which then was the same as used in 2009: "I am out-of-body now." suddenly 'switched' and it was said by a different voice. Not just the voice was changed though. The way of speaking, such as intonation, articulation, mood, emotive and 'personality' additions was completely changed, too. That means: It sounded like another person entirely.

And it was a WOMAN. And yet: it was ME SPEAKING this and not someone else. So don't be mistaken: it is NOT at all comparable to a kind of modulation of one's own voice (such as speaking through a sound system into a mike with effects on, or by inhaling helium). It was me speaking as another person. I also heard the voice from a bit farther off, but still clear and loud. Actually, when I think of it again, I believe it was 'everywhere' (in my head and outside around me) and I could not attribute it to any point in the (physical) room. The voice was beautiful, angelic, soft, tender, empathetic, and as it seemed it tried its best to to reassure and soothe me.

Now the funny thing: It might not have been a AFF-irmation at all but rather a CON-firmation !!! :D

That means (from today's view only, of course) that I already was out of my body, because I used the roll-out 'technique' - without knowing it. So the voice possibly just stated to me that I just could have gotten up and walked away, while I was still lying there, arms raised waiting for the exit to happen, on my back with my energy body, but thinking it was my physical body. That one, however was still lying 'unmoved' on the side! :roll: Not knowing this, I broke off the attempt. Only to wake up and wonder why I was - again :roll: - lying on my side now.
It is of course possible that the stiff arm might have hindered the exit and it was indeed an 'almost'-exit except for that arm. It will remain a mystery since fortunately is a typical feature of my early lucidventures and did not return for a long time now.

Yes, that's hilarious, I now. Well, we live and learn, don't we? And we all need to be able to laugh about ourselves and this is really the point that makes me laugh even today. I took me, however, quite a while to get past this point and thus get further up on the learning curve.
Many of the following attempts exactly were of this kind, with the only difference that they included then the famous 'vibrations' of the 'normal' kind, which it seems I had the first time during lucadventure #5 (but around that time I had some other very similar attempts following this one):

(translated logfile entry):
proj.5: 15/Feb/2010
again hypnagogic phase (ca. 8 a.m.) Again right arm and attempt with affirmations. My energy body is on the back again, this time I even put the second arm in the air. Vibrations are there, but much weaker than during the first times. But no disengagement. Or was I disengaged already? i give up after ca. 2 minutes of trying.

Some progress (from #4 to #5) is shown by the fact that I talk about my energy (instead of physical) body on the back and the first slight suspicion that I might have been "disengaged" already. Still, it seems I always expected a kind of spectacular "lift-off" from the ground instead of just completing the 'roll-out' and getting up. It seems that this was much too 'mundane and ordinary' for me even to consider then. :lol: :wink:

Comments / Afterthoughts

Many comments are already given in the text above. Just let me mention that this was the topic for my first post here when I joined: viewtopic.php?f=32&t=18393 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=18393)

There, Robert (not Bruce, yeah, I know by now :roll: :wink: ) confirmed my guess, that this was probably my Higher Self, applying the reassuring voice to help me:

"This would appear to be a manifestation of your higher self, the voice. Beyond this, there is not much I can tell you. This is a positive thing."

This explains perfectly why I "spoke it" and "did not speak it" at once. I knew then, I was not 'alone' in my efforts anymore which made me happy. :)

By the way, the voice never came back (as yet). But I'm patient. :roll:

So has anyone here ever spoken as another person, too?

CFTraveler
6th April 2011, 02:22 PM
So has anyone here ever spoken as another person, too?
I have, a few times.
And, vibrations don't keep happening forever- as you grow and evolve so do your symptoms, so you may not get them anymore, or only on reentry.

poème
7th April 2011, 08:38 PM
Hello Volgerle, I have never spoken as another person. Seems like a great experience!

In your post, this part especially caught my attention today since it so reminded me of how I exited...just last night!



Some progress (from #4 to #5) is shown by the fact that I talk about my energy (instead of physical) body on the back and the first slight suspicion that I might have been "disengaged" already. Still, it seems I always expected a kind of spectacular "lift-off" from the ground instead of just completing the 'roll-out' and getting up. It seems that this was much too 'mundane and ordinary' for me even to consider then. :lol: :wink:


I too was waiting for something spectacular to happen...Like something that would carry me without having to lift a finger, I guess :lol:
But nothing would come, so I tried affirmations...Nothing. I tried to visualise myself teleported in the living room, Ã♥ la Buhlman, but again... Nothing. So then I thought : alright then, let's roll off the bed like so many do! And this worked at last! The funny thing is that I was still not sure if I was out or if I actually fell from the bed in the physical (!) «That's it?» I thought. I guess I was, as you said, already disengaged too! :lol:

Still green but learning!

Sinera
8th April 2011, 01:28 PM
So has anyone here ever spoken as another person, too?
I have, a few times.
Under which cicumstances did it happen? Hypnagogia, lucid and projected, dream? What was your reaction to it and what is your hypothesis as to what your experience could be attributed to? Did you just experience yourself the just as 'different voice/person speaking' or was more involved (looks, feeling, awareness to be s.o. "different")?


I too was waiting for something spectacular to happen...Like something that would carry me without having to lift a finger, I guess :lol: But nothing would come, so I tried affirmations...Nothing. I tried to visualise myself teleported in the living room, Ã♥ la Buhlman, but again... Nothing. So then I thought : alright then, let's roll off the bed like so many do! And this worked at last! The funny thing is that I was still not sure if I was out or if I actually fell from the bed in the physical (!) «That's it?» I thought. I guess I was, as you said, already disengaged too! :lol: Still green but learning!
Yeah, congrats, poeme! I think it is one step further now, the next step (higher on the ladder of increased lucidity) will be that you are sure that you are "out" and need not think about it anymore. It might be that I have reached it recently (latest lucidventures still to be reported), and that one really took me quite a while, so hope I won't 'unlearn' it again. :wink:

CFTraveler
8th April 2011, 03:34 PM
I was hoping you wouldn't ask- but, I have done this in dream (as in, I am another person altogether, and know it)- and sometimes when younger and still every once in a while, though not as often I will be talking to someone else when all of a sudden someone's voice will come through me (it's my voice, but the tone is different) and all of a sudden I'll know certain things and will rattle them off with the confidence of knowing it's true. When it's over I've given someone advice or told them what's 'really' going on. This doesn't happen to me often anymore, but it does happen when I write- sometimes I'll look at an older post and not remember having written that, or said it, and sometimes there's information I did not know I knew.
-so yeah.
:?

Sinera
10th April 2011, 11:10 AM
17/Mar/2010
The Helping Hands & Post-Reentry Electricity

In this lucidventure, we see two new striking elements, that remained a consistent 'theme' (with variations) of my experiences even until today: the "Helping Hands"and "Post-ReEntry Electricity" (PREE).
(a note in anticipation for the fussy ones among us about logic and linguistics: post- and re- is not a redundant doubling of two prefixes actually meaning the same thing, 'post-' here really means to decribe what happens after re-integration, not during it.)

According to my log, I again was on my back with both arms raised and a trembling (vibrations) much "lighter than during my very first success" (note how I felt the need to note this down again! :mrgreen: ).
Suddenly two hands grab the hands of my outstretched arms and "help me up and out". It seems, I also asked for it. I fly around in my room but I do not see anybody else, so the helper remains 'invisible' even in the astral for me.

The second one is a constant accompanyment of almost all my lucadventures. It happens after re-integration and after waking up. That means I am wide awake (and in no trance) when I experience it. It is an electric, chilly feeling around my entire body and it lasts for about 20 seconds to half a minute, sometimes even longer. It always pops up after a lucid experience confirming what I already know anyway: I did not have a 'normal dream'. :wink:

Comments / Afterthoughts:

This lucadventure is of course much longer than I wanted to describe here since I focused on the two themes. If you like, you can see another and longer version of it posted here (viewtopic.php?f=28&t=19083#p126364 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=19083#p126364)), where I asked Robert about the difference of lucid dreaming vs. a 'real' astral experience. Robert said it was a legit 'astral/OBE'-experience. Well, as you know, today, I do no longer make any fuss about these distinctions anyway (see my introduction).

As to the 'helping hands', I have three hypotheses as to its cause(r):
1. Myguide
2. Myself
3. Myhigherself
(4. after this was repeated on different lucidventures I by now can exclude the fourth hypothesis of any other astral projector or entity that "happens" to be present there and then.)

As regards 1): that can of course be any other 'facilitator' as well (and it turns out in later lucadventures, this might even be a likely case)
As regards 2): possibly my subconcious "I" 'creates' the hands to be used as an "exit tool", just as other projectors create ladders or ropes to get out.

I also asked about my 'PREE-phenomenon' here (viewtopic.php?f=28&t=22033 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=22033)) and here (viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21869 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=21869)), but as it turns out to my utter amazement that almost no one experiences it. Just like the hands and the peristaltic waves, it seems to be a real "Volgerlism" again. :wink:

There is a development now with the "hands". It relates to my most current and very exciting developments. To be reported soon.

poème
10th April 2011, 03:12 PM
Yeah, congrats, poeme! I think it is one step further now, the next step (higher on the ladder of increased lucidity) will be that you are sure that you are "out" and need not think about it anymore. It might be that I have reached it recently (latest lucidventures still to be reported), and that one really took me quite a while, so hope I won't 'unlearn' it again. :wink:
I'm sure you won't! :)
As for myself, I can be low on the lucidity scale, indeed :lol: This needs to be stablized, I suppose!


It happens after re-integration and after waking up. That means I am wide awake (and in no trance) when I experience it. It is an electric, chilly feeling around my entire body and it lasts for about 20 seconds to half a minute, sometimes even longer. It always pops up after a lucid experience confirming what I already know anyway: I did not have a 'normal dream'
Out of curiosity, do you only get these sensations after re-entering your body or do you also get them (or similar sensations) at some other times?

Sinera
10th April 2011, 04:52 PM
It happens after re-integration and after waking up. That means I am wide awake (and in no trance) when I experience it. It is an electric, chilly feeling around my entire body and it lasts for about 20 seconds to half a minute, sometimes even longer. It always pops up after a lucid experience confirming what I already know anyway: I did not have a 'normal dream'
Out of curiosity, do you only get these sensations after re-entering your body or do you also get them (or similar sensations) at some other times?
Only then. After the experience, PREES even 'sticks' to me when I get up from bed and walk around in my room. It's a strange thing for me that no one else gets them. It is NOT goosebumps by the way: when I have vivid, insightful and emotional dreams (like the series in the night I described in the job-change-thread viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22383&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p144350 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22383&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p144350)) or nightmares from which I wake up startled, I do not have them at all! But I should if it was just an emotional thing.
And it really 'feels' electric or electromagnetical to me. Cannot describe it better.

poème
12th April 2011, 01:24 PM
Only then. After the experience, PREES even 'sticks' to me when I get up from bed and walk around in my room. It's a strange thing for me that no one else gets them. It is NOT goosebumps by the way: when I have vivid, insightful and emotional dreams (like the series in the night I described in the job-change-thread viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22383&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p144350) or nightmares from which I wake up startled, I do not have them at all! But I should if it was just an emotional thing.
And it really 'feels' electric or electromagnetical to me. Cannot describe it better.

You know, the more I read you about this, the more I think that what I call my «waves» are similar to what you call your «PREES». I say similar, because I know what you mean when you say it is NOT goosebumps. I am sure it is not the case, since even when the sensation is light, it is much stronger than goosebumps. I also feel it as a chilly type of energy (which does kind of feel electric or electromagnetic), but the fact that you get this after re-entering is very different though, perhaps unique to you, indeed, for I always kind of thought it was energy building on, in my case... Perhaps you rebuild the released energy right after re-entry?

Sinera
12th April 2011, 04:24 PM
Perhaps you rebuild the released energy right after re-entry?
Possibly something like that. It is definitely a "reintegrational" thing. (Or better: "post-reintegrational" :lol: ).

Sinera
12th April 2011, 04:50 PM
21/Mar/2010
Aspect Retrieval (Or So)

Since I need to get through 2010 in a hurry, another interesting theme picked out of my diary: the gathering of an aspect of self - but with a big question mark.

Exit after usual vibrations, but this time without helping hands, I seemed then to just lift off again. I did the then usual card check trials (I did this a few times but they never really worked well due to too many fluctuations. I will spare you the torture of reading about those many attempts here.:wink:) in my flat and re-entered with ensuing PREE sensations.
Later I manage to do a second exit. This time I 'phase' into an unknown flat. It has a high ceiling, looks like a mansion. I see a man standing there what looks like his bedoom (sheets are tossed in unorderly fashion, bed is not made - looks like s.o. just got up - or like it is in a typical bachelor's flat :wink:). He is almost like a statue. He is in shorts/pants only, big white ones. He is very athletic, muscular and sportive, black hair. I just stands there in his bedroom and looks around (not even sure if he looks at me).

Then something happens that surprises me. But it happens with myself. I ask him who he is. But I give the answer to myself before the 'statue' can answer.

"Oh, it's myself. Ok, come with me."

:shock:

Comments / Afterthoughts:

I've read a lot about the Shaman concept of retrieving soul-parts or parts/aspects of self, also in Bruce Moen's Afterlife Guide Book you find an extensive chapter on this. I don't have a clue if this is related to this and what's to this concept anyway. So far, I associate "aspects" with the need to find/retrieve or reunite with certain character traits we suppress or even an entire stage of life that was forgotten or suppressed (complete amnesia due to traumatic memories might be an extreme case of this).

I do not understand what led me to these insights ("oh, it's myself"...) at that moment. I do not remember him taking with me or merging with him in any way. I just flew off into another flat at the opposite side of the street. The adventure did not last much longer then and I woke up with PREE, as usual.

When I think about this guy I saw and connect it to aspect (as character trait in this case), the term 'VANITY' comes to my mind at first. I am not very vain, and I am not a little bit more after this experience either. (I AM sportive, although not athletic or muscular, by the way!).
Maybe I am wrong and it was about sth else. But what? Past life? A mistake? A subconscious dream/thought projection of mine? I don't know. What strikes me is the absolute 100% certainty I had at this moment.

Consciousness is a strange thing.

:|

Sinera
13th April 2011, 03:28 PM
17/Oct/2010
Time Travel To 2194 (Or Alternative Reality)

This time no "exit" vibes but I get lucid in a dream (a method much rarer for me). I was in a city and then started running around asking the people what year it is because I somehow subconsciously know that it is not my time anymore. Don't ask me why, I just knew that this was the case and I wanted the confirmation and information about the exact date. I could not have known from the looks of the city. It looked pretty 'contemporary'. It was a typical middle-sized to small town.
It seems people did not take me seriously. Who would if s.o. did this in a normal city in physical life? At one point I joke with them and say it is a 1000-dollar-question and I am from a TV show.
One thing, however about this city is different. At the nightsky (it was dark) UFOs or light blobs were flying around, sometimes in strange movements making strange light patterns. No one - except for me - seems to be impressed by it.
Then I ran into a newspaper shop to grab some papers and look at the date there. First at the counter I apologize to the clerk and the people in the queue saying that I dont wanna push past them, I just want to take a look at some flyers. Then I change my mind and go to the newspaper stand. As always the case in nonphysical reality the letters and dates fluctuate. I cannot make out any specific number/date first. Then I see the number 2194. After this realisation I wake up with my usual PREE feelings.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I very often have dreams with ufos/lights flying at the nightsky and people not disturbed by it at all. I also have so-called 'alien invasion' dreams (of the War Of Worlds or Independence Day type) with UFOs flying at the sky and/or landing all over Earth and chasing the people. However these dreams are never fearful for me, it seems I rather create them myself for a kind of self-entertainment.

This one was different though. I cannot imaging that it was really the year 2194. As said, it all looked like a today's small town, except for the lights in the sky. The newspapers even looked older. Maybe it was an alternative reality?
However, the most likely explanation would be an Earth-like Astral realm where people from this time-frame live as they lived before. But how to explain all my fussing about the date? Calendar dates would make no sense on this plane then, after all. Where did my obvious 'knowledge' come from?

Does anyone here have similar experiences on astral planes with being in an "Earth-Present-like" environment, with only a few things changed slightly (such as the UFOs)?

Sinera
14th April 2011, 08:56 PM
Note ex ante: In order to get faster through 2010, just two more from the end with interesting 'themes'. I still need, however, to write another important one from November 2010, but it takes a bit longer, so just by exception I will break the chronology here and deliver the missing one later.

14/Dec/2010
Mind-Split & Grabbing Hands In "The Portal"

This one I posted in a thread already in the K.Leland-Thread, too. However, it deserves a mention here, as well, also since it has a more recent 'sequel' (see comments section below). Here is the (slightly shortened) quote from the post of the thread above:

I had done affirmations of two kinds alternatingly before my short nap and while falling asleep. Well, that was probably not a very good idea. I affirmed "I see Ludmilla and know I am dreaming." and "I am out-of-body now."
Affirmations should be clearcut and unequivocal, if not ... that's when things might become messed up. It seems I got a mixture of 1) starting bodily astral projection symptoms and 2) lucidity gaining in a dream simulation in a different "projection type" (mental). Both events simultaneously might have gotten in each others way.

What happened? From a 'normal' dream, I was "waking up" in "bed" in the room of my childhood ("gate"?) again. Actually I was lying there and getting vibrations and/or energy sensations or auric expansions all over my body. Of course, I was semi-lucid again, which means I thought I was in my current home without knowing that it is not my actual living room.

The room seemed lit with bright light, so there would be no reason to fear sth (and I knew I was projecting in the afternoon anyway). Still, sth felt not right. I also had the feeling of a grip of s.o. or sth external around my wrist / lower arm area, on both sides.
It felt a bit 'alien' but I would not consider it a 'neg' in the post-analysis. Anyways, I felt not comfortable anymore, which did not mean I was afraid or terrorised, not at all. But I then decided to do inner energy work to kind of get rid of the pressure and somehow 'cleanse' myself - a bit ridiculous for me now thinking about it.

But now comes the even funnier and stranger part: I then did energy work. In my dream. However, in the dream I was already out of bed, standing straight in that childhood / portal room and doing the energy running thing though my body.
The real comedy is: At the same time I felt myself lying in bed (in the physical) and doing this actual energy work in my physical body. I get the feeling the best thing to describe this is indeed the experience / performance(?) of a kind of MIND-SPLIT.

A while after that I woke up in the physical, still doing a bit of energy work and feeling the warmth and 'aura' around me.

Comments / Afterthoughts

This lucadventure is a little progress for me insofar as it made me feel to be in two bodies at once. It also shows that energy work really is a beneficient thing. It seems that would not have been able to experience this without my continuous energy work training.

I already mentioned the "helping" hands that appeared quite early in my path of lucid adventures. This is now a variant of it. The 'grabbing hands' might also be helping hands, I still have to find out about it, but they are not as pleasant as the first version of my 'early days'. Of course, since I affirmed to meet "Ludmilla", who is a girl that features in several of my dreams, it might indeed have been her. I could not ascertain yet if she (when appearing in my dreams) really is a kind of guide or perhaps a friend or possibly just an astral entity having some fun with me. However, due to newer developments, I have now indeed further clues (but no evidence) that it is her. Stay tuned, more to come. :wink:

So, has anyone of you 'been grabbed' in your physical bed or astral bedroom so far?

Sinera
14th April 2011, 08:58 PM
18/Dec/2010
Gravity Prison

That year didn't end too well. Here's about one of those times when nothing seems to work. I had posted this already here
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22558 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22558) in a single thread, but it is worth repeating again, as it is a typical theme or 'symptom' of mine. So here is the slightly shortened and re-edited version of it now again:

Finally i managed again to get lucid 100% in a dream. i was in a kind of locker room of my (elementary!) school days. before that i remember I had passed through the shower rooms with the showers also running, some steam was visible. it might be that I saw an old friend of mine from school days in those rooms, but as said I had walked on to the wardrobe locker room of the old primary school. Suddenly, i don't know why and what caused it, but i was standing there and could say to myself "hey, wow, i'm completely lucid". I was perfectly lucid, with ALL my reasoning capabilties it seemed.

I started to do the logical next thing for me and initiated my commands, requests affirmations I wanted to apply in order to reach my goals and destinations I had set before.

The discouraging experience this time: NOTHING worked. Really absolutely nothing!! :x :? :(. I tried to summon my guide. no response. Even later, I called my guide several times for help. nothing happened. I tried the command "higher self now" to get me off this place. Nothing. Then I said I want to get to that place I recently was in a mental projection (that kind of school/library). No result. No matter what I did. I could not get on. I still stood there.

I tried to fly / lift off, I could not get off the ground at all at first, later only a few metres and very slow, just like some astral gravity keeping me back on the ground. It was like in those nightmares where you start to run from sth dreadful but cannot get on fast enough (I did not have these for many years though, and seem to have lost my fear anyway in dreams lately.)

Well, normally I have no problem flying. Sometimes in dreams of the astral it was even the other way round, my dream/astral body wanted to lift off almost automatically and I had to keep "it" on the ground because I did not want to at that moment.

The 'dream' scenes had switched around me. It seemed all like a weird dreamscape, hard to describe. Sometimes I was outside, sometimes in rooms. Sometimes there were people around me. I remember one guy in a Cowboy costume. One girl, also in a kind of costume. Still, all is too incoherent to give any detailed account. No sense, no story line.
And I did not pay much attention to it. I did not talk to the people there because they were dream figures for me, just wanted to lift off and 'start my program' of the many things I had planned.
Maybe that was my mistake? Was it a simulation and I was supposed to speak to some people there? Even ask THEM for help, or to ask about this place I was in there? Maybe get back to the figure of the "old buddy from school" and have a chat with him?

Normally it is said that these commands (asking guides for help, lift-off commands) should work. But they didn't at all. I did a routine hand-check. I counted six fingers at one time (but images flickered as usual). And there is almost always at least one stump finger on the hand. I always have this.

When I get lucid I am happy (understandably) but also I get very hectic, since I always seem to feel hard-pressed for immediate action due to the limited time I seem to have before its over. Maybe getting to hectic is another mistake?

I lost it after a couple of attempts to lift off , struggled against it but failed and woke up with PREES, which hints to the fact that it was another lucidventure.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I know that self-laudation is nothing noble, but I think that 'Gravity Prison' is just a more than perfect title for that one.

I still have problems with gaining speed and/or ease, levity and lightness to manage a 'take-off' during some projections, but I'm working on it. It seems, too often we are bound and kept to the (lower) astral levels. Is it the simulations, that K. Leland talks about? I am not always so sure.
Also, the literature says one has to get rid of thoughts and emotions weighing you down. Maybe I just wasn't ready then and too burdened by my everyday sorrows. Just another hypothesis though.

Does anyone of you have any tricks, techniques for liftoff on the gravity-pressure astral planes?

Korpo
15th April 2011, 09:39 AM
Hello, Volgerle.

I don't think it's a matter of gravity. I'd rather think it was a simulation, like you suspected afterward. Actually, when I read about the cowboy you saw I immediately thought "Hold your horses!" ;)

Getting lucid is not the highest goal by itself. If nothing works, neither commands nor calling for someone, the message is probably "stop and think."

The approach where you have all kinds of ideas prepared what you want to do when you get lucid or out of body can be limiting. It usually leads people to ignore their surroundings. Just imagine you were there for a reason, and compare this to the fact that the first thing you wanted is to get away.

Some hints were available, too. Setting it in an elementary school locker room could mean that you were to learn something basic (elementary school) in a locked down environment (a simulation, represented by the locker room). When you went through the shower room first this might have indicated a state of cleanliness sufficient to have a lucid adventure, or a chance to leave something behind (by taking a shower).

You reacted to the overall challenge by trying to overcome it with will. The simulation probably broke down because you were pushing with your will against the limitations imposed for the sake of the simulation.

Possible courses of actions could have been that you stopped and asked out loud what needed to be done there. If hints had appeared then or something would have drawn your attention, you could have investigated. Be a sleuth - find out what's going on. Be inquisitive and curious. It helps.

Not every experience or simulation will be like this. Trying to figure them out while they happen can be a good way forward. There's no "scheme" to follow, just openminded inquiry.

Cheers,
Oliver

Korpo
15th April 2011, 10:33 AM
PS - another intepretation is possible as well:

The shower room was intended for you to cleanse yourself before being allowed access to the wider astral plane. Since you didn't shower you couldn't get there, you ended up being "locked up" in the locker room - at least in terms of the usual mobility.

Emotional hygiene is a basic part (elementary) of the astral training (school). The whole scenario would then be a simulation. It is not unusual to meet no one in early simulations or have no one to talk to. Seeing and interacting with entities is different from interacting with dream characters, I think, in that it needs to be learned.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
15th April 2011, 11:46 AM
The approach where you have all kinds of ideas prepared what you want to do when you get lucid or out of body can be limiting. It usually leads people to ignore their surroundings. Just imagine you were there for a reason, and compare this to the fact that the first thing you wanted is to get away.
Thanks, Korpo, for these very insight- and helpful interpretations, especially the shower combined with the elementary school is indeed eye-opening. I should have noted it (another of my many school class settings I experience, most often in dreamstate).

Regarding this part quoted, maybe that (my target-orientedness) is the most difficult thing for me. You know, I take an almost 'rational' and 'personal-scientific' approach to these things. This involves planning and setting goals (which you need or want or believe that you need/want to reach) beforehand. Many books on AP also recommend that you 'have targets in mind' when you go out, making constant affirmations also contain this element.

But you are right, what I still need is more patience, 'coolness', keeping a level head and a more improvising attitude in some of these situations. Problem is (also today) that I still do not get ludic(ventures) often enough, so I get too frantic when it happens and lose patience too soon (also in fear and knowledge of the fact that my time is very limited before I get 'unlucid' or wake up again). I definitely need to work on this.

Korpo
15th April 2011, 12:50 PM
Hello, Volgerle.


Regarding this part quoted, maybe that (my target-orientedness) is the most difficult thing for me. You know, I take an almost 'rational' and 'personal-scientific' approach to these things. This involves planning and setting goals (which you need or want or believe that you need/want to reach) beforehand. Many books on AP also recommend that you 'have targets in mind' when you go out, making constant affirmations also contain this element.

There's different people with different responses, so these "success formulas" can backfire in unexpected ways.

The way you describe is pretty similar like I used to approach things. Being a somewhat cerebral type myself my ideas of how to do things or how things should work often led to frustration. I wasn't questioning things, I was just going forward with what I thought was the right response, or with rationalizations of why the course of action I chose was good.

This is a typical behaviour if the mental elemental is in charge. In the theosophic model the mental elemental is a collection of mental matter from the lower mental plane. It has, in a sense, a will of its own, mostly expressed in resistances. If there's a deeply ingrained habit, it will prefer to continue act like it. Also the phenomena as unchecked mental chatter, compulsive rumination or the inability to stay on task can be related to it.

For example concentration meditation is often aimed at reducing these tendencies. The mental elemental is tamed and kept on task. Distractions and mental chatter are recognised, but the focus always returns to the object of meditation. Other methods of taming the mental element exist, of course. And with good reason as the mental elemental can pose a problem in many different ways, and no solution solves all.

If your problem for example isn't distraction, concentration doesn't help. In fact, concentration power can result in situations like the one you see here. You know what you want to do. You stay on task. You apply all the fixes you know. You're not distracted, you're focused. But in another sense you're also mentally asleep. You run through a preestablished program. In a sense you're not lucid to the fact that a mental process is running the show, the script you have established for these occasions when you become aware you're in a dream/OBE.

So, what is needed on these occasions is a state of openmindedness. Curiosity. An inquisitive nature. You could call that the lucidity of the soul. My guess would be that this is what mindfulness training tries to develop. I call it lucidity because it is being present to your experience instead of living in a mental body dream. Observe yourself when you think about something - I can walk down a street and think about something and not notice anything outside myself I would recall later. It's like sleepwalking while awake.

This kind of lucidity applies to all states of consciousness, and Kurt has for example recommended several simple practices to do with observation to open up to it. Also, knowing that the script is not always the answer might lead you to stop and observe while having the experience. Every feedback that surprises you, like the inability to fly, is a clue in itself. It is a chance to get even more lucid and question your own behaviour. It is feedback that challenges you to even higher lucidity.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
17th April 2011, 01:03 PM
... this is what mindfulness training tries to develop. I call it lucidity because it is being present to your experience instead of living in a mental body dream. Observe yourself when you think about something - I can walk down a street and think about something and not notice anything outside myself I would recall later. It's like sleepwalking while awake.
I see. Reminds me (also referring to waking consciousness) to Eastern and esp. Buddhist teachings (E. Tolle also refers to it with "The Power Of Now"). Always try to "Be Here And Be Now". Beeing constantly immersed in your 'daydreaming' and keeping your mind 'occupied' with problems, past/future-related thought drifts is not a good way to "Be".

Sinera
18th April 2011, 06:28 PM
So, has anyone of you 'been grabbed' in your physical bed or astral bedroom so far?
Again, as this actually interests me a lot due to very recent events (which I will report here, soon), didn't really anybody have experiences with being 'grabbed, seized, taken, touched, dragged', against or even according to their own will, out of their (astral or whatever) bed?

CFTraveler
18th April 2011, 07:10 PM
You did know that this is how I became involved in these circles, right?

Sinera
18th April 2011, 09:05 PM
You did know that this is how I became involved in these circles, right?
no, I did not know this (or if I read this once I might have forgotten), must have been a startling experience for you, if you had not known about these things before? (if you have an account of it here online, feel free to give a link for me to read)

CFTraveler
18th April 2011, 09:36 PM
Here's something: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8871 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8871)

Sinera
19th April 2011, 11:42 AM
Here's something: viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8871 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=8871)Thanks, interesting. But so far - luckily for me - I would rule out any 'alien abduction scenario' for me, the balance has even tipped towards 'beneficient / friendly', but more to come on this. By comparison, interesting though in your account for me is the deliberate use of energy work techniques while it happens:
When I was being sucked out of my body, I would start doing sponging, and it returned the control of my astral body to me. It effectively aborted every attempt made to take me. .... When I learned to recognize it, I would then start praying and doing sponging, and did most of the countermeasures in the PSD book. Then the attacks moved to dreamtime (I would be having a dream about something, and I would be pulled away from the dream)- I trained myself by using NEW in the dream body, and it worked.So if I compare it to my account of Dec 14th 2010 (see "Mind-Split & Grabbing Hands In "The Portal") it strikes me that your 'dream body energy work' is a bit similar to what I did then, when I was running energy (actually in physical and energy/dream body simultaneously) while trying to 'cleanse' myself of the grip (which worked, btw).

CFTraveler
19th April 2011, 02:54 PM
I don't want to keep derailing your post but I just wanted to mention one thing- I have never been sure that this had anything to do with grey aliens, despite the imagery in the beginning of the experiences- after I applied various techniques the things stopped, and the experiences became more benevolent or beneficial. The jury's still out for me as to what really happened, and I don't rule out that they were initiatory experiences, even tests to see what I could handle without losing my mind.

Sinera
20th April 2011, 02:34 PM
Note ex ante: This is the one that was missing for 2010. After that I will report bits from my journal which are almost 'up-to-date' from spring 2011
10/Nov/2010
The Library (School Of Homeopathy)

This one is so far another highlight for me and one of my most clear, impressive and also longest (sorry :mrgreen: ) lucadventures. Kurt Leland told me it was a "big achievement" (viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p139234 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=30#p139234)). I couldn't ever bother to disagree. :wink:

This 'achievement' also had some consequences for my private (physical) life. In its aftermath it helped to direct me again towards a (not-so-new!) goal and re-inforced the decision to pursue it (again), a goal I had already considered about 1.5 years ago but dumped at the time. A little more on this below.
As you see by the link above, I had already told parts of this amazing lucidventure in another thread, but it never was the 'whole story' with all the facts. I'd left out some parts, maybe because I wanted to interpret it in certain ways (and was a little biased at the time), but perhaps also for mere convenience to have to write a little less. Anyway, here is the "whole story" now:

I start in an almost completely lucid state from my "portal" which has come to be my childhood bedroom. I fly out of the window, which is indeed the 'gate' to the astral. I am flying high over an unknown city. A big one, so it cannot be the small town of my childhood any longer. I notice this. I think to myself, that despite the fact that it looks real I want to do sth else and finally get the idea to 'leave this plane for a higher one'. I do not program any specific target, just 'take me to a higher plane'. So I ask for assistance and start to rise, faster and faster.

First I only see fog. A kind of foggy tunnel with different shades of white and grey.

Then (...wow!) I land in a huge "hall" in a kind of lobby or reception area as it seems. From there on there is no flying anymore, everything becomes physically Earth-like again. And VERY realistic to me. The architecture of this huge dome-like place was intricate and impressive.

My journal entry says that I hurried to get there since I was always aware of the fact that I "am projecting" and might - as usual for me - not have a lot of time before I get hurled back into waking physical reality. This is the first sign for me that I was indeed highly lucid then and I knew about the urgency to explore all of this (fast) since this place was highly unusual and I knew that possibly I would not get another chance to come here again so soon (proved right til today). Therefore ... it's grab all you can. :wink:

I walk up some steps to a group of people. There was a kind of 'enrolment procedure' taking place with freshers being welcomed and introduced by tutors, groups being formed. (I did not have to ask for everything, some things just came to me, I just suddenly knew!). It was like a kind of old and noble university or school.
The group which I join then, seems to be led by a girl (like me then, they all seemed to be in their mid-20ies, too!) named Irina or Irene. She seems to hold some papers or a notebook and explains things. I greet her by embracing her , there seems to be initial trust, I wouldn't usually embrace a stranger, neither in physical and even less in non-physical reality. Next to trust, this is also a kind of expression of my joy of 'knowing' that I finally made it to a very special place. I cannot exclude the idea that I even felt I knew this place and these people before (hence the trust), as if it was a sort of homecoming. But that is only a slight intuition. I cannot remember saying to s.o. of them "hello, it's me again" or "ah, it's you again, how are you?". It was just a little feeling of familiarity.

Anyway, I had to ask for their names. It is another sign of my enhanced lucidity and awareness that I asked these people twice or even three times each for their names. I repeated the names then to myself. I did this all as a memorisation technique, with the certitude that I need to 'download' this information into my waking memory. I NEEDED and WANTED desperatly to remember their names!
They were all very patient with me and seemed to understand my needs and overall situation. At one point, I told them that I was "not dead" ( :roll: ) and - perhaps even with a little pride - that "I am a projector". They smiled and seemed to acknowledge this with understanding, still, they weren't too surprised about this as it seemed.
So I kept repeating over and over that "unfortunately I don't have a lot of time before I'm forced to go back". My notes also tell me (quote): "I get nervous of fear that I cant hold it for so long and start moving from one foot to the other to prevent me from 'waking up' and vanishing". I do not remember my footstomping action (a typical human nervousness sympton, isn't it?) but as I recorded this immediately after my return and waking up, I take it as it is.

Three persons (those whose names I asked several times) were Irene (the 'tutor'), Rafaela (a beauty with even a little lascivious air) and Michael. We talk something more and laugh a lot and have friendly chats, but I do not remember the content of it all. Except for the names (which I focussed on) a lot has been lost.

Then I walk away further, as we then agreed, with Michael who will explain some things to me and show me around. We walk through some rooms of a nearby library. Some smaller rooms also, like reading and study groups rooms. I see other students there. The library looks almost old-fashioned. I see shelves full of books, also in piles on some tables. I ask his name again (he says 'Michael' again, without being irritated by my obstination with this) when we turn around another corner.

I already seem to know that this is sth like the faculty of Alternative Medicine or even more specifically department for Homeopathy. So we finally find a little seminar room (or even office) with a lot of books there again. We take a seat at a table in comfy armchairs. The scene is again quite "mundane". Michael starts to tell me about this place (I forgot what it was) and then begins a talk about 'the history of Homeopathy'. Before that I had already apologised to him in anticipation and told him that I feel that I might not be able to "hold the line" here any longer and will be taken back to my reality. He is (as all of them are) very sympathetic and says it's okay. I also say thanks for everything and start to listen then.

He starts with the overview and I am surprised that he does not start with S. Hahnemann (the 'inventor' of Homeopathy in the 18/19th cent.) but traces the origins of this type of medicine to sth different, I even think he places it into ancient times, but I don't remember exactly what he tells me. I only get the first sentences of the 'lecture'. Then the seemingly unavoidable happens, I start to 'wane'. I see him smile at me, then the picture vanishes.

I am back in my "portal". But I really 'slammed' back, something I'd never experienced before. (As if I had more 'impact' force falling down from the height of this 'higher plane'). I'm clinging to the wall (almost like a spider) and of my childhood bedroom, still shaking up-down a while, as if I had to 'absorb shock' the 'landing' from that place 'on high'. It is dark in the room. Then I wake up in physical reality with my usual PREES (post reentry electricity sensations).

Comments / Afterthoughts

Many comments regarding my state of lucidity are already given in the text above. I still wrestle a bit with the fact that I only asked for their names and not for so much more information that could have been retrieved from there. Don't ask my why I did not ask and memorise other important points, such as what this place exactly is and what my relation to them and this place was. So many questions. But possibly I asked for it and we talked about this and the memory got lost for me.

Once I thought that this whole place might even have been my higher self (some say that you also have libraries like soul records / life books there!) and the guys I met my incarnations, but now I am more convinced that it was a usual educational area (which Kurt places on the Mental Plane) with 'other' people. Perhaps it even formed part of the overall (akashic) libary and education system, possibly in what's called Focus 27 by the Monroe Institute.

1.5 years before this, I indeed already had considered to start a training as an Alternative Health Practicioner (many of whom do Homeopathy as one of their treatments). So this might explain why my higher/super- or sub-conscious mind steered me to that place and not somewhere else.
It should also be mentioned that exactly around that time for some weeks (Nov 2010) I was visiting a healer for Reconnective Healing, I also was 'reconnected' (= aligned to axiatonal gridlines) then. I considered to become a Reconnective Healer myself and I will do so: this year there are some Level-1/2 Seminars in my country. Maybe that (together with my former intention) also influenced the 'visit' to this destination.

Furthermore, around that time in Nov., one night, after a longer talk with someone (guide/HS?) in dreamstate, my hands became energy-activated almost 'by command ("activate them")' from which I woke up with tingling/burning hand palms. Since then I feel energy (from slight tingling until stronger, although bearable and controlable burning sensations) now almost constantly in my hands, esp. the right one. My observations prove to me that the tingling gets stronger when I think or write about any spiritual matters, and even more so when I do energy work exercise or self-healing with them! It's really fascinating.

Now, if all goes according to plan, I will be a part-time (or more) Reconnective Healer / 'certified' Alternative Health Practioner in about 2 years from now.

Korpo
20th April 2011, 03:41 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Kurt recently made his AC263 available - The Human Culture Zone (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2007/188-the-human-culture-zone-causal-body-lower-mental-plane). Beyond what he already replied to you he also writes in that ACs that books often demark a location in the mental plane. You might want to compare what you experienced to the different stages Kurt went through.

As Kurt relates there, the contents of the mental plane arrange themselves for the perceiver according to the questions you bring along when entering. Being interested in alternative medicine you found your way to a lesson about homeopathy. It could be that you actually downloaded this information even if you did not recall more of the experience. Energies like that can continue to guide our intuition even if not consciously remembered.

You can also compare AC227 (Tour of the Akashic Records (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2003/94-tour-of-the-akashic-records-upper-mental-plane-causal-body)) to get a feel for it. My hunch would be this wasn't the akashic records, at least as Kurt describes them, but rather the lower mental plane, where for example human history and world views are accessible.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
22nd April 2011, 12:14 PM
It could be that you actually downloaded this information even if you did not recall more of the experience. Energies like that can continue to guide our intuition even if not consciously remembered.
I see, it's also what we already talked about in another thread, it's the "zip-files" or "background installation" thing. :) :wink:
(I hope it will help me during my studies then, maybe I will be able to learn more easily because I can 'retrieve' it better?).
Thanks for the link to the Human Culture Zone, interesting read. Yes, of course, it could be that it (the library/school) was located there on the lower mental plane.
And maybe that's why it did not work many other times for me: (quote K.L.): "A disorganized antique store or junk shop can be repellant, because the sheer amount of stuff and the apparently random relations between individual items is overwhelming. The mind is unable to process the experience. That’s the main reason why people aren’t allowed to enter the mental plane without having a valid reason or mission to be there" My intention was not strong and detailed enough. Btw, some of my next posts will relate again to these set-up 'barriers' for me.

poème
22nd April 2011, 01:41 PM
I had a great time reading your story and I could relate to a lot of things in this one, such as how many details of conversations are «lost» to the conscious mind upon awakening. But when I read Kurt Leland's stories and see how detailed and clear the recall of a conversation can be, I start thinking that perhaps it is possible to work toward a better recall and remove whatever blocks it. I suppose we'd have to search for the underlying reasons of such blockages. For instance, is it that these «lost» details are pieces of information we would not be ready to know yet, or is it that we just don't want to see or face some information about parts of ourselves? If so, working honestly on ourselves, opening our eyes on who we really are and what our experience really is, could improve the recall over time...



I already seem to know that this is sth like the faculty of Alternative Medicine or even more specifically department for Homeopathy. So we finally find a little seminar room (or even office) with a lot of books there again. We take a seat at a table in comfy armchairs. The scene is again quite "mundane". Michael starts to tell me about this place (I forgot what it was) and then begins a talk about 'the history of Homeopathy'.
Seems like quite a clear-cut clue as to the direction you want to explore, deep inside :wink:

Sinera
22nd April 2011, 02:13 PM
perhaps it is possible to work toward a better recall and remove whatever blocks it. I suppose we'd have to search for the underlying reasons of such blockages.I kind of did a 'technique' to recall more of my lucidventures lately. I will report on it with connection to another experience soon by which I successfully managed to 'transcribe' a dialogue (not entirely literal but paraphrased and thus accurately enough). The method, of course, won't be anything 'revolutionary', maybe things even known as routine to experienced projectors. But it is good to remind oneself of the necessity to DO this things, after all, so I will write on it here then.

For instance, is it that these «lost» details are pieces of information we would not be ready to know yet, or is it that we just don't want to see or face some information about parts of ourselves?Good point. I think it might be all of it. Some things that really 'got lost', some things we are not supposed to know, some things we should/would not want to remember. :wink:


I already seem to know that this is sth like the faculty of Alternative Medicine or even more specifically department for Homeopathy. So we finally find a little seminar room (or even office) with a lot of books there again. We take a seat at a table in comfy armchairs. The scene is again quite "mundane". Michael starts to tell me about this place (I forgot what it was) and then begins a talk about 'the history of Homeopathy'.Seems like quite a clear-cut clue as to the direction you want to explore, deep inside :wink:Yes, indeed. Of course, (thanks for reminding me, poème, as I forgot to mention this), one of my fields of therapy specialisation as Alternative Medicine Practicioner will be Homeopathy (next to e.g. Traditional Chinese Medicine acupunture, which always interested me a lot).

poème
22nd April 2011, 02:39 PM
I kind of did a 'technique' to recall more of my lucidventures lately. I will report on it with connection to another experience soon by which I successfully managed to 'transcribe' a dialogue (not entirely literal but paraphrased and thus accurately enough). The method, of course, won't be anything 'revolutionary', maybe things even known as routine to experienced projectors. But it is good to remind oneself of the necessity to DO this things, after all, so I will write on it here then.

I will stay tuned :wink:

Korpo
23rd April 2011, 09:59 AM
About the recall...

I have often asked Kurt about the level of recall from his adventures. I was kind of hoping that this was the consequence of developing the energy bodies according to what he put forward in his new book and with similar exercises.

But Kurt is also a channeler and has been for many decades. "Unzipping" energy information packets is part of this. It includes reconnecting to the energy of an experience or transmitted in a ROTE, translating and transcribing it. Similarly, as a channeler Kurt has also trained himself in establishing a dialogue with nonphysical consciousness and this helps him delve deeper into the information.

For a detailed account how this can work for one of his adventures, see for example the final paragraphs of The Human Culture Zone (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2007/188-the-human-culture-zone-causal-body-lower-mental-plane).

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
23rd April 2011, 12:54 PM
14/Mar/2011
The Sky Factory & Girls That Are Me

I go out happy and smiling with vibrations. It is a mix between the lower and the upper portal now. (The upper portal is my 'regular' portal childhood room that was located upstairs, over periods in my childhood I had another bedroom downstairs where I also sometimes project into, it is nowadays the bedroom of my parents in this house).

I am a girl with a little curly hair. I could be black, or rather: mulatta, but not sure. I also see myself form the outside. Then inside again. It is a girl I once saw in another projection (but not in a mirror!). I get up from bed. I ask myself if this is a dream and find it is. I then fly out of the "portal" window into the Astral. Seems I'm not the girl anymore but "me" (whatever that is). I'm flying over an unknown bigger city again, like a superhero I get past and round skyskrapers, it is fun (I understand well that some people have a sole motivation to project/lucid-dream only in order to 'be flying around').

I stop and think about my set goals. Again, I seem to have left half of my mind behind, they do not occur to me. Then one does, 'higher plane' again comes to my semi-lucid „mind“.

I ask for assistance to help me to rise into the beautiful blue sky, but before I can act (I still seem to be flying horizontally) a kind of hangar-like ceiling spreads itself over me very fast, blackening out the beautiful blue sky. It seems to be a kind of factory in the sky. I keep flying horizontally, deeper into that hangar-like airship.

Suddenly a funny little robot like thing flys next to me, communicating to me in undecipherable peeptone language, which I of course don't understand. Actually the robot looks like a white microwave oven with some wings and rotators attached. It's funny. Lots of things in my dreams and lucidventures are funny now. That's good. I like a lighthearted approach to my lucidventures and experience funny things. :lol:

I come to a stop when I see a man on a platform on some machines operating, he pauses when he sees me and looks at me with a slight, expectant smile. It might be that I saw him in dreams before. Unfortunately, before I can find out more, I cannot hold it and 'vanish' again.

I 'wake up' in the lower portal. So this is a false awakening. I go into the bathroom. I look into the mirror. I talk to myself.

I am a girl again. Another one, caucasian with dark hair. But that does not alert me in any way. I consider it to be me (again). It is highly likely (for me about 90% certainty I'd say) that it is the same girl, possibly at a younger age as a child, as this woman whom I also saw in a dream in a mirror lately: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23105 (http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23105) . That woman wore a red dress, too. The mirror in my parent's home is not big, so I only see her upper body half, but the clothing is indeed red.
This time, "me"/the girl makes some funny grimaces while talking to me/myself. (I don't know what is said anymore). She lifts her hands. I feel that this might somehow be an allusion to my hands-reality checks I lately re-introduced and performed before going to bed. It seems she makes / I make fun of it, but in a nice, humorous and friendly way. It's a child / we are children, after all.

Then I wake up, no PREE sensations reported in log file.

Comments / Afterthoughts

My goodness, the 'Lady In Red' really haunts me now. Former incarnation? Possible. I asked for 'meeting my incarnations' before sleep quite a few times. Sometimes it is interesting how you might get what you ask for. I hope that one day I will be more lucid (the False Awakening took even more lucidity from me) and then I'll fly into the mirror. Let's see what happens. My way of past life regression? Who knows? The research is in progress. About the other black/mulatta girl:. I saw here once in another projection, but not in a mirror.

The factory that was blocking me from going up: Well, possibly it "tells" me that before I can fly up again, I need to go into the garage for a repair or check-up or 'tune-up' of my energy body / flying machine. As some discussions here also showed, I still have not learnt to notice that I should not try to fly up when I am "not supposed to". The blocking of the sky (and its probable reason) continued in the following more recent lucidventure, that's why I add it now already:

19/Apr/2011
Sky Borders Again, The Dog & New Insights On PREES

The lucidventure was much longer, but I keep it to some facts of the main theme (sky barrier) and 2 other important issues:

Again I wanted to go up into the nightly sky and was blocked. Some kind of ceiling (again!) was dragged above me. Suddenly I was running through a kind of huge hall (airport, huge shopping centre, railway station - anything of that kind) with people in it, I was frantically searching the exit to get up to the sky again. But I did not find it. Finally when I found an exit, I said to myself 'hey, I was here before' - meaning in another projection where I also did not manage to fly up - Instead of remembering that lesson I tried to lift off again and of course: I failed. :roll:

In another scene I heard a dog growling at me. I decided to turn around and face the dog (not really scared I was). The 'beast' then turned out to be a sweet little puppy I could pet then. Issue resolved.

Before that, during the hectic run through the big hall I noticed that I was 'losing it' and looked at my hands ('concentration'!) to stabilize myself again. It worked. I also noticed the onset of PREES then, it eased off after I stabilised myself by focussing on my hands.

I woke up with PREES and did a good imprinting process to remember most of the lucadventure.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Yeah, it is hopeless, I know. I am not lucid enough (so far) to remember that I am "not supposed" to fly up in those simulations, but it is my natural urge to do so. I need to remember it. But maybe (and I hope so now) it is a learning effect now and I will remember it next time (that rocket starts are cancelled, at least for the time being).

At least, the lucidventure, although a seeming setback at a first look, was not completely useless regarding some progess in other areas. Three things could be learnt about or at least solidified by repetition:

1. Another fear issue could be resolved (not that I had not done this before!) with the dog. (Not that I was really afraid, though!).
2. PREES is an energetic thing and it happens to me also in the Astral. It is a clear FADING SIGN. So it is also a PRE-Reentry Electric Sensation. (I stick to the name PREES though, the first P meaning either pre- and post-, or both). I now remember that in former lucidventures I had noticed this too, it happens to me before I fade in the astral or during the fading. Why had I forgotten that? It is the same 'electric/electromagnetic' "body" feeling. And even more important: I now practiced how to delay it by focussing on my hands! (a lesson I learnt recently and that is also to be reported in another post).
3. Post-Reentry Imprinting/memorisation process repeated successfully. (Again, same thing: I will mention this technique in another lucadventure of the following day (and thus next post) actually (as promised! so stay tuned, poeme :wink: ))
(My goodness, this is now all a real personal science for me (and I'm still a newbie!). But it is also fun and exciting. :) )

Korpo
23rd April 2011, 08:12 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

About the first one - the symbols are very interesting. For example - a hangar normally contains? Planes. Probably the energy body you found yourself was not able to go beyond the limitations of the plane you were on. That's why "the sky was the limit" ;) in this case.

The little robot you met could have been something similar to what Kurt calls a robot - the consciousness of a place that shares information with you, this time maybe why you can't get through the boundary. The microwave-oven like looks might be a clue. What is a microwave? A wave of high frequency. And what you heard were beeps.

This probably was a kind of communication you did not have enough skill to decode yet. Maybe that's also why the factory operator you met did only look at you. There's a phase during the developing of the communication skills where nobody seems to say very much (because you are not able to pick it up yet).

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
23rd April 2011, 10:15 PM
This probably was a kind of communication you did not have enough skill to decode yet. Maybe that's also why the factory operator you met did only look at you. There's a phase during the developing of the communication skills where nobody seems to say very much (because you are not able to pick it up yet).
You are right, this is true of very early projections where projectors mostly are very alone and do not report any encounters (that's what Kurt also wrote in his books, true?). It is also very true of most of my projections (til today), especially the early ones. However, I think that has changed a little bit for me of late. E.g., in that library on the mental plane (Nov 2010) I had lots of longer talks with the people there (just forgot most of the content :( ). So it's rather a memory problem then? Also, many times I ignored lots of people in the astral with whom I probably could (and should?) have talks - which was my mistake due to my unilateral goal-orientedness.
Also, in this lucadventure here, there was really no time anymore for a talk, since it was the moment that I faded, I only saw him for what felt like 2-3 seconds or so. Possibly he would have said sth?
Now I still have from mid-March on some more lucidventures also with dialogues to report. The next one form March 15th will be an example of this - although I can add beforehand now, that this longer conversation (actually with a quite dubious or probably even "fake" guide) leaves more questions unanswered for me than I had before that talk (and maybe you have an idea then for me what some of it could mean, looking forward to your help).
cheers, volgerle

Sinera
24th April 2011, 01:19 PM
15/Mar/2011
Agitated Mum / The Circus / The Fake Guide

This is another long adventure (long in my terms :wink: ). Not on the mental plane, such as the Library visit, but still quite amazing and insightful for me. It has three parts, sorry, yeah, it gets bit longer again. For the first time I did a very important memorisation technique afterwards. I would have lost almost everything otherwise. I will comment on the importance of doing this below, maybe it helps s.o. here, too, as a reminder to do after non-physical experience (from regular dreams to projections). Due to the segmentation in distinctive parts I will add a single Comments-section after each major part.

Intro:
I get vibes in hypnagogia and smile, even laugh this time, while remembering again my targets. I noted that happiness and a 'looking-forward-attitude' is a vital exit success ingredient - at least for me.
Primary target is 'the portal' (my childhood bedroom, upstairs, there is another one downstairs that will play a role here).
When the vibes recede, I affirm again harder for my portal ... and I wait because it is still dark, but I know I am 'phased' there now.

Agitated Mum

Next, I am drawn almost a bit violently out of bed in the 'lower/downstairs portal' by a very resolute Mum. It was dark in that room, but then we 'walk' (or fly?) through the lit corridor and finally into the lit kitchen where she shows me sth that upset her.
Her cause for being upset is however utter trivial: it seems the egg-cooker is broke, I see that the lid is off with only one egg in it (and it seems to be put somehow on a peak). Nevertheless, she seems to be so completely unnerved by it. She makes funny elaborated gestures, at one point it seems she drops down on her back but gets up soon after again (all within a second!), so it is just an expression to me or her bewilderment, which I don't understand.

I tell her not to worry. And then I clap her on the arm and say: 'Mum, it's just a dream. Don't worry. You are only dreaming.' First I seem to have problems to convince her that it is a dream. Then I grab some plates out of the cupboard, place them on the floor before me and then use my hands to levitate them up and down.
My Ma again acts emotionally and for me again in a funny way. Somehow she clasps her hands (in relief as it seems) and utters some 'oh' and 'ah' sounds, interjections we usually use when we 'get it'. Now she is not too confused about this realisation and seems to accept it with ease.

I tell her I have to leave now to „the city“ (meaning the Astral) for other things but pad her on her arm again and suggest we agree on a code word and see if she recalls something of it (or this dream of hers) when I ask her later in waking life. The password I tell her is "Blume" (engl: flower), she repeats it and nods to indicate that she has memorised it.
I turn around and fly out of the house (knowing I must hurry now because I lost time) through the main entrance into 'the city'.

Comments / Afterthoughts

First, the interesting thing about this episode is that is resembles another account of another poster in another forum. I read it lately again in connection with validations. Here it is:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welco ... #msg214951 (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/validation_thread-t25607.0.html;msg214951#msg214951)



Walking up the garden path I passed through the front door and into the hallway in my parents' house, where I discovered my mother watching in utter surprise as I came in through the front door.
I calmed her down and explained that this was just a kind of "special dream" and she had nothing to worry about. We walked through the living room and into the kitchen where I sat down on a very flimsy wooden "sewing basket", knowing that I couldn't break it. My mother complained, saying I'd break the basket but I reassured her that I was "as light as a feather" and it wouldn't break.
Then I decided to show off, so I started pointing at objects, cups, jars etc, making them fly around the kitchen. My mother was pretty shocked by all of this. At this point I lost consciousness and returned to my physical body.

So the critical question I must ask myself (and I still consider myself an open-minded skeptic and ask these questions): Was I influenced by this and did I possibly 'dream up' the whole thing? The answer is an almost clear 'no'. Everything hints to a solid lucidventure (vibrations, texture and intensity, other episodes, post-reentry electricity, ludicity, etc.). Furthermore, many other core and surrounding facts are not similar to catmeow's account at all. The similarities are just two of the core elements: projector meets dreaming mother in her kitchen, projector lets objects fly to prove to mother she is dreaming. However, I cannot exlude the possibilty that, since I re-read catmeows account lately, I had this 'idea' of letting things fly stored in my memory-subconscious and thus was influenced by it, when it 'occured to me' to do this during the lucadventure.

Of course, since I chose my childhood house as my 'portal' I often meet the people living there (parents, sister) and talk to them. It seems a special case (and a problem) with my mother now: It almost seems I am attracted like a magnet by my mothers emotional force, as in this case (a similar one will be reported soon). This is not good because it keeps me from other things to do.

There is another interesting strong fact that supports my hypothesis: The location, the bedroom of my mother. Her bed stands now EXACTLY (!!) at the point where I was drawn out of bed by her at the beginning of the episode! It used to be my childhood room (the downstairs one) too, but my bed stood then in different spot in that room. You see? I was drawn out of the bed of my mother, where she sleeps right now in current physical life! So I had (forcedly?) joined her dream world there and we went together then (me a bit less voluntarily) into the kitchen, which is the place in physical life where we are mostly talking when I visit her. And she needed to talk to/with me about her troubles. Wow, this makes all so perfect sense now it almost scares me!

This assumption is further supported by another projection from March 30th (to be posted soon) where I again meet her again in her bedroom because she 'beckoned' me to get there for a talk. There is also a recent dream where I was hiding from her outside while she was looking for me searching the house and outside. I did not want to be found, so maybe that also was an expression of my problem.

As to the validation possibilty: I did so far not ask my mother directly if she remembers something (the dream or even the code word). We normally don't talk about dreams (who does?) that much. I don't think she remembered anything.
However, when I visited my parent's house (physical plane) the first time after this experience, she was talking all the time agitatedly about one topic only. The (then) current news about Japan. She seemed very disturbed by it. She talked about nothing else. I tried to calm her and direct the talk to other topics, but that was difficult.

Now, another crazy hypothesis. Look at the egg cooker. Look at a typical European reactor dome (I know the Japanese ones look different, but this is how we imagine nuclear plants).

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQESOkxBzaps30sdked9p0oKRC7AWVnC-6oJvZk3-8yrtIZ0lJ4Rtv8_Qhttp://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ4DnrO6K0pJFt3lk4sxQUT19qG2e-n0OwcsgjKs5_OvFk2eDEQiQ

Need I say more? And note again: in the lucidventure/dream the lid of the egg cooker was blown off !!!

The Circus

After leaving home, I fly in the direction of the city. However, it does not resemble my hometown anymore. Still, it seems to be a small town.

Then I ask my (invisible) guide what to do to keep up lucidity and this adventure, it's one of my greatest problems to fade too soon out of it.

The answer comes in the next scene: I arrive at a kind of Circus. Outside there is platform, also a huge screen behind it. On the stage are an ensemble of dancers who perform piece of music and dance in a kind of narrow dark-grey tight suits. A small audience is scattered around them.

I fly or rather hover above them in the air. I concentrate on them while they focus on their intricate dance moves. And suddenly I seem to understand the answer. (Don't ask my why exactly, but I understood). Somehow it has to do with 'focussing' and 'concentration'. I take the second word and repeat it all over again. I fly off again, but not without extending my thanks to the group of dancers (did they even notice me? no idea.) and my Guide. I repeat the word 'concentration' all the time while 'focusing' my vision on my hands. And I decide this is what I do to keep up lucidity in-between: Look at my hands.

I fly on, happy to have learnt something again. The next lesson isn't long in coming.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I lately also read this in J. Ziewe's book, he constantly uses this technique of focussing on a spot, an object or his own hands and the act of making out intricate patterns on its surface, all in order to stay 'focused on the state/plane he is on and increase the perception sense. It is also what I did in physical life quite often: the reality check. I guess, it is what many of us do as a means to GAIN ludicity. But of course, it can be used to keep up lucidity as well. I will try to integrate it into my routines when I'm out.(And my lucidventure of April 19 - see above - already showed its benefits!).

The Fake Guide

Next I stop flying and land before the Circus tent. I ask if there's s.o. to give me advice. A guy pops up out of the tent. He looks quite average, a man in his 30ies or so with dark hair.

I start asking him questions. I seem to take him for a guide (or even 'my guide'?? I have forgotten if I thought that). What follows is an question-and-answer game of a more reticent kind. Well, at least he answers at all. He is the first person I speak to for a longer time since my lucidventure at the library last November, so I am happy to have s.o. to bombard with questions.

The following dialogue is just paraphrased version, it is not a literal rendering of the actual dialogue, which I couldn't do anyway. So it's just an approximation of the whole talk, a re-enactment inferred from my notes, as best as I can:

Me: "I would like to do retrievals. What do you think? Is it still to early for me to do this kind of job?"
Guide: "You need to wait. Two or three ... [times?]."
Me: "What can I do to prolong my projections? How long can or should it be at maximum? It's difficult for me to keep it up for so long."
Guide: "About 10-15 minutes are enough to reach, not more."
Me: "Wow, 10 minutes would already be a lot. I want more experience and learn. I also would like to [jokingly] 'clean up the Astral' and help people move on. What can I generally do?"
Guide: "Nothing."
Me: "Nothing?"
Guide: "Yeah. Nothing." [shrugs]
Me: "Nothing? Oh well, [jokingly] not that I don't like this kind of Buddhist serenity, I know a relaxed attitude can be even helpful, but in the end it leads nowhere for me. Come on, there must be something."
Guide: "I have no time to care for you now. I need to care for the others."

Being quite friendly first, in the end, he seems to have become a bit edgy. He then turns to a group of his company, some are dressed as clowns or in colourful carnival costumes (remember, it's a Circus). They also look younger than him, most are like children. They intimately embrace in a circle (like a sports team). I feel a bit let down and literally 'excluded'. Seems my 'consultation' time was up now.

Before I can worry too long about what I have done wrong (or if at all), I am suddenly hurled back into physical reality (maybe to do no more harm)?

Comments / Afterthoughts

This last episode left more questions than answers or lessons learnt.

Why did he cut short the talk then? Was he even suddenly becoming hostile or unnerved by me? Well, maybe my expression 'to clean up the Astral' wasn't the most tactful, but I wasn't quite 'in my mind' when I said this. It was jokingly, but nevertheless, maybe it got misunderstood. I would not have said it this way when 100% lucid. So this is also why I felt a bit sorry. Despite the great experience, I felt a bit depressed for some time due to this last scene. In my mind I even apologised to him for that.

Perhaps the lesson here is in communication rather than in anything else. :?:

It might also be to learn to distinguish friendly guides from guys that pose as councellors because they just 'happen to be there' by accident. In hindsight, this guy was not a guide for me. Or was he? Or maybe he was a kind of 'facilitator', after all. But I wasn't one of his clients/protégés, so to speak. It is most likely that I will never know.

Judging the tree by his fruit: Were his hints and information given useful at all? I don't think so. And what does the Circus mean? And what did he mean by "two or three ...". I put "times" in brackets because I did not know what it meant or if he said sth different: Projections? Attempts? Years, months, weeks? Simulations?

Outro:

I wake up abruptly without any transition time. Again with PREE sensations.

I do the very best thing I could do: I know that I would have forgotten almost all of it. So I start the „imprinting“ process. A technique, which I would recommend to everyone. I knew I had to do this now since I had such a multi-scene long experience with so many facettes and shades. I NEEDED TO REMEMBER THIS. I knew I had to try anything possible. I knew: I MUST NOT FORGET. So I closed my eyes again and 'got to work'.

I applied the "imprinting technique". It works for me, so if anyone is interested, give it a try. I'm certain that I would not have rememberd a bit if I had got up and tried to remember. (No, of course I dont lay claim to be an inventor of this. You will find these hints in some good astral projection or lucid dreaming books, too. But it is important to really do this. Therefore an important reminder, to myself and others here, it is vital to do this to remember your long dreams and lucidventures!)


POST-IMPRINTING/MEMO TECHNIQUE FOR NON-PHYSICAL EXPERIENCES

After you 'wake up' do the following:

1.) DO NOT MOVE !!!
Not by an inch !!! It is vital you stay exactly in the sleeping position you where in when you 're-entered/woke up'.
2.) CLOSE YOUR EYES AGAIN !!
If you opened them at all, shut them almost immediately again!
3.) Start REWIND-REPLAY PROCESS on the spot!
This is vital to get down all the information, you should do this scene by scene, that means go back to 3. min and play it til 4 min., then go back to 2.min to 3.min to fill the gap... etc.
Alternatively, you can also try to do it all fom the beginning, but I believe that is even more difficult. Or you can do it from last scene (start to finsh), then the scene before that and before that and so on.
No matter which way, be VERY patient and keep your eyes closed and go through the whole experience until you are certain that you 'saved' everything back into waking memory. You can be certain: if it is only once repeated, it will stay. If you are uncertain go through specific 'insecure' parts a second time, after that you can be sure that you have stored it in your short-/middle-term memory and go to step 4.
4.) Only then you should move, get up and go to your dream/projecion JOURNAL and note it all down immediately, maybe some additional memories as details and smaller scenes will come to you as 'fillers', then too. This happens naturally when you have re-played the main context it is embedded in.CONCLUSION

You see, I learnt quite a few things from this experience, some lessons were facilitated within the experience, some lessons conveyed by the necessity to overcome problems caused by the type of experience (e.g. over-long multi-scene lucidventure):
- don't trust everyone who acts as a guide, don't confide to everyone
- sometimes it's better to keep your mouth shut in the astral
- avoid being drawn like a magnet into dream worlds of (m)others, therefore: if necessary change exit points (portals)
- use a post-imprinting (rewind-replay) technique for memorisation
- use 'concentration/focus' technique (hands) to sustain lucidity
- looking forward to the target, smiling/laughing during vibes is the ideal amplifier for phasing success (while visualising target)
- 'private' astral 'locations' can have a quite sophisticated structure:on the inside: dream access of other members who are sharing the same or parts of the same location (mother), entanglement with the physical place (mother/childhood bed location) as well as emotional entaglement (worries of mother); on the outside: the portals to leave (to the astral 'city') and re-enter (which I indeed did in another adventure!)

Sinera
25th April 2011, 11:49 AM
So has anyone here met any 'fake guides' or people in the astral that were seemingly advisers but their advice turned out to be more or less unsubstantial (as in my case of the last post)?

Sinera
25th April 2011, 03:22 PM
I break the chronological order again because this one has a similar 'theme' to the last one reported above. After that I will do 2 or 3 posts on another (very exciting!) new string of events ('theme') happening to me recently.

30/Mar/2011
First Teleportation Success

I get lucid within a dream (a rarer case of mine!) on a field near the hometown of my childhood. It is where we used to go for walks in my childhood, there is also lots of forests nearby.

My immediate idea is to try a 'jump' / 'teleport' / 'phasing' or however you wanna call it. I choose a target that is not far away: the garden of my parent's home. I tried it once in another projection but it failed. So I give the command: "teleport: garden childhood home."

It does not work again. Or at least not perfectly. It gets dark. I see black. But something has changed. I feel some muddy earth below my feet. It gives way a little, I sink in a few inches with my feet. It feels like farmland soil.
We had flower beds and vegetable patches in our garden with lots of soil. But it was more in former times, when I was a child. Today, it is more grassy area there and only a few patches for plants or veggies now.
Since I have not yet any vision I cannot determine if I really 'arrived' at my set destination or elsewhere. I touch myself on the breast to feel me. I feel something cold, it's not my skin. Seems I wear a coat or sth.

Then my idea about "idents" that work with persons. So instead of affirming a location I say „teleport: Mum“ (as it comes naturally) with some emotion in it. Suddenly, the next instant (really!) it is as if someone has switched on the light and I see everything.

I arrived! I AM standing in the garden of my parent's home. And it seems it is the garden of my childhood days. I look down (we live on a hill, so the outside surface is slightly slanted) onto the house. There is again the low hedge before it (about 1m in height, it is separating the garden in two parts) that has been removed many years ago. It is not daytime, rather dusk or dawn. So the atmosphere is rather somber.

I see my mother in the kitchen. Or better: what is the kitchen in physical life. It is empty. I can see her als standing there because the window is no window at all, but just an opening. There is no glass windows, no curtains, shutters, etc. The house is empty, it is like a new / shell construction in progress. That is why I see my mother well, as she stands in the middle of the kitchen.

She beckons me with her left arm, giving me a sign to go to the right (left from my side as I am still about 15 metres away in the garden, looking down on the house and facing her). Right means another room where I will meet her. Guess where? Right! In her today's bedroom, which is of course no bedroom in this location but also as furniture-less and resembling a construction site more as the rest of the house.

I start to run down very fast, kind of leap (or even fly) over the hedge, jump into that square opening (that was or is to become a window?) and so am very fast in that room. I see her sitting there on a chair. Otherwise I don't remember seeing any furniture. Looks like she is in her 50ies or so (she's in her seventies today). She has shorter hair, which she hasn't had this way for many years (as far as I remember).

You won't believe it, but what follows next is the worst cliffhanger any screenwriter could write for a movie or TV show. But I swear, that is how it happened!

I ask her: "Mum, what happened to the house?"
She sighs and says: "Well, [myrealname], it's like that: ..."

I do not get to hear the last part of the sentence. Suddenly I get hurled out of this scene. I wake up. (This time no PREES is documented in my notes, but I guess I had some).

Comments / Afterthoughts

This doubtless teleportation success gets spoilt a bit by the more sullen type of the ensuing scene with my mother. Interestingly, there also seems a kind of 'time travel' involved. I was travelling to the astral location of our house, but not into the present. This is not surprising at all, since many of my previous trips to the 'portal' were of the same kind. Moreover, I seem again to have entered the dream world of my mother. As my 'Agitated-Mum'-post already showed you, I enter the dreams of my mother quite regularly. I also could report on other ("normal" non-lucid) dreams with me in "her place" and dreaming stuff that might be hers.
Next to my "time travel portal" it is also that she might dream a lot of the past herself, too. So this explains the 'time leap'. Moreover, the emptiness of the house, where she lived now for many decades, might have been an expression of fear and loneliness (or: fear of loneliness). Just a guess, but the background to her 'dream' of an empty home might be that my father is over 80 now. I guess, she might be in a growing fear of losing him. (He is very healthy, btw, like she is, so I think it is mainly about fear).

Monroe and other projectors were right. The 'ident' of a person, plus a kind of emotional entanglement, that guarantees a success of teleportation. But what to do if you want to get to a 'place only' without connecting it to someone? Can you develop an emotional entanglement with any location by desire to get there? How to do that? No idea.

Anybody here who knows good advice on location teleports/jumps/phasing?

poème
25th April 2011, 06:07 PM
Hello Volgerle,
Very interesting adventures that you have...and very interesting to read too!

About the fake guide adventure...


Perhaps the lesson here is in communication rather than in anything else. :?:

Is it possible that there was no lesson to learn past the point you understood what the previous lesson was pointing out? That would mean that you were still out there but left with some time to explore freely the surroundings.



In hindsight, this guy was not a guide for me. Or was he? Or maybe he was a kind of 'facilitator', after all. But I wasn't one of his clients/protégés, so to speak.
You seem to answer very well your own questions here :wink:
He probably wasn't a bad guy or wasn't necessarily posing as a counsellor. He happened to be there and talked to you just like some strangers met down the street may chat lightly with you for a minute or two, about the time it is for instance, or the weather, and perhaps other general knowledge topics. But maybe your questions were getting kind of deep, and it's possible that it was just not «his cup of tea» or/and that it was not at all linked to what he teaches. Besides, you pictured his «protégés» as little children... This shows that you sensed they were at a different level than your own. This certainly wasn't your group.

As for the tips given to improve recall, I was reminded of that this morning...a little too late! Everything was there when I woke up but I opened my eyes too soon and turned on my side before I tried to replay everything, and well lost a part of it as a result...This is when I remembered you mentionned something like «Do NOT move» and «Do NOT open your eyes»! I'll do better next morning, I suppose :lol:

poème
25th April 2011, 06:13 PM
About the recall...

I have often asked Kurt about the level of recall from his adventures. I was kind of hoping that this was the consequence of developing the energy bodies according to what he put forward in his new book and with similar exercises.

But Kurt is also a channeler and has been for many decades. "Unzipping" energy information packets is part of this. It includes reconnecting to the energy of an experience or transmitted in a ROTE, translating and transcribing it. Similarly, as a channeler Kurt has also trained himself in establishing a dialogue with nonphysical consciousness and this helps him delve deeper into the information.

For a detailed account how this can work for one of his adventures, see for example the final paragraphs of The Human Culture Zone.

Cheers,
Oliver

I am kind of late on that one but here goes...

I was kind of hoping the same... Seems like it takes more involvement and time than I thought...Talent too I suppose!
I'm going to read again these paragraph from this perspective. Thanks for the info!

Korpo
25th April 2011, 07:55 PM
Hello, poeme.

Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen seem also good examples that it while it may take time to develop the necessary skills, there's many routes to pursue.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
25th April 2011, 09:19 PM
Hello Volgerle,Very interesting adventures that you have...and very interesting to read too!Thanks, poeme, it's appreciated. I was afraid that no one would want to read it due to its length. :oops: (on this occastion, also thanks to Korpo + CFT again who also contributed here with helpful posts; I hope I am not torturing all of you too much with my "novel-writing" here :wink:)

About the fake guide adventure...
Perhaps the lesson here is in communication rather than in anything else? Is it possible that there was no lesson to learn past the point you understood what the previous lesson was pointing out? That would mean that you were still out there but left with some time to explore freely the surroundings. (...) He probably wasn't a bad guy or wasn't necessarily posing as a counsellor. He happened to be there and talked to you just like some strangers met down the street may chat lightly with you for a minute or two (...)Good point, thanks for reminding me of this. Yes, that might be one of my "problems" now. It seems I tend to forget that "the Astral" might just be a place like the physical too, with lots of unimportant, ordinary, mundane and trivial things happening. Not everything has to be a deep lesson for me. I am probably exaggerating my 'search for meaning' in everything. Thanks for the hint, you may be right about this. And still: one good thing about this dialogue was that I could practice my recall perfectly with it! That makes this 'astral chat' with this 'Average Astral Joe' still very valuable for me. (or maybe THAT was its reason after all? :shock: :wink: )

Sinera
26th April 2011, 08:04 PM
28/Mar & 05/Apr/2011
The Grabbing Hands - It's A Girl!

Recently, this string of exciting developments continued from a thing happening in my lucidventure called Mind-Split & Grabbing Hands In "The Portal" of Dec 14th 2010. It seems, although I tried, I cannot so fast get rid of the portal, because I automatically phase into it. And I cannot get rid of someone grabbing me there by the arms / wrists sometimes.
The portal almost seems connected with the grabbing hands at my wrists / forearms. Only there, I experience this 'force' trying to pull me out. Sometimes it is a bit scary. Sometimes it is interesting. Sometimes it is even somehow funny. First I had problems with assessing this situation - benevolent, neg, harmless and neutral? Now I tend towards beneficient. The final verdict may still be out on this. (In the conclusion sections of the posts, strong doubts are are expressed, due to impressions recorded in my journal right after the experience, but my 'provisional first verdict' is in the last post further down.) Here are the first two of the recent events of this 'theme':

28/Mar/2011
It's A Girl!

At that time I still did affirmations to get to the childhood room portal. I get vibes in hypnagogia as usual. I say to myself 'I am in my childhood room'. Strange: I hear already saying it myself in a normal and in an child's voice, it is kind of dubbed! Seems I arrived.

I try to get out two times, I do, but when 'up' finally it ends in sudden exit blindness. Despite affirmations for vision it does not work, I only see (and I saw that before once) coloured thin lines moving before a velvet black background, like s.o. would paint sth with a thin liner on a black background sheet, colours are mostly white and light colours, but they change rapidly.

It seems then I remembered the helping hands from my early projections (see post "The Helping Hands"). So during the second time I get daring and suddenly say: 'ok, help me out'. Now again, s.o. has my forarm beneath the wrists in his/her grip.

As I do neither see something (except for the thin lines on blackness) and nor am able to use my both 'trapped' hands, I start to 'sense'. Don't ask my what that is exactly. I just 'sensed'. Possibly I am developing other senses now - which is a good thing I heard. :wink:

I sense that we are somehow in the middle of the room already. And I sense LONG, DARK HAIR (around a head, notabene!).

It's a girl, after all. (Unless it's a male metalhead or hippie, or an Orangutan apeman ... but hey, the hair was black, so I can rule out the latter hypothesis again - Phew!). I think I also 'sensed' a female shape then, but not sure about this.

Then, possibly after changing 'my mind' again about the "helping", I suddenly feel it's enough and somehow "phase" back into my bed again. Immediately the pressure on my arms is gone, the girl is gone, too. However, it could be (not sure though) that I heard a silent sheepish maidenly giggle (but not mean in any way) the moment I re-entered into the (astral) bed.

Back in bed, first I think: ok, that's it, I f*ucked it up again. Then another learning experience: I remember that it need not be over at all now. And I am right! I realise that I should try to just stand up and fly around to see if I'm in a lucid dream / projection. And so I do. I am still in the portal and can see now! There is no one except for me. I try to lift of the ground and it works. I know I am in the Astral / dreaming. I get onto the window sill and look down. For some reasons unknown to me I decide not to fly out this time but rather go back into the house. (The experience goes on, but it is not relevant anymore for the 'theme'. Just to add that I woke up with the usual post-reentry-electric-sensations (PREES)).

Comments / Afterthoughts

Who is the girl? Is it the one who appeared several times in my dreams - Ludmilla? When I first had this experience (see lucidventure Dec 14 2010) I had done pre-sleep affirmations to 'meet Ludmilla' . But if it's her why is she so clumsy with me? I don't think now she's a guide - they wouldn't be 'clumsy', or? Moreover, if she would be a friendly entity / guide she would already know that I don't like this violent tugging at me. I decide on that day, if it happens the next time, to communicate with her. And so I did (see below).

Also, it's a good learning experience no to fall into the trap of False Awakenings! Hope I can keep it up!

05/Apr/2011
The Voice And The Fields

First projection:

Hypnagogia, vibes, usual procedure. But this time I get my first vibrations at the head, which is new to me (upper chakra work benefits?). I also have slight vibes at my arms, but nowhere else. And my arms are twitching! Or even s.o. is tugging at them! I feel that one arm (of my energy body I suppose) is lifted in the air for some centimeters and falls down again. Then I sense 'the portal' and also the clenching at my forearms again. I feel being pulled up. Unfortunately it is dark again, I have no vision.

I ask (as I planned) the entity to tell me its (her?) name. First I hear nothing. Then, after a short while of waiting and patience and my self-confident teasing why she is so 'shy' (yeah, I fight back now!), the answer comes. I hear a woman/girl's voice, which I do not recognise from any earlier experience. When I say: I "hear" it, I really mean it. It is so strangely different from other things you "hear" in the Astral or in dreams, the typical non-physical, telepathic way of communication. No, this is very different. I really hear it - literally! This was another person (spirit) "speaking" to me, neither any dream character nor my own projection, I am 100% sure now. I also think I hear if more from my right side (and little more back).

She says: 'You will know this soon.'

Oh, fine. Fabulous! I see! How illuminating! :roll:

We seem to fly, (possibly out of the window a bit to the right then into the direction of the forest) and I still don't see anything. She goes on talking, but somehow the rest I understand is garbled for me, I just get a clue about sth that we 'first have to get to the 'fields', but I am not sure about the word: in German it sounded like "Felder" (fields) or "Keller" (cellar) - the second term is a bit scary for obvious reasons! Maybe that caused my blinking out then? The voice distorts or fades then. I wake up.

A girl whom I cannot see but at least hear and 'sense/feel' now. Well, seems I keep literally having 'blind dates' now. :mrgreen:

Second projection:

I get lucid but without any vibes. I am in the portal again. I can see immediately. I get up, know immediately that I am dreaming / in the Astral again. I start to lift off the ground for a test - it works! I look out of the window.

There are fields outside! :shock:

It is a sunny day. I see pastures in the distance and what looks like a shepherd as one single figure standing there alone in the vast scenery of lush grass and white flocks which could be sheep. Perhaps (but not sure) this guy holds a classical shepherd's crook. But it is too far away to make out details. All in all, it's is a truly idealised picture, peaceful, sunny, naturalistic, almost portrait-like, it might have romantic and/or even religious connotations. As I do not see much movement it almost has the air of a 'still life painting' for me.

However, in my state I do not seem to be fixed on it too much. I want to fly out of the window and pursue my set targets (and 'waste no thought' of flying to these fields). I fall down. It is dark again. I stand at the driveway before my parent's home, trying to lift off, but hardly make it. I try to teleport to one of my targets (the marketplace of my current hometown). I fail miserably and wake up with PREES instead.

Comments / Afterthoughts

As said above. Not very illuminating. At least I know she has black hair and how her voice sounds. She probably talked about some "fields" that I saw in the 2nd projection, but only could relate it to her utterances later when awake again. If she talked about these fields (to get to the shepherd?) then she might be a benevolent helper - despite her 'violent' approach? Maybe the tugging out is necessary to 'train' me or get my energy aspects out faster? Still, I am not certain about anything.
Also, a thought about vibrations: I normally would like to wait for vibrations (I like them!) to happen and then do the exit. Her tugging almost before any vibes seems to send a quite indirect message to me: "WASTE OF TIME, SO CUT THE CRAP, BOY!" It seems I'm (supposed to be) beyond the vibrational thing to happen and will become a 'phaser' now. (?)

Another afterthought: seeing shepherds in dreams, after all, can mean something good.
"Shepherd - Dreaming that you see a shepherd, indicates that you will have an honest and great friend."
http://mysteries24.com/l-13232-Shepherd
"Shepherd - To see a shepherd in your dream, symbolizes the nurturing aspect of your character. It represents guidance, direction, and unification."
http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... h=shepherd (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=shepherd)

Should I be optimistic now? It seems it was a mistake not to try to fly out there. Stupid me. Possibly, I should try affirmations to "get to the shepherd's fields" next. Maybe that is the purpose of the simulation? Get out of the dark night and onto the sunny fields? Or maybe it was just a visual sign of friendship given to me? Or both? Confused again.

Sinera
26th April 2011, 08:05 PM
09/Apr/2011
Personal Trainer? Part 1: Flight Simulation: Appartment

I had made a decision before that night. I knew there was only one way or another, no in-betweens: trust or refusal with complete defensive action. I opted for trust.

In hypnopomp state, I get only very slight vibes, mostly around the arms, but almost non-existent. It seems I don't need vibes anymore. I feel the pressure 'grip' around my lower arms again - so 'she' is back. I send the signal that I like to be taken by the hands and instead of being 'seized' like that. And she obeys!

We fly out. I have both my hands in her hands now as she is dragging me after her. I don't see her. I see nothing again, but the darkness is not dark at all but rather 'lighted'. It is like when you gaze at a lamp or are in sunlight and close your eyes.
During the whole experience I did not see the entity dragging me. I also did not pay attention to myself (body). I just was a point of consciousness. This time I also did not talk to the entity. I just let it happen. So we just fly around, the entity dragging me along behind her. All the time, I felt her hands clearly, they felt like human hands indeed. Sometimes I even think that this kind of usual 'sweatiness' and warmth set in after you hold hands after a while.

After my vision sets in, we are in an appartment with a high ceiling as it seems. (As said, I did not see "her", just where I was flying but always feeling the hands I held and them dragging me). We fly through inner and outer walls, windows, cupboards. There are people present. One guy with black hair, yawning. We fly above him but he does not notice us. I apologise to him for intruding, but he also does not hear me. I also utter - as I indeed seem to have a lot of fun - some ohs and ahs and laughs. After we fly "into" another cupboard in a kitchen, the lucidventure ends. I wake up with PREES.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Seems like a training session to me, if you ask me. Although I do not know what it was about exactly. I have flewn through flats and objects before (alone). So I don't know what the learning experience should have been.

Probably, it was a kind of introductory confidence- and trust-building measure only. A kind of first trip out together as a 'warm-up'. It's like your first lesson (as a metaphor now) in a driving school where you are supposed to get the feel of driving the car for the first time and your instructor only lets you operating the steering wheel (operating the brakes and gas pedal himself) while you cruise around slowly on a few streets through a boring low traffic suburban neighbourhood. Even if you tell them you have driven a car before on clandestine trips, they don't do it differently, but rather pull through their educational 'program'.
Just my 2 cents on this, however, I have no idea (yet) if I am right or completely mistaken. Future will tell (as she said: 'I will know soon').

17/Apr/2011
Personal Trainer? Part 2: Flight Simulation: Forest

A few days nothing happened to my disappointment. Then: "another trip out".

I grabbed a hand again but I do not remember too much of the start (e.g. if I had vibrations or wherefrom we started). I am again dragged by the 'invisible hands', this time through some woods of my childhood. Again I don't see s.o. but have lots of fun and a good laugh.
When "we" arrive at the garden of my childhood home (btw, almost the same spot as in the Teleportation-post) I am "dropped" or land and am alone. (Our garden is next to a forest, very cool place to live indeed). It is night or dusk/dawn again. I climb over the garden fence and stand on the grassy lane that runs parallel to the forest. Then - I know it gets a bit cheesy now, but that's how it happened - I hear from far a beautiful angelic choir singing in high tones, or a bit medieval style church choir. I decide to investigate, but as soon as I lift off the singing stops and I also wake up, this time without PREES.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I get the feeling I am supposed (in this simulation?) to get farther away from the darkness around my "astral childhood home" in order to reach the light-filled heavenly fields shepherd / angelic choir. Maybe that's why I got 'dropped' there - to find my way on my own. And the angelic choir was in the same direction as the shepherd's fields, so was the (felt but not seen) direction that time when 'Ludmilla' talked to me.
What happens next? What will we fly through? For me, this is a really thrilling development! It gets to be a kind of weekly cliffhanger suspense thriller TV show where you cannot wait til the week is up again for the next episode to come.
(However, so far, date 26th April, no meeting or "roundtrip" happened anymore, I am waiting... maybe it IS a weekly show, after all? Next episode should be up soon ... :mrgreen: :wink: ).

Sinera
26th April 2011, 08:06 PM
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTsG0v202iPQHdNR9gU3i3ms1Je0CN3S zn1Q6fy1sSa43Ln0ItevCtBpw Phew! - Ok, I'm ready now, we're up-to-date. :D

So this is my state of affairs, as concluded from the very recent events: I need to get to the fields!

By this I can hopefully 'break the astral/dream simulation' presented to me. And I hope I will then be able to 'phase/wake up' in the astral in another bed or place instead of my childhood bedroom. (Maybe even phasing "into these fields"? But I doubt that I will be able to do that.)

My certainty has risen during the last days (thinking about hardly anything else, as you might understand) that I need to find the beautiful and "sunny shepherd's/angel-choir's pastures", in order to get on. Good thing about this: I will not have to fly up (and fail again expectably). I can stick to ground level and fly horizontally. And I know the way since I know the "astral-geographical" direction almost exactly relative to my astral childhood home "portal" (isn't this kind of relative navigational sense a part of Kurt Leland's 'environmental' or 'kinesthetic' senses?). Should be a piece of cake. :wink:

So here's a short summary of my expermimental and ensuing rational "findings" (please advise if you think you find a flaw in my reasoning):

The reasons why I know that I have to reach the fields and how to find them:

1. the clear view from my window that showed them to me in the first place
2. the direction of the angel's choir's voices was the same
3. the entity/guide's clear voice said sth like 'we must get to the fields first' (before I would learn about her name etc.)
4. the direction of our flight when I was blind and she talked to me 'could' have been the forest/fields, too (but I cannot be certain about this, just a 'feeling' as far as I could 'sense' where we were flying)
5. the entity/guide had probably 'dropped' me in the nightly garden for me to find the way to the sunny fields alone
6. the shepherd symbolism probably as a sign to reassure me

And the reasons for (provisional) trust in the entity are the following:

1. the entity/guide showed first up the night I did the affirmation to "meet" it (or better: "her", see Dec 14th)
2. the entity's 'looks' so far (as I can judge) coincide with the entity provisionally known by me as "Ludmilla"
3. if she was a "neg" ... she could have harmed me already all the time (but didn't) !!! (= most important argument, the more I come to think about it ...)
4. she already taught me some 'indirect lessons', e.g. developing senses by "seeing without seeing" her hair and also (albeit reluctantly as it seemed) by letting me "hear" her; e.g. the 'cut-the-crap' lesson regarding vibrations; e.g. the flying lessons (although I still don't know what I was supposed to learn by that)
5. she 'obeyed' my communicated request / 'wish' to be taken by the hand instead of being seized by both wrists
6. finally, next to logically assessing the clues I got so far, my intuition tells me I am right (about both: the entity and the fields)

So for the following days, I will go to bed with the affirmation "get to the fields" (or similar) now.

Keep you posted. Hopefully, or if you don't hear from me anymore, well, then probably I was mistaken and Ludmilla was Lucifemilla instead, and instead of getting to any heavenly fields I flew straightaway through a gate to the underworld where my soul will pass quite a few eternities in agony then. :twisted: :mrgreen:

Korpo
27th April 2011, 01:12 PM
About the "sensing" - yes, I had this, too.

I had one or two OBEs where I could not see but sense the room. I had a "feeling for space," a sort of 3D touch that told me far away everything is. It's a very peculiar sensation that has no physical plane equivalent, but the impression left in the mind gives you similar results to vision as you know where some things were "in space," so the mind can map out the territory a bit.

About the fields - upper astral planes can appear like an ideal summer scene. Shepherd and flock can be symbolic, like being the caretaker of something. The plain you see is a plane. ;)

When you target the marketplace you try to switch plane (from astral to physical/etheric) which proves to be challenging. Why not explore the astral when opportunity arises?

If you read CF's accounts you might notice that vibrations are no precondition for OBE and might be misleading. Your out-of-body helper seems to know when you're ready.

About the flight lessons -

I would not focus on the idea of flight. It's just a translation in your mind into terms you know. You just shift from one state of consciousness to another. The point of being led during a flight means this - you're allowing another consciousness to chose the resulting state of consciousness. Being taken by the hand and led is symbolic for this.

It seems like your helper wants to show you different places in the upper astral places to teach you to recognise them. She's building a map within your mind of what exists out there by exposing you to different "place idents." All the signs I see in these descriptions are very positive.

Not seeing during this experiences could mean that you're shifting through locations that your inner senses might not be able to pick up yet. The astral body might be unevenly developed, and experiences like these might help to develop the "missing pieces."

It's all good. :)

About your assessment - why not see what each simulation brings instead of trying to figure it all out beforehand? You might miss out on all the fun...

Cheers,
Oliver

Korpo
27th April 2011, 02:03 PM
PS - about "sensing":

Kurt also has told about a specific kind of simulations - the ones where part of your inner senses are suppressed to demonstrate the function of others more clearly. This might also be the case here.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
27th April 2011, 06:08 PM
Thanks a lot, Korpo, for your good advice and assessments (and encouragement)! Food for thought for me that helps a lot.

About the 'visionless sensing' (be it either accidental or, as you say, also suppressed by the helper as a means of giving another lesson (yes, that also makes sense to me - possibly she did that!)), I feel reminded of the Near Death Experiences of the blind.

Maybe it's is the same sense they use when they are "out" then? I read this book a while ago and it really seems to fit the experience:

http://www.amazon.com/Mindsight-Near-De ... 623&sr=8-7 (http://www.amazon.com/Mindsight-Near-Death-Out-Body-Experiences/dp/0966963008/ref=sr_1_7?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1303926623&sr=8-7)

quote from Amazon description:
"There is compelling evidence that the blind do "see" in those moments, but it is not sight as we think of it. Ring and Cooper uncover a kind of "transcendental awareness" they refer to as mindsight. It involves the strange experience of being able to perceive from all angles at once, from every focal depth at once, and a sense of "knowing" the subject, not just visually, but with a deep and inexplicable knowledge."

So probably we used (or were taught to use) "mindsight" sense. 8)

poème
28th April 2011, 11:15 PM
I agree with Korpo: your experiences feel very positive to me as well :)


I hope I am not torturing all of you too much with my "novel-writing" here :wink:
Not a torture at all...Honestly, I think your stories are well written...And I like the little touch of humor here and there.
And there's even suspense... Do reach those fields: I want to know who that sheperd is! :lol:

Sinera
29th April 2011, 01:20 PM
Not a torture at all...Honestly, I think your stories are well written...And I like the little touch of humor here and there. And there's even suspense... Do reach those fields: I want to know who that sheperd is! :lol:
Thanks, I'll do my very best. :wink: Actually, however, I seem to be in a little drought period again. I tried very hard to 'get out' lately, even attempts of controlled exits by meditation after short-naps (supposed to be a promising method). At one point I seemed near success but failed, when I start to 'fall' I seem to get startled and 'snap back'. Everything else I tried was in vain, too. Recently, I also wilfully induced vibrations 2 times lying in bed - while I was almost in waking state (!!) - but nothing happened. Yes, I know I need to be patient, but that is the hardest part for me. :( I desperately WANT to get out (to the fields) again!
Although this is a lucidiary let me mention a dream I had two nights ago: I was in class, pretty ill-humoured, almost acting as a kind of spoilsport. It seemed that somehow I did not agree with the whole class / educational system. Then I asked the teacher for some important date (but I don't know what event exactly was meant by it). I had proposed/suggested a date in end-April. The teacher stood up, went to a side wall where there was a chart and said: "Oh no, it's on May 2nd. And don't forget the bag." :shock: :?:

poème
1st May 2011, 12:43 PM
"Oh no, it's on May 2nd. And don't forget the bag." :shock: :?:
You've been warned! :lol:

Sinera
24th May 2011, 11:52 AM
24/May/2011
The Viking

Wow, after a long hiatus of over a month (last lucadventure: Apr 17th) I finally 'got out' again tonight. At first glance it's rather disappointing, but on second glance there are some little progress signs.

I get lucid hearing a bird. I am lying in bed in the lower (downstairs) portal. The bird voice comes from the kitchen where we used to have our little green parakeet in the 80ies. So, I am back after all. I soon get completely lucid, knowing my present self and my target. I am now in the upper (upstairs) portal and try to get up.
Something puts a pressure on my throat, congests it. But it is not a person or anything, I also "know" it is not my physical body. It is just an energetic feeling. I say to myself that I don't wanna be kept from getting up by this and that it will vanish. And so it does! Btw, I do not have any vibrations at all. Just this kind of energetic congestion that eased off as soon as I am up.
I'm then standing (as I did before) on the outer window sill of my window (high up on the second floor of our house). This time: no hesitation! I lift off into the sky. I head to my target because I remember it: the fields. I have to fly straight on. It is night, but there is more light over there where 'the fields' are. I also request more light and don't forget to look at my hands (while flying) once for concentration purposes.
I arrive at a kind of jungle-like forest or plains. It is at daylight now. I see some exotic flower-like trees. I still fly on and then I see the shepherd on a kind of clearing.
I go down and land. From near, however, the shepherd 'turns into' a Viking. The shepherd's crook gets a spear. The beard turns into a little thin mustache. He still stands there like a statue, just looking at me. For me, he resembles just a little the cartoon figure from a children's tv show we had in Germany. The fellow looks mostly like the cartoon character "Gorm", just much taller and not so small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vicky_the_Viking

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5gCK1ZiCOu2yeuiLP-9KJexqlUg54bXn2gdW1SqhXMcpiJf89Tw

Before I can interact or go on in some way I get back to my body involuntarily. I have heavy PREES. I remember that I fell asleep immediately again due to heavy tiredness.

Comments / Afterthoughts

As said, first it seems like another boring re-wind and re-play of the same old simulation I have gone through a lot of times now. (However, I want repeatable experiences, so it is okay again, on the other hand.)
The positive assets are: 1. I overcame some energetic congestions and did not get diverted from exiting, seems I have a real warrior attitude now. 2. I became (after a few seconds of 'orientation') highly lucid, remembering my target, this was not always the case: First, before, I often forgot my intentions and targets. Secondly, often when I got to the portal I thought I was a younger version of me and forgot my present 'self' entirely - not this time! 3. I got to the area where the fields were, despite a rather confusing and disappointing result there. 4. I remembered to do other important techniques such as requesting better vision and the hands-concentration practice.

Ok, so what about the Norseman? I view this, as the shepherd, purely in symbolical terms. But that is the problem. What does he stand for symbolically?

Before I did some research, I had my own idea. I tend to interpret symbols in a positive way for me. Maybe too positive, I have to admit. I thought that Vikings were adventurers and discoverers in their time. They broke new ground with their ships all over the world. Of course, they also were warriors.
So I thought that it might be my gained 'warrior attitude', boldness and desire for discovery that is a good thing. Maybe it was a sign that I need even more of it. Background: I try to learn phasing / W.I.L.D. induction now in order to have controlled exits, since I need to get out more often to make progress. I thought it might be related to this.

However, on checking the 'official' dream interpretation teachings, I found a surprise that is a bit unsettling:

"To see a Viking in your dream, indicates that you are feeling violated or conflicted in some way. You are facing a confrontational situation."
http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=Viking (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=Viking)
http://www.dreamsstudy.com/dream_meanin ... bol=viking (http://www.dreamsstudy.com/dream_meanings.php?number=5110&symbol=viking)
"To dream of a viking, means that you have problems."
http://mysteries24.com/l-11576-Viking

There might be something to it. I have a current prob (for months now with rising degrees of intensity) with a noisy neighbour in the flat above mine. It needs to be settled. If I can't I should rather move out because the situation has sometimes become unbearable. I need to confront the neighbour, which so far I avoided - mostly due to my rather 'defensive' attitude, but maybe sometimes it is better or even necessary to fight back and speak up? Of course it also could refer to other kinds of confrontational issues, but this is what comes first to my mind now, since it occupies my thoughts a lot of the time when I am at home (and it starts even already before I get home).

A third interpretation more directly to the character of Gorm:
"a rather over-excited fellow among the Flake Vikings who occupies the position of the lookout" (Wiki)

Does it mean I should be "on the lookout"? Or that I am over-excited (when projecting) too much?

If you have any (other) good ideas or see that one of my interpretations makes (no) sense, please comment.

Korpo
25th May 2011, 04:43 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

The name "Gorm" itself has a meaning, too. Maybe more interesting - what do you, personally, associate with him? I remember his overexcited jumping up and down when I think about the character, for example.

If you get the chance, always ask why they look a certain way. "Why do you look like Gorm (to me)?" might have yielded an interesting answer.

Cheers,
Oliver

poème
28th May 2011, 03:46 PM
I'm glad you finally reached those fields and had new insights about this intriguing sheperd...Although I have no clue either as to what all this may mean, sorry! :?
...But do you remember what were your thoughts in the dream as you saw this character's appearance? Or do you remember how you felt toward this character in the dream? Maybe this could help you understanding the visuals... :)

Sinera
28th May 2011, 05:17 PM
But do you remember what were your thoughts in the dream as you saw this character's appearance? Or do you remember how you felt toward this character in the dream? Maybe this could help you understanding the visuals... :)
No, it all came to an end too fast then. I just kind of 'landed' on this clearing, saw the guy standing there and as soon as I registered his strange looks for merely a second or so, I 'fell back' into my body (with PREES). Maybe because I got the "message" I was supposed to get (if it was one) ?? There wasn't any time left. I don't remember either what I felt or thought when I saw him. I don't even remember how/what I felt/thought before when I spotted him (still up in the air and from far away) down there as the shepherd. Was I happy (I should have been)? I don't know. It all went too fast for me, it was a very short projection in general. :cry:

poème
29th May 2011, 03:50 PM
I wouldn't feel bad about this if I were you. As you mentionned yourself in your earlier post, you did see improvement... And you remembered your target. Chances are that you will also remember in future outings, then you'll find out more... :)

As for the inner speech and feelings in dreams and projections, I'm pretty sure it's possible to train oneself easily for that by simply doing the same in the waking state. We sense, and think and feel a lot more than what the counscious mind (the brain perhaps) can handle in the waking state, which is why it filters so much. But I think it can be trained to pay more attention and filter less. It will then do the same in dreams and projections... Well, maybe you actually already pay attention to your inner speach in dreams and projections... If so, just discard this paragraph :wink:

...And I still want to know more about this sheperd guy, so keep us updated :lol:

Sinera
30th May 2011, 08:23 PM
30/May/2011
Someone Nearly Tore My Arm Off ;-)

Ok, so this is a short one, actually a failure but even failures are sometimes notable - due to the circumstances. In hypnopomp state, I get the dream-like image (or create it myself) of my uncle who died a few months ago. I am partially lucid, and think to myself that he might help me and stretch out my (imaginary?) arms to say hello to him.

Suddenly, my left arm is heavily tugged at, this time more in the direction away from my body (like s.o. tugging at you or pulling you near them) rather than upwards. It is very violent. I am not angry but not really 'pleased' either. Of course, there is no pain, it's my energy arm anyway. Still, it is unpleasant. Then I feel the 'usual' pressure/grip around my wrists again. Ok, usual procedure. (Is it "her"? I don't know. Btw, I did and do not think it is my uncle!). Then I 'ask' (telepathically) for the hands to be grabbed again, which works (usual procedure, my goodness, this is even getting a bit boring now...). So I keep lying there with grabbed hands. I see nothing. (I don't know anymore if I 'felt' a take-off and flying this time).

Then it gets like it was on my "09/Apr/2011 - Personal Trainer? Part 1: Flight Simulation: Appartment" lucadventure: I see 'lighted darkness' with closed eyes (close your eyes and direct your head to a lighted lamp, that's what it is like). Actually, nothing more happens then. I ask the entity: 'where are we going?' No answer. I am already a bit on edge. It has not only to do with the violent clumsy tugging, but also with my general bodily constitution, as I went to bed completely tired and also a bit sick (needing sleep desperately). It did not get better today. I felt tired, stressed out and a bit headachy all day long. So possibly it wasn't my day (night) anyway.

Then I feel something warm (the hands still grabbed and the 'lighted darkness' still on) additionally at my upper left arm. This is the moment when I decide I definitely have enough! As I also did not get any answer til then, I break off the whole thing, which I can do easily by waking up.

Comments / Afterthoughts

It all sucks.

Sinera
31st May 2011, 12:16 PM
Next to my recent bad-mood-post above, though as understandable as it might be, let me add that there are accompanying encouraging dreams again for me. (I could add 'dreams' thus to my 'blue list' from April 26th).

For example:
I am at my university again and meet with a young teacher. She is a young woman (in her twens, like I was too at university back then). I don't know her. While she is talking to me she is making finger gestures with the thumb and index finger varied by degree, showing me different spans while explaining things to me, like this:
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-15.jpg
She says that we are sometimes "that close" (thumb and index finger span gets smaller), but then it gets like this again (span gets wider), then it gets closer again and so on. I do not know if it is the same girl (Ludmilla?) that is tugging at me, rather not. As it is a teacher (and I dream so much of class rooms and teachers lately) I assume (but don't know for sure) that it is indeed referring to my projection training, the 'guided' tours and/or my recent phasing attempts, where I really feel some "getting close(r)" now.

Another example from tonight:
I dream of a fun race competition through a city as well as a forest. I am actually only taken on piggy-back by another guy, so I don't have to 'run/fly' myself. This guy is very fast and proficient indeed. During one scene, we speed at incredibly high velocity through a forest road, then arrive at a city's cross roads. Seems like we won.
Well, which makes it more interesting: the guy in the dream that took me 'with him' on piggy-back is an experienced astral projector of a forum I am in (no, it is not this one and neither is it Astralpulse, so it is no one of you :wink: ). Of course, I don't know this guy personally. It's the first time I dreamt of him. This might be another sign to put even more 'trust' into a more proficient entity (helper, coach, ..?) who lends me a hand (literally) dragging me behind him/her through the astral world? Again: I don't know anything for sure, just interpreting things (as usual) in a positive way for me. But it makes sense, doesn't it?

Sinera
14th June 2011, 03:28 PM
04/Jun/2011
First Phasing (?) Or Hypnagogic Exit (!)

New method: I got up after 2-3 hours of sleep and laid down again after being up for 15 minutes or so. I put on some light clothes and also put a woolen blanket under me for back-up because I lie on the back, which I don't usually do. As I am a notorious side sleeper (actually I so far could never fall asleep while on my back), it has the great advantage of not being so comfortable and falling asleep only very lightly - so it won't be pretty deep and I can get easier into "the state" that helps me exit. That's what I thought. And this exactly works for me (quite a few times now).

So here (on my first attempt) I got into the state where I knew I could exit. No vibrations though! I was looking forward to it and smiled. Then I asked for a hand. It felt like being in my portal again. The hand came, but no strong grip. I stretched out my second hand, the funny thing is that it was somehow with crossed arms. A second hand also came.

I don't know if I rose up but it felt like moving and I saw black. It was the black velvety background with thin lines being drawn again, this time the only colour was violet (which I assume to be a good sign for me).

After a while without seeing anything I requested vision. It came after a few seconds. I saw myself then getting up from bed in my portal indeed when looking at a mirror in the ceiling, seeing my"self". I thought then that I woke up. So this was a false awakening unfortunately, which means I lost this time too much of lucidity. Don't know much about what happened then but I think I soon woke up after that or fell into "normal" sleep/dreams.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I don't know if I really "phased" or just exited from light sleep/hypnagogia, but it is still a premiere anyway, since I did not go out from "the other side" namely from hypnopomp stage (diving up from deeper sleep). This is progress for me. I also seem to be beyond vibrations now completely.
I wonder if the mirror might indicate the 'gate' to my higher self. Nick Newport indicated such a thing in one of his courses. Maybe the colour violet also indicates this for me? At least, I connect violet with my HS. Last but not least: in my pre-sleep affirmations, I had asked my HS to help me with exits. So maybe it worked. :thumbsup:

Sinera
14th June 2011, 05:44 PM
11/Jun/2011
Lesson On Cyclical Times (?)

This is another rather strange one.

After exit (unusually: no portal, helping hands and even this time with vibes) I was in a kind of living room unknown to me. A lady in red dress introduces herself to me, but I forgot her name.

Somehow I think this is the future, despite the fact that there is nothing futuristic about the appartment I am in. This 'feel' is similar to my Oct 17th 2010 (time travel to the year 2194) lucidventure.

I ask her about the date. She says sth like 44-thousand. I am stunned despite my own intutition I had before that it was the far (!) future. I ask: What? Again several thousands is the answer. I grab a notebook or a piece of paper and try to note it down (don't ask me why, I was lucid and knew that I could not take it with me, maybe I wanted to use this as a memorisation practice?).

At one point, the notepad gets pretty small, only a square centimeter in size, of course I cannot use it. Then the lady gives me a paper with a kind of calculation. I see numbers like in an addition but cannot take it in. She often repeats the date and I ask again and again, repeating it to myself and trying to note it down. But it seems the numbers are different every time. Sometimes much smaller even.

She also tells me that in my point in time where I come from there will be soon a kind of asassination of a (political?) leader. She shows me a paper with a Spanish male name on it.

In-between, I look at my hands so as not to fade to soon out of this scene. (Good one! You've learnt your lessons, Volgerle :)).

Other people join the room. They wear funny clothes, but not what I would call futuristic. One guy with a bald head also speaks to me. I ask him again what time they are in and how it relates to 'mine'.
He and the others then tell me about cycles, which explains why they sometimes told me a smaller number and then the whole number of the different cyclical periods added up or combined, as it seems. Depends on how you look at it, they say.
I then ask the bald-headed guy if their (total) year-number is so high and mine so low, because I am from the „first cycle“ with the year 2011.

The guy says yes, and points at my head marking its shape and says that one can clearly see that I am 'from the first cycle' by my looks. This made me feel like being a kind of Neanderthaler. They did look like normal humans to me (but who knows how I looked to them?).

Then I faded and was back quickly the next second in bed, with little but still notable PREES. I looked at my alarm clock to check time, but see below.

Comments / Afterthoughts

After some thoughts about this, I think this was probably a lesson on what NOT to do in a projection? Trying to note down numbers (instead of talking to the people and investigate more).

Also, I forgot that there were many millenia and the most of human history before 'our' year 0. Maybe they just weren't calculating as year 0 according to the Western (Christian) calendar at all? But what was this about cycles then? Sounds like a re-run of the same timeframe. Or some age cycle (e.g. golden age)? Or alternative realities added up? :confused:

One more strange synchronicity is involved here that might also be related to lessons about time (period measurements):
That night, I went to bed looking at the alarm clock and it was 3:00 sharp, so I put 6:00 for wake up (for the start of my phasing session). But I woke up earlier at 5:00 sharp, then got back to sleep again, so after the alarm clock woke me up again (at 6:00) I tried the phasing, but fell asleep first, then got out with vibrations at some point, then had this lucidventure and when I was 'back' and looked again at the alarm clock I saw that it was 8:00 ... sharp.

Time ... :whatthe:

Sinera
14th June 2011, 07:38 PM
14/Jun/2011
Stuck With "Ludmilla's" Training Sessions

So this is from tonight and I am up-to-date again. It's also another update on that recurring and somehow never-ending story. But maybe the story line found an end now, because I might decide to put an end to it myself.

This night I had multiple vibrationless exits (4 to 5) which normally is a reason to celebrate for me, well, normally. "Ludmilla" was present (by my initial request) and I was grabbed and hauled out all the time. When I was 'falling back' I exited again, her hands were always present, not always pleasant though.

Anyway, all was taking place mostly in darkness (no vision) for me. For the first time IIRC, I was projecting into my current flat (not the portal), too. At least it "felt" that way sometimes. I also was mostly completely lucid.

At one time I saw "her", but only a blurry picture and her figure in 'red', while she was holding me with one hand. I don't know which room it was then (portal or current home). Mostly however, when I had no vision, we were holding each other in both hands, "facing" each other.

I asked her again to talk to me. No reaction (first). I said I wanted her to speak to me or tell me where we go. No reaction. Just holding hands.

Only in the last projection (it was dark again but I 'felt' that we were in front of the window of my appartment). She almost whispered in my ear. I could not understand it, just got some fragments about "a mouth". It could have been the same voice like on April 5th (see the "it's a girl" and "personal trainer" accounts). Just a bit tuned down and now from the left instead of the right.

The voice is nice and gentle, but on the other hand it has sth 'creepy' for me to it. Maybe because I do not understand what she tells me and she also creeps me out because it is so normally "human" sounding without any dream telepathy talk. I really "hear" her. This is so waaay different from any other interaction and anything else!
Anyway, again (as on April 5th) after her first words I could not make out a meaning and snapped back into bed and was awake completely. I had enough and got up as it was early morning already.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I need a break now from these 'exercises'. I will fend off any attempts to "help" me out. Because it seems not helpful. It does not get me anywhere.
Yesterday I also saw T. Campbell talking about this on a YT video. It was about judging actions of so-called guides/helpers (which he calls the wider consciouness system) by their degree of helpfulness. That makes sense to me. I am the judge and should decide: Is it helpful at all, or not? I now start to think it isn't. It is rather disturbing and confusing.

I have, however, no fear issue and "she" is not a 'neg' for me. Also I must say that I called her in by my affirmations again the night before ("meet Ludmilla, lucid, in the portal"). All of it kind of happened. So actually, I haven't even a reason to complain.

However, it seems we don't make any progress. What could be the progress of tonight? Well, maybe I had some more exits and I was lucid and the 'exercise' is supposed to develop vision for me on "her" level where she pulls me out. But this is just my assumption, and as she does not "talk" to me, I will probably never find out!

I'll take a time-out from projections now. Had enough, fed up.

Does anyone have any advice what to 'do' with her when I resume this again (if I do at all)? You see, she is not into talking to me. I thought maybe if we hold hands again I could ask her to squeeze my left hand for a "yes" and the right for a "no", so that I could ask her y/n questions. But that is just a loose idea now.

I'm confused and a bit clueless now. :?

CFTraveler
14th June 2011, 07:47 PM
Wow, you have a conundrum here. I typically know I'm dealing with a self-aspect/dream character) when I 'hear' objectively words and they are not fully understood by me, and treat them as such- ask them what they represent.
They usually don't recur after I have done this and not gotten a satisfactory answer from them- so, other than asking them to leave you alone, I don't know.

Korpo
15th June 2011, 12:17 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

The confusion about time could also mean it has nothing to do with time after all. You're trying to squeeze the communication into your concept (write on a notepad) but this is not working (the notepad is shrinking till it's unusable). Time is not exactly meaningful "there." But there's the cycle of your personal evolution, where you move through larger cycles and smaller cycles. The message might be that you are on the first cycle of another larger cycle. These cycles are universal as all human beings traverse them, with different mileage and speed. That would be my interpretation.

Misunderstandings might have arisen due to the fact that you had some preconceived notions distorting the communication. It sounds like you clearly want it to be the future. In a sense contact to any higher-evolved entity *is* your future. They are, in a sense, showing you the potentials of your own future, they mirror back to you what could be.

About the latest post. Absence of communication is often interpreted as unwillingness on behalf of the other entity to communicate. It's just as likely you are not yet able to pick up that entity's communication because the respective energy body is not developed enough.

Also, you might experience it as holding hands. For an energetic being this might or might not be the case. Whatever you see or feel are the images you use for translating a purely energetic experience back to yourself. So, a mode of communication that might be logical to yourself might only be logical within the picture you chose for yourself when translating the experience to store in your brain for recall.

The holding of hands might have been a way to stabilise your consciousness in the state you were in. This is often portrayed as some minor intimacy or touch. This means your consciousnesses have come - well - "in touch." There's a link. The main point of the whole experience might have just been to give you exposure to this state, to keep you in this state, to accomodate your consciousness to remaining in this state, lucidly, for a longer time. Think of it as training.

Things are seldom as they appear, so if you go by appearances you miss a fair deal. In my experience they also do not so much progress as we want or expect them to do, but according to what is needed. And it might just be that for the current energy body you're working on the most basic things need to be settled first before you can progress.

These things cannot be rushed. Without the basic capabilities of an energy body, exploration in that energy body makes no sense as you are not capable of interacting with your surroundings in a meaningful way. Imagine you were capable of seeing and hearing but never have communicated with another human through speech. The moment someone spoke to you, your mind would not even comprehend. Similarly, in the beginning a certain energy body might be able to give you visuals, but you might not be able to communicate. Because communication is not done by hearing a sound or seeing lips move, but by being able to read energetic exchanges.

Whatever you see is just a representation. Thinking of it in physical terms is misleading - being able to see is a separate ability from exchanging information through for example energy packets. Kurt's guide for the chakras can be helpful here. Before the 4th chakra comes online you might not even meet meaningful entities at all. With the 4th chakra online you might be able to see them but not able to establish meaningful communication. With the 5th coming online you get more and more communication till finally you get so used to talking that you forget that months ago everybody "refused to talk to you."

Wanting easily repeatable experiences of the same quality over and over can be a case of splendid stagnation without knowing it. When you are exposed to a new energy body nothing is easy. You're relearning very easy things and have to go through a period of readjustment, learning and almost inevitably frustration. It might feel like a regression, but in reality this is true progress - going beyond the well-established towards the capabilities of the higher bodies.

You will find very little guidance for this step, as pretty much all the popular concepts of the new age ecosystem stop at the astral body. It's an undifferentiated glob there, were nobody knows what body they are in or why for example Robert Monroe's experiences seem of such a different quality than many other reports you can read. Part of the secret lies in the fact of the different bodies, the need to develop them, their different capabilities, their different levels of development in different people. If you're applying astral body concepts to the mental body, you might just feel stuck, not progressing, or whatever.

I would say that this is not the case. It's just a case of mistaken assumptions. There are assumptions that this should be easy, or "If I can do this, I can also do that." which is seldom true. Physical expectations don't hold. Being able to speak is not equal to being able to make oneself understood out of body. Being able to see does not mean one can necessarily communicate. You don't wake up in the same body every night or in all phases of the same night. Not all bodies are accessible at all times, and so various ways exist in which abilities can seem to be blocked, lost, disappear or instable - they were realised in higher bodies but due to issues the higher body is inaccessible; they were developed in lower bodies but not yet in the higher body one currently is in; they are not available in the body one has access to; and so on.

I'd say give it time. Thinking that what you see, feel and hear is all there is is a primary source of frustration, because what your senses tell you out of body is only what your current body at its present stage of development and energetic alignment allows you to see, hear and feel. This might only be a miniscule amount of what is going on. When you combine this with expectations of what you think you *should* be able to hear, see and feel or be able to do usually only leads to frustration in my opinion.

I would personally say you're doing well and progressing rather neatly. Nobody told you it would be like this, so how could you know? You try to bring a mechnical/technical approach to this, but in my experience you might find this will not work. It did not for me. At all. There are, in a sense, no premade recipes. There's just what the other side offers you as next step.

Worked brillantly for me so far, though I may have not gotten what the little ego wanted so far. I'd say I got several better things instead.

Cheers,
Oliver

poème
16th June 2011, 06:09 PM
I'm with Korpo on that one: give yourself some time before before putting aside everything you built and worked on. How about looking back (further back) at what you accomplished so far? Chances are you would see how far you fared and it would encourage you.

As for your «helper», I also think you should give her some time and gather more information before rejecting her help. Surely, she is around because she can be of help to you. How about asking her to tell you, clearly, through the dreamstate, who she is, and what is her role towards you? You have had a lot of success with dream programming so far so that could be worth a try... :)

Sinera
16th June 2011, 11:27 PM
thanks to all 3 of you for your helpful replies.

CFT, yes, it is a kind of conundrum. Well, the first time I actually understood a few words, even an entire statement (when she told me "you will know soon" regarding her name), but maybe I fade out too soon to get more of it (not willingly, but my subconscious made me 'snap back', possibly due to the shock of the sheer realism of her "voice"). I should give it a harder try. I don't know if it is an aspect of my (higher) self. I had thought about this possibility, too, but I came to the conclusion that it's not. But who really knows? Maybe it is as you say and I am helping out ... and stressing ... myself all the time. ;)

Korpo, thanks for reminding me of the different bodies and capabilities. I read Kurt's book a little while ago, but it seems I have forgotten too much about it. Maybe I should re-read some things (if only I find the time now, which is hard at the moment). By the way, you yourself could/should have written your own book about these and similar topics, it is always a great read :thumbsup:.

poème, good idea, thanks. I actually already had a similar idea and asked my presumed 'main guide' (I call him Tom for the time being) to tell me sth about it (her) in my dreams. But so far no answer came or at least I don't remember it. But you're right, I can also ask 'her' directly to appear to me in dreams and give me a hint. :idea:

So far, I've had two very restful nights now, taking my necessary time-out, only asking for healing and peaceful sleep (and dream message from my guide, see above). This is what I wanted and I got it (except for the message).

It also shows to me again that I get in no way 'harassed' at all. I can shut it all off any time if I want and need to. And it was me who 'called her' (who or whatever she is) in the first place. So this shows that it should be for my benefit. I might give it a try again now (but I definitely need the breaks!)
The problem is that it is just highly stressful for me, during and after the experience with "her", it really leaves me mentally exhausted, as you might have guessed by my post, which I wrote on that day still under the impression of the night before.

But maybe it's no pain - no gain? :wink:

Sinera
19th June 2011, 12:27 PM
18/Jun/2011
How Is Johnny Smith Doing?

After a while lying on my back in my phasing session (after 3 hours of sleep), I get into 'the state' and produce the 'inner smile' (the happy thrill of anticipation, or is it even that this inner smile produces the state? At least it helps a lot!). As to be expected, Ludmilla's hands help me out. No vibrations again.

I am in the neigbouring room of my portal, which used to be the bedroom of my parents when I was a small child. I was there on a mattress. It is dark and I get lifted. I see immediately but again I just 'feel' the hands that hold me. As usual, also no talk between us and I don't even try to speak to her.

We dive down through the 'astral' floor and it gets even darker. I say I would rather prefer to go up than down. Then I am suddenly in the same room again. But this time there is sunlight.
I remember "Ludmilla" somehow 'dropping' me. For a second I tried to 'see' her as I paid attention, looking up. But I saw nothing but the room I was dropped into again. Well, almost nothing. Actually, I saw 'some ... thing': A kind of blurry distortion of the air/visuals of that room.
Do you remember the Predator Movies? What I saw, was a shape (but mostly the hands!) like this combat invisible mode that these creatures used when hunting. You can still guess a shape when it moves by distortions of the visual surroundings. Well, thank goodness I am still pretty certain that the entity I call Ludmilla is NOT one of this species. ;)

Anyway, then I go out through a little window of that room (that also exists in physical life) leading down a short part of the slanted and tiled roof. After a short hesitation, I am lucid enough to know this is not the physical and start to lift off into the air.

I fly into the city. I have the idea to ask about a childhood friend I haven't seen for many many years. Let's call him John Smith here. This name already indicates by analogy that in reality his first and last name are also both very common. So you cannot in physical life easily look him up on a phone directory or 'google' info about him if you don't have any additional current information (place of residence, job, etc). Maybe this explains my interest to try with this (unusual) method.

I get into a gas station and ask the guy there in the shop. Btw, the service station is none which I remember from physical life of my hometown. The guy tells me he knows Johnny, but does not know about his whereabouts. He also then asks one of the truck drivers outside.
In the meantime I investigate, try to focus visually (on my hands and on another of the service staff) in order to stabilise myself.
I don't know what this kind of obsession is, but my investigatory impulse always makes me grab a paper and look at it. Also this time. So I get to the newsstand but grab a cartoon / comic strip book this time (I think it was a good ol' Mickey Mouse). I look at the cover, I realise the numbers but don't remember them now (it's hopeless, give it up, Volgerle :roll:!) except for the number 2010.
I then talk to another of the staff there and somehow do a thumbs up gesture (just for fun, maybe). Then I fade out pretty quickly with PREES and do my MEMO techniques.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Not a very spectacular and enlightening lucadventure, but maybe my expectations are too high. At least I had some exercise again. Every exit is a kind of exercise (with Ludmilla anyway!), so maybe that is the best way to look at it. Still, it's a shame that I forgot about my main target, 'the fields'. But hey, next time.

It is important again to note this kind of "state of looking forward" which is vital to my exit successes. It is a kind of 'inner smile', a sweet state of knowing, this certitude that something good and exciting is going to happen again now (and it seems that it almost replaced the vibrations now).
It makes me conclude that we should never underestimate the role that emotions play in this whole thing - not just regarding what we experience, but also if we experience anything (IOW: have success) at all.

Sinera
21st June 2011, 05:23 PM
21/Jun/2011
Multiple Exits & Energy Work In "The State"

Wow, what a night. Not necessarily regarding quality, but rather quantity of the experience. The lucidventures themselves weren't that great and so not worth a greater mention (except maybe one, see below).

I did my usual success-strategy and after a while I was "in the state" again. I could exit at will. I often "fell back" after a while. Some exits were more lucid than others, some even seemed to sink down into normal dream imagery with loss of 'some' degree of lucidity. But I got back to my body to 're-boot' ;) every time. I think I must have been out 5 times or so. Ludmilla was not present this time, but maybe I am granted my own 'solitary' sessions in-between (makes sense, doesn't it?). For exit (without helping hands) I just get up - some would call it a roll-out, but for me it is just 'getting up' - pretty profane, huh? Only then I started to fly (most of the times out of the window of my current flat).

What's interesting is that I was able while lying in bed again to do energy work in all parts of my body and even steer and control the sensations and even vibrations, and direct them to parts of the body, also running energy up and down! (I assume I 'felt' my physical body in bed, but it might have been my 'astral' body I experienced simultaneously - it is this borderland area). Wow, I repeat: I controlled the vibrations in my body! This is an enormous progress for me.

In one of the exits/lucidventures I wanted to visit a friend (not the one from above, but a current one I have contact to). I tried to teleport there. The visuals then did not fit at all as I was hovering up and down from a balcony into a backyard of an appartment building (I saw lots of laundry hung up on lines). I did not know this or how it was related to my friend's location. But I heard my friends voice. It was almost as if I was calling him via phone. There were even some distortions. Some kitchen or restaurant and some speaking child (he has a son!) sounds came from the background. He told me he was in a location which name he then told me, too. Then the connection broke off again.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I first I could not make sense of this name. Then after some research and trying to remember, I found out it is at least similar to the name of a Greek restaurant in the neighbourhood nearby in a city where he lived (and still goes sometimes as it is the next bigger city). There is also a location with the same name in the city he works. Maybe he was there for lunch/breakfast/dinner recently? (With his son?). Or somewhere else and the name is just metaporical for any location where you can eat? Or maybe he was in his own kitchen preparing a Greek dish? It was early morning when I experienced this, but hey, time is different anyway, so it does not have to be a simultaneous occurrence.

I emailed him now asking him about the location and am really curious about the answer I will get.

Sinera
28th June 2011, 11:14 AM
28/Jun/2011
Lesson On Soul Mates

I get out (drawn by hands) and fly (or am drawn flying) through a forest. In between I look at one of my hands and have a hard time counting the fingers. I also say to myself (for lucidity stabilisation purposes) "my name is XXXX XXXX [my full name] and I am in the Astral now".

It is a dark forest and I complain that I want daylight because many of my projections are too dark. As if s.o. obeys I get onto a clearing in plain daylight.

Something here is conveyed, shown, explained to me. I see in this forest or on these fields some hedged separate sectors always with a different couple in it that is somehow (inter)acting. The areas belong to them and they also don't want to be disturbed and interfered with.

They act out some plays in different (ever switching) roles and constellations.

The lucidventure does not last very long and I get back again.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The day before, I had thought about a woman who I have not seen for many many years. I suspect she might have been sth like a soul mate and I still feel sorry that it did not somehow work for us.

Well, maybe this was shown to me now: Soul mates live out certain roles in (karmic) constellations and relationships, which also change from life to life (incarnation to incarnation). One might have to accept some acts/plays/lifes where it does or wasn't even supposed to work to come together.

It is nothing new to me, maybe just a necessary reminder. But maybe I am wrong.

Korpo
1st July 2011, 01:28 PM
It is nothing new to me, maybe just a necessary reminder. But maybe I am wrong.

Nope, sounds good to me. :D

Sinera
5th July 2011, 08:45 PM
05/Jul/2011
I Guess My Higher Self Can Be Pretty Sexy

One of my craziest paranormal days so far. Can it get crazier? I don't know. I had two experiences today. One with a 'kind of' projection (but not quite), another paranormal one in physical life that is connected to a projection I did a few days ago, on which I will report later. (And if this one is crazy now, that one will be even crazier!)

But first the (near-)projection of this night. Actually it was not a full projection, just another experience in "the state".

Moreover, this night I also had a series of possibly meaningful dreams again and I still have to peruse them in a quiet moment. Before that, I had asked my guides "Tom" and "Ludmilla" (as I call them) that one of them please appear to me in a dream and explain sth I asked them.
The reason was that I was uncertain again how to go on. I had some rather weird projections also with helping hands lately (not reported here) again, but it was so confusing and sometimes also too dream-like that I cannot even describe it in language. All in all it was very confusing and not really perceived by me as positive (but not too negative either).
So I felt stuck again and was not sure if I should go on with the "helping hands" strategy or if I should rather rely on my Higher Self to help me instead of a helper or guide. I also asked a bit for reassurance or encouragement (hey, why not, sometimes I CAN be a real mollycoddle if I want to :wacky1:).

Anyway, I got shortly in a lucid state lying there in bed, but without "normal" vision. Actually, and by applying my mindsight ability again, I felt it was the bed of my astral "portal" again where I had been in dreams before that same night, too.
I then had the idea (inspired by Monroe's great talk about reliance on the Total Self on youtube) to call out again for my Higher Self. (I did that before with an interesting result but I left it out here, maybe I also should catch up on it here, too.) Also, I should maybe add in advance here that at the moment I am single and am living (and sleeping) alone in a single flat.

So this is what happened: I affirmed 'Higher Self Now!'. All remained dark but something changed. Still, all I perceived was more by 'mindsight' than 'normal astral vision'. Suddenly, I felt a hand (or perhaps two) caressing me. There was a naked woman lying beside me :oops::tongue:. I also felt her (naked) breasts brushing slightly against my arm or shoulder or so. Wow.

And to make it clear: This was not a dreamed-up or typical astral telepathic interchange. It 'felt' physical to me. It was as physical as the voice of Ludmilla (I wrote about it in detail) that always creeps me out.
Maybe, if it really was my HS, it was the same woman with the voice I heard myself speak in one of my earliest lucidventures - which, btw, had also been absolutely 'physical' and audible 'in the room', and did not feel dream telepathic in any way.

Well, so what did I do? Grasp the opportunity for 'Astral Sex'? Well, honestly, this is not one of my set goals - and surely even less only with my(higher)self.
And since I am a chaste guy so far in the Astral :angelic: (hey, no pitiful looks, folks, I said "in the Astral") I transmitted sth telepathically to "her", a kind of ROTE, that could be verbalised as sth like 'ok, well, that's very nice, but it's not what I asked for, thanks anyway'.

Comments / Afterthoughts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajzpd-ONOdo

Sinera
5th July 2011, 10:20 PM
05/Jul/2011
Johnny Smith Reprise (I Now Know How He's Doing!)

So here is part two of today's amazing ride through paranormal supernatural wonderland (in and outta body) :lol:. Maybe even some people around here will not believe me, but I SWEAR this is the truth and nothing but the truth as it happened, and exactly in this way.

As you see below, it is only 2 and a half weeks ago when I had that Johnny-Smith-lucidventure. In the Comments section I wrote "Not a very spectacular and enlightening lucadventure, ...". In retrospect, I must admit that sometimes being wrong can be so wonderful. :D

So today at around lunch time I sat at my desk at work and got a phone call. It was an outside number as the display showed me. S.o. said "Hello, do I speak to Mr. XXX [my name]?" I didn't even have to answer with 'yes', I just said his name. This guy has always had a very recognisable voice and manner of speaking.

"John!"

Unbelievable. I couldn't fathom it. My jaw dropped to the floor. However, later it dropped even lower, because at that moment I did not yet remember the projection I had 2.5 weeks ago! It dawned on me 10 minutes after our talk. I was in the men's room then (btw, a good place to ponder over things :wink:) when this occurred to me. Thank goodness, no one saw my face then!

He told me he just had the idea a few days ago (A FEW DAYS AGO !!!) to look me up on the internet (which is possible since I don't have a John-Doe-name like him). He found the website of my employer and called the switchboard there to get my extension number. I was not there on that day (last week) so he tried again today.

Despite this heavy surprise, I kept relatively calm (I have to as I work in a cubicle in a spacious office and did not want to attract too much attention with my reactions to this unusual call). After a short chat, we exchanged our cell phone numbers and e-mail addresses. We might meet soon as he does not live far away.

And yes, just as me, he no longer lives in my home town, that is maybe why I did not recognise the gasoline station and surroundings! Then, next to chatting a lot about the good old days, I will also ask him if he knows s.o. who works in that city in a garage or filling station.

After some reckoning I concluded now that I might have seen him the last time in 1994. That's 17 years.

So ... what do I make of it? Did I 'create' this now as I set the intention of finding him (and asking s.o.!) in the Astral?

Or is it all just an accident (though a very great one, as any skeptic would have to admit) that he only just and exactly right now (in 17 long years) pops up out of nowhere finding me by his own initiative, and just 2 weeks after my projection with me looking and asking for him. And he tried to find me last week already, so it's even closer to that date!

Just an accident, huh? C'mon .... HOW PROBABLE IS THAT? This is f****** crazy!

Hey, Mr R@ndi, what's your explanation?

My view of this physical reality is starting to shift again a bit further. It's a heavy shift this time.

Very very heavy.:whatthe:

poème
6th July 2011, 01:02 AM
Nothing deep to say but... Wow! This is indeed NO coincidence...Do trust it ;)
We really do communicate at a spiritual level, in ways we may not yet fully comprehend perhaps, but we really do... How beautiful that is!

Beekeeper
6th July 2011, 10:10 AM
That's wonderful, Volgerie!!

Neil Templar
6th July 2011, 04:13 PM
That's great V.
Kinda makes you wonder what else you could manifest into your life, eh?!...;)

istia
6th July 2011, 08:59 PM
wow how great, yeahs what an amazing experience and shifting of permeating realities, so cool!

also enjoyed to read your exciting meeting with your higher self.

keep on this ingenuous path :)

Sinera
7th July 2011, 08:43 PM
That's great V.
Kinda makes you wonder what else you could manifest into your life, eh?!...;)
Thanks (actually to all of you for your encouraging words). Still have to digest it somehow :wacky1:. Actually, it is a kind of (unexpected) validation for me, although a very different one than the usual ones (like e.g. looking up cards).

And yes, maybe I should try to 'manifest' my lottery ticket in the astral now? :wink:

Sinera
11th July 2011, 07:42 PM
11/Jul/2011
Gálaca

In the state, I smile again (as always) in anticipation, then soft vibrations come this time and so I wait for the hands to lift me into the portal where I am already lying in bed. They come, but there is a surprise, which makes me even go to think/say sth like "Hey, how stupid is this now?".

The reason was: the hands holding mine move towards me, so they push my arms towards my body instead of drawing me out. "You have to pull, not push, what's up?", I say.

I (blind so far) ask for vision. After a while I see a beautiful smiling face ahead of me. A blonde woman. She joins me on my bed, again to my left (see Higher Self command experience above). I don't know or remember if she was naked or what she wore if she wore sth, but it was another kind of semi-erotic encounter again, anyway.

I ask her for her name. She says: "I'm Gálaca".

Note for English speakers on pronunciation: here everyone of the three 'a'-letters is pronounced like the 'a' in hut - not like in 'hat'. (Technically, this also rules out the English surname 'Gallagher' for me. Moreover, since it was a hard k-sound, not g.) I also put an accent on the first 'a' because the word stress is on the first syllable, just like in the word 'galaxy'.

She then says that it is not always her that gives me a hand when I project. I say (obviously quite charmed by her beauty and appearance) sth like "oh no, I think it is you all the time".:tongue:

Maybe it was indeed her name's resemblance to the word 'galaxy' that made me ask the next question: "Are you from another planet? A physical world maybe?" She smiles (actually all the time!) and says "Yes, oh, yes, also on physical ones".

Then things get weirder and dreamlike, maybe because the galaxy theme made me somehow 'drift off' (into the galaxy?:lol: ). Soon I got back and woke up with PREES.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I must have been really enchanted, because when I said "oh no, I think it is you all the time" I'm certain now I was definitely wrong. And she (Gálaca) was right. It wasn't her before. Moreover, Ludmilla has a way different style. She pulls with all might and has a firm grip on my ankles. She also appears to me way different (I know this despite that fact that I only saw her shades or in 'invisible mode' so far).

Regarding the name, which I never heard before, I just did an internet research on 'Galaka, Galaca, Gallaca, ..." or whatever, to find out if it has any meaning for me. Nothing really conclusive resulted from it:

A few girls have this as a nickname on social webs like facebook, twitter. None looks like 'my' Gálaca.

I found out with some difficulty that it means 'pigeon tail' in the Turkish language. An uncle of mine who died a few months ago was a pigeon breeder. I also had seen him in a few dreams since then, where he told me he wanted sth of me or wanted to contact me, but we never got into details. If this was indeed a message from him, well, then it is a very 'fiddly' and intricate one, that's why I would almost rule it out now (but who knows?).

There is also an old computer arcade game with that name. If you like games, have fun: http://jayisgames.com/galaca.html .

In Hindu, 'Galaka' (with k) also means 'hangnail' in English, well, not really inspiring. :| Even less when google search led me to this urbandictionary entry: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Galaka

However, more interesting is an ancient secret text in Buddhism, also termed "holy books of the East", where the author mentions "the lost books of Galaka" as reference, but so far I have not yet had the time to look at it in detail:
http://www.archive.org/stream/questionsofkingm01davi/questionsofkingm01davi_djvu.txt
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milinda_Panha
http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/milinda.htm

So, if any of you has any idea what else Gálaca or similar (Ga - La - Ka ?) could mean in any esoteric/mystic context or old language, I'd be pleased to hear from you.

Another crazy idea about this, which, I admit, might be totally way out. Anyway, here we go:

Recently I saw Bob Monroe's inspiring talk from 1990. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCFWoBS1sKk). There he explained that once for the first time instead of rolling "out" and moving around in the RTZ, he rolled kind of "inwards" and so found out about his Higher Self (he calls it Total Self), met his other selves and looked up the database of all his incarnational life experiences, thoughts, emotions, etc. He also talks about the 'assemblance' of a character from other character aspects/incarnations for a new incarnation. This is highly fascinating.

Now comes my experience into play: What if the moving of the hands "towards me" was a "way inside" instead of the usual "way out" by being pulled out? This would even be supported by the fact that last time when I 'called out' for the HS, a woman appeared by my (left) side. The same happened this time, but even more: I even saw her (instead of 'mindsensing'), talked to her and got her name (and address :mrgreen:).

So was I (again?) talking to my (Higher/Total) Self? Was I even taught a new 'technique' now? If it was the HS, maybe I then even met an incarnational character / aspect? Another implication of which would be that I once lived on another planet? (!!?). Gosh, as if I always knew it: I'm an alien !!! :shock:

Well, okay, I'm getting carried away now. Maybe it was just an astral traveler passing by and showing some incompetence when giving me a hand, or just a sensual thought form i played around with ... and look what I make of it again. Stupid me.
:banghead:

Korpo
11th July 2011, 09:12 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Maybe you're slightly overanalysing it. ;) :)

She might have simply shown you that you don't need to go anywhere when you're already out of body. Just because you perceive yourself as lying in your bed does not really indicate that this is your physical bed in the RTZ. It might not be necessary to go anywhere at all, and especially not to roll out.

A good example thereof might be defectron's recent experiences IIRC. He perceived himself to be in his bedroom even though he was travelling, surefire confirmation that this was not a RTZ experience because he simply was not in his bed physically! So, the environment may seem whatever like it may, the reality of it might be a different one, and Galaca might have wanted to put her finger on it.

She might have also had a good reason for that. When you essentially move beyond the RTZ, it's kind of missing the point of wanting to go there. As an astral traveller in your astral body you might actually succeed in doing so, but to what avail? It might have been her impression that it would be more helpful to "keep you there" in the astral instead of letting you get moving and essentially drop lower. So, what you experience as "pushing you back" might have been your translation of "containing and stabilising you within this state of consciousness" (as opposed to allowing you to change it).

Cheers,
Oliver

Guitarmaster72
12th July 2011, 04:24 AM
I know of a really old arcade game from before gaming systems like Nintendo were created, it was called Galaga. I know you mentioned a game called "Galaca" but this could be just an altered cheap knock-off version of the famous arcade game. It's like a space game where you have a ship you can only move side to side and shoot 2 missiles at a time to take out an army of alien ships of 3 different kinds. It's an arcade that is usually paired up with another game as a double arcade called "Ms. Pacman". If you've ever heard of the game called "Space Invaders" it's quite similar, only there's no sheilds. Hope this was helpful... I dunno, u asked if anyone knew what this name might mean, and I thought I'd provide some info ;)

Sinera
12th July 2011, 08:34 PM
@Guitarmaster72, okay, thanks, yes, I remember 'Space Invaders' from a kind of documentary about the era of the 80ies including the vid games, S.I. is a real classic!

@Korpo: hm, well, my lying in 'bed' is actually a strange thing: Often, I can perceive myself in bed simultaneously in the Astral and RTZ for a short time, I know it sounds strange, but I really 'feel' myself also physically sometimes then (before exit!). I wrote about it, e.g. when I did that energy / vibrations control thing, maybe it's indeed a multiple bodies or mind-split thing. It gets even stranger when I stay there lying in 'the state' without doing an exit, then I seem at 2 places at once for quite a long time because I am in the 'portal bed' and my normal physical bed simultaneously, in a way.
Also, I am usually not in the RTZ at all anymore after my exits or after being pulled out, but either in my "portal", which is the room of my childhood or elsewhere in the Astral (third possibilty: I use the portal room's window and fly out into the Astral 'town'). I would consider my 'portal' already to be the astral, too, since in this time frame this room does not exist (like that) anymore in the RTZ.

CFTraveler
12th July 2011, 09:21 PM
I agree, you're probably exiting straight into the astral. The bi/tri/location is also an indication that you've evolved in the exit department. :clap:

Tutor
13th July 2011, 01:02 AM
GALACHA is a Swahili word that means an expert, champion or creative person. or, it could be 'gal' aka (also known as) Volgerle.

psionickx
13th July 2011, 11:14 AM
GALACHA is a Swahili word that means an expert, champion or creative person. or, it could be 'gal' aka (also known as) Volgerle.

ahaan :angelic:

Tutor
13th July 2011, 03:51 PM
aurora

to quote a present teacher/counselor - "it is not by seeing the light that one might know, it is through feeling/enduring the pain/labor (heat) that one wakes up to understanding" - MG

the light at the end of the tunnel is the oncoming train of consequentiality...perhaps.

peace friend

note: " 'gal' aka " refers to the feminine aspect assuming a faceted role/partnership

Neil Templar
14th July 2011, 11:18 AM
@Guitarmaster72, okay, thanks, yes, I remember 'Space Invaders' from a kind of documentary about the era of the 80ies


Haha!! now i feel old! :lol:

Korpo
14th July 2011, 12:22 PM
Me, too. "Galaga" was one of my first games to play for the C64...

CFTraveler
14th July 2011, 03:08 PM
Me three. 1-Pong, 2-Space Invaders, 3-Galaga.
Cheers.

poème
14th July 2011, 03:56 PM
note: " 'gal' aka " refers to the feminine aspect assuming a faceted role/partnership
Hello Volgerle, I think this is what Tutor may be refering to (Aurora):
Albedo, symbolized by Aurora, by the dawn, the morning star (Venus-Aphrodite), and by the sun rising up from the Philosopher's Sea. Albedo is also represented by Aurora, the Roman goddess of the dawn. Her brother is Helios, the Sun.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%202.htm
I've been wondering too if perhaps you were going through the same process as I seem to be going through...
Can't be sure of that myself, but... Take a look, and maybe you'll find it rings true to you... Or maybe you won't, and that's fine ;)

Sinera
14th July 2011, 07:55 PM
thanks to all, I am going to check on the website and the words, although I still do not see the connection from galaca/galaga to aurora. it's because she appeared maybe at dawn? well it was in the morning, yes, but also night/early moring (and ahaan = morning glory :whatthe: ... well, yes I was a bit excited indeed , too ;):angelic:), see the light, I see ... well, gonna think about it

anyway, thanks I am going to check on it all ... and get me a few good old arcade 80ies games online, seems I missed something out then ..., well, at least I wore a moustache once in while back then in those days ...

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRa_-QjpLWqYif0lVIuHg5F4fklZz4wIGfqMiSxsgGEosj3XX7jmw

Tutor
22nd July 2011, 02:56 PM
Hello Volgerle, I think this is what Tutor may be refering to (Aurora):
Albedo, symbolized by Aurora, by the dawn, the morning star (Venus-Aphrodite), and by the sun rising up from the Philosopher's Sea. Albedo is also represented by Aurora, the Roman goddess of the dawn. Her brother is Helios, the Sun.
http://www.soul-guidance.com/houseofthesun/alchemy%202.htm
I've been wondering too if perhaps you were going through the same process as I seem to be going through...
Can't be sure of that myself, but... Take a look, and maybe you'll find it rings true to you... Or maybe you won't, and that's fine ;)

exacta-moon-do!

it is as Robert Bruce says - everyone is projecting...is out of their bodys experiencing, part of naturally being human. dancing in the moonlight.

if we are already dancing then the need is not to learn the dance, and merely to let go and be free in the dance. i was a very shy youth, always standing off to the side watching others dance, feeling sad because i wouldnt consciously allow myself to be free. as i've gotten older ive realized that from these human vulnerabilities of mine i was then and am now much of a control freak (uptight), so much so, that the thought of myself losing control is most often to have let go and freed myself to what is naturally me.

King Harvest - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AMdcgpUTVY

so she comes, just like she would come to taunt and pull the shy youth onto the gym floor, to dance. how many times have ya seen the gals freely dancing with oneanother while the guys off to side are busy being 'cool', refusing to partner up? that's what i did as a youth, i gathered with other shy guys, and we presumed to be - being cool. all the while we yearned to be dancing and connecting with playful, taunting and attractive freedom already out on the floor dancing.

it takes two to tango - awareness @ free. earth and sky/ moon and sun/ solar system and universe

edit: Volgerle, i hope this is appropriate for your topical direction. if not, i understand.

Sinera
25th July 2011, 11:47 AM
25/Jul/2011
"What's On The Tele, My Dear?"

As I had a dry spell lately, I now reinforced my endeavours by another step-up using another place to lie down than my bed, as many projectors also recommend to do. So I get up after 2-3 hours of sleep from my normal bed and lay down on a couch (arranged as a bed) in my living room. Again: I am lying strictly on my back so as not to fall into deep sleep (I am notoriously a side-sleeper).

After a while, I get into the state, no vibrations, and feel a very hard pressure/energy on/around my hands. The way I now 'learned' to be lying down is that my arms are now usually stretched out beside my body with my hands directed to my hips (giving myself sometimes healing energy as I also have a hip prob).

As the pressure is familiar (although as strong as never before), I think/telepath sth like : "Oh, it's you again, ok, let's get to work." I don't remember any 'being lifted' this time. Maybe I just 'phased' into my living room. I do not see anything again, it is dark. However I mind-sense that it is my living room (not the usual 'portal' this time), I am lucid enough to know 'where' I am.

This time I feel again I'm holding hands with s.o. again (as usual!) on both sides, with my left and right hand. But my arms are stretched out wide to the left and right side this time, not before me. As I lately learnt from Gálaca that it is highly likely that there are indeed different helpers who help me out, I get to the most logical conclusion drawn by this 'body' posture:

"Oh, so there's two of you this time?"

The confirmation will indeed come (indirectly) later. First I try what I wanted to try anyway in this same repeated situation: communicating by y/n-questions via hand squeezing: left hand means 'yes', right hand means 'no'. (It is not mentioned here but I already did that before during one exit with a success).

I do not remember exactly anymore what I asked. Probably, it was the question if I should try to 'see' now. However, this time no squeezing results. I would expect (or hope for) the left hand to be squeezed (a 'yes').
I then direct my 'hearing sense' - more to the left side - as if to wait for a voice. I also remember I tried to turn my head (but nothing was to be seen).

Nothing happens at first. Tension rises. Then:

".. Yeeees."

A female voice. It sounds eerie, a bit forced out. I am not sure if this was the female voice I heard before, but I think it is another one. It didn't sound as loud as the other voice, either. So it's perhaps indeed a different person. She says 2 or 3 words more which I forget later.

Then I direct my thoughts again to the middle. I seem to have forgotten what to do, or maybe I tried to get clarity in my view then (don't remember).

Then I hear a voice on the right side. It is a male voice (unrecognized for me). Also not very loud but clear and distinctive. I do not know if it was said to me or to the female helper on the opposite side:

"We must turn on the television."

In my 'mind's eye' I then see suddenly the television of my living room (which would be behind me regarding the posture I was in) turn on and showing a news speaker reading sth from a paper (rather 80ies style news, no teleprompters...).

This seems to have confused me. I start to fade, PREES sets in. I am back in bed but keep my eyes closed. I seem awake, try to get into the state (and back 'up') again, but it all fails and after a while I get up, disappointed again.


Comments / Afterthoughts

"We must turn on the television" ... hmmm:confused:. Well, maybe I could leave out the 'tele' and then it makes perfect sense, since I wanted to "gain vision"? Moreover, translating the word compound literally yields an interesting aspect: 'tele', the Greek suffix, means "distant, far, remote"; 'vision', of course, means "sight, view, seeing". This translation also applies perfectly into my native language, which of course was used then. ('Fernseher' --> 'fern' = distant ("tele"); '-seher'= (here: sight/watching ("vision"))

I would not conclude that the male voice referred (literally) to "remote viewing", but the 'distant'-aspect possibly means sth similar regarding my situation? Maybe "he" really said that I should try to "see" now on a more "distant" level. Maybe this "distant" aspect refers to the "higher" plane/level/vibration I need to rise to in order to finally see (them?) and get ahead. So it's about sense development again/still. (Seeing them is not impossible and within my reach, as I have been close to this before! See some of the other lucidventures).

In need to try to get vision in the holding-hands-situation next time!

Instead, I again resorted to my 'hearing sense', which is always interesting, but wrong. It is also shown by the reluctancy / delay of the answers I get from the helper(s). Maybe this channel of communication (via 'voice) isn't so easy for the helpers either? There may be a lot of distortions in translation of meaning, too. This is also clear for my by some earlier events where I heard the (Ludmilla's) voice but could not always understand (everything) what she said.

Thus the next step is clearly laid out for me now. A 'higher vision' sense activated might probably also mean a "higher plane/vibration"? I cannot be sure, but I will try out next time. Hope I remember then (enough lucidity granted) what my plan of action is. But maybe one of them will then again try to remind me of what to do.;)
(However, at first I had the impression that the male helper was saying this to the female one. That would mean that they would have to do it. But they cannot do it without my help anyway, so it does not make a great difference to me).

Korpo
25th July 2011, 08:05 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

The newscaster is probably a hint - a "news speaker" - "new speaker." The television would then a symbol for something to stimulate your translation sense. This is still the passive mode where you primarily take it in, just as TV is a passive medium. It's the precursor of an exchange - one-way.

Similarly, being an 80s newscaster could reference to an earlier, more primitive version of the same, not fundamentally different, but maybe less challenging. He also reads from paper. This might be a clue to decoding energy information packets which are often presented as books, papers, leaflets, a page you are shown. So, this looks like somebody is demonstrating how it is done - the required process of decoding - but it is still "news" to you. You need to take it in and give it time.

Being held at both sides is probably one of the more powerful ways to get one's consciousness stabilised. Two conscious entities carefully balancing your consciousness on this level of being. So, the challenge is still to hold you there and enable you to stay there to expose you (again the TV, more like passive exposure) to this level of being, to this state of consciousness. If this would have been a driving dream, you would have probably taken the backseat.

In this way I wouldn't overinterpret anything you hear or see at this stage. As you have seen I have come up with a different interpretation from yours, and while they do not exclude each other, it shows how ambiguous the information you are receiving still is. It's easy to try to "extrapolate" too much when one has too little data.

You can compare some of defectron's adventures, especially when the "apeman" character was around. When the communication sense develops initially the meaning of words can be so broad that they only roughly mark the area of interest, not a concrete word. Imagine somebody wanting to tell you about a scoop of icecream and all you receive is "sphere." This will expand over time in that terms will become clearer and also more information will come through. It's almost like triangulation, where in the later iterations you come close and closer to where you want to be, narrowing it down till you've finally "got it."

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
26th July 2011, 08:52 PM
The newscaster is probably a hint - a "news speaker" - "new speaker." The television would then a symbol for something to stimulate your translation sense. This is still the passive mode where you primarily take it in, just as TV is a passive medium. It's the precursor of an exchange - one-way.
Ah, I see, you mean the information packages to be decoded (from each higher level/body to the next below it), it's what we talked about some months ago in another thread ("the software download in the background" ;)). Yeah, I also had the idea that the news speaker might have sth to do with a kind of information-aspect.


Being held at both sides is probably one of the more powerful ways to get one's consciousness stabilised. Two conscious entities carefully balancing your consciousness on this level of being. So, the challenge is still to hold you there and enable you to stay there to expose you (again the TV, more like passive exposure) to this level of being, to this state of consciousness.
Yes, that is my impression too. Like taking a little child into deeper water (away from the baby pool) and holding it there (up so as not to go under water) to get 'a taste and a feel' for it. Later, it will swim next to its parents with floaties, then without floaties, and finally it might swim without floaties and parents one day. ;)


In this way I wouldn't overinterpret anything you hear or see at this stage. As you have seen I have come up with a different interpretation from yours, and while they do not exclude each other, it shows how ambiguous the information you are receiving still is. It's easy to try to "extrapolate" too much when one has too little data.
Yes, it's absolutely valid, thanks for this perspective, makes sense to me.

Cheers, Volgerle

Korpo
27th July 2011, 03:09 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

With one difference. When you swim without floaties, you still are aware you are swimming. But it might just happen that one day translation becomes near-instantaneous and will happen so much on the fly that are much more resembles the kind of exchange Monroe, Moen or Leland report. In fact, Moen describes that he learned to switch between the perceiving and the narrating/interpreting aspect so fast, that he lost awareness thereof and only experienced everything fluidly from then on. It became second nature.

Cheers,
Oliver

Sinera
8th August 2011, 02:14 PM
08/Aug/2011
The Blue-Skinned Monk

This morning I felt like I could get back to bed and have immediate exit. It just felt like the right bodily/mind condition. And I was right. I did affirmations for vibrations (which works for me quite well sometimes) and had several vibrations/exits with several (different?) people tugging at me while I was still blind (as usual), trying to help me out, scratching the soles of my foot, touching me on different spots, grabbing hands, etc. At one point I had enough and got out on my own. On other occasions I arrived at the portal (childhood bedroom). In one exit, I saw children standing there, but I don't know what they wanted.

One longer exit was the most memorable and I describe it here: my encounter with the blue-skinned Christian monk.

As usual, I am blind while helpers lift me out, it wasn't different this time. It is my self-proclaimed temporary practice goal to reach vision in this state (calling it now 'the vision practice'), and so I tried to do this with affirmations and concentration. First I saw again the hands holding me with only a kind of almost invisible and blurry outlines (which I described illustratively as the 'Predator combat mode' on my Johnny-Smith-experience post), then the visuals fully came on and I knew where I was, whom I was with and saw everything.

I must already have flewn outside the window of the portal because we were heading towards the end of the street. There is a turn right into the forest and we stop there. It was in plain daylight.

Already on the way there, I examined visually my new companion/guide. First let me mention that before (still in blind state in 'the astral bed') I remember being grabbed by the left hand first, only when I expected the right hand to be grabbed, too (like last time, see above!) it happened. This fact, as unremarkable or trivial as it might seem at first, makes perfect sense now to me if I compare it to the later visual input I got.

On my LEFT side, while we were flying to the end of the street, there was a little monk or priest. He was older (in his 50ies and 60ies) wore a robe (it might have been brown, but not sure). The colour of his skin was a (very) light blue. Around his neck, he wore a necklace with a little shimmering cross on it, silvery, still quite simple, two rectangular beams. Using google search, I found that it mostly resembles these two (however, it was all not golden but silvery):

http://thrifty-int.com/shops/images/8-350.jpghttp://www.catholicstore.com/images/products/6969lg.jpg

Now another interesting thing: I then looked on the RIGHT side to see who was holding my hand there. I saw the same guy! But not quite. It was a more translucent version, almost wraith-like, looking more dull, not looking at me, just focussing ahead of himself with almost closed eyes as it seemed - flying in an almost sleepy monotonous composure next to me.

I (not just intuitively but even rationally as reaction to the visuals received) turned to the LEFT 'twin version' again for conversation then. We had already halted at the driveway into the forest, when I asked the obvious question: 'Why is your skin light-blue?'.

He (LEFT guy) looked at me and answered sth which I cannot render completely and 100% exactly, so it is again a more paraphrased verson of what I'm sure of:

"It is the same as with women's tits. A tit, you know? It is like injected hormones. Compare it to that.'

Wow, a monk talking about 'tits'. He really said that. Tit. Not breast. :shock:

He then leads the way into the forest where there he enters and shows me a kind of huge box with an entrance to sth. It might also have been a building or an elevator, or a cage? I am not sure.
However, I was suspicious already (see below) and also have acquired in the astral the inner urge to fly into or (if I already am) stay in the light (especially if I once gained vision from exit blindness!). This 'box' or whatever it was seemed too dark for me. I apologised and said to him that I'd rather fly upwards into the lighted areas and just proceed on my own. He looked at me, not annoyed, maybe just a little disappointed. I looked at my hands to stay focussed and flew on. However, I don't remember what happened next, maybe I also woke up or got back into my 'bed' for another exit.


Comments / Afterthoughts

I am certain that this guy was indeed alone and had created a 'replica' of himself (possibly even by my 'request' / expectation) to hold me also on my right side. So he might indeed have been a helper with quite some 'abilities'. You know, I do affirmations similar to the Monroe/Gateway affirmation (http://www.monroeinstitute.org/facilitators/the-gateway-affirmation/) asking to only let individuals approach to me who are 1. more advanced than me and 2. are able and 3. are willing to help me. So I assume it was indeed an advanced guy. But what did he want? Was he from a BST? Speculations, as I might never find out.

Of course, due to his 'artificially created' looks (hormones??! turning from female to male or what?) and his used language (so contradictive to his 'professional attire') it all already smelled 'fishy' to me. Maybe I am doing him some injustice and he really awanted to help in his own way. Maybe I still need to learn to communicate and interpret things better to achieve efficient communication with these (advanced?) beings. Still, the 'darker' cage that he led me into then made me even more suspicious and was - so to speak - the last straw that broke the camel's back.

Regarding the cross: I am not a religious guy at all, so I do not know why he appeared this way to me. However, thinking back to the fields and 'the shepherd' (see post there), religious connotations and imagery were used for me before in order to convey trust, as it seems. Seeing (in this case Christian) symbology is however, nothing negative for me, either. If it's not neutral it is even more positive. If I saw e.g. angels or figures like Buddha, Jesus, etc I would immediately associate it with positive, higher-vibration beings and /or energy. As I am convinced of reincarnation, it might also have been that I was more given to religion in previous lives, so this is where it might stem from.

Beekeeper
9th August 2011, 10:34 AM
I think you should consider that the cross predates Christianity and also that blue skinned beings are associated with Hinduism and even pop up in Ancient Egyptian mythology. A little research along these lines may yield insights.

Sinera
9th August 2011, 08:26 PM
I think you should consider that the cross predates Christianity and also that blue skinned beings are associated with Hinduism and even pop up in Ancient Egyptian mythology. A little research along these lines may yield insights.
Yes, but he also wore a monk's (or even priest's) robe. So ... well ... wait a minute ... could it be ... that he probably was a ...

http://www.blueimps.com/images/photos/RegularSmurfs/20431_monk_small.jpg:whatthe::mrgreen:

Jokes apart: Thanks for the hint about the ancient blue people race. Yes of course, I remember the many Hindu god illustrations, didn't think of that :banghead:. And blue is a very spiritual colour anyway.

I also saw sth about Atlantis recently on YT and there also was supposedly a 'blue race'. Interesting for sure, I am going to look at it more deeply.

But what could he have meant when he mentioned hormones? Seems like he said that he kind of 'pushed it'?

Korpo
9th August 2011, 10:05 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

I think this is another case of only getting words that belong to a similar group of meaning when trying to translate the energy into verbal communication. Imagine trying to use Google translator for reading Chinese. As far as I know many Chinese symbols have different meaning depending on context, and a computer program cannot establish context, and would spit out a sentence very similar to a phrase from a Taiwanese instruction booklet - some notion of what might have been meant, but enough mixups in translation to render it undecipherable.

Translating from one language into another is initially an awkward and error-prone process that can lead to misunderstandings. After a while you develop an intuition regarding connotation, context and how that changes meaning and what is expressed through various constructs. Imagine translating proverbs from one language into another one that has no direct equivalent you know of - the results would be probably hilarious.


"It is the same as with women's tits. A tit, you know? It is like injected hormones. Compare it to that.'

You were asking about his outer appearance. He connects something related to outer appearance (breasts) to something related to the inner workings of the body (hormones). Synthetic hormones or steroids can change body processes (inner workings) and in effect change outer appearance (development of a female breast on a male body, for example, or the development of the female breast during puberty from the more androgynous frame of a child). The meaning of the whole sentence could be that in analogy ("Compare it to that.") what you see as a blue tint of his skin could be an interpretation of an inner quality you recognise in him represented as outward appearance (marking him as special and unusual).

Do you know Michael Newton's books? Blue could then refer to the color spectrum he describes. Light blue would mark Newton's "Level V," see "Destiny of Souls", page 170. He even calls it "core color." I don't think this is arbitrary or limited to one author, we know a similar continuum from lower to higher in the chakras, so such classification according to color seems rather natural when one comes to think of it.

I'm also sure you remember these lyrics:


Dreaming of that face again. / It's bright and blue and shimmering.
Grinning wide / And comforting me with it's three warm and wild eyes.("Third Eye" by Tool)

Cheers,
Oliver

Korpo
10th August 2011, 10:47 PM
PS -


Wow, a monk talking about 'tits'. He really said that. Tit. Not breast.

"Tit" is a coarse term. It could denote the notion of coarseness as an attribute, an example from a coarse context (physical reality) serving as analogy for something happening in the underlying reality.

Sinera
11th August 2011, 07:01 PM
The meaning of the whole sentence could be that in analogy ("Compare it to that.") what you see as a blue tint of his skin could be an interpretation of an inner quality you recognise in him represented as outward appearance (marking him as special and unusual).
Do you know Michael Newton's books? Blue could then refer to the color spectrum he describes. Light blue would mark Newton's "Level V," see "Destiny of Souls", page 170. He even calls it "core color." I don't think this is arbitrary or limited to one author, we know a similar continuum from lower to higher in the chakras, so such classification according to color seems rather natural when one comes to think of it.
Yes, I know M. Newton's books and also the colour/frequencies mentioned according to development. Hmm, so you think I 'saw' his spiritual 'status' of development? Or maybe he showed it to me willingly in this way? Yes, it's an interesting point and absolutely possible.


PS -
"Tit" is a coarse term. It could denote the notion of coarseness as an attribute, an example from a coarse context (physical reality) serving as analogy for something happening in the underlying reality.
Or maybe he wanted me to remember this (for whatever reason..) at any rate and therefore chose this kind of direct and slang expression?

Sinera
3rd September 2011, 11:24 AM
Next to my 'akashic' dream project, I feel the need to get on with my projections now. I am a bit desperate as nothing seemed to work lately. I did not even get into 'the state'.

Therefore I decided now to 'call in' the "BLUE MONK" more or less directly to help me with projection (breaking my dry period!) and do some training or whatever learning experience I need to do (he might know what's best?).

It is because I have a feeling that he indeed IS advanced and can help me, although he looked almost like a cartoon figure, but that doesn't mean anything bad - I like cartoon figures :D.

I also think that he pulled me out a few times before when I did NOT see him. In this experience, too, I first saw his blurry shades only before vision came online, like it happened before (quote myself form below:"First I saw again the hands holding me with only a kind of almost invisible and blurry outlines which I described illustratively as the 'Predator combat mode' on my Johnny-Smith-experience post), then the visuals fully came on and I knew where I was, whom I was with and saw everything."). So, he might have pulled me out already more than 1 times.

And the last projection that involved him was indeed a progress because I reached a set target: to be able to SEE my helper(s). Another success was that I could talk to him and he responded although it was again hard to interpret for me. But anyway: we TALKED. I would not have been able to do 'these things' a year ago or so.

There's more: I even think I remember I saw his face during a short dream sequence, a year ago or more, it was a group of people around a table as if we had a kind of 'meeting'. (This happened in the weeks of our group dreaming experiment I participated in here, that is why I know it is over a year ago). However, then he looked just like a normal human male (no monk dress, no blue skin) in his 50ies or 60ies.

So I have a gut feeling that I should trust him and rely on his expertise. What do you think (given the experience from above and my conclusions from it)? If you like, wish me luck or keep me shortly in your intentions that I might succeed with 'my teamwork with the monk' (and that I'm right about this!). I feel that this is a way for me to get on. Maybe I am wrong, but intuition tells me I could be right.

Sinera
4th September 2011, 02:19 PM
04/Sep/2011
I'm Tom Campbell / The 'Human Contact Zone'

I get into the state with slight vibrations. I'm lying on the bed of a hotel room. I am Thomas Campbell, as usual as he is now these days, of calm and senior charisma with a white beard. I think (iirc) I have my clothes on. It is a big hotel building complex. The room is lighted. As usual, I am also a bit bi-located, which means I'm also still stretched out on the couch in my living room where I'm usually when trying to project.

A helper then comes "flown down" taking my hands. Well, the Blue Monk (as requested) does not turn up. But a nice girl. She is slightly familiar to me. It might have been the girl called Ludmilla, not sure though. She looks sweet.

She somehow (don't remember the transit, maybe we just 'phased') takes me to a place that is called the "Human Contact Zone". She explains to me (at least as I understand it) this is where people (human discarnates / spirits) can observe and also meet incarnated humans. But she explains it is also the other way round, so that incarnates can come here (which is logical to me since I was there now...) if they want to meet discarnates. Seems to be a meeting place (zone) of some kind.

The place, however, as I visualise it, seems a bit strange. It is a huge room with people walking around and looking through devices that resemble telescopes or periscopes (most of them on tables though).

The scene is short (lasting a few seconds only) and I quickly seem to be switched back (still as T.C.) to the start scene lying on the hotel room bed. I am looking out of the huge window into the night sky now. I close the shutters then (as if I want to go to sleep). I do not remember more of it.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Okay, the explanation of the first and most striking question that one might have is quite simple and straightforward (at first): I was watching a video of T.C., one of his talks, right before going to bed. We often dream of any impressions we have from the day before (even if it's only tv or youtube or whatever). As one can see by this 'identity assimilation / adoption' I was not entirely lucid, but as it contained 'projection elements' (vibrations, a helper helping me out) I put it here. I also wasn't entirely in dream state but still aware of 'my self' in some way, most of all since I was well aware of 'doing a projection now'.

But there's maybe more to it: as T.C. is also a skilled explorer of the non-physical it might be a chosen 'aspect' of mine metaphorically expressing my explorer attitude. So it was probably my "own TC in me" that was activated.:wink:

Why was I shown this place/zone in this very short trip? I don't know exactly as I did not request it. As I conneced this girl with the retriever-helpers already months ago, only the retrieval aspect comes to my mind here. Maybe the girl showed me a kind of 'base of operations' from which retrievals can be planned or begun/induced from their perspective. Maye these observation gadgets also hint to that. But this is mere conjecture now. Maybe it was just a meeting place after all.

Korpo
4th September 2011, 04:03 PM
The place, however, as I visualise it, seems a bit strange. It is a huge room with people walking around and looking through devices that resemble telescopes or periscopes (most of them on tables though).

Well, there's the notion that the dead "watch over us."

poème
4th September 2011, 04:21 PM
In your previous post, you were wondering whether you should trust or not the blue monk to help you with your projections (hence the link with Thomas Campbell, a seasoned projector). You even put the question in bold letters : ''What do you think (given the experience from above and my conclusions from it)?''

My guess would be that this girl brought you to this 'meeting place' or 'contact zone' as an answer to your question. As she explained, in this place, discarnated people (the blue monk) can come in contact with incarnated (you), but it also works the other way around. Perhaps she meant that you may get in touch with the blue monk and that you may get to know each others better before going any further. (Perhaps he knows a lot about you but what do you know about him? If you come to find that he is thrustworthy, you will be less likely to have doubts and your trust will make it easier for him to work with you... But trust builds over time, so a bit of patience may be needed here! ;))

Sinera
4th September 2011, 10:58 PM
Well, there's the notion that the dead "watch over us."
I wouldn't call them dead at all, they seem pretty much alive 'up there'. :) Well, I should maybe have written "non-physical" instead, because this kind of discarnate-incarnate dichotomy is sometimes misleading. The notion of 'being watched' by non-physical beings when you are getting spiritually active (call it 'awakening' or 'evolving' or whatever) - including, of course, the very interested helpers - was what TC talked about also in this video. I looked it up and bookmarked it, it's here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQS0e6fXOCA#t=56m05s
So maybe this 'being watched (benevolently)' was this kind of message from the vid I just saw that also was re-inforced and conveyed to me here.


My guess would be that this girl brought you to this 'meeting place' or 'contact zone' as an answer to your question. As she explained, in this place, discarnated people (the blue monk) can come in contact with incarnated (you), but it also works the other way around. Perhaps she meant that you may get in touch with the blue monk and that you may get to know each others better before going any further. (Perhaps he knows a lot about you but what do you know about him? If you come to find that he is thrustworthy, you will be less likely to have doubts and your trust will make it easier for him to work with you... But trust builds over time, so a bit of patience may be needed here! ;))
Yes this could very well be. Another trust-building measure, so to speak. A zone from where we are watched but where we also could go (if we learn how to do it) and meet up with trustworthy helpers.

Hey, nice that you're back, I hope you had a great vacation trip.:cool:

poème
7th September 2011, 02:52 PM
Yes this could very well be. Another trust-building measure, so to speak. A zone from where we are watched but where we also could go (if we learn how to do it) and meet up with trustworthy helpers.

My first thought was that the blue monk wanted you to make some steps of your own towards him. After all, you called for him that night, but instead of him, someone else showed up to bring you to that contact zone as if to make you understand this.
…But it could also be as you say. The girl simply wanted to show you a place where you could meet up with (other?) thrustworthy helpers.

That being said, since you’ve been there once, chances are you should be able to go back. You now know how the place feels like. I think Kurt Leland mentionned that this feeling can be used as some kind of address or energy signature in the non-physical (hope I’m not distorting his words here), so perhaps you could try to focus on this ‘address’ to return there.

As I see it though, I don’t think you need to get there to initiate contact and/or build a relationship… I like the idea that we’re being watched over, as Korpo says (and the movie), and this is what your projection seems to show indeed. Everything we do and think may be monitored, so one can easily think of many means to reach and/or contact these benevolent watchers, even from the physical. After all,like she said, it also works the other way around, i.e. they can reach us from the non-physical but we can also reach them from the physical. For instance, simply sending thoughts to your helpers (and your higher self too) during meditation can do at first. Your thoughts will reach them. Weither you get feedback or not will then depend upon them and your ability to recognize feedback in the physical state, a skill that builts up too. You seem to already have an eye for this, so… :-)



Hey, nice that you're back, I hope you had a great vacation trip.:cool:

I sure did and thanks! :-D
Now, I'll bookmark that video to watch it some time later. Sounds interesting!

Sinera
24th September 2011, 12:23 PM
24/Sep/2011
Borderland Research (1): Near-Wake Vibes & Audio-Livestream Transcription Errors

I expect this to be an ongoing thing with more results coming in, so I see this as part one. My term "borderland research" can refer to two things: Primarily I refer to the range between waking state and trance state. But as this also has to do with the spectrum of dreams, hypnagogics or dream imaginery on the one side and lucid imagery / experiences (as simultaneous data flow from "the astral" as well as "the physical"!) on the other, one can view this as a secondary aspect of induced 'borderland' experience in the course of this experimentation. Since some degree of 'lucidity' is involved here I put this here instead of into my dream (programming project) threads, despite some of these experiences being also 'dreamed (=unlucid)' in a wider sense.

So... What am I doing? Well, first of all I do the same as before. I 'prime' myself for projection with 2-3 hours of sleep (varying), then get up from my bed and lay down on my 'projection couch' in the most uncomfortable position (for me!) - lying on my back with arms to the side (also called 'soldier' or even 'corpse' pose).

So far so already known, what's new is that I introduced now audio streams again. I use some monotonous lucid-dreaming sounds but I mixed them with a (low voice) personal affirmation repeated every 5-or-so seconds. These affirmations repeatedly produce now the first phenomenon which I talk about here and came to label as "audiostream transcription distortion".

Audio-Livestream Transcription Errors

This isn't actually sth new as it happened before when I used audio affirmations at night (mainly during my first year of practice, 2009-2010), I just never bothered to report on it so far. But since I use now the affirmations audio stream for some days, it repeats itself over and over again. Therefore I believe that (according to a personal 'semi-scientific' principle) this kind of almost controlled replication of a phenomenon is worth a mention now. Maybe some of you experienced similar things, too.

Perhaps, some of you might also already have read my most recent experience with an 'awakener' when a dream figure (or more) referred to an 'outside' sound from the physical, which was my lucid dreaming audios stream (still without the affirmations over it though).
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12131-Dream-Programming-Experiment-7-The-Awakeners-Prompters&p=103239#post103239

This is a similar thing now, just with the added affirmations, plus it happens in dream and (semi-)lucid state.

Here are two examples:

In a dream some days ago, I am driving with a buddy of mine as a pillion passenger behind him on his motorcycle. He repeats the affirmation to me that is simultaneously playing in physical life in my bedroom. However, he 'mimicks' it simultaneously but uses different words completely, the meaning of which got lost for me (not remembered). This is what I refer to as 'audio-livestream transcription error'. The fact that I know and "hear" the affirmation although the words are changed is a lucid element - the fact that I instantly KNOW (while dreaming) that the words my buddy uses are NOT the correct ones even more!

The same tonight: I am experiencing dream imagery and am "hearing" the affirmation. But it is a different wording again. The rhythm is the same, but the accentuation is different. Thus I 'hear' another word.
And again: I am LUCID enough to KNOW that 1) this is the audiostream from the physical, and 2) this still cannot be right as the words are different. In the dream still I try to get the correction but I do not manage to do so. Then I get almost to the surface of near-awakeness and I put the right affirmation in (means: I hear the live stream), take it "with me" and 'delve down' deeper again into trance state again. I keep playing with it. Sometimes loosing the right wording and 'hearing' the wrong words again or even switching to and fro, still in a kind of trance-like, semi-lucid, hypnagogic or even dreamy state.

Of course, somehow this all is a failure since my objective for using the affirmation audio stream at night is to get lucid and / or induce exit, which did not (yet!) quite work. Still, it is a kind of interesting research for me.

The second phenomenon happened already to me a few months ago for the first time, which I did not mention here. Tonight it happened again like described below. I believe, it also has to do with this semi-lucid, near-wake state that is caused by the audiostream/affirmations:

Near-Wake Vibes

At one point I manage to induce (and partly control) vibrations. But something is different. My heart beats fast which is not the case when I'm normally in 'the state'. I also do not experience any kind of (physical or emotional) stress symptoms then but am completely trance-relaxed.
Not so this time! I feel the vibes but I also feel my heart beating faster and my body getting strained, as if 'giving birth' to vibrations under pressure. There is definitely a correlation. When I 'turn up' the vibes it also increases my heart beat. It seems like I kind of am 'cramping' it out (for lack of better expressions from a non-native speaker, but I hope you get the meaning).
Secondly, I do not manage to make an exit when I try to. I then try to roll out. But this time (and not as a false awakening!) I actually really roll my physical body only. I look at my hands then to do a reality check, I am really awake, the (forceful) vibrations gone.
Maybe I was already too near to the complete waking state so that no exit "into the astral" was possible anymore. Still, I experienced the vibrations the way as they always were, just accompanied by physical body symptoms of a less desirable kind.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Enough has been said to both phenomena above. Just let me repeat that I hope to learn more from this kind of interesting experments. Maybe it really helps me to learn to control ways of induction more when 'playing with(in)' and 'moving inside' these in-between states, which I hope will also lead to better and increased number of exits, in the long run.

poème
24th September 2011, 11:57 PM
Of course, somehow this all is a failure since my objective for using the affirmation audio stream at night is to get lucid and / or induce exit, which did not (yet!) quite work. Still, it is a kind of interesting research for me.

Failure is a strong wrong that I wouldn’t use here… After all, you did observed results, and you were actually led on very interesting trails through these results…;)

Among other things, your experiments seem to point out that while our consciousness may be mainly focused in the dream state, it may also be aware of what is going on in another level of focus, i.e. the physical in these cases. Why so? Is it because counsciousness is always operating at all levels at the same time? Or is consciousness actually `plural` and each energy body a part of cousciouness focusing at a specific level only? Is it both… Or completely something else? What could explain `distortions` such as these you noticed then? How is an information `communicated` from one level of consciousness to another? Is there even such kind of communication?

That being said, this interesting passage of your post caught my attention :

(...) Then I get almost to the surface of near-awakeness and I put the right affirmation in (means: I hear the live stream), take it "with me" and 'delve down' deeper again into trance state again. I keep playing with it. Sometimes loosing the right wording and 'hearing' the wrong words again or even switching to and fro, still in a kind of trance-like, semi-lucid, hypnagogic or even dreamy state.

Some say that information may be passed on from a higher energy body to the one `below`, then to the one `below`, until the information reaches the counscious mind (physical). However, as the information is passed on from one body to another, it is translated into the language of the lather body. And a translation always implies a more or less important loss or transformation of the original message, depending on how foreign or similar these different languages are. It seems like your experience shows that the same phenomenon happens from the other way around as well. An input from the physical (your affirmation) is taken almost as it is into what could be the etheric body (the `near-awakeness` state you describe), but as you dive deeper, and perhaps transfer your main focus into the next body (astral), you lose little by little your hold on the original wording as it is translated into a language more fit for the astral body.

Perhaps this is what also happened here :

In a dream some days ago, I am driving with a buddy of mine as a pillion passenger behind him on his motorcycle. He repeats the affirmation to me that is simultaneously playing in physical life in my bedroom. However, he 'mimicks' it simultaneously but uses different words completely (...)

As your counsciousness is mainly focused in the dream body, the original wording (or the original package of the information, or camouflage perhaps, in Seth’s terms) was translated into the language of the dream body. Indeed, this other character with you ``mimicks`` it. The words no longer stick with the original affirmation because they were only the package containing the information (which is energy) in the physical. But if I followed you well, his ``mimicks`` were still conveying the original information (energy) behind your words.

Further experiments may show if indeed such a translation process is involved, and if so, how it works, but also what is lucidity, and how both work together. For instance, does a high degree of lucidity means a more litteral translation (therefore less `transformation`) of the original words (or package/camouflage)? How much `input` from the physical can be actually picked on as we sleep and taken into this in-between state (etheric?) or/and into the dream state?

Could be very interesting ;)

Sinera
25th September 2011, 12:49 PM
Could be very interesting ;)
Yes, indeed interesting, thanks for the interesting points with regard to the different bodies and interactions, I hadn't so far thought of different bodies I might have been in. It is an interesting idea that each "body" might have its own consciousness level where translation / transmission must occur between them in order to bridge the (level/dimension/focus/frequency?) gaps and manage to get an effective (instant?) up-down or bottom-up communication.
What's also relevant here is that in the physical we have "sound" and it might not "translate" itself on the other levels the way we are accustomed to it in the physical. I remember (and still wonder about) the communication channel that Gálaca/Ludmilla used (3-4 times) with me when we "were" holding hands in the non-physical (etheric? astral?) and she was "using" normal sound which I literally "physically" heard in my ears. How did she do that? Meanwhile, as I have seen her and know how she looks like, we also communicated by telephatic "voice" (like you do in dreams, too)- which might be the normal medium (lingua franca) in the non-physical. Still it is interesting to note that whenever I was still "exit blinded" they were using it when it seemed that I expected it (but only then!! - as can be read by my "holding-hands-exercises" with the helpers, I assume mostly with Gálaca or The Monk)- which seems to indicate to me that I also had a kind of "in-between-state" then between the physical (with auditory input) and non-physical (without visual input). How did they do it, however, so I wonder, as they are not physical and do not posess mouths and vocal chords? Maybe, since sound is vibration of air 'translated' to parts in the inner ear, they kind of modulated my inner ear (or even brain) to make me "hear" it? Just some weird ideas now, but still: it all has to do with communication channels, broadcasting, senses and translatiatory issues.
Very interesting stuff indeed.

Korpo
25th September 2011, 09:10 PM
Do you remember what the changed versions of your affirmations were? They could be interesting beyond noticing they were different, also comparing them with the originals.

The interplay between the various bodies is very complex, especially since they constitute part of our consciousness while awake, but a different aspect of them is that they can be vehicles to other planes on their own. Charles calls the aspects we regularly use faculties, and they are understood parts of our existence - like for example sensation, feeling, emotion, thought, reflection and abstraction.

Still each of those compose different areas of our existence. Feeling the visceral body sensations accompanying fear is different from thinking or reading about fear. One is a direct experience as coming in through the body whose senses convey it, and the other is a concept reflected in another body.

A purely energetic experience in nonphysical reality is different in that it needs translation in the way poeme described. Various errors in the translation can make this apparent, glitches and various other elements that have to do with the interpretation of the energetic content by the mind. Just as you take in physical reality by using the faculties of the bodies, you take in nonphysical reality through the bodies as well. And as we perceive reality through sensation, emotion, thought and reflection, we do so on the other side, too. Except we usually have not decades of training present as we do with the faculties.

You could perceive this process as dropping down through the levels, or you could see it as happening on all levels continuously. Your mind moves between the various levels fluidly. Somebody hits you by surprise. The physical sensation creates sensation impact in the etheric body. Emotional reactions are complex in that they are both rooted in the physical glands and their nonphysical counter.-aspects. Then you might ask yourself who or what you by surprise. Your mental body has kicked in. You might get angry. The interplay of events and reactions might be terribly hard to trace unless slowed down a lot.

The presence of different levels can become apparent when a level is absent, like when somebody is in a red rage and does no longer think about his or her actions. Or in various states of trance where for example the body sensation would be replaced by numbness and might even further fade, and other sense inputs can vanish as well.

Sinera
25th September 2011, 09:48 PM
Do you remember what the changed versions of your affirmations were? They could be interesting beyond noticing they were different, also comparing them with the originals.
No, unfortunately not. I knew they were different but I do not remember them exactly.


Just as you take in physical reality by using the faculties of the bodies, you take in nonphysical reality through the bodies as well.
It seems to me that with this method I am in the process of learning to 'flicker' between the bodies and related sense perceptions now.

So I once hear one version (the acoustic from the physical) while in trance and then in the next instant 'hear-perceive' its 'astral' counterpart (although I'm not yet skilled enough for translation) and so I'm going to and fro all the time, maybe I'll even be able to reach some degree of control. It almost seems like a kind of sport to me - a dizzy-making one. :wacky1:

Well, maybe the "moving" itself could be the primary objective of the exercise, rather than the perfect translation / understanding which might come later / secondary, as I become a more skilled level/body-(quick)-switcher or just am more accustomed to it? ;) Perhaps it would make sense to progress with it this way.

Maybe the dream with the girl in the church was a hint to that. A few days ago, almost in desperation now, I was asking the larger consciousness system / my higher self and my guides to give me more 'tips' to become a better meditator, projector, dreamer etc. and especially to overcome my dry period regarding projection. I asked them to show me what else can I do, and what I can do better. Maybe this is one (just one!) part of the solution.

I will keep on trying this method now (not every night but give it a fair amount of attempts in the coming weeks).

Sinera
25th September 2011, 10:27 PM
25/Sep/2011
How Is Andy Baker Doing? / Purpose-Focussed Lucidity

The analogy with regard to the semantical syntax of the first part of the heading already insinuates it: This has to do with reality bending and possible telepathic contact with another "lost friend" again. Actually I remember this one more as a (semi-lucid) dream instead of a lucidventure. However, I put it here as a promissory measure, as I have a strong feeling it might become sth similar as with Johnny Smith in future. Some of my actions in this dream also reveal a high lucidity with regard to my current professional (job change) situation. This makes me now coin another term (more on it below): AGENDA/PURPOSE-FOCUSSED LUCIDITY.

In the "dream", I am in the living room of my sister, which used to be the bedroom of my parents in my childhood, and it is next to my portal room where I often projected into in the past. My sister is giving a party and I do not know anyone of her friends. Then I see another known face. It is Andy Baker [again: not his real name!], another friend from my childhood/youth days.

Some important background again before I go on with the dream: I haven't seen him for years. But I thought about him recently quite often. The reason is simple: I know he is a medical doctor nowadays and has a shared practice (not too far from my current hometown, btw) with another doctor. He has a website (finding it wasn't too easy, since he - as a nice coincidence to "Johnny Smith"- also has a John-Doe-name and cannot be googled, but I knew the location of his practice). So the reason I thought of him (especially when I am in my childhood hometown where we passed our youth) is that I am in training to become an alternative medicine practicioner. He is a "normal" conventional medical doctor but also open to alternative therapies (as I know from his website and from memory) as he does homeopathy and acupuncture, too. Of course, and I admit to some selfishness here, I would like to meet him not solely for the purpose of meeting an old good friend (that too, of course!). I think it is good in my situation to have another friend with a longer-standing expertise in the medical professional field and that he might be able to help me in one way or another later on or during my training. I even did some LoA-wise affirmations and visualisations that I am about to meet him soon (next year would be enough) although so far I did not affirmations to meet him in the non-physical. This is what maybe happened now. Let's go on with the "dream" now:

I first did not even notice him although he sits next to me on a bed or couch. Then he sort of intervenes in a talk I have with another guy there. I say: "Hey, Andy, I haven't even noticed you until now. How are you?". So we go on talking. Later we are sitting at a table with some people leaving and joining us constantly.

What strikes me already in the dream is his excessive party behaviour. He drinks a lot of alcohol (a dark beer). And (even more striking) he seems to try to flirt with some of the women present. He even exchanges telephone numbers for dates with them.
My bewilderment might be understandable when I mention that I know him as an (almost fundamental) Christian from his youth rather than a party-goer and womanizer. Moreover, he is - according to his website - married with two children now. (However, we both in the dream were - as it is almost custom in the non-physical - in our mid-20ies).

Then I ask him what I need to ask (with my own 'selfish' motive in the back of my mind). About his job and his practice. He tells me that he has problems with his colleague. There is some disagreement with his colleague about their matched vacation schedules (so one has to take over the patients of the other one), which somehow annoys him. But when I then ask about his patients and if he has enough and if the practice is going well, he says yes, all is fine.

He then says he is about to leave now again. I do not talk about my training but I assume he knows about it and of course we agree to meet again soon. I ask him about his phone number, he says that it is still the same, the old one I should have. I tell him that I still have it as it sticks as a slip of paper on a kind of old cork board with addresses at home.

Before he leaves I also tell him about this celebration that my sister gives and says that it is not exactly on her birthday today, as we already are at a later date now. I think for a short while and then say the date of what I considered "today": February 21st.

Comments / Afterthoughts

So the question is if I will really meet him in physical life now. According to this dream and the Law of Attraction and after my convincing "Johnny-Smith-Experience" already, I am certain that it will happen next year. I doubt (as so far announcements with dates did not work for me) that it will be next year on Feb 21st, but maybe in February or around it. I will meet him at the right time in the right place - and it will be helpful for me. Of this I am certain now. LoA is a pretty cool thing. :-)

Also, compared to my lucidventure with "Johnny Smith" on 18 June (and its "sequel" on 6th July) there is another interesting parallel. The room of the party was exactly the same I flew out of when going on the search for Johnny Smith. (quote from below: "I am in the neigbouring room of my portal, which used to be the bedroom of my parents when I was a small child."). Maybe it's coincidence, maybe not and it's a pattern.

I wonder if the current trouble with his colleague is right. However, one fact does not match with physical life: According to the website, his colleague is a woman and not a man as it was given to me in the dream.

Some thoughts on "AGENDA/PURPOSE-FOCUSSED LUCIDITY":

I did not realise I am in a dream. Still, what strikes me is the display of straight purposefulness and relevance for my physical life agenda of my questions and behaviour towards him. This 100% decidedness and It makes a strong case for my development of this kind of lucidity. Isn't it amazing how we can be so completely focussed on physical life goals and agendas - and this even in normal dreams, despite the lack of lucidity (knowing that one is dreaming)?

It also seems I invited him to this "party" in the first place (of my sister with whom he does have no relation to in physical life, he does not even know her). I did not mention it in the text but he also sometimes gave the impression of being a guest only "passing through" as if he was invited to a party where he normally does not belong to or would not have wanted to go to, but could not reject the request of an old friend (in this case: me).
Maybe, if it really was a dream aspect of his multidimensional self and not just my projection of him, his time pressure and the casualness and flippancy of his short appearance shows that he would not have been here normally - due to other more usual 'dream matters' he might have had to follow. So I am possibly an 'intruder' into his 'normal' dream world somehow. However, he maybe "accepted" it like any of us would accept a party invitation from old friends, perhaps out of courtesy, although you might not really want to got here or think you have other/better things to do on that date. (That does not mean that he was slack or disinterested, in the dream he was the nice and pleasant guy to converse and have fun with as he always used to be!)

I am looking forward to meeting him next year now, as well as to "October/November" as I was promised in a dream some interesting development for my job (and life) change aspirations, too.

(ps oops sorry, just noted this post got much longer as it was planned to be)
(psps: need to check on the corkboard still)

Sinera
8th October 2011, 12:18 PM
08/Oct/2011
The Affirmation

This night I first get vibrations once and try a roll-out but I fail and notice that I 'rolled myself awake'. This first failed attempt maybe attracts my helpers again. After an hour or so in sleep again I get into trance and manage to do multiple exits with helpers again hauling me out one time after another (maybe 3-5), mostly grabbing me - as usual - by my hands and arms.

The whole time, however, I experience exit blindness again. Anyway, mindsight or willing imagination tells me I seem to be in "Portal Alpha" (childhood room) again. "Portal Beta" is what I now came to call the "Tom Campbell Suit(e)" (... mind the nice wordplay :)) from which I accessed the HCZ then ("Human Contact Zone" see post 04/Sept/2011).

Despite lack of vision (again :x) I am otherwise very lucid as the presence of mind regarding my set goals shows. After the first was accomplished (while the helpers, one to the left, one to the right were still holding me) with doing a kind of intended Law-Of-Attraction-Affirmation for my physical life, I tried two other ones: To reach the HCZ again (via Portal Beta), which does not work. Then I try to get vision doing affirmations: No success either. After another return and exit I still see a darkened room but I detect the hazy shades of the window of Portal Alpha where I usually exited into "the Astral". I try fly towards it in order to get out but am slowing down and before I make it I get back to body / awake again.

One image is transmitted to me in-between: My own eyeglasses dangling from what seems to be an outside telephone or power/utility pole. They are rendered in over-size because they are almost as big as the entire huge telephone pole.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The eyeglasses may refer to the missing visuals again. If it was a telephone pole it might also refer to communication. In case it was an electricity pylon - well, I don't know, maybe the same.

It is of course a bit frustrating to still experience blindness and not even gaining it after my affirmation-attempts (which worked well on other occasions before). No progress made this time, same old drag, I'm almost a bit bored now with exit blindness and the whole bag of being-hauled-out-into-the-dark-room-experiences. http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/images/smilies/icon_neutral.gif

Well, okay ... on the other hand I spoke the LoA affirmation in the Astral, which is what I really wanted, so the primary goal was accomplished and it was a success in this regard. Maybe vision would even have 'distracted' me from it. Looking at it from this angle it makes even sense to 'do without' vision. Hence the picture of the 'suspended' glasses for the sake of better verbal (tele-)communication (symbolized by the pole)???

On a more philosophical side note: Reading all this again, I still need to remind myself sometimes of how unusual my experiences are. 99+% of the "normal" population would be shocked or disturbed and think they were going completely nuts now when they experienced entities dragging them out of body at night. Or probably they would think that I am nuts when I told them about this and told them that I even 'ask for it' since it is a cooperative thing.
Hence it is interesting to note how life perspectives and the notion of 'normality' change when you deal with metaphysics 'actively' by routine practice. Moreover, there is a sweet irony in it (as you might already know that I always try to find a humorous note in my experiences) when I judge this episode now even as 'boring' while the majority of the population would be scared to death by it.

(ps: regarding the post before this one: I met Andy again in a dream, we were together on a congress with lectures etc. (possibly about health topics) and then went as a recreational activity with some other guys into a gymn to play basketball.)

Korpo
13th October 2011, 11:18 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Your latest experience has many clues for a simulation again, most probably one in learning to handle the mental body. So no need to long for experiences where you had visuals or the affirmations just worked. That would be like missing sitting in high school class while attending college. ;)

Exit blindness is a clue for a situation where either one or more chakras still need to be developed (and hence no sight), or some of them are suppressed (and hence no sight) to help focus on the lesson of simulation (which might be to develop a single chakra or a dedicated set of chakras in unison). Kurt often refers to simulation as being like attending a gym with workout equipment. The equipment limits your range of movement to dedicatedly and correctly develop a certain muscle group in isolation. Similarly a simulation can serve the purpose of mastering only one chakra or set of chakras instead of all at once.

My own experience is that the exit blindness in the mental body occurs when developing the lower three chakras - presence in the mental body, the feeling of being on the lower mental plane and being sensitive towards its space, and mobility. The combination of these chakras also enables a kind of vision that is more like 3D touch or "knowing the space."

That your attempts to get somewhere else did not work also was probably due to it being a simulation - a limiting environment that tries to establish focus on the lesson at hand. Exploring the simulation for clues about what to do is usually the way to go. Later on, when mastering the body you are training, you might experience initiations (like Neil's) where you basically know what to do. Before you can do that automatically usually comes a phase of figuring it all out, and that phase contains simulations. You develop the inner senses that will later be refined and mastered to become mastery of the respective body you are in.

My guess for the eyeglass symbol would be this: You still need to expand (big size) your vision/ability to see (eyeglasses) energy (the pole - both telephone and electricity lines transmit energy). Not being able to deside what pole it is could mean it is both - energy = electrity, information/communication = telephone signals. In the higher planes, information is just the ability to read the information aspect of the energy.

Oliver

Sinera
16th October 2011, 12:59 PM
Later on, when mastering the body you are training, you might experience initiations (like Neil's) where you basically know what to do. Before you can do that automatically usually comes a phase of figuring it all out, and that phase contains simulations. You develop the inner senses that will later be refined and mastered to become mastery of the respective body you are in. (...)
My own experience is that the exit blindness in the mental body occurs when developing the lower three chakras - presence in the mental body, the feeling of being on the lower mental plane and being sensitive towards its space, and mobility. The combination of these chakras also enables a kind of vision that is more like 3D touch or "knowing the space."

Exit blindness is a clue for a situation where either one or more chakras still need to be developed (and hence no sight), or some of them are suppressed (and hence no sight) to help focus on the lesson of simulation (which might be to develop a single chakra or a dedicated set of chakras in unison). Kurt often refers to simulation as being like attending a gym with workout equipment. The equipment limits your range of movement to dedicatedly and correctly develop a certain muscle group in isolation. Similarly a simulation can serve the purpose of mastering only one chakra or set of chakras instead of all at once.

So to get it right: You say that every chakra functions on every level/body (differently) and so, if we consider this to be a progression, I might have done on this specific instance a training on the 2nd (=mental - or 3rd if we count in the etheric body before the astral) body - and there been working on sub-level 1-3 (counting the chakras as usual from the base up)?

How about the many experiences when I finally saw the helper ("Blue Monk", Gálaca aka Ludmilla)? Did I 'switch on chakra(s) 4,5,6,7 then on the Mental Body? And does that mean that the discarnate helpers / guides themselves generally operate on the Mental (body) Level?

This would be the logical mechanism if we consider retrievals involving retrievees who are solely 'boxed in' on their Astral level (thought-form / dream / Focus23 or whatever) and the incarnated retriever acting as the 'intermediary' who is able to operate on the Astral level to contact them and has the task to get them out there by making them "aware" of the Mental-level discarnate helper who can 'take over' then. So you (as incarnated helper) aid in 'pushing' them onto a higher mental level (and above) for them to 'go home'?


Your latest experience has many clues for a simulation again, most probably one in learning to handle the mental body. (...) That your attempts to get somewhere else did not work also was probably due to it being a simulation - a limiting environment that tries to establish focus on the lesson at hand. Exploring the simulation for clues about what to do is usually the way to go.

Hm, well, but I wonder a bit about the term 'simulation' here, as also in Kurt's terminology I thought it only refers to dream state lessons we take, but not lucid ones such as this one. Also I thought, according to Kurt, a simulation is a learning situation which is guarded / maintained by so-called 'robots' of the larger consciousness system, instead of more autonomous and self-aware helper personalities (and I am now really convinced they are independent helpers even when I do not see them).

Therefore I would have called it a 'training session' rather than a 'simulation' (although I admit this distinction might even be a bit trifle now). Yes, I have indeed the same impression that it was really a 'restricted space' as you say and that my lesson objective (which had been my own set goal indeed) probably was already achieved by 'speaking' the affirmation.

Sinera
16th October 2011, 01:12 PM
04/Sep/2011
I'm Tom Campbell / The 'Human Contact Zone'
(...)
Comments / Afterthoughts
Okay, the explanation of the first and most striking question that one might have is quite simple and straightforward (at first): I was watching a video of T.C., one of his talks, right before going to bed. We often dream of any impressions we have from the day before (even if it's only tv or youtube or whatever). As one can see by this 'identity assimilation / adoption' I was not entirely lucid, but as it contained 'projection elements' (vibrations, a helper helping me out) I put it here. I also wasn't entirely in dream state but still aware of 'my self' in some way, most of all since I was well aware of 'doing a projection now'.
But there's maybe more to it: as T.C. is also a skilled explorer of the non-physical it might be a chosen 'aspect' of mine metaphorically expressing my explorer attitude. So it was probably my "own TC in me" that was activated.
Why was I shown this place/zone in this very short trip? I don't know exactly as I did not request it. As I conneced this girl with the retriever-helpers already months ago, only the retrieval aspect comes to my mind here. Maybe the girl showed me a kind of 'base of operations' from which retrievals can be planned or begun/induced from their perspective. Maye these observation gadgets also hint to that. But this is mere conjecture now. Maybe it was just a meeting place after all.Just a short note on this one. As this one really keeps fascinating, intriguing but also dumbfounding me til today I now went on Tom's forum and will try to contact him (pm-wise) and ask his opinion about it. Maybe he even knows about a "Human Contact Zone" and there is more to it?

Tutor
16th October 2011, 03:10 PM
Volgerle, an offering in the lyrics: Southern Cross: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kImL2gDkI

Korpo
16th October 2011, 06:40 PM
So to get it right: You say that every chakra functions on every level/body (differently) and so, if we consider this to be a progression, I might have done on this specific instance a training on the 2nd (=mental - or 3rd if we count in the etheric body before the astral) body - and there been working on sub-level 1-3 (counting the chakras as usual from the base up)?

Yes.


How about the many experiences when I finally saw the helper ("Blue Monk", Gálaca aka Ludmilla)? Did I 'switch on chakra(s) 4,5,6,7 then on the Mental Body? And does that mean that the discarnate helpers / guides themselves generally operate on the Mental (body) Level?

This would be the logical mechanism if we consider retrievals involving retrievees who are solely 'boxed in' on their Astral level (thought-form / dream / Focus23 or whatever) and the incarnated retriever acting as the 'intermediary' who is able to operate on the Astral level to contact them and has the task to get them out there by making them "aware" of the Mental-level discarnate helper who can 'take over' then. So you (as incarnated helper) aid in 'pushing' them onto a higher mental level (and above) for them to 'go home'?

Don't overthink it.

I can't say spontaneously what body your earlier experiences were in. The notion of the chakras can be helpful if there are clear clues for them present as in the simulation experience.


Hm, well, but I wonder a bit about the term 'simulation' here, as also in Kurt's terminology I thought it only refers to dream state lessons we take, but not lucid ones such as this one.

That seems to be your conclusion. I don't see any such distinction in Kurt's usage of the term.


Also I thought, according to Kurt, a simulation is a learning situation which is guarded / maintained by so-called 'robots' of the larger consciousness system, instead of more autonomous and self-aware helper personalities (and I am now really convinced they are independent helpers even when I do not see them).

As far as I remember, a robot is one possibility but not the only one. Again, I'm not aware of Kurt using any such distinction.

The problem in trying to pigeon-hole experiences is the tendency to come up with more and more holes and lose the commonality of the experiences. Kurt cut the issue short for himself by inventing the term "adventure in consciousness" because trying to pigeon-hole experiences into astral projections, etheric/RTZ projections, non-lucid dreams, dreams, meditative visions, whatever, seemed to miss the point. They were all experiences happening to his consciousness, and dropping arbitrary distinctions can help detect commonalities that lead to deeper insight.

In my own AC journal I also record physical reality (waking? ;) ) experiences when they seem to be of significance, including synchronicities, patterns in lessons I detect and many other things. By dropping the distinction I allowed myself to use the same tools for reading energy, patterns and symbols to work in my daily life, and this is where a good deal of the magic can happen, too.

Sinera
17th October 2011, 05:52 PM
In my own AC journal I also record physical reality (waking? ;) ) experiences when they seem to be of significance, including synchronicities, patterns in lessons I detect and many other things. By dropping the distinction I allowed myself to use the same tools for reading energy, patterns and symbols to work in my daily life, and this is where a good deal of the magic can happen, too.
Yes, that's indeed a very good idea. I am slowly beginning to do this, too. My "Johnny Smith epiphany" in particular, but many other experiences too (e.g. a whole bunch of precog dreams) led the way there. So far it's only things from 'waking life' in comparison to dreams or lucidventures, but now I am slowly beginning to even note things in physical reality that seem not directly be related to any experienced event or information obtained in/by other states of consciousness (at least not on my memory / waking consciousness level).

Sinera
28th October 2011, 12:18 PM
28/Oct/2011
The Light Switch

As I am on a dry period, this is just a dream-state experience again, but I need to put it in here as in a funny way it's heavily related to my most usual "exit mode".
This exit mode happens when I am phasing/jumping into "Portal 1" - which I regularly do, and I assume with ca. 50% of it in initial exit blindness (e.g. see Oct 8th and many before, alone or with "Ludmilla" aka "Gálaca" or other (one or two) helpers), still I know it to be "Portal 1" by 'mind-sensing'.

This one is a funny example that shows how in subconscious dream state I can counteract my own conscious intentions (affirmations, plans) which I define and decide on in wake/lucid state. Before going to bed one of my affirmation was to reach the portal and that the lights are always on - as a precaution against exit-blindness :cool:.

This is what happened: In dream state, I get 'awake' in bed in my "Portal 1" (just a reminder to non-subscribers of my log;): That's my childhood bedroom in my childhood home). I have this often in dream state and I would tend to call it a "False False Awakening" as I often do not get lucid at all and it is not an "RTZ"-OBE-Awakening (means: your present bedroom).

I see the lights are on and they disturb me as I am tired and want to go on sleeping. So I get up in order turn the lights off. The switch, however, is not where it usually is: It is in the middle of the room, dangling from a cable attached to the ceiling in mid-air. I take it and turn the knob. No reaction, it does not work, the lights stay on. I try again and again. No result.

Then I hear a voice from the corridor (door remains shut). It might be my mother talking to s.o. else: "Look, now he is cheating again."

My memory got lost what happens after that exactly. Maybe finally it worked and I switched off the lights and went 'back to sleep' again. :|

Comments / Afterthoughts

Really interesting: I tried a precautionary measure in conscious state, and it actually worked but then my sub-conscious mind sabotages it? And so we always have to fight our subconscious motives or mind in dreams when we try to get lucid?

Two more interesting things related to this "theme" is: the 'exhibited' and 'centralised' nature of the light switch and the voice of my mother.

Maybe the first aspect really indicates that it was the 'central' theme of the experience? But what or how to learn from it now?

As described above (FFE), often I 'wake up in dreams' in (a) bed and think that I am awake but am in entirely strange environments (e.g. I remember that once I even was in a park). Still, despite the strange enviroments and situations, you do not get lucid enough and your sole motive is to carry on with your sub-consicous 'programming' that you are in bed and just "need sleep".
This is hilariously funny if we think about it. It also reveals the inner struggle between the conscious and sub/un-conscious mind('s programming).

The voice of my mother could be the voice of my (higher?) conscious mind created symbolically in the situation given in order to remind me of my own 'cheating'. Actually, I cheat my"self". The cheat would then be the betrayal of myself and my conscious intentions by the indulgent yielding to the subconscious mind (that prefers all the time to get back living through and processing experiences in a deep unconscious sleep state).

So far, I am losing the battle against this "COUNTER-AGENDA SUBCONSCIOUS DRIVE" almost every night. But I have not given up hope that one day I might win one again.

Sinera
30th October 2011, 01:15 PM
Again! A dream in line with the development described above (being forced, often, as in this case, by an "Awakener", to get up from a 'dream bed'). After the dream I awoke in the PP and meditated for half an hour (to binaurals), tried to "speak to" my subcon (call it "Subbie my buddy" now) to coax it into granting me 10 minutes of lucidity every night. Then two exits and lucidventures followed, both can be subsumed under the heading "Helper Training / Build-Up?".

29/Oct/2011
Mattress Check (Dreamstate)

I get awakened in an appartment that I had as a student by my then landlord. He apologises and tells me that he just quickly needs to take the mattress to 'tag' it. I get up and then he uses a kind of pinch tool or tacker / stapler device to put a label on it on its bottom side.

29/Oct/2011
The Underground Plant (Lucid)

I get lucid in the state and just use the 'get-up-method' to rise from bed (no helpers involved this time, as planned and also been told in a dream to try things alone). First I seem to be stuck with my left foot or leg in my physical body. I drag it and then am completely free. I had no or only slight vibrations, I just got up from bed - how profane a method, huh?
It is dark, it could be RTZ and my PP room, but I am not sure. I look at my hands and ask for 'clarity now' or similar commands. I see then my hands but it is still hazy and dark.
I fly through a wall and am in a kind of (still dark) high silo, hovering in mid-air. I ask to be taken to a higher level and put (as usual) my arms above my head in superman-style. It does not work - as usual. I then fly through another wall and am in a kind of subway corridor. There is a more lighted area ahead and I walk into it. It is a greater underground factory.
I see three workers on machines. One, with a moustache who also appears to be the foreman, sees me and I decide to speak to him. I remember one of my purposes and ask if s.o. called for (my) help or needs my help. The forman (standing behind a kind of desk) answers which I unfortunately do not remember correctly, there are 2 versions possible - almost diametrically opposite in meaning: Either he says: " We get calls for help sometimes ourselves." or he says „We do calls for help sometimes ourselves". I then see my woolen thin cap lying on the muddy plant floor next to his desk. At the next instant he holds it and then hands it over to me again. Unfortunately, before I can get more clarification, I fade out with my usual REES (Re-Entry Electrical Sensations) before and after re-integration.

29/Oct/2011
Elderly Lady In Mountain Resort's Palace/Castle Hotel (Lucid)

I roll out again without vibrations. First some skepticism as to if I am really out or just got up with my physical body. Then I feel lighter and know I am out. It is dark again, a corridor again. This time, I speak the affirmations for my physical life several times (as planned before!) and am happy about having remembered to do so.
Then I try to fly up which seems to work this time but only to be in another dark corridor first. Then again I see a light area and walk (or fly) towards it. I enter a kind of restaurant or café. It looks like a resort on a mountain as I can see by a look out of the huge windows with a view to a beautiful valley. I decide to fly through a wall next to a window to get outside. I come to rest on a kind of balcony. The whole complex (where the restaurant was in) looks now like a castle or palace in the mountains to me. Beautiful view on a sunny day down into the wide valley with mountains surrounding half of it but there is also an opening to the sea with what looks like a sea port. There is a monument with a golden sculpture (could be a bird but it is too far away to make out). Then I see a really large animal (looks like a Mammoth but without tusks) walking along the coastline, still it looks peaceful.
Then a little shock (but not really as I do not feel fear - I am now almost beyond fear in dreams and projections as it seems!) as a piece of the balcony seems to break away and falls down along the steep and deep hillside. I can jump to another edge or balcony protusion. I first considered taking a flight above this beautiful landscape, but I decide to go now inside again as I remembered my "helper goal" again.
Inside I am in an elegant coffee table room and just ask "where can I help s.o. now?". I then hear a voice, female and a bit aged: "Sisteeeer!, Sisteeer!". (Note: as in English and many other languages, in German the title or adress "Sister" can signify a 'female nurse' or a even a nun).
I start to run into the direction where the voice comes from. I run through several elegantly furnished rooms with high ceilings and lots of space (it all looks like the rooms of a vast luxurious castle or a 5-star palace hotel in a vacation resort to me).
Then I reach the room where the caller is. It is a long table and an elderly woman is sitting at a table looking at me as I come in running and so stop before her. Then another funny scene: she gazes at me with a little scrutinizing air and says nothing but she seems to wait for me to open the conversation or act in some way (serve coffee maybe?). I then look down at me (due to here strange mustering of me) and pull up my loose trousers again up my hip. It is not that they were pulled down so that I would have stood before her in pants, just a little too loose around the waist. This is so in physical reality indeed, as there I usuall wear old black trackies at home (yeah, I like being a real slacker at home, who doesn't?).
Unfortunately, this lucidventure ends as the one before: Before I can ask the lady how to help her I fade out of the scene with REES again and wake up.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The first dream is promising as the throwing-out-of-bed by an "Awakener" happens often to me and I understand it to be a signal to my subconscious (Subbie!) that a lucidventure is ahead now. I do not get lucid immediately then, so it is just a kind of 'information sign'. The coaxing might work.
Were the workers somehow connected to the Human Contact Zone where I recently was? I cannot tell exactly as I did not get the sentence right and could not clarify. I need to prolong my lucidventures in order to lead better and longer conversations.
The old lady needed help for sure, but what kind of help? Was she calling for a nun, nurse or indeed a sibling? I would have liked to find out all of this. Same problem as mentioned above: Not enough "time". At least, it seems that in the second lucidventure I finally managed to get to a (literally!) higher and light-filled Astral level again.

poème
30th October 2011, 11:01 PM
I thought it was funny (in a good way) that you named your subconscious Subbie! ;)
Also, that mountain resort really sounded like a beautiful place...

Korpo
3rd November 2011, 03:00 PM
As described above (FFE), often I 'wake up in dreams' in (a) bed and think that I am awake but am in entirely strange environments (e.g. I remember that once I even was in a park). Still, despite the strange enviroments and situations, you do not get lucid enough and your sole motive is to carry on with your sub-consicous 'programming' that you are in bed and just "need sleep".
This is hilariously funny if we think about it. It also reveals the inner struggle between the conscious and sub/un-conscious mind('s programming).

The underlying assumption is quite simple, once verbalized: You assume that, when you're conscious, you're awake, and vice versa. If you become conscious during your dreaming - actually already a low level of lucidity along the "Leland Scale" - your assumption translates "conscious" to "awake", which is for your mind the same thing. Then you act upon the reality you experience - "I am awake when I should get my night's sleep" and proceed accordingly.

One way to transform this conditioning is for example to be more conscious about your use of words. As words and concepts define and limit the experience of the mind and also the mental body, every time you're thinking from the mental body level you're prone to these limiting effects. By making the conscious effort to get your terminology right you start a process of easing up the concepts in your mind as well.

One common thing people do is calling physical reality "waking reality." If you use terms like that you program your mind to equate "waking = physical" and this results in the mind going on auto-pilot whenever it perceives itself as awake but is no more lucid than that. It's better to call it "physical reality" as it does imply that it is one reality of many (and diminishes the mind's tendency to dismiss experiences in other planes but the physical as unreal) and that it is indeed not the only plane associated with the waking state - as one can be conscious in many realities.

While such effort by itself does not produce lucidity it can help eliminating limiting beliefs and maybe foster a greater frequency of experiences commonly considered as lucid. Also, by using concepts consciously you drag them from a perceived state of unconsciousness to where they are perceived as more pliable.

Oliver

Sinera
3rd November 2011, 11:37 PM
@poème:
well, just by means of analogy, maybe I should call my Higher Self (super-consciousness) "Supie" :-) ?
@Oliver:
thanks for the good point about waking vs. physical, makes a lot of sense, I will try to incorporate this language aspect into my thinking

Sinera
4th November 2011, 01:46 AM
03/Nov/2011
The Puncture (Vision For Humanity)

In the state, I get lucid several times or even kind of 'phase' into the scenery. I do so with heavy REES (Re-Entry Electrical Sensations), but no vibrations. There is also no exit remembered by me, it was always a 'fast switch' or teleporting into the scenery.

The first lucidventure only deserves a short mention. I was in a city asking people where I was. I could even phase back there a 2nd time shortly after I snapped back into my bed / physical body again. People there told me this place was called "Ceska Venec(i)a" (or similar). Well, 'ceska' means Czech (in Czech) and Venec(i)a could mean Venice. I found out that there is indeed a district in Prague (http://www.ckeduco.cz/en/excursions-and-trips/prague-guided-tours/the-little-venice-of-prague/) that is called "Venice Of Prague", but I do not recognise it from the pictures and have no other clues, which makes it all inconclusive to me.

Then another 'phasing' occurred and it is an amazing experience for me. I would even go so far and daringly call it a "Vision" for Humanity now. And believe me, I thought all day long about it at work and could hardly concentrate on my job. Here is what happened:

I phase into the scene from another experience or dream and find myself standing outside on a wide field. I'm standing on a little elevation and have a good overview of the landscape. It looks beautiful, like in a painting. The landscape is idyllic, pastures interspersed with bushes, some small lanes, gates and trees.

Almost even before the visuals set in, another guy next to me stated talking in an analytical but also a little sullen (or disappointed?) tone. I can only paraphrase what he was saying:

"Humanity still lags so much behind in its development. It has not even reached 60 points of its potential on a scale of 700-800."

I have not time to think a lot about his statement as I am again distracted by the scenery and scene unfolding.

I see a ray of light shining through the white clouds above in a light beam and forming a spotlight on the meadow below. It really haunts me since it is, unlike the rest of the scenery, not really natural. The circle of light formed on the ground is several metres in diameter.

I immediately decide to ask this 'wise' guy about the phenomenon as I consider him to know more about it. So I look at him the first time, asking „What is this?“ pointing at the light beam from the sky. The guy looks at me and answers:

"It is called 'The Puncture'."

Suddenly, I see more of these rays from above appearing in the landscape and then I even see people stepping into these circles of light.

There is no further conversation with anyone, but I later join one of these groups squatting down in one of the spots of light. All is shining bright, warm and peacefully. Then I look up to the sky and see the ray disappearing in an opening in the clouds. Then I spot a huge machine or even (alien?) spaceship flying out of / above the clouds. It does not look menacing in any way. Possibly it is the source of this 'emanation', maybe it even kind of "seeds" these light beams all over the landscape?

The experience ends then and I wake up (with REES again).

Comments / Afterthoughts

If it wasn't for this strange guy's words, I would have interpreted the scene quite differently. Probably something about healing or the human craving for a 'place in the sun'. But this guy - whom I do not really consider a guide, rather a knowing guy commenting on the scenery for me (or even my Higher Self?) - really gives my interpretation the decisive twist.

I first thought about how to translate the expression. After some consideration I decided indeed on the most literal alternative. The original German word used was indeed "Punktur", a word that as such does not really exist in common German usage at all. It gets clearer however (as in English) when we remember its use in Akupunktur (acupuncture). I know that 'puncture' (alone) means "flat tyre" in English, too, but we must bear in mind that we need to distinguish between the cause (puncture = stabbing, prick, insertion, trepan) and the effect (dysfunctional tyre).

So in this context "Punktur" / puncture for me generally signifies the setting (seeding?) of dots / points / patches / spots across a surface (here: landscape). Metaphorically, however, there is much more to it, especially with regard to the people entering the spots and the guy's words about Humanity.

My interpretation: It's indeed about the purported consciousness shift which is supposedly taking place now. The metaphor shown to me is that it takes place gradually, step by step (spot by spot?), rather than in a big (2012-)bang cataclysmic event or a few days of cosmic-spiritual radiation or whatever else.

It is 'seeded' (if with alien help from above or not remains highly debatable) not geographically as shown in the metaphor, but rather among groups of spiritually awakening people, networks that become real patchworks as they grow in size and gain momentum more and more. So the circles of light 'reflecting' these groups (symbolically) grow in number and size themselves until one day it reaches the 'critical mass' to make the 'shift' visible and palpable all over the landscape of Humanity/Earth.

Or let's directly use the acupuncture analogy: these light spots of people (spiritually activated) are like the acupuncture points on a body that get activated. It's done by the seeding (setting of the 'light beam needles' from above). Then, later the meridians get connected, even later the meridians themselves interconnect amongst eachother, so that the enlightenment-Chi can finally flow coherently through a matrix of the whole 'body' of Gaia/Humanity - and the shift is done. The Puncture = The Shift in action.

:party:

Another interpretation could be that there is rather a kind of mass ascension taking place among the 'ascencion-ready' people in the ("en")lighted spots, waiting to be lifted/"beamed" up (to the space ships?). Probably an analogy to this esoteric ascencion myth might be found in Christian bible fundamentalism's "Rapture"? However, this is not the way I understand it at all and I feel that it was not conveyed to me in this way. The people were eager to stay "grounded" (though spiritually lifted) and make the Earth change happen by stepping into the ever-growing light spots from 'the heavens'.
Personally, of course, I also liked this 'Vision' as I joined a circle of 'people in the light' myself. :angelic:

Whatever it meant, all in all, it was a truly amazing experience.

And beautiful.

Really, really beautiful.

Korpo
5th November 2011, 11:26 AM
Hello, Volgerle.

I have a bit of a different take on it, but I wouldn't think it lessens the experience in any way.

What is shown is "first contact" (hence the alien imagery) with the soul. The soul is in its fullness "alien" to people, as it resides on another plane of existence seemingly divorced from our frame of reality as incarnates and our concepts. The soul exists outside of time and space, but in relation to it. It stradles all your incarnations. That's why you see it above a layer of clouds - its plane of existence is mostly obscured from you.

Many people of a spiritual nature can rediscover their soul (represented here by several people joining the light). What essentially happens is that the part of our conditioning that prevents us from coming in touch with our soul is thrown of. You can see this as a puncture of what separates you from your soul. Now initial contact is established. Many people share this initial experience, and the ray of light indicates that this experience is the start of a larger enlightenment process as of yet mostly unknown (veiled by clouds).

The soul is often seen as huge, alien spacecraft in the sky. It is the larger dimension of our being that exists in the higher plane (sky), less limited than our physical experience (more dimensions of movement, flying), powerful and more capable (technologically more advanced). Displays of light and color and other unusual forms of communication may represent the soul's language of energy and symbolism. Fear elements appear when the belief system is not ready to take in the experience, but also more blissful and peaceful experiences like yours exist, which is a good sign, I'd say. It shows a fundamental compability in your belief system which might enable you to open up more in the future.

A caveat: I'm no believer in 2012, ascension or some other concepts you mentioned. I also see no direct trace of that in your experience either. To me your experience is more personal than that, but also archetypal, and that's why you see other people present, too, I think, to symbolize that you're not alone in this experience, even though the people experiencing similar things might be comparatively few (as compared to how many people there are on the planet right now).

Oliver

Sinera
5th November 2011, 01:08 PM
Thanks, Oliver, interesting take indeed and absolutely plausible, too. I was just hyothesizing myself about this with these two alternatives. Yes, I am not a 2012 believer, either, let alone of any kind of humanity 'ascension' - that is why although I mentioned it I discarded this hypothesis quickly, for me.

Viewing it on a personal (soul, higher self) level makes also sense, it can even be combined with the 'state-of-Humanity' statements of this strange guy (of whom I also stated the possibility of being an aspect of my"self"), as it takes place within a frame of more people 'awakening' and making 'connections' to their soul-spaceships ;). Btw, I didn't know that a spaceship in the sky can symbolise the soul which is an interesting concept and opens up new possibilties of interpretation for me, indeed (as I often see spaceships, orbs and different kinds of lights on skies in dreams).

So the little number of people - compared to the mass of mankind - can represent this minority (or does it represent myself in different incarnations?). Then the guy's first comment makes sense, although he wasn't talking about the percentage of people awakened but rather a "measure of Humanity's potential", but maybe it was also my "own" potential (not yet reached)?.
Thus 60 "units" out of 800 on the scale would be about only 8% reached so far, and yet a long way to go. I do not know why there was given such an odd measurement scale of 700-800, but that is how I remember his statement. What is a unit of 1 supposed to represent and how to measure it? "Coherence level"? "Frequency"? "Enlightenment level"? "Source-proximity"? :shrug:One can only speculate.

Korpo
5th November 2011, 10:47 PM
The numbers mentioned by the entity in the experience remind me of something I've read before, and I dug it up for you. It's in the book "The Holographic Universe" and is related to a researcher mapping the human energy field with the help of electromyograms (which actually means measuring the electrical activity of a muscle). The frequencies in the brain range from 0-100 with an average of 30, but the frequencies this researcher detected in the energy field vary greatly and seem to do so according to their focus of consciousness - materialists would stay within the range of up to 250 (which are frequencies still found in the body), psychics and healers range about 400-800, channelers operate within a band of 800-900 and mystics range at 900 and beyond. (see page 175pp.)

This is one of life's fun synchronicities. :D Without saying this is the frame of reference your helper chose, it shows it isn't entirely arbitrary either. I wonder how a researcher would assess who is healer, psychic and mystic, however. ;)

The soul-alien-spaceship connection I have from Kurt, but the details elude me right now. A similar reference appears in "The Multi-Dimensional Human":


When we start to use our inner senses, it’s easy to take what we perceive literally. We’re likely to confuse nonphysical realities for physical ones.

For example, UFO sightings may develop from a superimposition of inner sense and physical sense data. The result is belief in a physical space ship and aliens, when the actual vehicles and entities may originate in nonphysical reality.(Kurt Leland, "The Multidimensional Human")

When you say "does it represent myself in different incarnations?" I have to say I have wondered about this, too. Entirely possible. It could even mean the coming together of self-aspects, and in this the puncture would even become a de-fracturing of the personality. Without further information the "coming together" and the blissful/wellbeing aspect of it certainly indicates improvement, communion and other positive things associated with this ray of light.

The thing about any scale is that there is no scale that isn't arbitrary. Even though some scales in physics reference absolutes as their anchors (like the Kelvin scale and the absolute zero), the actual unit is absolutely arbitrary. Here you were given a comparison - assumption is that the potential of human development is about 800. And that implies there's a zero. So you can say that roughly - if the scale is linear - humanity on the average does not excel even less than 10% of what it could be in terms of human potential.

From your point of view I would take note that the entity has just made a general statement - the average of humanity and a potential, thereby outlining a scale. It hasn't put you into this frame of reference. Unless you think of yourself as the average human, lucidventures and all. ;)

Sinera
7th November 2011, 09:14 AM
The numbers mentioned by the entity in the experience remind me of something I've read before, and I dug it up for you. It's in the book "The Holographic Universe" and is related to a researcher mapping the human energy field with the help of electromyograms (which actually means measuring the electrical activity of a muscle). The frequencies in the brain range from 0-100 with an average of 30, but the frequencies this researcher detected in the energy field vary greatly and seem to do so according to their focus of consciousness - materialists would stay within the range of up to 250 (which are frequencies still found in the body), psychics and healers range about 400-800, channelers operate within a band of 800-900 and mystics range at 900 and beyond. (see page 175pp.)

Wow, a very intriguing parallel. Thanks a lot, Korpo for pointing this out to me. I will definitely do some more research on it soon.


When you say "does it represent myself in different incarnations?" I have to say I have wondered about this, too. Entirely possible. It could even mean the coming together of self-aspects, and in this the puncture would even become a de-fracturing of the personality. Without further information the "coming together" and the blissful/wellbeing aspect of it certainly indicates improvement, communion and other positive things associated with this ray of light.

... and the dark-gray clouds in the sky getting "punctuated" by the ray of light are the veil that separates us incarnated entities from our Higher Self / God Aspect. What a beautiful picture. :)

You know what this also reminds me of now? Of my dreams with "The Band". It is that string of dreams of my former band (early 90ies!) doing a "reunion". So maybe both The Puncture and The Band both are actually expressions of what you now wrote about as "de-fracturing" of the personality.
Maybe "The Band" represents metaphorically the (closest?) aspects of my Higher Self to me, and so it chose to appear to me as "the band". A band is also a wonderful metaphor for this, as they are a group who "harmonize" together literally by making music(al harmonies) in to reach a certain goal (which is to create harmony / make music in general - or to compose, arrange and play a song, in particular).

This would now give that string of dreams I have with "meeting the band" (or members of it) a complete new twist. ( It's not that I had not thought of this possibilty before that it might be my Higher Self and its aspects/personalities involved, but have not yet considered it too seriously. )

This sheds also new light especially on the announcement of a REUNION (!!) which was given to me by Thomas, the singer, in a dream I had in July (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11198-Programming-Experiment-1-Y-N-Question-(job-change-advice)&p=103981#post103981). I quote from there the most essential passage here:


In physical life, I haven't seen him for many many years. In the dream, unfortunately, I'm still infuriated from what happened before, and so I do not greet him with kindness, to say the least. What now follows is a really and literally memorable dialogue for me. I remember every word, the gestures, even the repetitions rendered here, too (maybe it was supposed to be this way):

Me [shouting]: "What do you want?!!"
[he just looks at me]
Me: "I asked you: what do you want?!!!"
Thomas: "Now you treat me again this way."
[I'm confused, not knowing what he means with 'again']
Me [calmed down]: "Ok. So now ... what do you want?"
Thomas: "We do a reunion."
Me [quite taken by this idea]: "Ah, okay... Nice."
Thomas: "Next October / November."
Me: "What?"
Thomas: "October / November."
[I just stare at him.]
Thomas: "Let's see what we can do. We are a group of people."
Me: "???"
Thomas: "We are a group of people. October / November."
[he turns and leaves without even saying good-bye]

The entire dream ends then.

And indeed, especially at the beginning of October I started to have dreams again about/with "The Band".

And it does not end there! Tonight I had another short dream with Thomas re-appearing once again. I will write on this here in another post. Although it is a non-lucid (dream) experience, it fits here, because by connecting the dots we may see that the (quote!) "group of people" reuniting here could really mean the "de-fracturing / reunion" (with the HS?) / "Punktur" taking place.

But wait ... I hope that "reunion with the HS" does not mean I am gonna die soon? :shock: http://th754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/Simon_Gardner/th_scratch.gif

Korpo
7th November 2011, 09:45 AM
Hello, Volgerle.

The reunion with your band I would interpret as being reunited with your support team on the other side. I often see them as co-workers (as we work on the same project), and you seem to see them as band members (guess you're "harmonizing" well). So, I wouldn't think of it as reunion with the higher self. It would still constitute a step forward in your personal spiritual evolution.

Also, union with the higher self is not death either. The aspects of ourselves commonly considered the lower self are the etheric, astral and mental bodies, those elementals primarily concerned with our existence within time, space and form. The higher self could be considered to be those aspects beyond time, space and form, starting with the causal body, but potentially also including the buddhic, nirvanic and monadic bodies.

When a stronger alignment with the higher self is attained, traits from the causal body may appear within the personality. While the higher self is beyond the personality it can become expressed through a personality within a lifetime. A new blend and balance is found between the expression of what is contained within the lower bodies (a particular personality) and the higher body becoming available, transforming the existing personality. This would also mean that the idea of higher self kind of "shifts upward" to yet another, even "higher" self. You could think of this as achieving yet another degree of enlightenment.

Within the context of the current experiences I would however assume that what is happening is that you're coming more under the guidance of your present higher self. The ray of light emanates from above, you even glimpse the higher self. There's a clear distinction between you and it as residing on different planes, and the connection is initiated from above. Note the similarity to depictions of "a moment of grace." This makes sense for example if you were exploring the possibilities of the mental body while becoming more inspired by the causal body.

Oliver

Sinera
7th November 2011, 12:30 PM
The reunion with your band I would interpret as being reunited with your support team on the other side. I often see them as co-workers (as we work on the same project), and you seem to see them as band members (guess you're "harmonizing" well). So, I wouldn't think of it as reunion with the higher self. It would still constitute a step forward in your personal spiritual evolution.
I see your point here and yes, this is absolutely possible too. I leave open both possibilities. To be helpers, guides, facilitators (or co-workers as you say) of some kind is even what I thought of them first, esp. about the guy appearing to me as Thomas, the singer.

You will remember, we had and have these and similar discussions in other threads all over the forum about guides and their basis, too. Some here consider (I think e.g. CFT and R.B. do so?) a guide to be completely an 'aspect' of their own higher self. Others see them as different entities - hence as personalities from different higher selves.

Actually, I admit, I don't know and I will remain on a fence here. For me it is 50:50. The same applies to other helpers I met so far and know by name or at least by appearance, such as Gálaca/Ludmilla, the Blue Monk (both mainly in lucid projections) or some of the personalities re-occurring in my dreams. Will I ever know for sure? I doubt that I will in my case have (time enough to develop) the ability to do so and be able to differentiate.

But maybe it is not that important (in my case) at all, not at the moment at least, since there is no difference if they come and act as helpers anyway, which they do in my case. Yesterday's dream withThomas again, which I will post here still today, is another interesting case in this regard, as one might here speculate further in view of the content that was being 'taught' and/or expressed towards me, if this has my "self" or another guide as its source. Confusingly, it may again speak in favour of one or the other hypothesis alike. I'm afraid that therefore some riddles might not be solved so soon.
:?

Sinera
7th November 2011, 12:47 PM
07/Nov/2011
The Message

I am with Thomas, the singer of "The Band", on a field. It is near a former home of mine where I lived as a student. In the dream before I also tried to find the way to there, but failed to do so.

He stands at a typical school's blackboard (out in the open!) and we discuss some (of his?) lyrics. (He's always been the lyrics writer, but it is reasonable that he asks me for advice on English). We also discuss to translate something. He writes some German lines on the board. One of them is the phrase: I love you.

I then explain to him that (after he insisted on sth which I thought was wrong) that translations are never quite literal but rather equivalent. I explain to him that translations should thus never be linear (I really said that in this connection ... speaking about non-linearity in a dream, wow) as there are no word-to-word / 1:1 equivalents. You can translate expressions / meanings differently in a different language and also use different grammatical constructs in each to express the same (co- and denotational) semantic content. (It gets clear by now that I really did some translations courses on university :cool:). I give him an example that e.g. one adverb in the source language might be expressed by a syntactical verbal construct in the target language (which is actually very common in Englisch, e.g. do sth permanently or repeatedly (adv.) = keep doing sth (verbal construct))

He nods and smiles but otherwise seems not too much impressed by my "lecturing" on the equivalence principle and the need of choosing alternatives in the art of translation. He then says sth about what he will do (for me?) but I do not remember what it was. He leaves in the direction of the house (former home) and I suddenly note that he's wearing a kind of funny glitter wig. It also looks a bit like tinsel and it is not only hanging from his head but maybe also shoulders. It's colour is purple.

This scene then ends but there is another scene and I do not remember it it was before, in-between (as a kind of flash popping up) or after this discussion scene. I see our band, this time especially the guitar player, performing a song of ours. It has a dominant nice guitar riff and a line where we sing "hu, hu" over it - a real hook altogether. And yes, we really had such a "hu-hu"-song in our repertoire.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The huge insight came immediately as I was analysing it in 'waking' state and now know better: No, what I "heard" then playing was not THAT song of ours. The song in the dream was another one! And not by us.

This song I heard about 2 days ago on the radio, that is maybe one reason why I it was played - but I assume not the only or decisvie for this 'choice'. When I heard it on the radio, I noted that I actually liked it. Admittedly I have never been a great fan of this band, altough I appreciate them for their funny and witty lyrics.

As one who likes word plays and double meanings I could hint out that this band, despite their current absolute mainstream appeal (and success!) in Germany and some other germanophone countries in Europe, is considered to be (or at least have its roots) as a Punk band. It certainly would go too far to say that this has to do with "Die Punktur" now. :mrgreen: Still, yet another funny coincidence, which I like.

The song (guitar riff) my band played was a song by "Die Aerzte" (=The Doctors in English). This song is one of their (rarer) more serious songs. It is from the year 2000 already although I just thought 2 days ago that it was a newer song of them as I didn't remember it from before.

The lyrics are important for the interpretation of the dream. This song is about a guy who wants to tell his girlfirend about his deep feelings for her but seems to fail to do so all the time. It's called "How To Do It" ("Wie Es Geht").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wie_es_geht

Here's (Korpo won't need it - but as special service to all English readers :wink:) even a translation on a lyrics website, which I now found on the internet:

http://lyricstranslate.com/en/wie-es-geht-how-it-goes.html

Here's the song (and the guitar riff!) itself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY8jplkaSq4

Now, what is so special? Well, the very core phrase of this tune, only sung once during the whole song!, is the same that Thomas wrote on the blackboard in the other scene!

Here the core paragraph:

"Please don't go yet. It would be best if you never went.
I have already said it so often in my imagination.
Stay here a bit longer. Please don't go yet.
What I'm trying to say to you is: I love you."
- Die Aerzte (Wie Es Geht, 2000)

So we have the message :loveyou: conveyed by two completely different means / scenes in one dream.
Now, Isn't this amazing!?

Now what does it mean? Well, two possibilties for me. Both are not mutually exclusive if we think about the basics of it. So actually both might indeed apply:

1) The message is to be taken literally as a message of the helper(s) or Higher Self to my "self" here. Also a kind of encouragement.

2) It is a gentle reminder not to forget that we all are here to develop / evolve towards LOVE in general. I (and I assume many of us here) certainly have still my shortcomings (and potential to be used) in this field, too.
For me, especially the double appearance of the notion of "expressing / translating / transferring" LOVE to other people in both scenes is intriguing: First, there's talk about how to translate it between languages / codes. Then in the second scene there is the song about this guy who does not know (and asks) how to express his love to his girl.

Well, whatever it means, I am once again amazed.

Korpo
9th November 2011, 12:52 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

This could also be about expressing something that cannot be captured in a verbal concept. No matter what language you chose, it inherently imposes the same kinds of limits on what is being said. You slightly missed the point when you got caught up in discussing language and concepts again. Then there was a demonstration of how something could be conveyed that cannot be wrapped in words. Music is a means to do so, and to drive the point home the song used was a song about someone not being able to find the words to express what he feels.

The words "I love you" you are just, in themselves, empty. They are just words, just as love is not a concept. The conceptual mind, enthralled with language and concepts, limits understanding by not going beyond the words and concepts to the actual felt experience. Music is shown as a readily available tool to have a direct, meaningful connection with a certain energy or experience without the thinking mind having to act as intermediary or limiting the experience.

Oliver

poème
10th November 2011, 01:31 AM
This song is about a guy who wants to tell his girlfirend about his deep feelings for her but seems to fail to do so all the time. It's called "How To Do It" ("Wie Es Geht").

This reminds me a lot of a dream I had not that long ago. I wrote about the whole dream in its context in my thematic journal (The missing ingredient). I wanted to express my love to a man on a wish card I wanted to make for him. I first managed to write `Happy Birthday`, which was not quite expressing love, well not the kind I wanted to express (:lol:), then I tried to start anew and to simply write something from the heart. But words wouldn’t come out. I did think of simply writing `I love you` but I couldn’t write this down either because I knew it wasn’t quite what I felt yet… Just like the man in the song from your dream, I couldn't express my love to my `lover`.

I had this dream not too long before the `inner reunion` of my personality’s male and female selves. So right now my guess would be that this is what you are working on at the moment. ;)

The missing ingredient for these two to become one was heartfelt love, beyond concepts, like Korpo said.

By the way, as I was reading your thread, I was reminded of this song called `The arrival and the reunion` by Dead Can Dance.You may or may not like this type of music, but I thought I would share since it felt so appropriate… It is a song which precisely remind me of the joyful preparation and longing before a special gathering…Perhaps you will enjoy meditating on this one, and calling from within this feeling of joy :-)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyG2Qxn9DEA

Sinera
10th November 2011, 10:18 PM
By the way, as I was reading your thread, I was reminded of this song called `The arrival and the reunion` by Dead Can Dance.You may or may not like this type of music, but I thought I would share since it felt so appropriate… It is a song which precisely remind me of the joyful preparation and longing before a special gathering…Perhaps you will enjoy meditating on this one, and calling from within this feeling of joy :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyG2Qxn9DEA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyG2Qxn9DEA)
I know DCD and have even a CD (wake - the best of DCD) of them, but this song is not on there, so thanks for the link, sounds good to me. http://www.smilies.our-local.co.uk/index_files/headphones3.gif
As regards your 'Reunion' of your female & male selves, maybe it is sth similar to my 'Puncture', just another way to experience and describe it metaphorically? Recently I dreamt to be a woman again and I already saw a woman several times (the same one!) in a 'dream mirror' a while ago. So this might a all be a hint for what Oliver called 'defragmenting' of the oversoul personality.

poème
10th November 2011, 11:23 PM
You are very welcome! :-)
I link the female self with the astral elemental and the male self with the mental elemental. To me, this reunion means the unification of one's personality (lower self). Once the personality is unified, it may then join with the higher self. (Eventually perhaps...?) So, as I see it, these selves symbolise more than being in a male or in a female body. To be honest, in my dreams back then, I usually played the female's part, and did not dream of being a man more than once or twice at the time, and I'm pretty sure that this one time I'm thinking of was a karmic dream. That said, you could be expressing this differently, or it could have to do with something else...

Sinera
17th November 2011, 09:17 AM
... the announcement of a REUNION (!!) which was given to me by Thomas, the singer, in a dream I had in July (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11198-Programming-Experiment-1-Y-N-Question-%28job-change-advice%29&p=103981#post103981). .... And indeed, especially at the beginning of October I started to have dreams again about/with "The Band". ... And it does not end there!
No, it seems it's just the beginning. Tonight I had two interconnected dreams (one with "the Band") that show the culmination of important life decisions which indeed take/took place in Oct/Nov. So the announcement really turned out right (albeit differently as first thought). Again, I put them here in the Lucidiary, as they are so important regarding the motif of the "Band" or the "Puncture".

Scene 1: I am driving the interstate / freeway ('autobahn') with a bicycle and try to catch up with some folks I know who drive (as normal) by car. One of these people is my current boss. I cannot catch up or reach my destination. I turn around and think about driving home with my bike.

Scene 2: I am on stage with the band (in a location where we once had a gig) but there is also additional musicians, a choir and an entire orchestra supporting us. I am amused of the additional musicians as they are very busy and a bit nervous about doing it all right. Then it occurs to me that this is only natural as the song is only familiar to me and my band. One musician (bass player of a friend band we had back then) runs around and spreads sheets of music. Everything looks professional and busy. There is even a conductor who makes funny summersault-like moves when conducting, which reminds me of the roll of the drumsticks I usually did between my fingers. We play a song of us (I hear it!) in a great orchestral and choir version, a song, btw, which dealt lyrically with escaping 'social roles' by enjoying the weekend's nightlife.

The background is: I quit my job now. However, there's still a long notice period left til next spring for re-orientation. I was offered a new job by the company as the old was cancelled, but I declined. I am convinced that this was planned and is thus supposed to be this way (I received more signs for this, but too much to write here). Change must sometimes be radical. So this is what is said in the first dream. The playing with the orchestra is the preparation of the new life for me. I also quit my current appartment and move to another appartment soon. This also was "forced" in some way, but I ackknowledge (in both cases) the "force" to be indeed the needed impetus for change. I completely accept it and even want it this way. Out of every old death comes then birth of the new. This is, I am convinced, what is taking place now. It is reality creation in the making with help of my HS. There is no doubt for me anymore.

Korpo
18th November 2011, 03:54 PM
Reminds me of the Blues Brothers... The band. The band? The band! ;)

Good luck! :D

Sinera
19th November 2011, 10:36 AM
Reminds me of the Blues Brothers... The band. The band? The band! ;) Good luck! :D
http://www.emofaces.com/en/smilies/b/blues-brothers-smilies.gif

outofbodydude
28th November 2011, 11:25 PM
So what's your take on the phenomena of projecting into different locations? I believe you have called them "portals." One too many times I have projected, only to find myself in one of my old houses, or in a seemingly unfamiliar place altogether. Sometimes my astral location is more accurate in terms of its likeness to the physical, though. So what do you make of this?

Sinera
30th November 2011, 12:11 PM
So what's your take on the phenomena of projecting into different locations? I believe you have called them "portals." One too many times I have projected, only to find myself in one of my old houses, or in a seemingly unfamiliar place altogether. Sometimes my astral location is more accurate in terms of its likeness to the physical, though. So what do you make of this?
I think we can create (consciously and/or subconsciously) our own save and private "places" in the non-physical. It is an access point and also a starting point from where you do further explorations. You can create any place you like and then "jump" / phase into it. It might be similar to what Xanth from the Astralpulse calls "Mental Rundown" technique (http://www3.sympatico.ca/xanth18/Phasing_Primer.pdf). So I do not think it is the "RTZ" (not even back in time) if you ask me.

As to my 'childhood bedroom portal' (also: Portal 1 / Home Portal): It is complicated, as many aspects seem to melt into it. It is best put in the resumé I did on March 15th after my "Agitated Mum" experience (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=97599#post97599).


'private' astral 'locations' can have a quite sophisticated structure: On the inside: dream access of other members who are sharing the same or parts of the same location (mother), entanglement with the physical place (mother/childhood bed location) as well as emotional entaglement (worries of mother); On the outside: the portals to leave (to the astral 'city') and re-enter (which I indeed did in another adventure!)

First, I did my exits there just subconsciously. Later I also tried to re-inforce it by visualising the place e.g. during meditations or affirmations for getting out-of-body. So I kind of 'solidified' it.

I am also there in dreams (steered by "subbie") a lot. I am convinced it is "the same place", the self-created portal in the Astral. Sometimes then (in dream-state) there are "people" that try to "wake me up" to get lucid in that portal. It does not always work as it is a constant fight against my "subbie", as this experience called "The Light Switch" has proved to me (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=104563#post104563). Nevertheless, I still consider it "private" as these people or helpers that helped me out there during lucid experiences seem to be either trusted 'intimates', friends or even my"self" (aspects).

Sinera
2nd December 2011, 10:03 PM
02/Dec/2011
Sleep Paralysis & Heart Chakra Visualisation

This was my second night when I took Galantamine/Choline before sleep. It has definitely an effect. You get lucid at least one time per night it seems. I tried it 2 times now, so I have - by now - a 100% success rate. However, the experience is different for me. I have an even greater problem with control then. I learnt that being lucid does by far not yet mean that you are 100% in control of the situation(s) arising. :?

My first night's attempt (about 3-4 days ago) was what I would call a 'rollercoaster ride'. There was a rapid succession of several scenes I phased into for about what felt a minute because I never could hold on to them for too long. And one time, after I decided it was enough, I even wanted to get back to body ("wake up") by counting down from 3 - but it did not work, so I was 'trapped' in the non-physical (not that I bothered too much, though, I never felt fear).
So there were many different scenes then, and also in-between the hands again drawing me upwards through the velvety dark (so many projectors talk about) as I asked a guide to be taken to higher levels.
One such 'high' level (literally!) was a nice one with me sitting at daylight in almost meditation style on a huge, white tree with wide branches, high above the ground, in a reality that consisted of a wide forest of kind of jungle. The branches were interconnected with other trees, thereby forming lanes. The whole thing might remind one of the Tree cities of some species in Hollywood fantasy or sciene-fiction movies, such as Star Wars' Ewoks or the blue people in Avatar. Along the trees' trunks and brunches was an intricate system of water irrigation, little water streamlets flowing down from the trees and along the branches, too. Sometimes the water was collected in little puddles on the branches' little dents. I remember I put my hand in one of the little puddles nearby and kind of baptized me with the water in a kind of ritual. Don't ask me why I did that. I was lucid the whole time, but my subbie was probably doing it. Maybe it was because it all (including myself) felt so 'holy' there.

The second night: Again, it was another "different" experience. For the first time I experienced sleep paralysis consciously while getting lucid (not "awake" necessarily). I now understand why SP is a "creepy" thing (as double entendre) for many people experiencing it, especially if it's involuntarily. It really 'crept' over me. Like a different entity taking possession of me, it started from the trunk and then went to the extremities' distal parts. No seriously, I really felt it 'creeping'. Then there was split-body effects again: the paralysis of the physical body while lying in bed, and also partially ability to 'move' what I assume was one of my energy bodies. Sometimes I even felt my limbs in this partially paralysed state, like those injections you get at the dentist and then it slowly wakes up again. As said, I was lying there and could not exit. Unlike many others who suffer from SP, however, I did not at any point see my physical bedroom. Rather, I was either phased into a scene playing out dream-like before me or had some 'hypnagogics'. Actually one time I overcame the paralysis and 'phased' into the night sky of a city and flew over it. But it took only a little while and I was 'back in bed' feeling paralysed again.

Then I did one surprising thing (to myself!) which brought about the following experience. I was not really scared, it seems I am beyond fear now. Nevertheless, I felt of course 'not comfortable' in this situation and I did not want to feel like a potential victim, so maybe I did this as a kind of precautionary defence (or as a kind of 'whistling-in-the-dark') measure: I started SINGING. :redface:

It was a harmless self made-up tune, sung with my "inner" voice, not with my physical mouth or vocal chords (of this I am sure). And I just sang it in "La-La-la". Sometimes I added instruments to it. Sometimes I just sang again. I remembed the tune after waking up, but did not later. But I can say that it wasn't exactly quite like a masterpiece after all, so never mind ;).

Exactly from the moment I started singing, something 'opened' in my visual field. And it looked like a galaxy of green pixels with its core in the middle dark and bright and thinning out and darkening to the edges. It might also have had a spin. IIRC it was from left to right - clockwise. Everything was green and at the core almost glowing in a shiny intense white, but still green-ish.

It lasted as long as I was singing. Maybe I got bored and was a bit fed up with being paralised and not being able to really get started with an exit and lucidventure. So I aborted it by saying to myself 'this is stupid' which indeed woke me up as I could then also roll my physical body again on the back and opened my physical eyes.

I took one of the many pics on the internet of rotating galaxies and edited it a bit on a graphics program. This one I came up with as the closest thing resembling what I saw all the time (and could have seen longer if I had wanted to). Just imagine it rotating clockwise and partially at times being a bit more pixellated.

http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-19-f717.jpg

Comments / Afterthoughts

Not when I had this experience, but soon after I 'woke up' I felt reminded of the Heart Chakra pictures. This is, of course, only an assumption.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTCMiyebko72n0E0vtXcuSGGJDQT81zu QpSrQaIYfDgf7nUMxmONQ

If it was, what was its cause? My self-protection purpose? The singing? The syllable "la"?

Maybe the Heart chakra relates most to music and the arts and that's why it 'came on'?

Maybe it is even more specific. I found on the internet that the chakras can be related to the 7 main notes on the musical (Western!) scale: CDEFGAB.

http://www.soundessence.net/chakras.php#Heart

The fourth (middle) sound is F and it relates to the fourth (middle) chakra. So maybe, just maybe, it is because I probably (without knowing, of course, since I have no musical ear) sang it in the key 'F'. Had I sung it in key 'E' I would have seen a yellow galaxy spinning round in my eyes?
:cool::wacky1:

I also tried to find about about any kind of "la"-Mantra, but so far did not find to much information.
http://www.samaelgnosis.us/practice/more_practices/la_ra.html
http://dream-yoga.org/dream-yoga-techniques/the-mantra-la-ra

If s.o. here reads this who knows more if not a lot about chakras and seeing them as spinning wheels or galaxies in the non-physical and what it all could mean, I'd be grateful for any comments.

@Korpo: I know that Kurt knows a lot about the chakras and is also into music & spirituality as one of his books shows me. I do not have it but it seems from the contents (http://www.kurtleland.com/my-books/music-and-the-soul/91-music-and-the-soul-contents) that he also makes connections to the chakras ("expression"??). Your interesting comments in the Tool thread prove to me that you surlely have read it. I remember you told us you were in contact with him and could you ask him about it? I don't think he is still on this board. I would appreciate his knowledge as to my experience here. Of course, I am also looking forward with anticipation to your own take on it.
:-)

poème
7th December 2011, 05:35 AM
Not when I had this experience, but soon after I 'woke up' I felt reminded of the Heart Chakra pictures.

This was also my first thought when I read about this experience ;)
I am not sure if activating the heart chakra may be a protective mean… But it may be that you are currently working on balancing this chakra, and that you intuitively knew how to `bring it forward` and tune it up by using the F key connected with it.


Maybe the Heart chakra relates most to music and the arts and that's why it 'came on'?

I believe the whole body - all the chakras - and perhaps even all the energy bodies linked with each of them, respond to music (and art), but they respond to different musical stimulis, such as different types of songs, musical instruments and notes(accordingly to the different vibrations they `produce`).

I googled the topic a little and found interesting information here (http://chakrasenergie.net/3.html) . The page is in French but it basically mentions the following correspondances :
From the first chakra (root) to the seventh (crown) …
Lower pitched and `heavier` sounds to higher pitched and `lightier` sounds
Faster and more rythmed music to slower and more meditative music
From percussions (root) to bells and aerial sounds -singing bowls? (brow and crown)

As for the fourth chakra, it would respond well to guitar, cello and violin (warm and balanced medium pitched sounds), and to the F key as you mentionned in your post…

That said, I am not Kurt Leland and have been working with music more intuitively than really consciously, so maybe someone else could add more on the topic…;)

By the way, I really love the metaphor of the holy forest with interconnected trees… As if each tree was a distinct consciousness and all of these distinct consciousnesses were linked with one another in a network pictured as the forest. And your `holy water` irrigation system reminds me of the Source … It’s a beautiful analogy...

Sinera
16th December 2011, 03:43 PM
16/Dec/2011
Card Validation Test 1: Missed But Close!

This was/is an ongoing side project which was actually intended as a dream (programming) project. Anyway, it got mixed up with lucidventures, too. Some months ago, I had placed a card from a common skat deck face up on the high top of a wardrobe in my room. I intended to 'dream up' the face of the card. In 2009, I also had tried to do card validations by projections but it mostly failed due to fluctuating cards.

Now, a little later after resuming the tests and placing a card, on 22 September of this year, I had a dream where I was playing cards with a friend of mine and the card being played out was as I remember it a King Of Spades. I already had the "intuition" before this dream that the card 'must be' a kind of person card (Queen, Jack or King). I did not yet make the check because I wanted to have more data accumulating.

On another projection a few days ago, I remembered the wardrobe and went to it. Before that I saw a Mickey Mouse figure (pretty large one!) in my room - but I have none in my physical room. I saw a lot of stuff on the wardrobe during this projection but did not detect a card.

Tonight, I was a bit more lucid in my dream, although only partially (probably with what I call Purpose-Focussed Lucidity = though in dream state, the subconscious can have a partial awareness of the waking consciousness' goals and acts according to them), when I was in my room and so I flew to the wardrobe again (flying shows to me that it was not a false awakening). I saw a card but not on the place where it should be lying, it rather was standing upright being leant against the wall: It was the King Of Spades again.

After getting up, I knew I had this a second time now and so I finally checked in the physical: I missed it, it was the Jack Of Spades.

Comments / Afterthoughts

It's a near-miss shot if you ask me. I can, of course, not call this a success in validation. Still, the King Of Spades for the Jack Of Spades intrigues me. They have the same colour (Spades) and both feature a male person. They are to each other indeed the nearest possible cards in likeness. Compare:
http://www.skatkurs.de/tpl/karten/pik_bube.png http://www.skatkurs.de/tpl/karten/pik_koenig.png

Maybe the leaning to the wall "next to" the place where the actual card should have been lying was an indication of its "(only) immediate nearness"? I admit this is mere conjecture.

(Even more conjecture now: Micky Mouse's head with the black round oversized ears might resemble the Spades of a card when turned around, too? However, I also have other interpretations for Mickey as he comes up in a lot of dreams and projections for me. Dreammoods (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=micky+mouse) gives me this: "To see Mickey Mouse in your dream signifies the magic and joy of childhood. It is time to go back to a period where you can be more carefree." As my momentary situation is not really careFREE, it almost makes sense.)

Anyway, I will keep up with the card tests, doing them once in a while, as this seems promising to me.

Beekeeper
18th December 2011, 08:56 AM
Maybe the jack grew older since September? :lol: You did well in my opinion.

Sinera
20th December 2011, 02:53 PM
20/Dec/2011
The Exit Blindness Healing Hand / Left Temple Vision Activation

Just a short one concentrating on one element I (might have) learnt, as most of yesterday's lucidventure was too inconclusive for me. I got out with helper's hands holding me on each side, this time I felt not only one hand but being grabbed at my arms with two hands on each side. So there were at least 2 helpers. I had exit blindness which I have often. I tried a lot with affirmations, but nothing worked.

Then a hand (by a third helper?) was pressed slightly what felt like with 2-3 fingers against my left temple (front side). Then, finally, there was a light spot in the middle and it expanded to the edges, so my vision came on. I saw the lighted room of what is my 'Portal 1'. Then flew (still with helpers holding me) out of the window for other experiences.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I need to check on future 'blind exits' if this is a technique I was 'taught' this way and if it then indeed works for me if I put 'my own (astral) hand' on my (left) front side.

Question: Does the left temple have any special mystic / energetic / chakra function? Is it possible to activate astral sight / the pineal gland by working on it?

Sinera
23rd January 2012, 12:48 PM
17+18/Jan/2012 - Heal One. Heal The World.

17/Jan/2012
Green Eyes And Six Fingers

A longer lucidventure actually, of which I've only taken out the essential aspects. But most of it I was flying around trying things that did not work, as usual.

At one moment, I was in a bathroom and looked into the mirror, since I was searching a mirror before as this is my past life viewing method (so far not pretty successful though). I saw a younger image of myself with green light shining out of the eyes. There was also the same green light shining in a form of a circle with some concentric rings from the middle of my breast. The concentric rings might also have represented the Q-Link pendant (or another one in donut form of which I possess quite a few now).

I also met (outside in the garden) the bald-headed guy again whom I knew from another lucidventure which had to do with people from a more 'evolved cycle (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=99056#post99056)'. While talking to him and trying to decipher a name badge on his shirt, which was difficult as letters were getting jumbled all the time, but what I saw was definitely the letters: E,K,L and B. I shuffled them all the time and then came up with "Elke" which is a German female first name and said to him (as he was recognisably a male) 'I'm sorry, I will stop joking around with that name badge now.' Then I looked at my hands, which I use as a deepening method sometimes (see my posts on the discovery), and saw six fingers. I counted, re-counted and re-re-counted. There was none of the usual fluctuation. It remained six on each hand every time!

18/Jan/2012
Healer In Oxford

On this night, I had several exits with slight vibrations each time. Some were also false awakenings. Often I had exit blindness.

Once I was in the portal but not sure if I am in the physical and so went instead inside to check. Then I became sure and went out of another window then taking with me a shining red tulip. I was flying over the city and trying to find a beautiful woman to give the tulip to. I saw a pedestrian zone but I might not have found a girl and found myself instead in the astral bed again with another round of vibrations and exit into blindness.

Blind, I tried several commands where to get to (e.g. Higher Self, library, past life) but nothing worked. Then it occurred to me to say "healing". Suddenly I was in my old students' hall room in Oxford / England. I passed a term abroad there in the mid-90ies. A fellow student enters the room and asks me if I can give him a massage as he has pain at the back (upper neck area). I immediately say 'of course' (forgetting about this being a projection, it was more of a false awakening or dream state again). I give him a massage of his back saying that I am not really a pro massager and I try to do my best. He says it's okay the way I'm doing it and thanks me. After normal massage, I do some final karate chops on his back and then wake up (in physical bed) with the "motto" that came to me just out of nowhere: "Heal One. Heal The World".

Comments / Afterthoughts

First I interpreted the green eyes and rings on the breast as an advice to activate my Heart Chakra for overcoming exit blindness. While this might still be a valuable method to try there might be more to it: Healing. Also I suspect that my vision of the Heart Chakra (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13235-Heart-Chakra-quot-spiral-galaxy-quot-in-mind-s-eye-trance) several weeks ago might have to do with developing healing capacity. So now I saw it in the Astral on myself again, but a smaller version. The Q-Link form or association might mean two things: It can also mean healing (as it is for health protection mainly) but also for frequency and vibration (adjustment?). Maybe it is both.

The baldy guy might be an aspect or future self of mine (he resembles me a bit, I also have 'short' haircut). Maybe he is showing me the evolutionary path I can take again since I had (in his presence) six fingers instead of five. A similar notion was given to me by his comment (see link) as to my lesser evolved status for the time being (belonging to the "first cycle").

By the way, the then "soon-to-be killed male country leader" announced to me back then in June 2011 could have been Col. Gaddafi, who was indeed more or less 'executed' by that wild rebel group in October 2011. However, his name is not really Spanish. The name given to me on the paper was something with M at the beginning of the word, also with the darker vowels (a,o,u,) dominant, sth like Maria, Mario or Martinez, and it was probably a first name. Hence Gaddafi whose long name is "Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar Gaddafi" (which of course I did not know then and only looked up now) might be at least a little close to it? The head I saw in a short flash then (not mentioned in the post) was also a dark-haired male person with a wider face. Anyway, nothing proven, it all remains inconclusive.

As regards the scene about the search for the lady of my "heart", I like the tulip interpretation from Dream Moods (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=tulip): "To see tulips in your dream indicate fresh new beginnings. You are loving life! Tulips are also symbolic of faith, charity, hope, perfection, idealistic love and fertility. Consider the pun "two lips". Perhaps it is hinting to a kiss?"
:kiss:

The Oxford episode is sth very special again. For many many years now, maybe 10 or more, I have a recurring dream motif that is always similar: I am in Oxford again, not back in time as student again, but later as a tourist. Anyway, I always logde again in my old room in that student hall. Often I do sightseeing then and watch the places again I remembered from before. However, I always try to get to the city center but somehow never manage to and "must" stay on the outskirts (where the hall is also located). It really is a recurring theme. One time (last October according to my journal) I also had a healing dream there but I was the patient then when a doctor came to heal me because a bug in my bed had stung me in the hand. But I had many similar dreams in variation of the same Oxford return motif.

My interpretation is that the motif might stand for a craving to 'get somewhere I had already been to'. I manage to get to or near it but not entirely to the core (here: city centre). I interpreted it myself to be an expression of the craving to "go home" to the spirit world, but I cannot be sure about this. So it's been now used in the context of healing, and like the 'green' dream above it seems to give me some nudges in the direction of becoming a(n astral?) healer, with the learning aspect also underlined by the university / student dorm motif?

I suppose the scene was just a 'simulation' created for me by my HS or any helpers. It might be a help for me (taking C. Tart's notion of 'state-specific memory' into account) to more often recall this set 'task' and try it out in the astral (regarding healing of others and self-healing). A problem for me with lucidity is that despite being partially lucid I often have to struggle remembering my primary goals, which are only a few - and still I forget them. But I am working on it (also in the physical by affirmation and visualisation) to 'burn' it into my 'astral' or 'mental' memory, too. It seems to work. Slowly, but it works.

Last not least, the 'motto' that came to me immediately after waking up, is probably a variant of that "save the cheerleader, save the world" slogan featured in the fantasy show "Heroes", which I watched a few times but actually never really liked. However, all the more I like my slogan and I might even make it the catch phrase of my (future) healing practice, should I ever have one:

HEAL ONE. HEAL THE WORLD.
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTPcsszQY_CCpslR99GzWFdk3FuC8BNS 7thc0DZuErqxf55rxqf

Sinera
29th January 2012, 04:51 PM
28/Jan/2012
Ronald - 1. Retrieval

I had the intention only to meditate in my 'astral portal' which is the upstairs childhood room in the home of my childhood. This lucidventure has two parts, both starting by a "controlled false awakening roll-out exit into a portal" which is somehow my standard method now.

PART 1 - The Retrieval:

When the chance came, I rolled out of bed and noticed I was in my lower childhood room then (I had moved as a child to and fro between these two rooms.). Almost in passing only, I noted a guy squatting and leaning against the wall, looking at me (expectantly or interested), but I ignored him as I do often with persons when I am too 'focussed on target'. However, I knew that he was a guy who was in the same school and neighbourhood as me when I was a child. I think I never knew his name, so let's call him Mr. X.

Anyway, I flew through the window and was standing in the garden on a sunny day. I asked to see a guide, but none appeared. Then I rememberd „retrieval“, so I closed my (astral) eyes to cause a blackout and in order to teleport to a scene where I can retrieve / help s.o. Funnily, I even counted down from 3 to zero. I 'opened' the eyes again. The scene was unchanged, still the garden on a sunny day. But one thing was changed:

Ronald (not real name) was standing there ca. 5 metres away from me on the lawn, a thinner version compared to the appearance I know, looking and maybe (iirc) even smiling at me.

Info: Ronald is a childhood/teenager buddy I had for a while in a kind of 'gang' of other buddies. Another one of them, by the way, was Johnny Smith (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=99997#post99997) (not real name). As with John, I hadn't seem him for over 15-20 years. Since I am (so far only per e-mail) in touch with John he told me about him.
Ronald, now as then, always lived in precarious circumstances, being a society outsider, obese, poor, living on social welfare and by occasional jobs. Today, so John told me, he lives on a private construction site in a construction trailer that was given mercifully to him by John's brother who owns the site, so he's (still) an (almost) derelict. John also told me recently that he lost weight (hence I saw a thinner version?) due to serious chronic illness(es), which I did not ask then more about.

His appearance on the lawn lasted only for about a moment as I immediately said "Okay", assuming that he is the one who needs help somehow. Then, instantly, the scene indeed changed and I was teleported into a familiar city centre street of my childhood hometown. Ronald was still there on the same sidewalk as me, and again about 5 metres off. This time, though, he looked different and more familiar to me: He was thicker now, but also looked sick, confused and even delirious. We saw and walked towards each other. I asked him what's wrong with him. He told me (in a babbling and uncontrolled way) that s.o. or sth disturbed him so much. He seemed sweaty and had glassy eyes, looked disturbed, distracted and delirious.

Remembering the known 'pattern of retrieval' and also knowing I might not have a lot of time before fading out again, I looked around immediately while I told him that I would show him s.o. who could help him really well. I held him at one of his arms (so he wouldn't fall over or run away) and started looking around at the people walking by.

I said to him that „the helper must be near-by“. Then I ask one guy passing us by directly: „It's you, right?“ The answer comes not directly, as he does not talk to me at all, but just by his action. The man joins us.

And here's the sensation: It's the guy that was squatting and leaning against the wall in my portal before. It's Mr X. !!! And yes, I remembered that he might also have been a friend or at least an acquaintance of Ronald back then in our childhood days!

So then we three were standing there. Mr X, was then holding on to Ronald by putting one arm around him and looking at him in a very reassuring, caring, even loving way (PUL?). This is remarkable and I believe that the memory of this moment and his treatment of poor Ronald might stick with me for good.

Mr X. then took Ronald with him as they walk up the street, I (following the retrieval pattern) let them go. Before that I again had patted Ronald a last time on the arm saying sth along the lines that he'll be fine, taken care of and should not worry. So I watched them walk off on that sidewalk of that familiar city center street (in the direction which is slightly uphill, btw.).

PART 2 - Thwarted Meditation:

I found myself in bed again, got up, looked around and noted that it was the lower portal still/again and a conscious false awakening. This time I was alone in the room. I had difficulties as I seemed to be held by a magnetic force tugging at my back drawing me back to bed (silver cord - attached at 3rd chakra from behind?). I fought myself free from it with force. The next obstacle was the curtains when I tried to fly through the window again. I got caught and entangled in them, but this was also overcome after a few seconds.

So then I was outside again in the garden in broad daylight. Then two little children, boy and girl, aged 4-6, are running past me, one shouts sth about chocolate and holds a huge bowel with chocolates in them, or one to be filled with chocolates in anticipation. I shouted after them to take care and not do sth foolish but otherwise again concentrate on 'my matters' and off they were again. I seemed to have lost some lucidity by now since it all got a bit more dream-like.

The next goal (and my original, see above) on my list was to meditate in my upstairs portal in order to stabilise it and so I tried to phase there, eyes closed counting down again - but to no avail. I tried to make the best of the inability to phase to the upper portal and settled for the garden lawn instead. I wanted to meditate there by sitting down, being calm and focussing on the garden. However, there was no place to sit down as suddenly the lawn was too steep and everywhere there was uneven ground, pits, pikes and weeds. It is just not comfortable enough to squat down in meditation pose (which I can only do in the astral anyway).

I then saw a green hill with trees on it next to our house that is not there in the physical, it reached up to the 2nd floor where the upper portal's window is. I also saw a police task force or military combat group roaming the area (garden). But it was somehow not threatening and I wasn't afraid or worried. Slowly I also got the feeling that I was losing time and more lucidity now, looked at my hands to stabilise myself again (counting 5 fingers indeed!) but it did not work and I faded out, making me wake up this time in the physical.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Wow!!! The first part is one of the best and most thought-provoking lucadventures so far. I had some 'dream retrieval (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11753-Programming-Experiment-3-Retrieval-Lessons)' experiences before and I recently noted that one of my animal dreams (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13362-Animals) might also reflect the 'pattern': little animals fleeing in distress from a big animal herd - searching shelter with me - me petting and reassuring them - me leading them out again when the danger has gone - me handing them over to a 'professional' caretaker.

However, in this case I do not (yet) think (neither do I hope!) that Ronald is really deceased. I will not check on this for ethical reasons, but John would tell me soon in his next e-mail if this 'really' had happened by now or recently. I will update here if this really should have happened, which then, of course would be a striking validation. But I don't need this! It being 'something different' does not take away anything from it for me. It was a wonderful experience nonetheless. And Ronald is definitely a person in need of help in any case.

So either it was a full-blown training simulation created for me or it was something in-between a training session and a 'real' helping situation, but maybe a bit different from what I experienced or remember. Of course, I can only speculate on this.

No doubt: Ronald is chronically ill. I think I also read about aspect retrievals of comatose and/or delirious patients. Isn't this also an element of shamanic healing practice? So possibly it was even a kind of healing 'in retrieval disguise', and this would make sense since I am also 'into healing' now.

Another possibility is that it was indeed was a retrieval of Ronald, but since time is sth different in the astral it might be a future related event (when he 'will have died'). Of course, this is a daring fringe theory now.

Another element also speaks against an all-out simulation for me. The moment when the helper looked at him with so much love is sth that cannot be 'just a fake'. It felt 'so real', this wasn't just a game scenario played out for me!

I am also still amazed about the helper's (Mr X) appearance in my portal first. I recognised him but would never have associated him with Ronald. This was a kind of announcement or sign for me of sth 'being staged or planned' before, but of course I could not 'read' this then but only in hindsight now. Moreover, I could never consciously have made this guy, Mr X., up from my memories. He was connected to Ronald, but in no way to me. It appears to have been a carefully operation planned in advance. I also remember my strange trip to the "Human Contact Zone (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=102538#post102538)" where these operations were planned and executed from, at least so I was told then. I did not manage to get back to there as yet.

Ronald's emaciated body shape is an information given to my by John. However, his current sick state was only shown to me in his appearance by which I knew him as a teenager. So this does not necessarily correlate with physical reality as "of now". Anyway, I also believe that since the thinner Ronald smiled at me, this might have been an image of him or a higher aspect of his soul, maybe already thanking me "in advance" for my help? It somehow feels this way for me. But who knows?

As regards Part 2, I have a loose interpretation of all the dreamy elements that popped up, but it even makes sense:
Maybe this was not the place and time to try a meditation. I already had a success with that retrieval (simulation or whatever) and I should have tried to just do sth different, even if only 'out of fun' (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/the_reason_i_want_to_astral_project_is_just_for_my _own_personal_pleasure-t36166.0.html;msg298941#msg298941)? Therefore, maybe the little children were aspects of myself reminding me of this. Maybe the 'chocolates' also were meant to represent a kind of 'reward' for my retrieval success? The weedy garden not for sitting down on the ground and the soldiers roaming it may symbolise this to be a kind of 'astral combat zone', a place where the action takes place, but not for rest or even meditation. The green hill leading up to the 2nd floor to the window of my upstairs portal might indicate an elevated level I could/should have gotten to, either to meditate on the hill directly or to use it to enter my 2nd portal via the window?
Maybe, in general terms, the "up"stairs portal is meant to be for 'higher level' purpose (meditating, accessing Akasha, meeting the Higher Self, Angels, etc.) while exits from the "down"stairs (lower) portal mean some more basic 'astral' operations? This speculation makes also sense in view of other lucidventures I had when comparing these two childhood house portals.

Howsoever, this experience ranks now high in my top list. Together with the (mental plane?) Library visit and the validated Johnny Smith telepathy experience it is even among the top-3 highlights.

poème
30th January 2012, 10:44 PM
Hi Volgerle,
That was an interesting adventure, indeed! :)
As I was reading, I thought of another theory on the topic. It’s pure speculation of course, but here goes:

I think one may also retrieve and/or heal aspects of the lower self : the male and female within (mental and astral elementals), the child within, the shadow self, etc. Fragments of one’s soul (all the personalities a soul gave, is giving, or will give birth to) may also need to be retrieved and/ or healed.

So regarding your retrieval experience, there is a possibility that you retrieved an aspect of your self, or even a `fragment` of your soul, that needed healing. Ronald was a close childhood/teenagehood friend of yours, which suggests a close bond with you, perhaps a bond of familiarity such as one you could have with other self aspects or other `fragments` of your own soul. Therefore, you may have chosen to picture as your friend a self aspect or soul aspect close to you in need of healing and guidance.

However, it may also have been really him, even if he is still alive… I think retrieval or healing of personalities focused in the physical (alive) can occur yes ;)

When it comes to healing, I believe some counsciousnesses may also come to us in the non-physical to make some kind of arrangement on an event or meeting that will later take place in the physical in which we will have the opportunity to heal a part of them and/or be healed by them. Again, the appearance given may only be chosen because the characteristics we attach to a person known in the physical stick well with our perception of the counsciousness met in the non-physical, who may be unknown to the conscious mind.

Well, whatever is the answer to your experience, all these theories are very interesting to explore!

Sinera
31st January 2012, 01:30 PM
When it comes to healing, I believe some counsciousnesses may also come to us in the non-physical to make some kind of arrangement on an event or meeting that will later take place in the physical in which we will have the opportunity to heal a part of them and/or be healed by them. Again, the appearance given may only be chosen because the characteristics we attach to a person known in the physical stick well with our perception of the counsciousness met in the non-physical, who may be unknown to the conscious mind.
Thanks for the interesting ideas. And yes, it really leaves a lot room for interesting and valid interpretations, anything is possible indeed. Your second interpretation quoted here appeals to me because there is something that makes also sense about it - but only if we assume if the person was really also Ronald: I had already pictured / visualised myself as a healer in the physical, which I am in training to become. (It's what we also do in terms of LoA / Reality Creation, creating with our mind our desired 'future self' in order to set course for it.). Moreover, when I heard of Ronald's sick state, I visualised myself in a healing or at least health advising situation for him. I really would have done it for him, without charge of course, .. or would still do, assuming he's alive still.

Incidentally, this however, has another more 'scaring' parallel, which I try to take with a kind of cynical humour: I did this kind of visualisation also before with another school buddy. This guy had also struggles with chronic illness, esp. multiple sclerosis. I would have wanted to help him, too. He also had a pack of other problems, so his life wasn't easy at all (like Ronald's). Last October, I learnt from a friend of mine, that he committed suicide a day before, hanging himself in his own attic. So maybe it isn't the best idea for me to visualise a healing with a known sick person because they tend to die? No promising prospects for my healing career if the same happened now for Ronald, too. :(

Btw, after that, I met the man a few times in dreams. In one of them we were at a party. He wore a flamboyantly red suit. I went to him and told him how shocked we all were and asked him how he is now (it was indeed a semi-lucid experience). He told me, literally: "I am married here now." Indeed he seemed not to have come alone to the party, he also looked happy and relaxed. I took this as a metaphoric message telling me he's being taken care of and not alone ("married") anymore.

poème
3rd February 2012, 02:21 AM
I really don’t think you should hold yourself responsible for this person’s death. Surely, there is a limit to how much we can reach out to others, especially if the bond linking us to a person is not especially strong and if we try to send this person energy without his or her knowing (and conscent). I believe everyone has a more or less balanced psychic shield, build after the nature of one’s thoughts, acting as a magnet drawing in or keeping away such influences. If there is a lot of negativity, then negative influences will have more voices, and positive ones can even be kept out. That said, a person can be helped and healed if he or she agrees to clear a part of this negativity and opens to the healer, but even then, the influence is only partial.



Btw, after that, I met the man a few times in dreams. In one of them we were at a party. He wore a flamboyantly red suit. I went to him and told him how shocked we all were and asked him how he is now (it was indeed a semi-lucid experience). He told me, literally: "I am married here now." Indeed he seemed not to have come alone to the party, he also looked happy and relaxed. I took this as a metaphoric message telling me he's being taken care of and not alone ("married") anymore.

This sounds like a very positive outcome indeed!

…I’m intrigued by what he said, that he is married here now…? As for the marriage metaphor, it could also have to do with being one, being whole again, joining together with a once missing part… I can’t put it into words, but it makes sense to me at the moment, since your adventure looks like a retrieval… Perhaps you helped him retrieve this missing part, so he is whole again now… Or then, maybe you helped him join again this whole he had been away from :)

Sinera
3rd February 2012, 01:19 PM
…I’m intrigued by what he said, that he is married here now…? As for the marriage metaphor, it could also have to do with being one, being whole again, joining together with a once missing part… I can’t put it into words, but it makes sense to me at the moment, since your adventure looks like a retrieval… Perhaps you helped him retrieve this missing part, so he is whole again now… Or then, maybe you helped him join again this whole he had been away from :)
Sorry for the possible confusion, as I might not have made the connection clear: the last paragraph was also referring to the old school buddy, let's call him Jack, who committed suicide last October, not to the "retrieved" Ronald. For Jack, I do not have a retrieval experience or at least have no memory of such a thing. When I heard of his death from a friend of mine in October, I only did affirmations (or prayers if you will) to his guides and friends 'on the other side' to support ('retrieve') him and so help him not to 'get stuck' in the astral levels or Earth-bound due to trauma - which indeed can happen to suiciders, as we all know around here. It's what I felt was best for me to do.
That mentioned dream about Jack's red suit (which I looked up in my journal now) and marriage was then a month later in mid-November. I saw it as a nice confirmation for me that he had indeed 'made it home' by then.
Btw, Jack also appeared quite a few times and it was indeed in dreams which often also had other fields of interpretatory relevance for me, possibly even about healing. For instance, although I did not mention it in that account, but I also saw him standing further away in that forest as an onlooker, probably smiling at me, for a very short moment when I had the dream about the deer enclosure (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13362-Animals). Don't know what it means though.

Sinera
4th February 2012, 11:54 AM
04/Feb/2012
Return Of The 'Lady In Red' (?)

Reading R. McKnight's book 'Soul Journeys' and her described trip to the Akashic Hall Of Records to see her soul scrolls inspired me to try out my astral past life viewing method again. As I had seen "Lady In Red" (LiR) in a mirror (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=97554#post97554) two times already I demanded to see her again (in a mirror) and possibly speak to her, get essential data facts (name, date of birth, country/city) or experience sth out of her life directly.

I use a new affirmation that s.o. used in the Astral Pulse forum, "I am astral projecting now", and am nearly laughing as I say this (my "happiness method" I almost forgot about). I then get partial vibes, starting at the arms, then the body and roll out of bed. I am in another room of my childhood house (I should consider the whole house as a portal now, actually). First I have problems as magnetic forces are pulling me back but I can wiggle myself free.

I fly through the window and land down again (as last time) on the sunny garden, which is nice. Remembering my goal, I demand a mirror to manifest. But it does not work. A swarm of white butterflies comes flying in my direction instead.

Now it gets funny again: I turn around and look at the direction of our neighbour's house. From that upper floor's balcony downwards comes down with some 'astral machine noise' - attached to an automatic hydraulic swivelarm - a huge mirror to the ground and comes to rest on our terrace. It has a rectangular form and reminds me of a traffic mirror, just much bigger.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQQ1mnDnCjN3g5OqAf8muTktgnLRzJZp xiVUnAcl44hIoNHFscu

I approach it with the firm expectation to see Lady In Red now. I see a relatively beautiful girl in her 20ies (early to mid), but this time not in a red gown in 18th century or even medieval style, as I had seen LiR before. This girl is clothed in nowadays casual attire. She wears a blue jacket (better: a lady suit coat, but still casual wear) and a loose brown leisure shirt, possibly jeans. Her hair is arranged quite individually: combed back but still I see a lof of it (thick strands) on the sides, too. She looks neat and pretty, a type of girl I could imagine asking out for a date indeed. :wacky1::heart:

I take a closer look trying this time to imprint the looks of her face on my memory. She seems to be sun-tanned but is caucasian. She stands there (smiling slightly) and changing postures a little all the time. She acts as if she knows that she is being looked at and is 'posing' - but not too seriously, taking it with some kind of humour, like she is playfully pretending to be a pro model in a shooting? Although she does not behave like a 'real' model or so, it seems like she kows she is there to be looked at and her air conveys an expression of 'ok, so come and take your picture(s)', although she seems not to be 100% convenient with or accustomed to it, either.

As she is not my my mirror reflection and has her own personality this time (so the mirror is more like a screen now) I ask her what's her name. I do not get an answer, maybe she did not hear me, no reaction as to my request. I fail to get a conversation running. Moreover, I seem to be fading and it gets dream-like again. Before I fade, I see the mirrror compartmentalize, being split up into several panes, I also see children then in one of them.They seem to look at and recognise me though.






Comments / Afterthoughts

http://peoplesing.org/gathering/Smileys/default/megaphone.gif"Come on!! Higher Self, next time let me talk to her! I need data!!! Grrrr... :x "

Sinera
6th February 2012, 12:35 PM
06/Feb/2012
The "Indian" / Temple Vision Activation, Part Two

I feel that something has been raised now within me. I had several exits from hypnopomp tonight, it's easier now. Seems I have better control of my half-sleep now to induce the vibrations, lucidity and then apply exit techniques.

After one of the exits, I was in our sunny garden again, looking for a mirror. There is a hectagonally shaped garden shed and one side of it (so it's 1/6 of the walls) was then (unlike in the physical) a complete mirror wall from top to bottom. So I looked at it and I saw a kind of "native" man. He looked native-american, or asian, or something in-between, maybe also oriental, hard to define for me, maybe an unknown race from long ago? He had long hair and a healthy brown tan. He looked at me. Before I could do sth it got dream-like again and I faded.

Later I was in the upper portal and one exit was when all was dark like in a b/w-movie. I did not discover the mirror which I had tried before to manifest there during my meditation visualisations. I tried to manifest it by command, but it did not work. There was a kind of poster hanging at the spot where the mirror should appear.
Later again I was out again there, but had exit blindness. But I 'felt' that I was in that same portal again. A helper holding me at one hand. After affirmations for vision did not work the helper again pressed a hand against my temple (this time the right one). Then the vision field opened again in the middle, it was like that chakra wheel spinning visualisation with the picture starting out in the middle and then extending to the edges. This time the glow in the middle had a red-orange or ligher violet colour (don't remember exactly). Unfortunately (and annoyingly!) I faded again before the visuals of the room (or whatever) came on.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The garden seems to have become a kind of playground that responds to some of my intentions now, which is good. Mirror manifestation seems to work there!

Mirror manifestation did however not (yet) work in the upper portal, at least not during that black/white version.

In my theory, there is a lower and a higher vibration version of it. I need to work to get to the higher vibratory version of it, which always had daylight, colour and most of the times (or on demand) the helpers visibly in it. Maybe the mirror will be there then. The exit blindness technique conveyed to me is a tool I should use and was taught before (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=106081#post106081), but this time I unfortunately forgot it again, or it was just too late when I applied it. It is probably one of the access keys to experience the higher vibes version and see the helpers (and the mirror?).

As often before, when I finally gain sight in the upper portal and see the helpers I do it at the cost of lucidity or it does not last long enough then, probably due to my energy seemingly used up, my chakras not trained enough or whatever. So it seems to me that I need to work on being able to 'hold it' longer in the upper-frequency version - after gaining full sensory access in the first place, of course.

Sinera
17th February 2012, 01:00 PM
17/Feb/2012
Mirror "Healing" In The Lightportal

Tonight, I had two exits. I wanted to use my forced indirect projection method to "phase to the Lightportal on waking up", and doing so with joy. This seems to be still my most promising method for a 'quasi-controlled' exit. It seems I am then reliably and happily landing in the bed of my upper childhood room by this kind of "wilful false awakening from hypnopomp state" (maybe I should a get a patent for that method by now?)

The room is from now on called only "Lightportal" (Ger: Lichtportal) since I like the word, I use it in the affirmations and it also expresses my goal to finally overcome exit blindness, which I often experienced especially in this "room". The entire childhood house replica, including the garden, is just "The Portal" from now on.

So on the first exit there I encountered a very nice and bright version of the room. I was alone. The replica was almost perfect except for where the manifested mirror should have been, which I was looking for (past life reviewing method!). There was a "new" item that did not correspond to the original version. It was a a light wood bookcase or a shelf stand, similar to this:
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSJ5f6tTQK-3-o6KJzT58w_aBAQ9rjVK59tbXObyPYtOZYZxCqfXiIONw

In desperate search for a mirror I flew out of the house again, around the corner and into the garden where there were lots of mirror manifestations for me lately. First it seemed there were some indeed. Again I encountered those huge rectangles. However, they turned out to by TV screens. On one I saw a creature that looked like the humanoids on Planet Of The Apes. On another one I saw Barbara Bel Geddes (Miss Ellie Ewing, the older among us might remember ...). Then I faded back to the Lightportal / physical bed again.

In another exit I was in the Lightportal again, with less light and asked for it (yeah, I forgot about my taught temples technique again!) and then there were many many lamps and it was lighted. Also there was an Allibert (which is what we call a mirror cabinet in bathrooms in Europe) instead of the window (portal) then:
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR6CaIQCFudiVqYLVSOT2PLUP-XYrqUnSYkBkNSfDtMNflTsWwnF_-skw

I did not use this one, however, but used another standing mirror stand that was suddenly put there next to my bed. In it, I discovered myself with a bruised and distorted face. I immediately decided that it cannot remain this way and commanded the image to change. So I kind of „healed“ the mirror image of myself and then I saw a healthier (but also younger) version of me. I even did then, still looking at my image, some affirmations for general health for me, also hoping that I won't see myself like this in an astral mirror image again! Soon after it I lost it again and woke up.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Maybe this mirror technique was shown to me as an important self-healing method for me in the astral portal? Maybe the screens can then be used also to visualise and heal other people I know? (I remember the rold of Miss Ellie with having breast cancer surgery, btw. Cannot explain the apemen though).
Maybe the wooden shelves were there as a metaphor to tidy up my things and/or bring myself in order first? And that was why in the 2nd projection I was shown my sick image? And as Korpo once told me, maybe the Allibert hints to some kind of astral cleansing as it is related to bathrooms? Maybe it is not necessarily physical but also emotional healing that is necessary, I'm a bit stressed-out and also suffered from slight depressions recently, varying from day to day.

It is nice to note that my renewed "WFA" method works. Lying in bed in hypnopomp state and 'assuming' you are awake (which we then actually get after a few seconds) but then thinking and noticing otherwise is a very interesting technique to cultivate and explore further. The day before I even mixed together an mp3 with the spoken affirmation and a hemi-sync background for this technique, which listened to before sleep, so this probably helped with the success.

One more note about the rectangular screens: Two days ago I noted that the neighbour had a solar plant on their roof. One of these rectancular "solar mirrors" was actually the 'thing' that was lowered down for me when I viewed the Lady In Red again (see above).
I might certainly have 'seen' it before but not noticed or rememberd consciously. This interestingly shows again, how our subconscious mind, which 'inputs' zillions of visual and other sense impressions every day going unnoticed by our conscious awareness, retrieves things that were tucked away savely by our sensors and brain-mind-memory system, only to be 'used' when necessary for metaphors or astral tools as in this case.

Sinera
17th February 2012, 01:06 PM
Synchronicity? I just opened the Astralpulse forums after finishing this post. And look what I found first under "newest posts" and read:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/we...-t36388.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/false_awakening_every_morning_my_free_ticket_to_as tralvilled-t36388.0.html)

funny, eh?

Sinera
18th February 2012, 12:57 PM
18/Feb/2012
Sinera

WFA works well for me, had another exit this morning. Again I got up after short vibrations from my astral bed and stood before the desk and window in my bright Lightportal. I wanted to manifest a computer screen this time as an interface with "Akasha", but it did not work. Then I carried out plan B: Switch on that old, small, primitive, b/w TV set I had back then (remember: entering my Lightportal is always a time travel to the 80ies, sort of).

I did so and on came a 'movie' with people in 18-to-19th century clothes. It looked like it would have been an older (Hollywood) b/w-movie anyway even if I had a colour TV.

I asked what I wanted to explore: "What's the name of Lady In Red?" In the TV „movie“, a man (still in 19th century clothing, with a typical hat on) was then sitting on a swing, facing me (or: looking right at the cam) while swaying back and forth slightly, he told me: „It's Sinera“ (stress on second syllable: Sinéra).

Then the pictures changed again and I saw still people of that time in this b/w-movie talking to each other, maybe arguing about sth. An older man was in the focus and he seemed to lecture or scold some other people I did not see. But I did not understand a word of what was said. I again asked for confirmation of what I heard, but no one reacted to me. But I remember another short scene where I might have seen the same name indeed written on a paper again, but the memory is hazy.

I put the second question then (seeing the old man) of what her (Sinera's / LiR's) birth year is (the third question planned would have been her home country / city / region). The old man however, did not react to me. I then faded very quickly, all in all this lucidventure felt like it only lasted for a minute or even less.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Well, maybe I am about to develop a 'workable' interface for data tranfer, but translating any reliable and accurate information will probably remain difficult.

Maybe the 19th century movie and its characters were already an answer to my question as to the epoch that LiR was living in? It slightly corroborates my first 'mirror encounters' with her when I also saw her in clothing that resembled 19th century customs and fashion. Google search for '19 century clothes' and selected samples for comparison:

LiR / "Sinera"'s clothing (but she wasn't pale!): http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS9zwq3n-i9k5h2AzmhHIti4Z4RCLifJa4buyiPXVayH4uRme1yBWANPg Typical menswear: http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS_wt_3txm4fZr3FAIFkPYVc4lSYpyp1 lf2NGnYHE0ihZmgRn-iZ7TkqSI

How about internet research concerning the name given? My conscious mind never could have just made up this name from any source I remember. Moreover, I had only asked for "a name". Although I expected to get a first name with it a last name might even be more helpful. There is a female first name 'Sinera', but it is very rare. It rather seems to be a last name. And that, in turn, gives some more interesting clues as to origin:

"Sinera" is a surname in Spain. But to be more accurate: it seems to be of Catalan origin (http://www.miparentela.com/mapas/detalles/sinera.html). Sinera is also used as anagram for the city of Arenys de Mar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arenys_de_Mar) read backwards by a Catalan poet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Espriu#Popular_success) (also writing about hermetics, btw). Anyway, Arenys de Mar is the same area, in Catalonia and near Barcelona, the capital of this region. Hence, I possibly I have a first working hypothesis to be corroborated more:

"Ms (better: Señora) Sinera" was a Catalan girl living in 19th century Spain in the Barcelona area, who occasionally wore red clothes. Red is a traditional colour of Spain, anyway.
:clap::banghead:

Btw, I studied Spanish language and culture and I also went to Barcelona in 2002 because I felt attracted to this city more than e.g. to Madrid, although the latter would have made more sense since Castilian ('official' Spanish) is spoken there and I do not know Catalán. I shot a lot of digital pics with a lot of orbs (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11339-Orbs-in-Photos&p=92567#post92567) in them.

Of course ... I know. It is all highly speculative and I am getting carried away again. I just try to make 'sense' of sth that maybe cannot made 'real' sense of. At least, I would need more data and work on my chosen interface in order to get conclusive and consistent results ... one day.

Btw, Sinera split into „sin era“ (eng.: without an era = timeless?) could also be a pun and telling me not to search for a specific point in time. Timelessness might also have been insinuated by her rather contemporary clothing in my last visual encounter with her. On the other hand, I had asked for a name first when I got this answer, not the time, which only was my 2nd question!

You see, the guessing game will go on for a while now, as more and more data comes in by droplets. But nevermind, it's fun. :)

CFTraveler
18th February 2012, 05:37 PM
On a side note (I'm part Basque and my husband is part Catalan and Basque) have you read Espriu's work, and is it interesting?

Sinera
19th February 2012, 11:07 AM
On a side note (I'm part Basque and my husband is part Catalan and Basque) have you read Espriu's work, and is it interesting?
Actually, I only know about him since yesterday. It's just what I got by googling for "Sinera" and just quickly analysed and evaluated what came up. I also did not detect any online translations of his work from Catalan into Castilian, English or German. I only knew some Castillian language writers from my studies back then in the 90ies. (Literature, however, wasn't my focus as one could choose between it and Linguistics, as I am more of an analytical type, I chose linguistics then).

Sinera
19th February 2012, 04:13 PM
CFT, a question: does your husband (or you) know the name Sinera, does it make sense to you, I mean ... does it "sound catalán" to you, as I assume that you or your husband might not heard the word/name before? Or does the word have any other meaning? The census data (see link) of my research shows that it is most frequent in this area (probably around the world as so far I did not find it elsewhere). However, it is still a rare last name I suppose, 76 registered occurrences in the whole of Spain, that isn't many indeed.
I tried to find some other than Catalan connections for this word. However, word search for "sinera" is difficult. First, google mostly turns it around as "sirena", .. okay, this can be helped of course by putting it in "...". Then, also in the Spanish language web the hits are not revealing as it seems some people just forgot the c in sincera (sincere, honest). And most of the times the links reveal the connection to this poet and his work.

Another question: do you know (write, read / hear, speak) Catalán? Should I now find out more "hard facts" in the astral and be able to solidify them by getting them consistently (by checking and re-checking) I might be tempted to ask for your help regarding Catalán in my research. And I am motivated now, so I might find out more! I'll try hard for birth date, location and first name now!

One more thing to add which might even further support my hypothesis: A short and rather hazy dream I had a longer time ago. I now tried to find it in my journal because I remember it so well for good reasons, but failed to spot it (so far). It went like this:
I once had a short dream sequence where I was a woman. Not in a mirror this time, but really a woman as "me" in the dream. In this scene, there was a man sitting next to me on a bench in a house, whose face I did not see or remember. As I conceived it, he was or had been my lover. He then told me that he must leave me (probably to (re-)join his family again, so it might have been an extramarital 'affair'). Then in the next scene, I see him in this same house at the lobby with me looking down from one floor above from a kind of gallery around it. I see him rejoin other people, a woman hugging him, other people too, probably some kids. I seem to be sad about this, or at least not really happy. Then the dream (memory) ends. Being a woman was not the only strange thing about it. The house this scene(s) took place in was a place I had already dreamt more often about: The university, but more exactly: It was the house of the faculty of Roman/Latin languages where I had most of my Spanish (!!!) courses back then. I did not understand the connection of the setting of this scene (which was already strange enough!) in this location. Seeing it in this new light, now it makes almost sense! I did have other dreams in this house but I associated them (and still do) to other interpretatory aspects of my current life. But who knows?

Sinera
19th February 2012, 04:26 PM
Of course, now, looking more closely at the census data link, I found out that it could also be Zaragoza (30 instances). So this could mean that there is not necessarily a Catalan connection to this name. Zaragoza is located in Aragon which is a tri-lingual area with Castillian, Aragones and Catalan Spanish (http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aragón#Lenguas). Muy interesante, todo esto. :-)

Update: Two occurrences (http://www.verwandt.de/karten/absolut/sinera.html) in Germany, also two (http://www.dynastree.ca/maps/detail/sinera.html)in Canada.

France might be a possibilty too. (Well, does not surprise me as Catalan is the French version of Spanish, in a way).
"17 SINERA sont nés en France entre 1966 et 1990 (http://www.geopatronyme.com/nomcarte/SINERA)", so she could be French as well.

Quite a few instances for the U.S. (http://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?gsfn=&gsln=SINERA&rank=1&gsby=&gsbco=1&gsbpl=1%2c+&gsdy=&gsdco=1&gsdpl=1%2c+&gsoco=1&gsopl=1%2c+&ti=0&ti.si=0&gss=angs-g&cj=1&o_xid=0003096283&o_lid=0003096283&gl=allgs&gst=&uidh=000&MSV=0), too.

CFTraveler
19th February 2012, 08:23 PM
I don't speak Catalán; I once tried to learn Euskara but realized I don't have time- Spanish, English and a little bit of Italian are what I can do... or used to.

Sinera
21st February 2012, 01:30 PM
21/Feb/2012
Reconciliation & The Gate Of Birds

Tonight I took Galantamine again. No 'exit' but I get about 80% lucid with a bike I am riding in the street in front of our house, going to the city. Still there seems to be some dream state residue as I somehow say to myself I need the bike for the exam. The bike is hard to ride, it seems not to be 100% alright, but it still works for me to get ahead.

Then I ride the next street downhill but I stop before an old friend's house. I must say 'previous' buddy because already 10 years ago we had a stupid argument and since then we evade each other. Other common buddies of us tried to reconcile us, but to no avail. I call for him to come out. He appears and ask him that we should reconcile and talk to each other again, and by this I really mean in physical life (I am lucid knowing well that this is a simulation or it's an aspect of him). He agrees and we shake hands. Before I resume my bike ride I turn around again and remind him that we should meet via another buddy of ours who is still friends with both of us. He nods.

So then I go further downhill towards the main road and try some deepening methods by looking at the ground, the surroundings and also my hands. Then I look further downhill where my target, the main street is. As a transit, there is a kind of open gate now (not there in the physical of course!), or rather, it's an elaborate archway.
Then on the main road behind it lands a flock of birds as if to wait for my arrival down there after I pass through the gate. I stay, however, still 20 metres away with my bike and think first about where to go / what to do when I am down there. The birds are still 'waiting' and more are landing when I decide to go for another retrieval. I close my eyes expecting to teleport to some place where s.o. needs my help, but it seems my battery has run down again and I wake up instead.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The reconciliation with the old buddy is a good thing. I had thought about this some time ago when I met him in dreams more often, to do this in lucid state. It solves some 'karmic issue' within this life. Since my "Johnny Smith miracle" I know that anything is possible and maybe it will work in the physical now for us too, if there's again a telepathic element involved. Maybe it was arranged for me to tidy things up for me, like a few days ago with the mirror image self-healing. I need to get clean before I go out into the Astral to explore. And maybe this ties in with the second part?

The gate could be a gateway to a more public (hence the main road!) area, the Astral. Maybe this is what "the exam" was referring to? To be able and ready to "enter" it?

The waiting swarm of birds could have been another elemental alignment, the way Korpo explained it to me in the Animals (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13362-Animals&p=108049#post108049) thread? There are also other metaphoric interpretations, but I don't know if the more negative interpretation of Dreammoods (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=flock) makes sense to me: Flock To see a flock of birds in your dream represent a lack of objectivity in your decision-making and thinking process. Since I am arranging and re-arranging for temp jobs now (to finance and bridge my healer training) another interpretation (http://mysteries24.com/l-14223-Swarm) hits the nail on the head: To dream of a swarm of birds, means you must arrange for a good job, in order to achieve larger and more easy success. Another one (http://mysteries24.com/l-14293-Flocks): To dream that a swarm is approaching you, suggests that you are to understand the very important news. But which news? Need to wait if there is some news for me in the coming days.

Korpo
21st February 2012, 01:59 PM
Looks like you became lucid while on your way back from an adventure. This has happened to me, too. The content of dream or AC is not consciously recalled, and the recall happens mostly on the way home (= down). This could also be why - inspite of your lucidity - you could not prolong this or trigger another experience. The birds could represent the arrival back down on the physical plane - on the ground.

Sinera
21st February 2012, 07:02 PM
Since I am arranging and re-arranging for temp jobs now (to finance and bridge my healer training) another interpretation (http://mysteries24.com/l-14223-Swarm) hits the nail on the head: To dream of a swarm of birds, means you must arrange for a good job, in order to achieve larger and more easy success. Another one (http://mysteries24.com/l-14293-Flocks): To dream that a swarm is approaching you, suggests that you are to understand the very important news. But which news? Need to wait if there is some news for me in the coming days.update: just reveived an email this afternoon as an answer an e-mail request by me from a local company about info on a temp job on offer here in my hometown (the very physical one that I live in now again and whose replica I dream/project into all the time anyway) and that I can apply to them (send CV) - so maybe the "news to understand" was that I really had "landed a little job" in my hometown now?:cool:

Sinera
21st March 2012, 01:12 PM
21/Mar/2012
(Ms) Sinera's Voice?

Tonight in the Lightportal, I tried to manifest that 'vintage' b/w-TV set again. As things weren't as stable as wished for, it turned out to be an old, 'vintage' tape recorder instead. I asked the question anyway: 'What is the birth date or year of birth of Sinera / Lady In Red?'

Very faintly, I heard a sweet woman's voice from the tape running. German but with a sweet French accent. I tried to listen hard and closely but the only thing I got was "Wednesday" and a "5" , maybe as part of a greater number (unfortunately in German this could also be part of any number with a 5, e.g. 15, 25, 50, 500, 150, 1500 - so it's not like n English where you have fiv- or fif-(ty/-teen) pronounced differently). Before I could make out more it was over again.

Comments / Afterthoughts

:shrug:

*sarcasm on* "Sinera, darling. How nice to have 'heard' of you again. So you were born any point in time in human history on a Wednesday? Wow! And with a 5 anywhere in your birth date or year of birth? Or was it 5 o'clock? How very helpful. Sweetheart, please speak up next time for me or take a megaphone then, would you? Pleeeeaaase ..." *sarcasm off*

The (re)search continues ...

Korpo
26th March 2012, 10:12 AM
You're still convinced that your "astral hearing" is accurate, aren't you? ;)

Sinera
13th April 2012, 12:04 PM
13/Apr/2012
The 9-O'Clock-Heaven

Recently I had a dry period again or only some short lucidventures that were rather inconclusive and useless to me. Tonight I had an exit into a kind of huge 'business' building. Then I went outside and met a nice girl. She was Asian and we seemed to know eachother. I saw my reflection dimly in one of the dark-tinted glasses of the huge window front of the business building and noted I was looking like an Asian man, too. I should note here I was lucid and that I knew that 'I was me' having this experience.

I went along the street talking to the woman. It seemed the woman's looks constantly changed, as appearances weren't stable. So might I, but I did not pay attention to my looks anymore. She looked more Caucasian again when I asked here (remembering that I am here to explore) what this place is called. The answer came as a surprise as I just expected a (known) city name:

"This is the Nine-O'clock-Heaven".

I went on into a building again and then there was a man, maybe even the woman had turned into this man, and he made obscene gestures to me, but not in an unfriendly way. I asked him (still the explorer attitude) if this is a kind of "heaven" then would this be an area for resting and working through ones incarnations and preparing maybe for the next one. I also told him that I 'am incarnated' in a physical world and so I am just a visitor to this 'heaven'.

He then told me he is "not interested anymore" and vanished.

Comments / Afterthoughts

There is a pattern that goes through many of my explorations. Whenever I ask some persons or entities (or thought forms?) questions regarding my exploration, they seem not to be able or willing to handle it. Not everyone was so blatantly brushing me off as this guy did, however.
E.g. in another projection I also asked a guy what this place was (it was another city's pedestrian zone) and if he knew what an incarnation in a physical world is where I am from and how my plane might relate to his world. He replied that he did not understand at all what I meant and dissolved.

And what about this 9-o'clock heaven business? It seemed a business and 'busy' area, people were wearing busniess suits. Maybe it is an astral area for white-collar business people who, during their physical lives, liked to get up in the morning and go to work every day (at ca. 9:00 a.m.) and thus want to keep up that habit? So this was or kind of is 'heaven' for them?

I cannot sympathise.:?

Korpo
13th April 2012, 12:12 PM
9 is 3 quarters of the whole 12 on the clock. If you want to measure the astral plane "bottom to top" you made it comparatively far, maybe even 3rd subplane (theosophist counting: top to bottom). The subplanes from the 4th upwards could be considered heavens.

If you can make it as far as the 5th subplane (now counting from bottom to top ;) ) you might be developing your 5th astral chakra. This would explain any and all communication oddities in that it means that you're only beginning to exchange any meaning. Things don't make sense. Sentences only have approximate meaning. As for the analysis of symbols without a fully develeped 6th chakra, it's rather crude (= unrefined).

That's what the guy did - he showed you crude (= vulgar) gestures. Gestures are symbolic. :)

Sinera
14th April 2012, 09:49 AM
9 is 3 quarters of the whole 12 on the clock. If you want to measure the astral plane "bottom to top" you made it comparatively far, maybe even 3rd subplane (theosophist counting: top to bottom). The subplanes from the 4th upwards could be considered heavens.

Wow, that's an interesting interpretation of the clock metaphor. I had to look up the Astral subplanes of Theosophy to understand what you mean exactly. So the subplanes are 7 like all main planes, too:
http://users.ez2.net/nick29/theosophy/astral-07.gif

This would mean from your interpretation and description, I would have been to what they called 'Elysian Summerland'? Actually I did not have the impression of it to be 'heavenly', but maybe this cannot be expected of 'the Astral' anyway and it is to be seen in relation to the lower subplanes, too, right?

But why was I in another body suit (Asian)? (I did a similar thing before with T. Campbell (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=102538#post102538) to the 'Contact Zone', which I also assume to be on a 'higher' level / subplane then.) Why was the man "not interested" anymore? Why the business city district setup of this "9-Uhr-Himmel"-area?


If you can make it as far as the 5th subplane (now counting from bottom to top ;) ) you might be developing your 5th astral chakra.
This is an interesting comment for me too, as you cannot know it (since I did not write about it directly) but the nightly adjustments I recently had asked (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13665-My-DNA-talked-to-me-%21%21%21&p=109644#post109644) for (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13665-My-DNA-talked-to-me-%21%21%21&p=109644#post109644) were also related to an improvement or 'clearing' of my Throat Chakra.

I have severe problems and blockages in the Throat Chakra, as I mentioned here (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12731-The-Solar-Plexus-Controversy&p=106505#post106505). It is so severe now that I cannot even relax or meditate with it, at least not when lying down! Everything psychological seems to manifest there.

Therefore, maybe, it was a 'dentist (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13665-My-DNA-talked-to-me-%21%21%21&p=109644#post109644)' who worked on me when I asked for adjustments, since a dentist actually works in this area (or at least its proximity). Can't prove it but the thought of it is interesting, to say the least. So maybe I get these adjustments there and thus (as hoped for) it works better in the long run as a gradual improvement for AP, as well.

Korpo
14th April 2012, 05:44 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

If you get past the notion that heaven is some sort of final thing, you quickly get the notion that heaven instead means "business" from a certain viewpoint. At least for the Facilitators who work there and the Rangers who visit this could be one possible impression.

Kurt described the upper three subplanes of the astral plane more specifically here (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/200-the-upper-three-subplanes-of-the-astral-plane). He only calls the topmost level Summerland, as it finally is basically only about getting rid of the feeling of desire itself, while lower levels are more oriented towards work (hence business) this level has a notion of rest and recreation as one of its aspects.

As for Asian - why not? Maybe you have a mental affinity to think "Eastern equals spiritual"? It could be a bit of past-life overlay where you made such a visit before? Lots of possibilities to speculate about, but if you don't get a direct association possibly not decodable.

The development of your vehicle of consciousness for out-of-body exploration is related to your emotional development as well as the development of your whole personality. The sensations you feel could hint at energetic blocks which resulted from how you deal with your own reactions.

Korpo
14th April 2012, 05:51 PM
PS - quoted from the link above:


“They may not yet understand all the information they receive. Until the fifth chakra is fully developed, they may experience instances in which Guides and Teachers seem not to hear them or make unintelligible replies to their questions. The more skill in interpreting dreams you bring with you into this phase of your growth, the easier time you’ll have in learning how to communicate with astral entities. Mastering the translation process from exchanges of information-carrying images or energy into words is the key to moving through this level.(from: http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/200-the-upper-three-subplanes-of-the-astral-plane)

From past experiences you posted including the last one this seems indeed what you're currently experiencing OOB, and in this quote are some clues as what might help. :)

I don't know what the Contact Zone is, as I only have read the first few chapters of the book, but the purpose of this subplane is outline here:


“At the fifth level of the astral plane, Dreamers, too, become more amenable to teaching. They may not be fully lucid, but they do remember their dreams regularly. They now have access to what you call the Interactive Learning Zone, in which they receive group instruction and remember such dreams in terms of conferences, seminars, workshops, classes, and so on. These classes are also taught by Facilitators, usually in the early stages of their development as such. They do not experience working at this level as punishment.

“Rangers, who tend to be more lucid than the average Dreamer on this level, may interact directly with the Facilitators on duty, asking questions instead of simply taking in the information offered. Rangers are now able to gather information freely about the scenes, dwellers, and phenomena of the public areas of the astral plane Dream Zone. They often get hints of the structure of the astral plane by perceiving transitions between dreams as movements between various regions(from: ditto)

The last sentence might describe your transition from inside (a dream - represented as a building/structure) to the outside (wider astral plane) after you fulfill the requirement: the right level of lucidity.

Sinera
16th April 2012, 05:27 PM
Thanks, Korpo. I gave it a good read now. I also started today skimming over part 5 (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/201-meta-astral-and-meta-mental-bodies) dealing with higher / mental or 'cosmic' bodies. I am only half through it as I think it also gets a bit complicated then (also my thinking capacity isn't the best today). However, this is not the interesting point now. I've come to the point when he says that we have two bodies available per subplane, he describes them using the old Sanskrit labels:


[T]here are two bodies associated with each plane. Hence we have the ordinary astral body, which is an adhibhautika body, and a meta-astral body, which is an ativahika body.
The word adhibhautika means “composed of the elements of,” and so refers to an astral body that is made up of the matter of a particular astral subplane and therefore confined to it. The word ativahika means “going onward or beyond,” hence free of any particular subplane and therefore able to perceive and travel within all levels of the astral plane–hence a meta-astral body."
- Kurt Leland (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/201-meta-astral-and-meta-mental-bodies)

Well, what astonishes me from reading about this, is this: Tonight, I had a dream. Much of it was confusing and memory is overall very hazy. I remember one scene clearly, though:

I was driving home with a bike from a bigger town (nearby) to my (now again!) hometown. (I do have this dream quite often, btw.). I was having trouble as the bike I was driving did not move properly or fast enough (but it did, I shall say).
Another cause for the difficulty of cycling was that for some unknown reason then to me, I was actually driving with two bikes! That's possible, although not easy to do; and I remember doing this as a youth when I transportet a bike to a buddy of mine, fortunatley along 2 streets only.

So in the dream, as back then, on one hand I was steering the bike I was sitting on with the right hand on the right side of the handlebar, while I was holding with my left hand (arm stretched out) the right handlebar of another bike, balancing it, getting it dragged along, rolling next to me. There was a time jump (or I don't remember the in-betweens) and then I was home, leaning both bikes (iirc) against the wall of our house in the garden.

Well, I need to stress again that I had this dream tonight BEFORE I read this article today! It might be accident and there's no correlation. It might be another precog vision of just reading about this information today. I do have precogs a lot now. So... be that what it may have been ... it's at least very interesting.

And maybe there is more to it than just another nice precog: I assume the bike is (as sometimes my car) a metaphor for my energy body. Maybe this IS to show and/or reassure me that (although with great difficulties) I am in the process of making the 'second bike' available to me ... for use ... one day. I have it brought home already, so to speak, although maybe it's only the knowledge of its existence now, or of it standing there ready to jump on (or not?) in my garden, when I am 'ready' to use it. I don't rememer if it was damaged (flat tyre etc.) or not, however.

Anyway, I might be over-interpreting again ... but in case I'm right then it is an encouraging dream (plus the precog into the bargain ;)).

Korpo
16th April 2012, 09:14 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

You know I often follow Kurt's line of interpretation about bikes and cars as vehicles of consciousness, and indeed I see no reason why this shouldn't be the case here.

One possibility here would be another phenomenon Kurt has reported about - we try to master one plane and get also to explore the next-higher plane. So, while one for example mostly works on developing the astral body one might get also glimpses of what the mental body feels like. In this case neither vehicle would be a fully developed vehicle, but the lower one would be considerably more developed than the higher one.

For example in 2008 I had blind projections and such, and went to Kurt for explaining it. Kurt's "multidimensional diagnosis" got me by surprise - he suggested I was starting to develop the mental body, and hence the inner senses of that body were not fully available to me to say the least. Blindness or the inability to feel any body at all was followed by a feeling of space (but no vision), then movement (but little vision), till finally some vision kicked in and so on. The continuum of those experiences did indeed follow what Kurt describes when he associated skill and inner senses to the individual chakras (1 - embodiment, 2 - space, 3 - mobility, 4 - presence and function of beings and places, 5 - communication, 6 - coherence and lucidity, 7 - graduating a body).

When I experienced this I was not yet fully done with the astral body. I had not achieved a cosmic physical astral, meta-astral, ativahika astral or unlimited astral body, whatever you may want to call it. I was for example experiencing ACs where I would switch between etheric, astral and mental to get a feel for all of them and so on.

You might start to see some similarities with your situation. The uneasy bike ride might indeed have been an attempt to explore the mental body a bit. Just because you're in the mental body your astral body doesn't go away. Indeed, you need to balance and align the astral aspect of yourself in a way that it supports you in accessing the mental body. What you do in this experience sounds a lot like that - learning to balance one bike with another - learning to align astral and mental enough to be able to access (ride) the mental body.

The direction from the bigger town to home town could imply that you had accessed the lower mental plane (bigger town = higher plane) and were returning to the astral plane (home town, still your current base of operations). I often recall experiences where I return from somewhere, in fact maybe as often if not more often than being somewhere! ;) The confusion and haziness might indicate a greater psychological distance revolved in the recall - you might have been closer to Source than you are generally used to and downloading the experience to your waking self was more effort than you are used to with your regular experiences.

Sinera
20th April 2012, 09:42 AM
20/Apr/2012
The Void

I get lucid in my portal and do the affirmation "I am out-of-body now". Vibrations come and after the second attempt I manage to "wiggle" and roll myself free from my body. I immediately fly through the window and notice the white curtains billowing somehow above and before me as I fly out but I can get out of it without problems.

This time, I just enjoy the flight over the city in daylight and so I get faster and faster. Suddenly it gets night, which I don't like but I keep flying anyway. Then I remember one of my goals and shout: "Summerland !!!" and try to fly up to a higher plane (in theory: 7th astral subplane or lowest mental plane?).

Surprised I notice that it seems to work. I fly up into the sky without any 'astral gravity' keeping me back on the ground (like so many times before). My surroundings get dark. I am, however, not in outer space, I see not stars. It is just pitch black. I am not comfortable with it, but feel no fear, as I never do in the astral. I am just seeking comfortable environments I feel attracted to, that's all. So I try to change my situation and think of going back to my body. It works and I am back in bed. However it is a false awakening and it is the astral portal room, which I only notice later when I wake up.

Comments / Afterthoughts

My assumption: It seems to have been "the void" or the velvety blackness, which so many APers (e.g. Monroe, Newport, R.Bruce too?) report on. It is supposed to be an area in-between dimensions, so it indicates a kind of transit zone (and/or body switch) you pass before you reach another zone / plane. In retrospect, if this is true, this is quite annoying for me now, as it seems I was on the right way 'up' to Summerland where I wanted to go. :(

Anyway ... Next time (tonight?!) it will work and I am decided that I will try the same thing again!

"Shouting" affirmations in the astral seems to be a cool idea, btw. I also wonder if my flying fast on the horizontal first might have helped too, since by this method I achieved some type of 'momentum' for my flight upwards then, just like an athlete is doing this as an inrun for a high or long jump.

UPDATE: yeah, Robert wrote about it too (http://books.google.de/books?id=PId1UeRY_TYC&pg=PA410&lpg=PA410&dq=%22the+void%22+%22Robert+Bruce%22&source=bl&ots=-vHX6MlUnS&sig=VqtjuXegE-6UdNrwDQdHnSXOGt8&hl=de&sa=X&ei=GTuRT5KjMPH04QSprdiFBA&ved=0CEQQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false).

Korpo
20th April 2012, 12:08 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

I sometimes doubt this was a void. I think it was rather an "inner sense blackout." Never mind you see it outside yourself - you weren't able to construct the outer reality perception in your mind as your inner senses weren't giving the needed information yet.

You experienced upward mobility but you didn't quite make it there yet. Something like this is to be expected if you're really still working on the 5th and 6th chakras of the astral body. When you're done with those, you would have seen something.

Let me recount a similar experience:

I seem to be travelling within an upward tunnel, and I "realise" it's my own spine. At certain heights are key junctures - tunnel exits - the chakras. Some have realities behind them, like a portal into another land (I can access the subplane associated with that individual chakra) but there's one behind which lies just an "energetic void." I see nothing, but this nothing seems to be alive like an electric cloud, if that makes sense. I concluded what I see was an energy I couldn't translate, as the energy was there (potential, electricity) but no forms to observe (information derived from the energy to construct a sensory environment). The spine-like tunnel seems to have been an expression of the capabilities of an energy body (the spine being the whole-body connection of all chakras).

I think something similar is happening here. You just travelled within an energy body beyond its capabilities to perceive and translate, and hence got nothing - "not [even] stars." Seems like your "astral" senses weren't quite there. ;)

Summerland is the 1st/7th subplane of the astral plane, not one of the lower mental plane. It is special in that there exists a special relationship with the Source on this level as opposed to other subplanes.

Sinera
20th April 2012, 03:25 PM
I sometimes doubt this was a void. I think it was rather an "inner sense blackout." Never mind you see it outside yourself - you weren't able to construct the outer reality perception in your mind as your inner senses weren't giving the needed information yet.
You experienced upward mobility but you didn't quite make it there yet. Something like this is to be expected if you're really still working on the 5th and 6th chakras of the astral body. When you're done with those, you would have seen something.
Yes, this might all be the case and that's why I speculated on a "body switch" as underlying reason. But of course, you point out well that the problem lies with switching the inactive chakra(s) on instead of a body switch. Makes much sense to me since it probably was still the astral body changing subplanes we're talking about. However, isn't there a slight possibilty that I was about to really 'enter' the mental plane but could not access the mental body?

Anyway, regarding the velvet blackness, I'm still a bit clueless now, as so many APers report on "the void". So maybe this 'inner sense blackout' as you call it is in fact due to plane switching / upward movement and is thus is the case for all of them? Wouldn't be a contradiction for me. "The Void" is really a kind of general phenomenon and hence this might be one valid explanation for it (just speculating though)?

I still need to stress that I was still moving 'upward', since it felt this way despite the blackness. And it was then my deliberate decision to stop and go back to body. I could have gone on. I could have tried harder with affirmations or other techniques to get vision or other perceptions. But I didn't try as I was still 'in transit' so to speak (... stupid me). It was 'not really' a failed attempt this time since I did not do an attempt. I just broke off the journey. That's why the question for me still remains open as to what would have happened had I just gone on and probably 'made it' somewhere. To "make it" here means either to switch on the upper chakra(s) and/or 'access' the plane (perception) which is, if I understand you right, somehow related anyway?

Certainly you are right, especially my 5th chakra is a weak point, probably the ones above it, too. I am trying to do more energy training for it now, be meditating on it, and also ordered some crystals now for the throat chakra (lapis lazuli, chalcedon).

On the other hand, I think that as of now it is not impossible for me to reach Summerland or any higher plane. That's why I am motivated to try it again. I would not try it if I thought it is not possible for the moment and tried sth else instead (I still attempt to apply efficiency to my efforts).

And maybe you remember my lucidventure where I had made it to "The Library" once, which I assume to be on a higher astral plane, too. It was actually Kurt who then even told me (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?4572-Kurt-Leland-s-10-levels-of-dream-awareness&p=90960#post90960) it was on a lower mental plane. Theoretically, shoudn't I even already have a mental body ready and functioning if I made it there once? I don't understand this now.:shrug: So it should already be possible for me to get to some of the higher planes, even with a not properly functioning vehicle such as mine. Maybe with a little bit of luck or help from a guide who has a good day (or better: both of us :)).

And I had other also experiences where I as 'drawn up' to higher levels, supposedly by helpers. Sometimes with and sometimes without vision, but always with felt hands and upwards movement.

One of the more recent ones (not written down in this journal) was being lifted by a hand which I then noticed to be a very muscular arm with tatoos on it. I found this suspicious then and stopped. Then I was in a 'room' where everything was white. I saw the 'whole' guy who had dragged me before to this level and he looked like a body builder a bit, at least he was sturdy and muscular. He smiled and looked otherwise harmless though. I was a bit put aback by his appearance though, not afraid, just wondering about this guy. Then there was a little dwarf woman appearing next to him (or me) making funny boxing gestures to me as if I was expected to fight this guy now. However, I interpreted this to be just a kind of metaphor, as the whole situation was so ridiculous, even comical (I almost laughed then). I then faded out of the scene. Well, perhaps this little episode was to show me that it is "still" a real "feat" to "heave" me "up there" and therefore I need to 'afford' a weight-lifter type (with a dwarf wife???) of helper to achieve it. ;)

Korpo
20th April 2012, 09:27 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

As I've mentioned before, Kurt believes that one masters a certain body and gets to explore the body above it - as for example the pair astral body/mental body. In this case you have two very different kind of experiences - one where key features seem to be missing, or only the lower chakras are active to some degree, and one that seems more complete, coherent, lucid and clear. In the case of your astral/mental body pair, the lower one would be the more clear, and the mental body the less clear one.

You've had experiences in the past that you thought were throwbacks behind what you already seemed to be able to do - lack of control, lack of lucidity. There might be problems with recall or limited abilities. This can be either due to simulations or due to the limitations of the body you're exploring. When I began exploring the mental body, I had this adventure:

I was having a WILD. I was drifting into it, thinking I was imagining it. I was moving down a hallway towards a door, still not convinced the experience was beyond my own fantasy. I looked to the right - outside the window I saw outer space and the sun rising above the Earth. Now I realised that this was real and I was having a lucid experience, because I didn't expect this to happen. Excitedly I opened the door, stepped through and suddenly dropped into - nothing. Nothing at all. No sense of movement, no sense of anything. Just nothing everywhere. Not even a space. Just I and nothing else.

Notice the similarities with your void experience, even though there was in your case the presence of a body (1st chakra), a feeling of being in a space (2nd chakra) and a feeling of movement (3rd chakra). Notice also how I was first in an environment with full lucidity, a coherent inner sense perception including visuals, and then I dropped into something that only meant my first chakra was present at most - no sense of space or movement and no inner sense perceptions.

In this sense we can say you had some inner sense blackout. It meant you were stretching beyond the capability of your astral body and the chakras that were active during that time. It might or might not have included a switch to the mental body. In either case there seem to be not enough inner sense perceptions about your environment filter through your energy bodies to form a coherent picture of your surroundings. You could not tell where you were nor did you spot other beings (no 4th chakra), no sign of 5th chakra activity as you could not communicate with others or your environment, no visuals meant also basic 6th center activity, as you were not able yet to render a coherent picture out of the information.

My experience with the mental body was this - visuals only started to appear when I was developing the 4th center. I had an experience like yours moving through a black space, but definitely having some sort of body (1st chakra), feeling the space around me (2nd chakra), and feeling the movement (3rd chakra) but still not seeing much. When I started developing the 4th chakra, I was suddenly getting visuals again, but it was rather dream-like - little lucidity (basic 6th center activation). I was getting a feel where I was, what was around me, I started seeing sign posts, was traveling on roads and such.

Till you've mastered the astral body you're doing both. It's like taking courses in parallel - an advanced one you cannot yet fully devote yourself to, and a more basic one that you need to pass more urgently. In the astral body you're definitely facing challenges from the fifth chakra - developing speech and communication, receiving and sending and translating. And remember also that this means both speaking and hearing - it all filters through the senses you're developing, either way. So, when you develop the fifth chakra you move from silent guides to simple, basic and often nonsensical conversations, then to a bit more of a coherence with some weirdness mixed in, till finally your energetic vocabulary at this level develops and you get more fluid. This has been present in your experiences, especially when you complained that your guides had problems expressing themselves.

Oh, by the way, I don't think you've missed out on anything by stopping. There's nothing in this you can push. You can only stretch so far in these matters. It's not like your chakras suddenly pop on, you basically work on your nonphysical chakra aspects by having these experiences, and they best develop organically along the lines of those lessons presented to you by your dreams and lucidventures. Experiences over time may highlight the capabilities of the different bodies, contrast them against each other, allow you to switch between, go up and down, and so on. Sometimes everything falls into place and you can have a higher experience of greater coherence. And then for a while it may not. Still, all in all it is growth for the whole of your being.

Sinera
22nd April 2012, 02:26 PM
22/Apr/2012
Punin

This time no 'exit' but getting lucid in a dream. I am in a kind of municipal park or garden, but then somehow jump down onto a kind of main road with large sidewalks for pedestrians. I ask some of them about the name of this place but (as usual!) they are clueless as to my request and/or do not give me any intelligible answer. Then after walking for a few moments, I meet a former buddy of mine (let's call him Tim) talking to another acquaintance from my high school days. I greet both of them.

I ask Tim several questions or talk to him chat-wise but I do not remember much of it. I remember I ask him a bit helplessly then (in search for a 'purpose') what useful deed I could do here now. He looks at me quite earnestly and then says (approximate, paraphrased version):

"Help these children. They are looking for Punin. You know that place well as you lived there once, in 1609." I turn around and see two kids looking at me, curiously as kids are, expectantly and smiling.

Well, I don't know what happened then, maybe I am just for a lack of total lucidity still an 'astral dumbhead' somehow, but I seemed to lose interest in the conversation and suddenly had sth different 'in mind'. It's too stupid to tell here so I leave that one out.

Later, I also walk about in this same city again asking passengers if they knew the full name of Lady In Red / Sinera, which is one of my past life research tasks as you might know if you read many of my above posts. I meet one lady who appears (!) to be knowledgable and gives me a slip of paper with a complicated and long name on it that might be in spanish/catalan or portuguese. Then we also talk about the possibilty that Sinera is actually not a last but a first name. I do not remember more.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Hypothesis 1 - Retrieval:

My first thought was that I have a reason to be unsatisfied again, even angry with myself. Maybe I missed the chance for a kind of retrieval then? If (a guide disguised as) a friend hints to s.o. in need of help this could and should certainly be an opportunity to be of service.

Moreover, Hypothesis 1 and 2 (below) could apply both simultaneously since maybe these were kids from an area where I had spent a past life? This would explain why I should/could maybe help them because there was thus a relationship established?
Let's explore ...

Hypothesis 2 - Past Life In (Today's) Ecuador:

An argument against retrieval opportunity is that the kids did not look distressed (=in need of help) at all. Moreover, the reference to a place I should know already might hint to a past life. My asking for Sinera (afterwards) might be an indication that I had this research already again 'in the back of my mind' and hence I retrieved past life data from Tim here. Although Tom Campbell told me (in a private pm) that permanent "focussed intent" yields reliable results in past life research over time, which would exclude subconscious requests, I am not willing to rule out this possibility.

So I here's my little research on the location of "Punin", of which I'm certain to have never heard consciously before in my life (well .. this life...):

Punin is a little village in Ecuador. The reason why I favour this hypothesis is that the kids in the experience indeed looked like indigenous latin-american ("indio") children a little. Here's a picture of a kid living in Punin (http://www.60plusminus.de/files_db/1322668166_1803__13_medium.jpg), it's from a charity's website (which proves that they live in poor circumstances). The kids I saw (2 boys of the same age) were indeed similar. They had dark hair and brown skin. I shall say that Southern European or any Arab origin would have been another possibilty though.

Speaking of the year given: In 1609, there was the Spanish conquest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ecuador#Spanish_discovery_and_conquest) going on, destroying and replacing the Inca realm in that area. Of course, since it was not stated explicitly by Tim, it might also be 1609 B.C. instead of A.D.? There were some pre-Columbian and pre-Inca cultures there. They even found an old human cranium and skeleton (http://books.google.de/books?id=VpiKZJOhBq8C&pg=PA158&lpg=PA158&dq=human+cranium+%22Punin%22&source=bl&ots=h-BBzgjtaN&sig=yOUlrou2lsZMV9xU2ZTVgWM5A8c&hl=de&sa=X&ei=cfWTT9K4Lseg4gTG79zQDw&ved=0CF8Q6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=human%20cranium%20%22Punin%22&f=false) dating back many thousands of years to pre-historic times.

Moreover and really fascinating: I saw this mirror image of an "native american" type of guy (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=107820#post107820) during one of my recent "astral past life mirror" experiments. Indeed, he might as well have been of a "native south-american" type, or that is "indio" instead of "indian" (which is what I wrote then).

Last not least: "Señora Sinera" might also have latin-american roots, and we know that I had her 'in mind' later during this experience. Her 'hispanic' looks leave at least open the columbian period (A.D.) alternative. Yes, this is all wild speculation now. More research to be done.

Hypothesis 3 - Magick / Hermetics:

It's a bit strange since I am not into role playing games at all and never was, so I wonder why this was given to me (if so). Punin is also a city in a fantasy world of such a game. "Dark Eye (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Eye)" is a real-person board game and only later there were computer versions done. Some say that in the astral fictional worlds also exist, especially if they are maintained by a collective of devoted players (the links to the wiki below attest to a very high devotion, if you ask me). Hence I would not state categorically that the city 'does not exist' at all. Another strange synchronicity: It's also a German role play and I am German, but I can swear I never heard about it!
Even more interesting for me: The city is, according to the German fan wiki, the seat of a Magicians Academy (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiki-aventurica.de%2Fwiki%2FAkademie_der_Hohen_Magie) and I only recently (a few days ago actually!) started reading up on the subject of Magick and esp. Hermetics (Kybalion, Franz Bardon's works). So is there a relation? Is this coincidence? Also the year 1609 is given in this game as the start of the rule of a certain and rather dubious Magician's guild (http://de.babelfish.yahoo.com/translate_url?doit=done&tt=url&intl=1&fr=bf-home&trurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wiki-aventurica.de%2Fwiki%2FMagiermogule_vom_Gadang&lp=de_en&btnTrUrl=%DCbersetzen). Maybe it's a warning not to touch Magick. Or (Hypothesis 2!) it tells me that I dealt with Magick in a past life?

Hypothesis 4 - The Skeptic Says: "Oh, Come On, It's All Baloney!"

Well ... I got carried away again. This is all nuts; I am nuts anyway. It was just a weird lucid dream without any meaning attached to the city name and year randomly given.

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So what is it? You decide.
:party:

Sinera
29th April 2012, 10:42 AM
29/Apr/2012
Groundhog Day (Movie) In The Portal

Opening remarks: The last lucidventure from a week ago really haunted me in a way. It felt like unfinished business and I don't like unfinished business. So I did a lot of affirmations and imprinting of "Punin" and "I bring the kids home", etc.

I even googled this video (http://vimeo.com/35678501) during my research last week. I watched it over and over again to make a visual imprint of the area. And just btw, isn't it rather strange that such a video of a guy transporting some kids with a bike in Punin exists, huh??? Yes, I know well that I will have go to an astral version of Punin and not the RTZ, but visualisation is useful anyway.

I decided I want to and can do this 'retrieval' or whatever 'test' it is (Be it 'real' or not - it's a test anyway, and the test is 'real' indeed). I wanted to do this and still want to. Problem is that I did not manage to do any kind of exit so far since then, didn't even come close. Tonight I took, almost in an act of desperation, Galantamine and B-Vitamins again. Here's what happened:

I exited ouf of my bed in my Astral Portal 4 times. The process almost repeated itself all the time. It felt like the Groundhog Day movie, going through it over and over again, but with slight variations. The visuals were always bad and shady. Two times, however, I could not see a lot, especially when I flew out of the window I was blind again. One time it felt like I had bandages or some kind of medical tape on my lower legs (from the feet up to the knee) of which I had to get rid first by unstrapping them, losing precious time thereby.

One time, I asked for a helper and a hand held my left arm (nothing unusual, though), but nothing really decisive happened. I forgot to try that technique for gaining vision (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=106081#post106081) which I was taught before by my guides.

My greatest problem, however, was to remember what I wanted to do. I had forgotten my target. I was fighting hard to recapture my memory, really hard, because I KNEW it was important. It is so frustrating to leave half of one's mind behind. So I was hovering there outside and tried and kept talking to myself 'I wanted to do sth imporant ... remember .. it was .... what was it .. it had to do with ... er ... well ... what?'

During the last of the 4 exits I must have made some progress as I remembered it had to do sth with kids. I then flew down into the garden. In this garden (still all was very dusky) I saw beautiful flowers that are not there in the physical. I don' even know if they exist in this world. Most of them were giant violet flowers, some with giant white petals.

Then I was in bed the 5th time and I finally remembered that I wanted to help 'retrieve' the kids and bring them to Punin. It was too late though. I now felt my physical body in my physical bed and woke up. Before that, still in half-sleep, upon forcedly waking up I told myself: "I won't give up. Tonight another try, and then another, and another.... I will make it. I did it before with Ronald (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=107565#post107565). And I made a promise now. Sooner or later I won't fail."

Comments / Afterthoughts

Well, at least the flowers were quite nice. :|

Korpo
30th April 2012, 05:54 PM
Groundhog Day-like repetition sounds a lot like a simulation. Maybe the flowers were a clue? Can't say what was to blossom, though...

Sinera
3rd May 2012, 11:30 AM
03/May/2012
The Light-Umbrella-Lady And The Graveyard

First I was unlucid in my lightportal with bright lights and there was a little flooding with water coming out of tubes in the walls. I then was in the living room downstairs, with hazy light at night again, and talked to a guy who seemed frustrated with his workplace (and told me he cannot pay any 'parking tickets'). I also seemed frustrated a bit as I had dreamt before about an old love of mine and told him about it.

Then he was gone and I became lucid. I decided to fly out of the window and reach Punin or the kids (yeah, I had not forgotten about it this time). Everything happened at night. I was in a city and asked some people if they knew where the lost kids were? I even asked in Spanish (assuming I might be in Punin already), they understood me but most did not answer coherently.

Then there is a memory gap. Still at night, I was in a park with a wide avenue or alley with trees. Again I asked some of the people but no real answer came from most of them.

Then I met a nice lady (middle aged, ca. 45-55 years) with an umbrella (folded and used as a stick) who came walking towards me. I asked her if she could help me to find the kids I am supposed to help and she was nice and smiled. I don't know what she answered but she then pointed at my head and said that sth was not right with my left eye-lid. She said she could help. Before I could react at all, she, always with a smile, backed up a little, hold up her umbrella with tip pointed towards me head. Then I remember a white light. I then told her to wait and said 'no, I have not time for this'. Then she was gone again.

I looked around as I was still in the same area and noticed while looking around me that behind me on the left (later also on the right) that there was a graveyard which I had not seen before. Nothing intimidating though, it even looked nice, like a park.

Then a tall man (possibly over 2 metres high, any basketball team would gladly accept him) came up to me. He resembled a buddy of mine from school but I then quickly realised it was not him. I asked him then if he could help me to find the kids or get to Punin. He said 'yes'.

However, he then entered a smaller part of the graveyard, different from mine. I had to climb on a little wall (ca 1 metre in height) in order to access his section of the cemetery. I remained sitting on this wall though, also did a deepening method by looking at my hands since I felt that my time might soon be up again. (Unfortunately I was right!). The tall guy kept on talking but I did not understand a single word he said. The only thing I understood was his first 'yes' and the sth about 'grave' in another word compound (gravine, grabine, graveen...). Then I blinked out and immediately awoke in my physical bed.

Comments / Afterthoughts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSNyiSetZ8Y

:?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSNyiSetZ8Y)

Korpo
3rd May 2012, 04:11 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

It might be more helpful if you forgot about pursueing old experiences in newer ones. It seems like you skip over new clues because you always revert back to the pattern of pursueing something else.

The clues in this one are several:

I recently mentioned giants for depicting spiritual "elevation." Now you meet a really tall guy...

Part of your adventure played out on a cemetery and the part of the communication was centered on something to do with "grave." The garbled part and that you could not recall most of the conversations means your nonverbal communication (NVC) is still developing. So this is not only about recall, but that untranslated communication doesn't carry over at all. From the two clues I would say that this might have been a visit to a stage of the afterlife (cemetery = place of the dead) and you might have learned something about it there from a guide.

The guide was probably testing you to see if any information could be passed on to you that you would recall. Even if you did not recall much it still might have helped attuning your senses a bit more by providing them more stimulation.

Developing your NVC skills is related to bringing your 5th and 6th chakras online. Somebody (the umbrella lady) offered you an attunement/healing (the light) in the facial area... The garbled communication also seem to be related to this. Learning to speak NVC is the answer, I think.

All in all, focussing on a certain idea in my opinion distracted you from taking advantage of the situation at hand, which had plenty to offer.

Sinera
3rd May 2012, 07:35 PM
It might be more helpful if you forgot about pursueing old experiences in newer ones. It seems like you skip over new clues because you always revert back to the pattern of pursueing something else.
The problem is I am seeking some 'coherence' with my lucidventures, therefore I put strong intent in them, before I go to sleep, before I exit but also (if I remember!) while I am "out". I did have some coherence, for example with Gálaca (and other helpers) lifting me out and making (mostly vision & communication) hand-in-hand exercises in the Lightportal. This happened quite a few times but does not happen anymore. I miss it somehow. I was hoping to be able to continue the task set recently: find the kids to bring them 'home' to this ecuadorian pueblo (in the afterlife zone).
Yes, if something new pops up and seems promising it is wrong not to pursue it. I should be more flexible. Well, after all, the overall "theme" of retrieval seems to be kept up with the graveyard experience, so there is still some coherence after all.


I recently mentioned giants for depicting spiritual "elevation." Now you meet a really tall guy...
I knew somehow you would comment on this now ;). However, I am still not willing (yet) to subscribe to the "tallness=spiritlevel"-theory completely. Most guides were not taller than me. And just take a look for example at my Blue Monk experience. This guy was small (even stubby and funny-looking like a cartoon figure). But of course, in this case we assumed that it was the blue skin that showed his spiritual status. This makes sense, also in view of his mentioning of 'hormones' then (probably he meant STH, which is the 'growth hormone' ;)).


Part of your adventure played out on a cemetery and the part of the communication was centered on something to do with "grave." The garbled part and that you could not recall most of the conversations means your nonverbal communication (NVC) is still developing. So this is not only about recall, but that untranslated communication doesn't carry over at all. From the two clues I would say that this might have been a visit to a stage of the afterlife (cemetery = place of the dead) and you might have learned something about it there from a guide.
Yes, I agree (see above). It certainly was this kind of area and thus we have overall-coherence.


The guide was probably testing you to see if any information could be passed on to you that you would recall. Even if you did not recall much it still might have helped attuning your senses a bit more by providing them more stimulation.
I hope so. But it is somehow a bit discouraging since it seems to be such a tedious and long process for me. I'll keep it going anyway.


Developing your NVC skills is related to bringing your 5th and 6th chakras online. Somebody (the umbrella lady) offered you an attunement/healing (the light) in the facial area... All in all, focussing on a certain idea in my opinion distracted you from taking advantage of the situation at hand, which had plenty to offer.
Yes, especially with regard to the umbrella-lady scene I completely agree. I did not write it above (as I did keep my comments section short this time ;)) but I immediately knew that it was a mistake. Actually, she started it and I might have gotten a little dose of it. (I 'saw' the graveyard only AFTER her treatment started, so maybe ... ). But I interrupted it too early since I had my 'set intent' an that one was still so obstinate in the back of my mind. Maybe I also lacked trust? She was very nice and I did not have any reason for distrust. Don't know what went wrong. Maybe I would need to get to her again for another and lenghtier 'treatment'...

Heck, meanwhile there are so many loose ends to pick up again from my ludicventures. I never seem to get anything done or really finished. :|

Korpo
3rd May 2012, 08:09 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Don't worry about getting things finished. You're basically running through a program to develop your energy body still, and the more your inner senses come online, the more coherent everything will become. Hints like "Punin" or other unresolved clues will be rendered into clearer communication, making deciphering what to do with them much easier and straightforward.

It took Robert Monroe quite a while to learn NVC in ever-increasing levels, and Kurt for example had his channeling experience to help him develop that energy translation skill before he embarked on the adventures he recorded in his books. In hindsight it might not seem that long, hard to tell now. You seem to be doing well.

Regarding the umbrella lady - there might have been an effect. I had a blind lady walk up to me and touch my third eye. In an instant I could see my body from within and nerve strands/energy channels light up in response in a complex fashion from where she touched me. This took no time at all. So, seeing the light might have been a clue for some effect taking place - how much is hard to tell. The added clarity/coherence afterwards might indeed be a hint that something happened, I agree.

Regarding the giants - some details will always highlight function, status and other things about anything you encounter. Your inner senses that pick up this information are one thing. Your rendering of a coherent picture of reality another. Ways to express these things will change, in fact become more subtle in the long run. In the end you will just recognise and know these things. In the meantime it can be really useful to review your lucidventures for clues regarding any such information to keep using both your inner senses and your ability to translate their information. According to Kurt even in hindsight inner sense information can be gained - he calls the phenomenon "after-the-fact lucidity."

Sinera
7th May 2012, 09:59 AM
07/May/2012
Nurses

Part1

I get out with a helper's hand but first see nothing again. I then hear her familiar voice. It is the same whispering soft female voice of the same helper I heard before. I did, however, this time not understand what she told me.
Then it seems I managed the exit again and the next I remember is that we were flying (as usual hand in hand) over the city. I look at the brunette girl and ask her if she is Gálaca, although I am sure it is another one. She says (as expected) "no". I then ask her for her name. A surprising answer comes:

"Nonsense." :whatthe:

I guess that wasn't her name but rather referred to my question.

She then also tells me that she had not been 'on duty' for a while as she was 'on sick leave'. :whatthe::whatthe::whatthe: Okay... aha, I see... sick leave ... in the non-physical you get sick (leave)???

I then try to remember where we should fly to, but it seems I again left great parts of my memory behind. The only thing I come up with is to ask for teleportation as I still have problems with 'controlled jumps', so I explain this to her. I suggest we 'jump' to a friend of mine and tell her his name. She then says to which location and mentions a city but I know he lives in another city. I need to do some research if my buddy has sth to do with that city to find out why she came up with that city.

Part 2

I don't remember if it was another projection (semi-lucid) or just a dream. Anyway, there is coherence since it was immediately after Part1 and this same 'nonsense'-helper girl that was flying with me was now sitting next to me while I was lying in the bed in a hospital room. She smiles. There are other patients, it is seemingly a 4-bed ward. Another blonde girl, a nurse, enters the room and looks for the patients. It might well be that my companion ('nonsense') was also a nurse.
The blonde one looks familiar. She might have treated me before (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11834-Programming-Experiment-4-Healing&p=96003#post96003) in a hospital. I get up from bed and walk towards her. She is nice and smiles. Then she tells me to let her lay her hands inside mine. It has some therapeutic purpose, but I don't remember more of this dream / projection.

Comments / Afterthoughts

This is confusing. Somehow, 'nurse 1' (the brunette, 'nonsense') is the one whose whispering voice I heard many times before in 'blind exits' but it is not Gálaca. Her 'sick leave' - could it have been a leave from her job where she is attending to the sick (as a nurse?). Or did she just have a vacation in order to concentrate on other projects? Something like that, I guess. Definitely, there was again a lot of miscommunication and misinterpretation from my side.

There is another girl whose voice I heard in projections, but not whispering, it might be Gálaca or another one again. I cannot say if 'nurse 2' was Gálaca, but I am sure it was the nurturing one from the dream above, so she is 'familiar'.

My helpers (some of them appear as nurses and monks ...) are consistent, but they keep taking turns, it's like they're working in shifts. They also seem to attend to many people, as is indicated by the ward situation with more patients. Seems I am not a private patient receiving exclusive treatment. :?

The hands-on-hands-therapy or energy exchange is strange. I have my strongest energy sensations in my hands anyway. One time, I thought it is the reason I should become a healer, but I am not so sure about this anymore. The sensations are almost constantly there, or I can produce them at will to come up immediatly. If I deal with or only think of sth metaphysical they 'switch on' automatically. It had been activated over night about 2 years ago after s.o. talked to me in dream- or subliminal state, although I had forgotten who it was, just remembered there was a conversation and s.o. told me to 'turn it on'. Maybe it had been her then after all?

Korpo
7th May 2012, 02:20 PM
Hello, Volgerle.

Well, being in a hospital room with four beds could mean your elementals were attended to - there's you as the human consciousness ensouling the elementals and the three elementals (etheric, astral, mental) in their own beds. You probably woke up in that environment to give you a hint of what is going with you.

If you encountered that helper before when having a nonphysical hospital treatment, she might be a helper focussed on energy body attunement/alignment. You need your elementals aligned to have higher plane adventures in consciousness (and indeed she accompanied you on one). Having your elementals aligned creates greater piece of mind (the quiet in a hospital) and health (hence the notion of treatment). The notion of sharing a room with your elementals is also interesting in this regard - if any of your elementals is acting out (because you "treat" it badly - don't attend to its needs) you won't experience peace of mind. One screaming for attention is enough to ruin your peace of mind (and access to the higher planes).

Sinera
7th May 2012, 07:48 PM
If you encountered that helper before when having a nonphysical hospital treatment, she might be a helper focussed on energy body attunement/alignment.
Sounds good to me as I have repeatedly asked for attunements 'from above'. :-) Hope it'll soon work out.

Sinera
13th May 2012, 01:58 PM
Nurses (7-May-12): Investigation Of The City Mentioned


I suggest we 'jump' to a friend of mine and tell her his name. She then says to which location and mentions a city but I know he lives in another city. I need to do some research if my buddy has sth to do with that city to find out why she came up with that city.

I did the research on the city and the results are, although not overly compelling, at least intriguing and 'interesting'. I checked with my buddy now via skype-chat while I also did some thorough geographical checks via Google maps.

Here my detective's work and reasoning step-by-step:

1) Real-Time Location

When I asked the helper I thought of my buddy's home appartment - but another city came up, which confused me. The dream was on Monday morning, later, almost before waking up. What I had not in mind then is that the helper was referring to my buddy's 'real time' location in the RTZ at exactly that moment. This might have been his workplace regarding the time and date.

However, the mentioned city neither fit his home location nor the big city where he works. Then, before I spoke to him, it also occured to me again that there he has a second workplace as 'field worker' in a nearby city indeed. My friend also works in a specific school on a project, he's not a teacher but rather has a kind of pedagogue/social-worker-mix post, working for integration of immigrant kids. He has an assignment at a local suburban school near his company. He is there approx. on 2 of 5 days in the week or so, but also irregularly including sometimes not at all for weeks.

When I asked him about it yesterday, he said that he has not been working there for quite a while during the last weeks but will now be there more often again. Then I explicitly asked him about "this week, Monday morning, May 7th" and he affirmed it! Yes, he has been to this school and not to his company's office on that day indeed, and of course, also in the morning. That's a little hit already, but what about the name of the actual location as opposed to the name given now?

2) School Location's Name

I 'heard' the helper say a name, let's call it "XX-Ville" for the sake of keeping it all anonymous. The German suffix used was "-heim", which is indeed used for many towns or villages. In English, it might be equivalent to sth like "-town" or "-ville" (hence my transposition as "XX-Ville").

The location of the school that my buddy now gave me was sth like "YY-Valley" and it did not fit the name I was given, at all. However, here comes google-maps into play! I checked and the city of "YY-Valley" is further sub-divided into 3 smaller suburban districts that are municipal communities in their own right. I found out that the district where the school is located has indeed a "-heim" = "-ville"!! So this part was right and is now verified, half a strike! Let's call it "XY-Ville" now.

So we have indeed "XY-Ville" as fact and "XX-Ville" as given for the real-time whereabouts of my friend at that time, of which I did not know then. The question: How similar are they? "-heim" / "-ville" was already a good hit, but to in all fairness it must be said that there are quite a few cities with the suffix "-heim" in Germany. Hence the suffix alone is not too convincing, let's compare XX- to XY-.

3) Phonetic Fast-Speak Mishearing Possibility

As I want to keep it anonymized it is a little difficult to 'transpose' but I will try to explain it as best as I can:

The astounding thing is that despite the difference between the factual "XY(-ville)" and the helper's mentioned "XX(-ville)" there is a possibilty of "mishearing" XY as XX.
First, both words have a g/k sound before the last part, so it is either "-g-heim" (factual) or "-k-heim" (misheard) respectively. In quick speech this does not make a great difference at all.
Furthermore, there is just one vowel before it which becomes in German fast speech almost identical: It is the -e- spoken like in the English word 'bet' and a -ö- sound that might be similar to the English 'burn'. Although if normally pronounced they are clearly distinctive, in fast, sloppy or mumbling speech, these vowels (at least in German) might become rather indistinct.
Moreover there is also a dominant and lengthening -r- sound after the respective vowels, leading to even more similarity between the words. What still does not fit is the initial consonant and the number of overall syllables, but it still becomes almost negligible in faster speech. Accentuation does not play a role here since both names have their word accent on the first syllable.

Of course, I am aware that this is all just a possibilty. However, data misinterpretation ("mishearing") in the non-physical is maybe even more common than in the physical. If you receive an unkown word you might internally compare it to the data in your own data banks / translation tables and come up with the nearest equivalent first. "XX-Ville" was indeed a city known to me. It's like, e.g., you receive the info "Bundon" and 'translate / hear' it as "London", or "Lanchester" as "Manchester", etc.
To sum up, there is indeed a striking similarity to the town's name given to me by the helper and the name of the town where my buddy worked at exactly this time (and which was not known to me, more on this below!) with the suffix as a direct hit.

4) My friend's missing knowledge / 'non-awareness' of "XY-Ville"

My friend denied any knowledge of or to have anything to do with or in my presumably misheard version, "XX-Ville". This is not surprising.
But what is notable is my buddy's state of having been almost unaware of the name "XY-Ville" although he works there. He only referred to the location by giving me the bigger city's name, "YY-Valley". When I asked him, after looking it up on google maps, if he knew that his school's district is called 'XY-Ville' it took him a while to confirm this. So he might have been unaware of it most of the time, as he only 'knew' it to be in "YY-Valley".

This is highly important if we consider the hypothesis that my friend might have mentioned the location of his school any time before (even months or years) to me. Then it might have been stored away in the depths of my subconscious memory and I could have retrieved it during the lucidventure, even though in distorted form ("XX-Ville" for "XY-Ville"). However, his mentioning of "YY-Valley" only proves to me that he never mentioned "XY-Ville" in conversations about his job to me, thereby ruling out the above-mentioned skeptical claim and increasing the possibilty of genuinely 'new' information for me.

Conclusion
The helper probably gave me new and accurate information pertaining to the situation in the Real Time Zone although I interpreted some words incorrectly, using my own translation table and picking out the nearest familar thing. The fact of my buddy working in that school after a long time again at the time (making an 'accidental' hit less likely) instead of being at home is correct since it was verified. The name of the city is indeed similar if fast or inarticulately spoken, thus allowing for a possible 'mishearing'. Furthermore, the factual location name was never known to me, nor was it in the conscious awareness of my friend who always referred to it by the main city's name before.
All in all, it's not a validation (not that I need one desperately anyway, I had some telepathic and precog validations before), but it's intriguing as some facts and similarities found out afterwards would be too coincidental otherwise.

Sinera
19th May 2012, 01:55 PM
19/May/2012
Red Galaxy Spiral & Talk With Former Buddy

The first part is a dream, the second from semi-lucid to lucid, but it is obviously a connected storyline and furthermore it relates to another lucidventure from a few weeks ago.

In dream state, I meet a former friend of mine, let's call him Jim, on the street in front of the house of his parents where he still occupies his old room when he visits home every now and then (I see his car when driving by, so I know). It is in the next street from where I live now. In the dream, he seemingly has an argument with his current girlfriend (which I only know about from another friend of mine, let's call him Steve). She seems to run from him (to where I am). It also looks like either he (or they) is moving in or out of his home, maybe that's where the issue lies. I cannot get a clearer picture though.

Then later, I am lying in a bed in this house, in Jim's room which I know of course from many years ago when I visited him often, still pals with him. It's not a completley lucid but a strangely 'vivid' experience. We're talking. I remember that he's also telling me about his girlfriend. I ask him about his girlfriend's name, saying that I have forgotten it again. He says it's "Jenna" (real name given). He also mentions a big city he wants to move to with her, or already lives there with her.

Then I am 'waking up' in another room. I ask myself (more lucid) 'what is this place? this is not my room!'. So it's a 'recognised false awakening'. Then I see a spiral moving again. But this time it is red. It is the same thing I saw 'in green' before (see below). This time I still see the room in the background though. Some other things are also recurring: I am feeling the sleep paralysis again. I also hear a voice singing, a male one, it might even be my own voice, but I just hear it singing and this time I don't start singing myself. Instead I do an affirmation (don't know why, maybe it is the colour red that inspired me) that can be best translated as:

"Love Reigns Supreme. Love Reigns Supreme. Love ...". Then I wake up.

Comments / Afterthoughts

From my friend Steve, who is still in touch with Jim, I know that he has a girlfriend with whom he lives together in a flat somewhere near 'that' big city mentioned. Although in the lucidventure I stated that I 'had forgotten' this is not right. I know for sure I was never told her name, neither the city where he lives with her (or intends to move to now?). Or maybe he is moving out as they separated? At least the argument seems to indicate this.

I will contact Steve now and ask him about these details. Maybe it turns out to be bogus data, but maybe I have another interesting validation at hand. "Jenna" or "Jennifer, Jenny" is definitely hard data to check on, the city mentioned is, too, but only secondary for me.

I do and did not have any contact to Jim himself for over a decade now. We fell out many years ago. I reconciled with an aspect of him (or just a thought form I created for myself) in the astral. An account of this is given in this not-so-long-ago lucidventure (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=108349#post108349). Then I concluded:

"The reconciliation with the old buddy is a good thing. I had thought about this some time ago when I met him in dreams more often, to do this in lucid state. It solves some 'karmic issue' within this life. Since my "Johnny Smith miracle" I know that anything is possible and maybe it will work in the physical now for us too, if there's again a telepathic element involved. Maybe it was arranged for me to tidy things up for me, like a few days ago with the mirror image self-healing. I need to get clean before I go out into the Astral to explore."

Somehow I have the impression that tonight I experienced a kind of "sequel" to that lucidventure. But why? Are we a step further after reconciling and now he seems to telepathically confide in me (again) with his private issues? It almost seems this way. However, I have other goals set and did not at all ask for this! Anyway, let's see what my research will produce, I'll post results here.

It should also be noted that I took Galantamine again tonight (still feel dizzy!). Hence, there's another interesting parallel to my other 'galaxy visualisation' experience - but not the only one!

Common characteristics and factors accompanying the galaxy visualisation experience (so far) are:

- Galantamine ingestion (after a sleep period of 3 hours and ca. 1-2 hours prior to the experience)
- sleep paralysis (waking up from sleep) and/or...
- self-perception / knowledge of lying in (a) bed (astral or physical, or both simultaneously)
- darker, blurry or no background visuals of the room
- spiral galaxy (brow center viewing) in a 'chakra colour'
- singing (and mantra) with emotion attached to it

When I asked Robert (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13235-Heart-Chakra-quot-spiral-galaxy-quot-in-mind-s-eye-trance) about the green one he then told me it is my third eye viewing my heart chakra's energy, quote (bold mine):

"If you have paralysis, then an OBE is already in progress. This makes it difficult to achieve an OBE exit... What you are seeing is one of a variety of phenomena relating to activity in the brow center, or Third Eye. This could as you suspect involve energy from the heart center. The song you were singing could also have contributed to this, particularly if it caused you to feel emotion which would have stimulated the heart chakra. The heart chakra produces green energy, but is not green in itself. (...) The traditional 'spinning wheel of light' is only one possible level of viewing."
- Robert Bruce

This leads me to another daring speculation (yeah, I like those): Jim was never a spiritual person at all. I don't know or remember his beliefs as we never talked about it (after all, we were young in our twenties :lol:...) but I assume he ranges from agnostic (not-interested-type) to materialist.

Materialists have underdeveloped energy bodies, involving of course also the chakras. Their lower ones might be working, e.g. their base chakra, but not the higher ones. Here's a link that Korpo gave me by Kurt Leland (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2010/201-meta-astral-and-meta-mental-bodies) writing about it. I've read a similar statement in a book by R.A. McKnight.

Moreover, Jim was (is!) an egotistic person, as many of his (former) friends can confirm. He also was driven by (lower) urges and impulses, including sexual ones. Don't get me wrong, I am not implying that he was/is a 'bad person'. He did have his positive and enjoyable aspects, I remember 'good times' we had. He was just a 'difficult' personage to deal with due to his basically utilitarian-selfish and instinctual behavioural patterns, as it were. This surely lead him to many clashes and break-offs with friends over the years (I can say for certain that I'm by far not his only 'ex' friend!).

So the big question is now: Did I 'sense' with my third eye the "1st chakra energy" of 1) Jim directly or 2) focus on my own base chakra because I had to somehow align to Jim's main energy in order to communicate with him telepathically :confused:

Sinera
21st May 2012, 11:42 AM
Jim & Girlfriend (19-May-12): Investigation Of The Name, Move-Out And Cities Mentioned

The e-mail correspondence with Steve yielded the following mixed results: 1 clear miss, 1 clear success, 1 inconclusive (but a probable hit if compared to other recent hints from dreams). So it's a draw with 1,5:1,5 or even a 2:1 victory ;).

1 miss:
The real name did not fit. It's not even similar to the first name I received, which rules out any "astral mishearing". Steve does not know her last name, however. So there is still a possibility due to a possible phonetic identity with a German last name. But I don't know her last name and neither does Steve (so far). His contact is not too close with Jim anymore.

1 hit:
Steve informed me that Jim had to move out of his current flat together with his girlfriend. They now found a new one in the same city. The reason: Their landlords needed the appartment for their own personal use, so they were forced legally to move out.
And now the move-out date and it's really awesome: 1. May 2012 !!! :clap:

I had no way of knowing about this. It's a hit. They've just moved out, in a way they are still moving out now. Steve also told me that they still are very busy with the new appartment, e.g. there's still the endless coming and going of craftsmen for renovations going on right now.
Maybe I misinterpreted the 'argument' with his girlfriend. The witnessed negativity, rush and tension of the situation outside the house was thus rather due to: 1) the stressful move and all the hassle that usually goes with it 2) the unwanted, forced move-out, or 3) both.

1 near-miss shot / inconclusive:

The city is wrong too. And still, there are some surprising matches in similarity and a hit from another dream.

First of all, they moved within the same city by the name of "Ko-xxx". The city I was given starts with Frank-xxx. However, the nearby city where Jim works for a company also starts with the same initial syllable Frank-xxx! These initial syllables are not that common in Germany, although one of the best known big cities in Germany (Frankfurt) starts this way. So I got the first syllable from where he works right, although I need to rule out a 'mishearing' of the second part as they are too different.

Secondly, only about 2 weeks ago (probably very near the date of 1 May!) I had a strange dream. My father was driving the car and we were passing a bridge and there was heavy rain. To the left and right of us was a sea. When we were reaching land again, a village in a mountainous area, there was also an aunt of mine and she somehow complained about "a barrier" in or around ... you guess it ... "Ko-xxx". Later and awake, I really wondered why she mentioned this city afterwards as I have no past or present connection to this place at all. It does not mean anything to me and I could not explain it. It's strange though that otherwise there is no hint to Jim in this dream at all. Just an accident?

Btw, there is another city starting with "K-" situated very near "Ko-xxx" and it is the location where a dream character recently invited me to pick him up (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13804-The-Kiss-Unknown-Friends-amp-Cinema-Dreams) from, to bring him to .... Frankfurt. It should be noted that one of the arguments between Jim & me many years ago was on carpooling arrangements.
http://th754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/Simon_Gardner/th_scratch.gif

1 re-consideration:

I need to revise this statement from below: "Are we a step further after reconciling and now he seems to telepathically confide in me (again) with his private issues? It almost seems this way. However, I have other goals set and did not at all ask for this!"

Re-thinking this, it seems to me that I initiated a telepathic connection by always driving past his childhood home on my way to or out of town. I then automatically thought of him. Once, I also thought of his girlfriend and even tried to imagine her looks and how it would be to meet and talk to them. So I might have 'invited' it by giving it 'thought power' somehow.

Sinera
23rd May 2012, 11:21 AM
23/May/2012
A Personal Astral Hell? / Training Simulation

I am singing 'I'm out of body now' and can exit with ease into my Lightportal. It does not deserve its name this time as it is dimmed and also it's night outside. I fly out of the window ("portal") and go straight up into the sky (it works!) as I remember my goal to get to that library (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=97390#post97390) again.

I am in a tunnel but it is mostly dark again. I re-affirm "library". I see suddenly symbols and numbers and globes. Then I see a lot of globes, it is all still in darker colours. I try to move on to the library or any upper level but I get the feeling this is not what I'm gonna head for. Seems this time I got 'redirected'. :?

Hands grab me, first I think they are helpers. All what happens next does not instill fear in me. I just observe and interact like in a play (as usual).
I seem to be dragged into a kind of city centre that looks like a fair, but then into a house by two people who are not helpers. Still, it is nighttime. One of the people capturing me is a woman and she says I need to be corrected as I have a 'sweet fold / wrinkle' (whatever that means?). They drag me to a kind of doctor and to what looks like a dentist's chair. I just say "no!" to them and have no trouble escaping their hold (still, no panic at all). As they also seem to have justified their 'corrective measure' with religion, I tell them smiling that they shall all be blessed but I don't need this.

Outside on the street, they again try to grab me as they have run after me (it seems) but I just escape them again by lifting off the ground. After that, I see a girl coming out of a house which is a 'woman's house' - but I don't know what this means exactly here. Possibilties range from a social institution (woman's shelter) to a brothel, actually. She enters a car or a taxi. While she is doing this she asks me if I have any drugs for her. I say "No, you should not use drugs and don't need them!". Then her 'taxi' drives off. On the backbench I see a strange being, half man half ... anything, don't know. It (he) seems to have dreadlocks though. The girl, might have had them too, btw.

Then I move on into a kind of zone where there are mansized board games on the ground (e.g. chess, checkers, etc.). As I cannot fly up (I see a ceiling like in the room where I live right now) I seem to understand it's for training and ask what I have to do/learn. However I then opt for a reading lesson. There's a mapstand and I try to decipher the writing on some cards. It works but I have by now forgotten what I read.

Then I seem off in the air again flying around those globes in dark space and suddenly some knowledge comes to me. It is explained (by whoever) that this first bizarre scene (the dentist, the girl) was 'a soul' I 'entered'. I also see then a middle-aged woman with spectacles being led out by s.o. into a more lighter area, She might have been "that" soul which I otherwise saw and entered as a 'globe' in dark space. I don't know (in retrospect) that I have helped to lead her out, I rather doubt it. But who knows, maybe the 'escaping drugaddict girl' or my own 'escaping' did have an effect?

Comments / Afterthoughts

As 'entering a soul' is such a strange concept, I take the liberty to re-interpret or re-word "soul" as "personal astral hell", at least then this bizarre lucidventure makes sense. Of course it was 'a soul' who created this 'world' for itself, so this isn't all wrong. Still it was a personal "hell", so this rules out a BST for me.

Maybe this was a woman who thought it was forbidden to do 'enjoyable' things due to some religious beliefs in her life? Maybe she had a bad conscience (e.g. she had taken 'drugs') and thought she deserved this 'world' to do pentance there - in a woman's shelter and occasionally being treated correctively by a religious priesthood of dentists? I cannot know. Maybe it was an actual helping or even retrieval situation, but a rather bizarre one!

In this connection: The night before, I had a dream. First there was a seminar where a role play was done with knife fights. I did not like it. Then I remember I was taking a shower in a school gymn (maybe to get rid of the bad impressions of violence?) and a friend came to me and asked me if I wouldn't like to join them in their 'important work' in the city of "Bregenz" now? I did not know this city before. It is located in northern Austria near the German southern border (http://maps.google.de/maps?hl=de&q=Bregenz&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl).

Now, If we take my country as a metaphorical reference and thus "north" and "south" as indicators for closeness to Source, such as Korpo suggested, then we find that this is so much "deep south" that it does normally not fall into 'my range' anymore ('abroad'). In other words: Was I in this way asked to help with work in Astral hell(s) for retrievals? Unless Bregenz comes up in another context again in physical reality for me (such as Ko-xxx did), this might be a valid hypothesis.

greytraveller
24th May 2012, 03:35 PM
Greetings Volgerle
The account of your most recent OBE is quite similar to many accounts of "retrievals". Could it be possible that those astral people mistook you for a lost soul and were trying to perform a retrieval on you?? Yes, it does sound strange yet stranger things Do happen in the astral, from time to time. Stranger things have happened to me anyways!?

Regards
Grey

Sinera
24th May 2012, 06:18 PM
The account of your most recent OBE is quite similar to many accounts of "retrievals". (..) Yes, it does sound strange yet stranger things Do happen in the astral, from time to time. Stranger things have happened to me anyways!?I still haven't made my mind up entirely on this one. It wasn't as clear-cut as I expected a retrieval to be and far different from e.g. my experience with retrieving 'Ronald'. But it seems I need to get accustomed to more bizarre experiences and the enhanced difficulties in interpretation. ;)


Could it be possible that those astral people mistook you for a lost soul and were trying to perform a retrieval on you??Yeah, in a way, they tried to capture and maybe 'keep' me. Maybe they also thought I was 'lost' and belonged to them. They might have lacked the ability to identify me as a complete incursion or 'antibody', but saw me as a lost member to be 'rectified' for having gone astray. If it was a BST/astral realm then they tried to imprison me in their BST. If it was 'a soul' (which I suspect) then these astral people were possible so-called aspects of this personality / soul acting in a self-created realm which I invaded. The outcome is the same.

Sinera
7th June 2012, 12:05 PM
07/Jun/2012
Punin II (The Circle)

Recently, instead of lucidventures (AP) I had some manifestations, synchronicities, even apparitions, and clairvoyant dream communication with my HS (giving me life advice) in the meantime.

[It's all too complicated and too much to write about, but let me mention just one synchonicity or manifestation (!) from two days ago: I was taking a walk in the forest (where I live now there is an adjoining forest next to our garden, it's beautiful). The word 'mouse' has a meaning for a life (job) decision now for me, I cannot explain it more now. During the walk, I had the idea that when I see a mouse now that it is an affirmative sign to make this decision. I did this 'affirmation' 20 minutes after I finished the walk. Only 3 minutes before I reached home, and I had not even thought about it anymore, 10 meters before me a very small animal hurriedly scurried across the path, very fast. It wasn't a bird and also too small for a squirrel. I only could have been a mouse or a rat. I don't know how it is in other forests, but the likeliness of having a mouse cross your way at all, and then only within 20 minutes after making an affirmation as to this ... well, it's very low in the woods of my country (unless you have a plague of rats like in Hameln (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pied_Piper_of_Hamelin) ;)). Simply amazing.]

Anyway, here's from tonight: I took Galantamine and B-Vits again. After exit, I was wasting some time in the astral garden around our house before the idea of 'Punin' thankfully popped into my mind again. I was in the driveway to our garage, facing the street. I turned around and called out for the kids to be taken to Punin. A second after that two Latin-american looking kids came down the garden stairway. The same ones I saw when I was given this task (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=110339#post110339). They were however accompanied by adults looking European.

I told the kids to take me by the hand, one on each hand. However, I don't remember if I had them next to me then as I did not pay attention to them anymore, or they simply had vanished (?). I rather dealt with the European persons. Suddenly they seemed even more. One was a middle-aged blonde lady with spectacles whom I probably remember from another dream when she was a teacher in class. There were then 3-4 others. I then assumed that these were all persons that want to be 'taken to Punin' by me. I then proposed that we make a circle with our hands grabbed, and it seems they all did.

Then I told them that I count down from 3 to 0 and then close our eyes and we will land in Punin on the middle spot of that sports ground I knew from that Punin video of my research (http://vimeo.com/35678501) (exactly in the way I had planned to do this before). Then one of the adults to my left, a sturdy and muscular man with a bull neck, asked again for confirmation: "Three?". I said: "Yes, from three."

Then, just before I wanted to concentrate, close my eyes and initiate the 'jump' to the Punin sports field, another man joined the ring of hands, opposite me. He looked at me and I faced him. Could be that his face looked a bit similar to a guide of mine, but not sure. This, however, then irritated and confused me again, also since I was about to lose time. I then tried again to concentrate. But alas ... It was too late! I blinked out of the scene and was waking up!

Not believing and annoyed that I was removed from the scene exactly at this precise moment I did, as an act of defiance, the counting down nevertheless, lying in my bed almost awake. Maybe I was hoping to have sent them on the way anyway. Disappointing, to say the least!

Later in my dreams I remember that I was in a city of a Spanish-speaking country. I was sitting in a room with foreign people again. There was a religious service held, maybe even a funeral mass. However it did not look like a chapel and there was no coffin or so. (Later, I had other dreams of a funeral, too). A very old lady next to me complained to me that she did not understand the language. Later I was in the city of this Spanish or Latin-American city looking for something (maybe for a way home?).

Comments / Afterthoughts

Cliffhangers! I already wrote about them here before. Every time something decisive is about to happen ... I wake up. This is so unfair and frustrating! :mad:

I don't know if the dreams in the hispanic city are connected to my failed (?) Punin retrieval attempt. Maybe, maybe not. The other funeral, btw, was from a former bass player of my band. I remember this bass player once telling me about a very long vacation trip to Mexico. But again, this is an over-interpretation.

Who were these adults? The bull neck guy might have looked a little latin-american after all, but the others were clearly more European. This does not make sense unless they were teachers helping me. But to what end? I was the one that wanted to help s.o. now. :shrug:

Another possibility is that they were actually the retrievers from the other side, after all. This would mean that by closing the circle including the 'kids' the connection was made. But why did they come after them down the garden stairs in the first place? Weren't they already 'together' then before?

Be that as it may, it remains frustrating as I did not 'make it' with them to Punin, at least not in lucid state. This one remains inconclusive, just like the other 'retrieval' above.

Korpo
22nd June 2012, 10:46 AM
Actually, waking up at the moment a transfer to another location is supposed to happen does not necessarily mean you did not arrive. The only certain thing is that you have no recall of arriving!

Assuming your ident "Punin" is a nonphysical location, it might well be of higher vibration and you might not have been successful in downloading that memory.

The other thought that comes to mind that while you may have believe you were to take these people somewhere, linking hands with them (and thus establishing contact with their consciousness) might have enable them to take you somewhere - which seems likely as they seem to be guiding figures.

There's still the possibility that your idea of where to go and theirs was at odds, and this might have aborted the whole thing.

Sinera
29th June 2012, 04:25 PM
Actually, waking up at the moment a transfer to another location is supposed to happen does not necessarily mean you did not arrive. The only certain thing is that you have no recall of arriving! Assuming your ident "Punin" is a nonphysical location, it might well be of higher vibration and you might not have been successful in downloading that memory.

Yes, this is possible. And maybe I am currently receiving support and teaching lessons on how to achieve this (or to keep the memory of it) next time.

In a dream tonight, I was given (as a gift to keep) three books by an older brother of a buddy of mine. This guy is a kind of fitness / health coach and owns a gymn (workout studio). In the dream (non-lucid) I thought all the time that it had to do with healing. Then he told me about the first book that it was to show me "where to deliver / bring them". He was indeed referring to my 'patients' or at least to persons I was somehow in charge of. I thought then (still in healer and dream mode) this was a kind of directory or index of places for hospitals or emergency stations.

He then also explained the other books to me that had more content (not just a list of places) but I forgot what it was exactly, just relating them to my healer studies in general. They were all very coloured.

So, considering your comment above regarding 'location' jumps and also taking into account the act of 'delivering s.o.' to some place, I now rather suppose this was about retrievals. This guy also has a kind of 'real-life'-connection to Ronald (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=107565#post107565), my first retrieval (simulation). As he is also a "health" coach it might still have to do with healing, but the phrase above stands out too much for me. Maybe it's both?

After all, being a non-physical helper is being a ... well, yeah ... helper in the first place. Any retrieval might involve some kind of healing (or a direct given healing even) and vice versa. Right?

If this all were true, then I hope that the books are still with me ("in" me) and maybe that it is a kind of energetic or informational zip-file (rote, compressed download) that might help me to navigate better on retrieval (taking people like myself to other places) or healing assignments?

Recently there's also much more learning and progress for me. More than I ever thought possible, before. In recent weeks some of my dreams bear a striking consistency. I've been a lot to the university, the same one I went to as a 20/30-something. I've been there before in dreams, too, but as of late it's really almost every night.

Now it seems there I have 'finished' a Spanish course because in one dream in class I (and others) even received from the teacher a certificate and a money grant. I have (due to lots of clues) reason to interpret the Spanish course as referring to healing somehow.

Then, after the Spanish certificate reception, I had dreams about taking a French course at the same university, which is a way more difficult language for me. So I might have taken up a new (and more complex) subject now? I often find myself in class speaking/hearing words in French (like in Spanish) before or I'm reading some sentences, doing exercises (e.g. filling gaps for missing words) on a blackboard asked by the teacher or on a piece of paper. But very often the meaning and my abilities then escape me again very fast (or ... the memory of it?).

So it makes me wonder what does French stand for now?

Well, one hypothesis is maybe past life research or aspect retrieval. I consider the 2 Punin kids to be a part of this, too. As I wrote here a while ago, I heard "Sinera's" voice in German with a French accent (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=109362#post109362). I had the same French-lady voice in another recent dream on the phone again, telling me that a guy called "Felix" would like to speak to me...
http://th754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/Simon_Gardner/th_scratch.gif

To sum up, I seem to make progress, at least in dream state, as I continously manged to read/write/speak some stuff in a foreign language in dream class now.

Maybe I am even being prepared for sth? Maybe I am to do retrievals now. I have some other hints as to this in dreams. It seems there are people who come to me asking me to do sth like this or giving me clues. But it's all too much to write on now.

Moreover, I seriously wonder where this will lead me to. Will I end up enrolling for a course in Chinese, Arabic or Old Latin one day?
:roll:;)

Korpo
30th June 2012, 09:47 AM
My assumption would be that the books are indeed energy information packets. Their content will unfold within you when it's time.

The language classes are quite probably classes in learning nonphysical communication. The difficulty seems to increase, and you seem to symbolise that by learning different languages.

Sinera
30th June 2012, 01:31 PM
The language classes are quite probably classes in learning nonphysical communication. The difficulty seems to increase, and you seem to symbolise that by learning different languages.
That's a very good theory indeed. It's so much about learning communication and interaction anyway.


My assumption would be that the books are indeed energy information packets. Their content will unfold within you when it's time.
I hope the time for it to become unpacked will arrive soon. :-)

Speaking of info-packs, here's another likely candidate from tonight. It's meaning occured to me this morning only after I rememberd the 'preps' I did prior to going to bed. But here's the dream first:

Dream:

I am with a dream girlfriend, a blonde girl. We are visiting (for the first time?) my sister who lives upstairs in my parent's home. She leads us into her living room. She then leaves a short while for the kitchen, so my GF and I are for a while alone to wait there.
Then my GF does sth very surprising. She hurries to my sister's computer, turns it on and types sth in there. I assume that maybe she just wants to retrieve her emails or do sth harmless. Still I don't like it and don't understand it. It is a strange behaviour as it's not her computer and she did not even really know my sister before. Of course, I tell her to stop it. I'm embarrased and confused.
This GF, however, is very determined and finishes her job of typing in a few sentences. I do not see the screen and don't know what she does there. After a few seconds of typing sth in she gets up from that desk again, just in time before my sister arrives again from the kitchen.

Last night's pre-sleep preps:

In another forum we had a discussion on telekinetic effects of etheric projections, e.g. causing raps (Sylvan Muldoon also wrote about this in his books). Also there are studies by people moving physical things in their rooms in dreams.
I had the (crazy :wacky1:) idea to try communication with my HS via this. I left on the laptop on my desk. During the last days I focussed my intention on past life research again, especially on Sinera aka Lady In Red. I put up a document and let it open during the night. The document contains the basic data queries I have, with the curser (here marked with a | sign) blinking already on the first answer to be filled in by my subconscious retrieving ("knowing") the data. So it looks like this (gaps to be filled with underscores):

Lady In Red / Sinera:

Year Of Birth: |____________
City: ____________
Full Name: ____________
Country: ____________

Of course, this morning nothing was written there. But maybe I was given another pack instead of exactly the data asked for tonight? I just need to find a method to somehow retrieve and 'unzip' these 4 data points possibly now lying dormant 'downloaded and zipped' in my subconsicous now?

It should also be said that where my sister's desktop computer stood in the dream is the almost exact place where my laptop now stands in my temporary refuge (of my parent's home), just one floor beneath it, downstairs. So my laptop is just a few metres away from and exactly 'below' the 'dream computer' which presumably my HS typed sth into.

Hmmmm ... :cool:

ps1. I will keep trying this leaving the laptop / document open again another night, let's see what happens
ps2. as it was an eventful night there's still another lucid dream and a projection to the lightportal to come

CFTraveler
30th June 2012, 05:13 PM
In another forum we had a discussion on telekinetic effects of etheric projections, e.g. causing raps (Sylvan Muldoon also wrote about this in his books). Also there are studies by people moving physical things in their rooms in dreams. That's interesting. About ten years ago we had a thread about it called "Things that go bump in your head" that got removed in a prune. Which is too bad, because we had some interesting theories about energy body expansion and the effects it could have in the surrounding space, especially with wooden framing and glass windows.

Sinera
30th June 2012, 05:53 PM
That's interesting. About ten years ago we had a thread about it called "Things that go bump in your head" that got removed in a prune. Which is too bad, because we had some interesting theories about energy body expansion and the effects it could have in the surrounding space, especially with wooden framing and glass windows.

Here's one of my posts about this (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/is_obe_been_proved_scientifically-t37667.0.html;msg308908#msg308908) (see also Sxaxx' before that and the bookmark link to the passage of Muldoon's book), actually the discussion spread across several threads for me.

Below is the key thread for me which is about my own "etheric projection". Some things are now much clearer for me from this thread thanks to the user "todd...." who has some really interesting contributions (http://http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/etheric_projection_and_kundalini_symptoms-t37565.0.html;msg308121#msg308121). He seems to be a highly proficient 'etheric projector' with amazing results. Actually he seems to do hardly anything else.

Maybe you remember it. It was my first conscious OBE, as written down here in this journal first. This thread is also the reason why I recently asked Robert (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13999-Etheric-Projection-related-to-Kundalini-symptoms) about it to get another expert opinion, since I assume Robert did or does a lot of etheric exits, too.

Finally, I have a viable theory for me personally which solves the conundrum of this event that almost 'tore me apart' in November 2009. I had been wondering about til this very day, since it was so way different from the other projections. The Etheric Body projection hypothesis explains it all pretty well for me. Still, I am curious what Robert will answer, too.

ps: Btw, CFT, speaking of the Pulse ... you could join again, as Rudolph did (actually was asked to) leave

CFTraveler
30th June 2012, 05:59 PM
I may, but not soon.... believe it or not, I've been so busy I haven't got the time to participate. Lol @ the tiny font.

Sinera
30th June 2012, 08:33 PM
30/Jun/2012
Elementaries? Fairies? Cute 'Negs'? Or What?

I had the usual to-and-fro-show tonight with a lot of projections into exit blindness, with hands helping me, oftentimes grabbing me at the wrists, sometimes hard, but hey ... I had asked for help so I didn't complain. As said it always ended up in exit blindness, then back to bed and another try, this happened a few times.

It was two helpers this time. Then at one time they seemed to be sorry for grabbing me too hard and caress me then over the same spot on my arm - as if to say sorry, that was actually very sweet (I still was blind so it's all about sensations). So I know they wanted to help (at least help me „out“) and were helpful, harmless beings who appeared friendly, probably even fond of me.

Another time, when one of them took my hand I noted that the inner palm of their hands was somehow a little 'hairy', but not entirely, just the middle. This made me suspicious. Do I deal with astral apes this time? It might have been, however, also just wrong tactile interpretations. My own palm area in the middle is highly energetic, so probably my etheric/astral body's palm, too, therefore I don't know for sure what I felt.

Then, I had enough after 3-4 unsuccessful exits and no affirmations working to get vision. Also all the time I kept speaking affirmations for 1. vision and 2. to meet my HS, but it did not help. So I asked them if I should really concentrate hard now on seeing them this time before they lift me up again. From both 'helpers' I heard sth like „yes“ or „u-huh“ (as exclamation for the affirmative). Both were male voices. And again ... I really 'heard' them, just like I had heard Gálaca speaking to me before.

Then it finally works. I am in the lighted portal (as usual) and see my two helpers, happy to find they were human-looking, after all. They first looked like some old buddies or school mates, then they changed shape, smiling at me and appearing happy all the time. It was as if they suddenly sensed what I probably 'wanted' (?) them to look like. However, their change might have taken place only after I remarked on their looks (e.g. I said to one: „Hey, you look a little like an old school buddy of mine“).

So then they looked like attractive females. I ask them for their names. One is a blonde one and she rattled off a longer name which was however not processable at all for me. It sounded Spanish somehow. I heard a syllable -ira- and thus decided to call her „Ira“ (and no, it wasn't Sinera, btw!).
Then I turned to the other beauty who had darker hair. She seemed to be posing a little as I looked at her, waving her arm in the air in an act of vanity, but all very likeable, and well ... yes, ... sweet. She said she is called „Pshirr“ or so. This is just my attempt of an adequate phonetic transposition of this word into written English. I don't remember more of it, maybe I faded out of it again.

Comments / Afterthoughts

So far I haven't dealt with negs intellectually. By this I mean that I never read at length any threads or books on negs or psychic self-defense. I do however know about some basic precautionary protection stuff (e.g. crystals, affirmations, positive attidude), etc. That does not mean that I did not have neg encounters in projections or dreams (nightmares) before, at all. I did, but they hardly ever frightened me, to be honest. Also the extent is almost entirely negligible when compared to the amount of my neutral or positive lucidventures. It is also one of my strategies of preventing negative experiences by not giving them too much thought. So far, it works, mostly.
:thumbsup:

In this case, if they were negs at all, it is the kind I'd actually would like to meet once in a while. ;) However, I assume them to be above all so-called 'elementaries' of the astral or even of my own creation, which is highly likely. I remember Korpo writing sth about elementals as equivalent to animals that are our own more or less controlled aspects created by desires and passions from astral matter, iirc?

And maybe there is a reason why this happened now: Recently, I had also some astral sex experiences in a 'vivid' dream as well as in a projection a few days later. I did not want it consciously then, but the astral body or some aspects seem to be quite of a force sometimes. (No, I did not write about it here and I won't :oops:;)).

Maybe this created or attracted these fairy-kind beings that turned into helpers and tried to please me now? They were so happy and delighted when I finally saw them. They were certainly also shape-/gender-shifters as they had male voices before I saw them and also other appearance before I remarked on it. They really seemed keen on not only helping me but even pleasing me somehow. They seemed respectful or even a bit afraid of me. All in all they appeared to be of a rather harmless nature.

Besides, their elementary and probably "animallike" nature might already have been 'sensed' by me in blind state by the 'hairy palm'?

I am currently reading also Franz Bardot's IIH and just yesterday evening read what he wrote about what he calls astral elementaries. Maybe that's not a coincidence now? As his work is available online, too, here's the quote of the relevant passage. Note that he or the translator calls these astral entities 'elementaries' and not 'elementals', which are according to Bardon their "higher equivalent" on the Mental plane. Or are they even 'larvae' also described here? I hope not, because that sounds more problematic to me:


"Besides, the astral plane is inhabited by many other beings of which I am mentioning only some species here. There are to so-called elementaries, entities with one or only very few qualities, according to the dominant vibrations of the elements. They are living on the similar vibrations proper to man and transmitted by him into the astral plane. Among them, there are some which have already reached a certain degree of intelligence, and some magicians are using these low-powered beings for their selfish purposes. Another kind of being is the larvae, which have been brought into life consciously or unconsciously, by intense sensorial thinking, through the astral matrix. They are not real beings, but only forms thriving on the passions of the animal world, on the lowest step of the astral level. Their instinct of self-preservation carries them into the sphere of those men whose passions are responsive to them. They will try, directly or indirectly, to raise and kindle the passions slumbering in man. If these forms are succeeding in seducing men to give in to their suitable passion, they are feeding and thriving on the emanation of this passion produced in man. Man laden with many passions will attract a host of such larvae in the lowest sphere of his astral plane. A great fight takes place and, in the problem of magic, this fact plays an important role. More about it is to be founding the chapter dealing with introspection. There are also other elementaries and larvae, which can be produced in the artificial magic way." - Franz Bardon, IIH

What baffles me is that this happens occasionally exactly when I make affirmations for my Higher Self. Why that? This is definitely not my HS. It's not the first time that a semi-erotic encounter then takes place instead. See my encounter with Galaca (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=100388#post100388) and or the „sexy Higher Self (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=99996#post99996)“.

I am a bit disappointed as I feel this 'elementary' stuff is keeping me from spiritual development. I cannot imagine meeting my HS means having sexual encounters. I also always thought that the "Lightportal" is my kind of 'inner sanctum' that cannot be trespassed by lower-vibratory energy or entities. But who knows, maybe it's all about learning experiences. Anyway, I decided that from now on I will do my exits 'alone' without any helping hands.

CFTraveler
30th June 2012, 08:43 PM
I think in this instance your subconscious may be taking things a little too literally and serving up a different type of experience than the one you desire- it occurred to me that in English the word "intimacy", at least in colloquial usage can be used to mean either 'knowing each other completely and without barriers' or 'sexually'. So when you are desiring a more intimate relationship with your Higher aspects, your subconscious may be interpreting it differently and giving you a sexual encounter with your anima. Of course, I don't know if this is the case in your native language, but it can happen in English.
Either that or there is some sort of barrier that has to do with your relationship with the opposite sex translating into your relationship with your nondominant hemisphere.
Anyway, it's a thought.

Sinera
1st July 2012, 12:19 PM
I just need to find a method to somehow retrieve and 'unzip' these 4 data points possibly now lying dormant 'downloaded and zipped' in my subconsicous now?
Update from tonight, probably relevant dreams: 1. I was in the cellar and leafing through my old baby photo album, then was looking for further pics in a kind of licence holder, but there were none (yet) / 2. I was on a kind of training ground and tracing back the route gone before in my own footsteps on a kind of training course with obstacles and blocks of different heights to step/climb/jump on, at one time there was ice on the ground and I could see my footsteps even better, I stepped into them as well as next to them sometimes and then felt the snow's gnashing resistance. Nice sense experience.

Korpo
1st July 2012, 06:52 PM
Training ground sounds like you're retracing simulations you've completed in the past.

Sinera
1st July 2012, 08:03 PM
Training ground sounds like you're retracing simulations you've completed in the past.
Yeah, that's possible. It looked also a bit familiar or at least similar to other dreams of this kind. Here I was just trying to find a connection to my current strong intention, past life data retrieval, and viewed it as a kind of metaphor: going back 'in (my) time(line)', same with the baby foto album, too.

Korpo
2nd July 2012, 07:50 AM
Sounds good to me. Seems like you're in "review mode" - making sense of past experiences to extract the learning from them and make sense of your life story so far.

Sinera
2nd July 2012, 11:19 AM
02/Jul/2012
The Diabetic Public Health Offical

I am lucid and standing in a familiar street about 50 metres away from a house where I shared a flat with friends during my university times in the 90ies. I take off for a flight to this house, I try to keep my vision focussed on it. However, the house changes more and more the nearer I come. This disburbs me first as I really wanted to practice focussing and stabilizing visuals, but then I accept the change.
When I finally land before the entrance area it has turned into a little office with glass doors. I go inside and there's a man. I remark that he wears similar glasses than me. He looks at me with a very 'perusing' gaze, looking me straight in the eyes.
I seem to sense this is a simulation or a test and declare myself ready for it asking him what I am to do or how can I help here. He then tells me that I should (literally) 'measure his sugar (levels)' while he shows me a stop watch that has the seconds running up. I know that he wants me to find out his blood glucose levels. I reply, knowing that for this I would need to take a quick blood or urine sample from him, that I cannot do this just with a running stop watch. (I knew in the dream that this would be useful for pulse measurement only. Tachycardia can of course be a symptom of acute hyperglycaemia, but it is never a sole diagnostic factor as a high pulse can of course have a multitude of possible causes.). The simulation ends with this.

Surrounding Dreams:

The Mailwoman, The Parcel And The WHO
I am at home and the doorbell rings. There is a beautiful postwoman outside and she hands over a parcel to me. It is pyramid shaped, but with 3 sides only and rounder edges. I do not remember if this had to do with the parcel's content, but the woman also then shows me a kind of thin red string (presumable cotton thread). And she attaches it to her arm and then herself with it to one of the bathroom window grates, laughing. I do not remember what was talked about. joke with her that she should take care if she does not get away from here anymore.
Generally, I seem to want to flirt with her and go on with the friendly chat (no content remembered though). Then there is a guy next to here who turns out to be her boyfriend, because then they kiss each other. First I'm a little disappointed but go on with making conversations with both of them.
Later they are even in my flat and we talk about job life. I tell them that I do not want to wear business suits anymore and prefer casual wear on my work. They say that's okay. I see then myself in a huge green woolen pullover I used to wear years ago (still have it). I ask the guy what he does as a profession and he somehow mentions the WHO (World Health Organisation).

The Laptop
I am at home as a schoolboy and do not want to go to class today pretending to be sick. I argue with my mother but then decide to go. I seem to have taken my car and am then at a roadhouse sitting at the bar. On the bar there's my laptop and I try to take it with me because I want to leave for school now. I then notice it is still plugged in and get a little bugged by it. I then get around the bar to unplug it and leave.

Reading Messages In Class
I am in class and I see I have done a lot of homework as I take out so many papers. I am also more confident in class than before. I used to be more shy as a school boy in class. The teacher (a real one I had in school) asks me sth and I reply. Then I get a piece of paper from him. There is sth written by him and also sth added to it by one of the female school mates. I look at it and am able to read the sentences to me completely! The teacher wrote (rough translated from the German handwriting): „Thanks. My job is okay. Sometimes it gets a bit annoying, but in general it's fine." The girl's handwritten sentence goes sth like this: „You have changed and things have changed for you, didn't they?“.

Comments / Afterthoughts

The Lucidventure:

A simulation without doubt. The interesting thing is that this could even be a preparatory exercise for a test in my physical life. If you want to become a licensed naturopath / alternative medical practicioner in my country you need to pass the official test (first written and then oral) with the authorities. The practical test is done only when you have passed the written (multiple choice) exam. You are then tested by a real doctor (Public Health Officer) who asks you questions and lets you perform practical examination measures for diagnosis. I've been told many of them also like to 'play the patient' then pretending some symptoms for you in a 'simulated' anamnesis test situation. So this was highly relevant. The PHO was a sham diabetic only. Should not make me wonder if 'my' PHO then testing me at some point in the future will look similar to this guy (also remember the scrutinizing gaze!). But maybe it was also done to check my reasoning and analytical skills in the astral. On whatever level I don't know if I passed the test.

The dreams:

Mailwoman: Again I have been given another 'packet'. This time I suppose it could have to do with my healing path (WHO) or even more specific with Reconnective Healing, as shown by the girl's reconnecting herself to that grid. In RH, there are said to be 3 interrelated levels of reconnecting: 1. body acupuncture meridian lines; 2. Earth's leylines / crystal grid; 3. universal 'axiatonal' lines. I wonder if that's what the 3-sided pyramid was about too?
Other possibilities, as Dream Moods says this (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=pyramid): "To see a pyramid in your dream symbolizes longevity and stability. You have built a solid foundation for success. Alternatively, the dream suggests that major changes will occur over a short period of time." That's at first glance almost contradictory. Still, both could apply (hopfeully). First the change(s) in order to build sth successful with longevity and stability?

Laptop: If there is one progress in metaphysical discplines for me than that I've become a very good dream programmer. So I already knew that the laptop itself would come up soon in my dreams (see posts above for Sinera data retrieval). That was fast! After the dream computer 'from above' in the first night, this is a huge successs already in the second night.
I might have made a grave mistake though by pulling the plug instead of turning the notebook on. Maybe I would have seen the screen with the document as I had prepared it .. filled in ???? Anyway ... next time!

School reading: Being able to read an entire sentence (2 actually) is for me a huge success. And maybe I am being trained in this skill also because I've been requesting it for a long time and also specifically now for my past life data 'reading' attempts. Moreover, again another reference to a change for me, in me, with me. Very interesting.

Korpo
2nd July 2012, 03:29 PM
"Sugar" probably was "energy" instead. The closest to "energy levels" in the body are probably "sugar levels" (bio-electricity aside). In a nonphysical scenario energy would make more sense, anyway. So, your NVC translations are getting closer, I think.

The major progress I see in this simulation is the fact that you give up a preconceived goal and deal with the phenomenon at hand. This is a major step ahead for you! Improving visuals might not be as important at this point as realising that traveling and seeing something are actually only interpretations of energetic changes, anyway. When you gave up being so literal about it "I am flying through the nonphysical and see something" you shifted to where you needed to be.

This and asking that guy what you are to do here are major shifts ahead for you as you deal with the situation at hand. This is the best attitude to have when being subjected to a simulation. 8)

Sinera
3rd July 2012, 09:24 AM
Tonight, another relevant dream for my "Sinera project":

Transferring Numbers In Class:
I'm in a math class in a test. I am not performing well and behind the others as it seems. The teacher says the time is up now and I am not finished. Actually I do not do any calculating but I have a little mini-encyclopedia book with me to look up the results and add them to the test paper. That is some cheating but no one seems to care. I then do again some checks and corrections and compare the numbers, also as they are again on another paper to check.
Some of them are right so I have some things correct. Still, I am not as fast as the others and couldn't finish the test which frustrates me, also since I know I am not good 'at numbers' and I do also see not the sense in learning this as I will not need it later in 'real life', so I think. I then turn around to the class who all are now handing in the test to the teacher and say to all of them more or less agitated that this does not make sense and who needs this BS anyway?
Then the class mate sitting next to me, a girl, tells me what she already does with it and that it can be useful indeed. I do not understand or remember what she told me though. Then another class mate (a taller woman, also older, mid 40ies or so) gets up from her table and waves to me, smiling. She then explains how she's used it already. She shows me a big bath towel. There is two numbers on it, a 10 and a 20 (on the other side or not I don't know). It might have been also a kind of banknote motif (such as a Euro or dollar bill).
She also had a dog which I am then patting on the head. The dog then starts talking and I am surprised. The other laugh as it is normal they say.

So actually this was more like a number-recognising class than maths. So I did not cheat at all, although I was then thinking it. This exercise makes sense as I also need to read the Year of Birth for Sinera, not only words. And we all know, that numbers tend to flicker in the astral and it's a really tricky thing to get them right. It demands a lot of practice I suppose.
The other students (class mates) might have certainly been more advanced and lucid as it seems. But at least I was/am in this class and might learn / have learnt from their wisdom already. Hopefully. :?

Korpo
3rd July 2012, 01:39 PM
I think you're taking this one too literal. Maths as a symbol is often used to portray any topic "too abstract and complex to understand fully," which is aligned with most people's discomfort with having to do math. That this is indeed the way you use this symbol is shown by your reaction within the dream - you show your aversion for maths, basically confirming that this symbol means something for you that is pushing your boundaries of understanding. I had many nonphysical maths classes and tests and none of them had much to do with numbers, ultimately.

It is normal that when a new concept or skill is barely grasped that one cannot apply it to one's life, occupation or a situation. This only comes with experience. Learning to play a C chord on the guitar does not give one the grasp of the many uses it has or the many ways it can be involved in harmonies - though without learning to play it, you cannot make use of it. The other people in the classroom demonstrate this by demonstrating that they found uses you cannot imagine as of yet. Just consider it to be a basic lesson that others and experience will build on.

Much of the remaining symbolism seems to be not clear enough to interpret much from it. Further developments in nonverbal communication and symbol translation will probably yield clearer experiences.

Sinera
3rd July 2012, 04:56 PM
I think you're taking this one too literal.
Normally I'd agree to this. I am just hoping that it is still a little about 'real' numbers recognition since I had (after all) set my strong intention on reading a date (year) in this case. Past life data or akashic data about Earth life is somehow 3D data still, in a way. But of course in between it might be transferred rather differently, it is maybe only retrievable by using a language beyond comprehension or symbolism to be learnt. I also remember RB writing about the records in AD and those many strange symbols to fight with when interpreting it. Well, still I hope a little to see 'the real' number and that the lessons are also tailored for me to achieve this feat (amongst other things).

Also, trying this ... it's fun for me. I am really deeply fascinated by the chance of regression and "past" (other) lives, so that's why I (have to) try it. In regressions people also retrieved detailed data, such as names, addresses, dates. Some of it even got verified later on. But of course it is another method. And AP isn't an exact 'science' and art as e.g. Remote Viewing either, I know.

However, I just have to, I'm compelled. It's just a hope that some of it will work, after all. Yes, and I might fail miserably trying it, I'm aware of this. But who knows, maybe I'm lucky. (And still too curious now to find out what I will "see" when I turn the 'astral' laptop or TV-set (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=108249#post108249) on again ;).)

Sinera
4th July 2012, 10:11 AM
04/Jul/2012
Mirror Healing In The Lightportal (2)

One good development: Many lucidventures lately. Maybe the astrophyllite is to blame. Anyway, tonight it was nothing for my Sinera-Project. (Possibly because I forgot to leave the laptop on?)

I exited into the lightportal and felt some force at my left shoulder tugging me back. Interestingly this is almost the point I did some pre-sleep healing affirmations for, as it chronically hurts again, and I also cannot be lying properly on my left side because of it (well, it's not quite the shoulder, it's a spot nearer to the clavicula and/or front of the neck, a little in Body-Nowhereland actually).

This might have reminded me of the healing goal. I got to the mirror immediately, looked into it and found what I almost expected. A younger version of me but in a Quasimodo version again. Bruised, distorted, a little scarred and also hunchbacked as it seemed, at least the shoulders were quite high and the neck buried in them.

I immediately started healing by affirmations for several known chronic-hurt body parts that torture me (in physical life) and also by 'willing' the mirror image to change. It worked again. I saw a young and healthy looking 20-year old version of me, as I was smiling. It worked the same way it did last time (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=108235#post108235) but the experience lasted longer and was not as spontaneous as then.

Comments / Afterthoughts

I don't know if it has an effect at all on my physical state now. Cannot (yet) attest to that. But maybe it is (also) an emotional / psychological healing or has to do with my other energy bodies?

Also, it is good to note that finally the (healing-)mirror is at the place in the Lightportal where I always wanted it to stand. I am manifesting some (additional) things in this portal, my childhood room, by visualisation / meditation, things that did not exist in it's RTZ-past version. This is progress, too. I might now be able to furnish, (re-)arrange and customise it to my liking and/or to some degree of purposefulness.

Maybe that laptop being placed on my lightportal's old office desk should be next? :)

Sinera
8th July 2012, 03:35 PM
Another (of many) classroom dreams:

Class Change And Singing
I am somehow at odds with the teacher. (Btw, first I again read and wrote sth down off the table, it was the trade names of certain candy bars, whatever that means).
So maybe I was not satisfied with what I learn or was taught, or how I was taught and I told him. It was a German class, as somehow 'known' by me. He then said he would ask the management so that I can change to a parallel class (same grade) and it would be no problem. I was somehow surprised and did not know if this was good or not. A class mate next to me was giving me then a reassuring and approving pat or a nudge, however.
Then in the following scene I was at home again and there was a lady and she sang a very high opera-like tone. I mimicked her and sang an even higher tone in my head voice, don't remember but maybe she also sang then with me and we thus harmonised. End of dream.

The interesting thing with this dream is my new pre-sleep affirmation for that night: As I had fallen ill again recently and was reminded of the imporance of (self-)healing, I had requested to 'change course' again indeed and asked my Higher Self for a Healing Angel/Teacher. A teacher that would show me how to heal (self and others) and maybe also as an Angel of guidance / good luck to help manifest the money for my planned future practice.

I've seen this lady before sometimes in dreams, she might have already been sitting with me in another class trying to convince me of sth. Maybe she was all the time waiting for me to come to her (and 'change class')?

Does the high singing maybe mean 'high vibration' since high tones are oscillating faster? At least I hope so, it might show me I am on the right track.
:angelic:

http://www.genesis-ultrasound.com/images/High-frequency-low-wave.jpg

Also: "To hear someone sing in your dream signifies emotional and spiritual fulfillment. Your mood is changing for the positive as your outlook in life is looking up. " - Dreammoods (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=singin)
:angelic::toast:

Sinera
8th July 2012, 04:30 PM
Another idea after some thinking and internet research: It is said in many places that singing opens the throat chakra, which was and still is my usual blocked area. Maybe it has also sth to do with that? A lot of sites attest to singing as a positive effect on this energy center (not really surprising though as the vocal cords are there).

http://www.mindbodygreen.com/0-4646/7-Ways-to-Balance-Your-Throat-Chakra.html

However, an even more surprising thing is point 3 mentioned on this site ("hips don't lie") because actually that classmate in the dream was patting me on my right hip, which I found strange. Years ago, and to some lesser degree even today, I had hip problems too. It got better unexpectedly (!!) actually after I had a treatment by a chiropractor for sth else in the head area.
It's the first time I hear that hip and throath chakra are related. Maybe I really was given an important 'nudge' now. :idea: Perhaps I should start doing some hip exercises while singing now?

Korpo
9th July 2012, 06:57 PM
You sing together with a coach/trainer in a dream - that usually already constitutes energy work and you represent it as singing to yourself. While all kinds of expressing yourself verbally and vocally (even in writing!) can help you develop your 5th chakra (which is about expression and social interaction), that wasn't necessarily the message of the dream. Dreams are not necessarily messages, but fully valid experiences in their own right.

Pneumismatic
11th July 2012, 03:45 AM
It was a German class, as somehow 'known' by me. "German" = 'Germing' = 'Seedling' = 'Beginner' = 'Novice' It was a 'novice class.'


Does the high singing maybe mean 'high vibration' since high tones are oscillating faster? At least I hope so, it might show me I am on the right track. Absolutely!

Sinera
11th July 2012, 04:14 PM
"German" = 'Germing' = 'Seedling' = 'Beginner' = 'Novice' It was a 'novice class.'
Interesting wordplays :-). And yes, it makes sense also since my native language is German. So what could I have learnt? That's why I changed. I had been a regular visitor to other classes (Spanish, French) in many dreams before which were of course more challenging. Maybe this had to do with it. Maybe I got bored. ;)

Pneumismatic
12th July 2012, 12:35 AM
Ah, so. Is a grasshopper still a grasshopper if he can snatch the pebble? Schnell! :-)

Sinera
12th July 2012, 12:04 PM
12/Jul/2012
Mermaids And The Golden Key

I get lucid in a dream where I was somehow using a cave passage (lighted, not frightening) leading away from my cellar of the house where I live now. I am lucid exactly as I ascend to the surface again. It is a crowded central pedestrian area on a sunny day in a huge city, actually it looks familiar like that one of a big city where I once worked in.

I then immediately ask what I can do here and to be shown what to do. But then I also turn to an area where there is a wide and low public fountain or even pool. It's a complex installation, maybe with statues here and there, a central huge spring and some walls / paths to walk on in-between.

I see some naked women floating in there, somehow they even seem to be naturally dwelling there. I tell myself to be aware that this is not about sexual seduction now. They look human all over (normal legs, no fishtails) but I now but as they seem to be permanently and naturally 'living' in this well, I interpret them as 'human mermaids'.

I decide to ask them a question. I ask them where (or if) a friend of mine has left something here for me. I don't know why I asked that. One of the mermaids then directs me to the centre fountain (maybe with a statue). In that elevated water basin I find a golden key and (presumably although I don't exactly remember it) take it.

I then ask another one of the mermaids what this place is or where I am exactly. The mermaid then says: "It's Hamburg.", which surprises me since it is not the city I expected it to be.

I then talk to yet another mermaid with dark skin. She then comments that I remind her of 'her own country'. I ask where this country is and she tells me a name but unfortunately I forgot it by now or didn't even quite understand what she says. The lucidventure then ends.

Comments / Afterthoughts

Hamburg has a meaning for me, it could be a direct message to a question in physical life. It is related to a weekend seminar I considered to attend to there related to my healer training. But I do not have the money for that and decided that I will have to wait if it comes my way (probably by manifesting) and if so take it as a sign to take part. Is the golden key the access key to that money / seminar?

Maybe it's about sth completely else however. There might be a lot of symbology involved again. The cellar turning into a cave passage, the huge public fountain area, 'human mermaids', the overall watery element, the golden key (out of the water). Need to sort it out and then come back here when I made up my mind about it all.

Pneumismatic
13th July 2012, 04:34 AM
Your dream contains a perennial image, The Fountain of Youth. The House's cellar is the unconscious (SUBconscious) mind. The house is the conscious mind of the dreamer. The huge pedestrian city is the collective unconscious. The mermaids are Immortals who've found it. "Hamburg" is a probably a pun for 'hamburger,' food, theobromide, though your interpretation of its meaning is probably valid as well, which presents no conflict. The 'key' is the life-giving knowledge of the centre, as it is at the centre, in the highest place no less. "my people perish for lack of knowledge" says the good book. The mermaid with the dark skin hints at the darkness of earth, it's cthonic aspect, which is purely symbolical as mankind is referred to as 'earth' in many sacred stories such as "Adam" meaning "earth." Kalki, whose name means earth or dirt, is one of Vishnu's avatars, who is so named because he comes to earth to 'clean the place up.' Jung would have called this color 'Nigredo,' which means black and has alchemical connotations. This statement is presumably to inform the dreamer that he is no longer at the earth realm, not 'where he expected it to be.' A similar dream and interpretation is recounted in Psychology and Alchemy, Dream 13, page 117. The dream is recounted as follows:

"In the sea there lies a treasure. To reach it, he has to dive through a narrow opening. This is dangerous, but down below he will find a companion. The dreamer takes the plunge into the dark and discovers a beautiful garden in the depths, symmetrically laid out, with a fountain in the centre." Carl Jung interprets the fountain to mean The Self. There is a lengthy interpretation of this dream as with all of Jung's interpretations, which I'll edit into this post if you want me to.

This is excerpted from a series of dreams of a person going through psychotherapy. The next dream, dream 14 deals with water:

"The dreamer goes into a chemist's shop with his father. Valuable things can be got there quite cheap, above all a special water. His father tells him about the country the water comes from. Afterwards he crosses the Rubicon by train."

There's another lengthy interpretation here I'll edit in if you want me to. Most respectable universities have this book in their libraries.

Sinera
17th July 2012, 02:40 PM
17/Jul/2012
"Platolmec" Head Monument In "Busaki (?)"

I seem to have developed a combination of techniques where I get more often lucid in dreams than to have vibrational / phasing exits out of 'the state'. Well, I don't want to complain as far as I have lucidventures at all despite them being my 2nd choice only.

This one started from dream-state where I was in a small class of 3-4 students only. I noticed I had forgotten my stuff and asked my neighbour student for a pencil and sth to write on. Then I am directed to a desk behind me with some material. I take one but when sitting down again at my desk I notice I got a screwdriver (or a similar tool) instead of a pen. The teacher resembled the "healing angel" woman I did the singing with lately, but I cannot be sure of that.

Then I somehow got out of the room and in the hall I try to fly up asking a guide to lift me (a usual strategy of mine). Only after a few seconds a hand comes. I asked for Tom Campbell to be the guide Before, I once subconsiously used him before as a "vessel" to be guided by another helper to the "Human Contact Zone (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=102538#post102538)". I saw (like then) a video of him before going to sleep. This might be an influence. He also put out a promise to help people in NPMR as much as he can. So that's why I remembered to 'call him up'. I only see the hand that reaches from the ceiling. I am then being drawn up and it gets dark.

Somehow there seems to be no movement. Then it occurs to me to give a direction of where to go and shout the first that comes to my mind: "Back to the Library (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=97390#post97390)!". Then there is some movement and I notice I can see again and am in a kind of different lobby of a building. It looks like an kind of office building (maybe of public authorities), resembling the one I was in when I went to the "Nine-O'clock-Heaven (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?11852-Volgerle-s-Lucidiary&p=110041#post110041)", but this is not certain either.

I take a look at the hand that had drawn me til this moment. I notice that I hold a hand only and the arm is already a kind of stump and there is no person (guide). It looks like an arm-prothesis. I throw it away then without giving it more thoughts.

After a while of searching for an exit to get outside I succeed and am in a kind of forecourt on a sunny day in an unknown city. There is a monument. It is a huge colossal head carving. A bearded man that mostly resembles the Greek philosopher Plato. It is a little greenish and with some leaves or blots on it. However the wide, bulky, angular and colossal nature of this head reminds me also of the mysterious Olmec stone head carvings. So it's Plato's bearded face but in Olmec-style. It's in the size of a person but of course also very wide and might still be placed on top of a kind of socket-wall (not sure though). Mix these two together and you get the 'picture':

http://www.wissenschaft-online.de/sixcms/media.php/912/thumbnails/Head_Platon_Glyptothek_Munich_online.jpg.714054.jp g http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/RHPOD/737-54.jpg

I wonder where to go and then have the idea to ask the monument where the library is. I am aware of the astral and think that I might 'bring it to life'. But that does not work. Then a tall guy passes by and I ask him where the huge 'akashic' library is.

He looks 'down' at me (he's tall) with a friendly smile and asks why I would want to go there. He asks me if I 'messed it up' somehow because I wanted to go there. I do not understand what he means by that. Probably he tells me that there are other libraries around here. I insist that I've been to the 'akashic' library before (not yet aware of my mistake that it necessarily wasn't the 'akashic' library at all). He then looks again at me smiling. His eyes seem very agile, stangely moving from left to right, they also have a strange colour. Something like a brownish-red or so.

Then I ask him the name of this place. First he kind of whispers it. I understand the word "Busaki" (pronounce boozarkee in English, wordstress on -ar-). But ask again and he repeats it louder. At his third (and loudest) repetition I start to fade out of the scene.

Comments / Afterthoughts

My research showed that Busaki (Wiki: Bersaki) is a Hinduist temple (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Temple_of_Besakih) in Bali (http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Busaki+Bali&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=7HQFULiWHIzSsgaEksiTBw&biw=1026&bih=688&sei=8nQFUO7FDobVsgak8KiTBw#um=1&hl=de&safe=off&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=Busaki+Bali&oq=Busaki+Bali&gs_l=img.12...0.0.0.994.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0..0.0...0.0 ...1c.fbUcftYMzBU&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=e81ab75ef3c93b42&biw=1026&bih=688). That's all I found out about this word(s). I cannot make any connection to the other elements, it's somehow pretty spread, geographically: The Olmecs: unkown ancient culture (bringers?) in/to/from South America. Plato: ancient Greek. Busaki: Bali (temple to be said from the 14th century).

Maybe Plato means sth with 'platonic' (love, philosophy, solids)? Maybe it's more generally relating to the spiritual realms?

Dreammoods (http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=greek)says about meeting a Greek: "Consider the phrase "it's all Greek to me" to indicate your lack of understanding in some area of your life." Well, yeah, maybe I was missing some basic understanding of this place and during the conversation about libraries indeed. I still don't get the thing about messing sth up (or having messed sth up) when you want to go to the Akashic records.

I also feel reminded of Korpo's hint to the tallness of some persons acting as 'higher' beings or even guides. I looked up to this guy, he seemed taller than me, much taller.

Maybe I was in another "higher" astral place again but somehow couldn't make anything useful of it. The classroom dream before that also indicates that I might not have been 'ready/prepared' enough for the lessons to be learnt yet.

Korpo
17th July 2012, 04:07 PM
Socrates' philosophy (which we know only through Plato) was strong on "ideas." Seeing a sculpture of Plato might indicate that you've been the mental plane, the plane of ideas - where the lower mental plane would be about "ideas about the truth" and the upper mental plane would be about the actual energy of the ideas.

Plato's face being distorted to Olmec style could be a hint of "inaccurate representation of a concept" (here: visually) which is basically another way of saying "idea about the truth." Also the mental plane can be often be represented as Greek - column halls and such - as this often represents "the wisdom of the ancients." In this case you maybe have a wider conception of "ancient wisdom" as you double-represent it with both Greek and Olmec antecedents, which could show you have no preference for certain ancient cultures but value at least many.

"Platonic love" for example could be understood similarly as only the energetic reality of love without limiting to any specific form of (especially physical) expression, pointing back to the realm of pure energetic ideas without form.

Kurt once wrote that on the lower mental plane the availability of the akashic records is limited to "karmic tendencies." This could mean what the guide said when he asks if you messed up (pointing to "past actions," basically):


“Well,” the Gatekeeper responded, “this zone of what you call Otherwhere corresponds to that record. It’s not, technically speaking, part of the Afterdeath Zone. But it’s directly accessible to all human consciousness, in or out of the body, focused on Earth, or in the Afterdeath Zone.

“Problem is,” the Gatekeeper continued, “practically no one knows this plane exists. If they’ve heard of it, they don’t know how to get here. I might as well be posted on Mars for all the traffic I get here.”

“But I’m always hearing about psychics who claim that they read the Akashic records,” I protested.

“I doubt it,” the Gatekeeper sighed. “If it were true, I’d have a lot more to do here.”

“Then where do they get their information?” I asked.

“Well, if they’re not intentionally or unintentionally making it up,” the Gatekeeper replied, “they’re probably picking up on the soul’s own memory banks of its past lives. That’s fine, if all they want is karmic tendencies.

“Such information is limited to the soul’s own self-understanding, which varies according to its level of development. Only here can you get the big picture, unbiased by karmic tendencies or the soul’s level of development.”

“What do you mean by ‘karmic tendencies’?” I asked.

“Stuck places,” the Gatekeeper replied. “Say, the tendency to take things personally. That can show up lifetime after lifetime, creating a distortion in how particular events are viewed.(http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2003/94-tour-of-the-akashic-records-upper-mental-plane-causal-body)

"Distortion" and "messed it up" could be related in this way. "Karmic tendency" could be translated as "the way I used to mess up in the past", which can mean the past of this or other lives.

Or it could simply mean you didn't reach the right place ident ("messed up" your navigation).

The thing with the arm prosthesis is interesting. It could mean that for a while you were genuinely touch with another entity when taking that hand but then lost the connection (turning into a "fake") when you chose to go somewhere else? Possible. You might have asked to be taken where you need to be, which could have had interesting results as well.

Sinera
17th July 2012, 07:35 PM
Socrates' philosophy (which we know only through Plato) was strong on "ideas." Seeing a sculpture of Plato might indicate that you've been the mental plane, the plane of ideas - where the lower mental plane would be about "ideas about the truth" and the upper mental plane would be about the actual energy of the ideas.
Wow! That's great, the MENTAL plane? Cool, seems I should take a Mr-Campbell-taxi more often. :wink: (Seriously: Also the Human Contact Zone already seems to have been another higher place normally not easy for me to get at, so this might indeed be a valid 'technique' for me).


Also the mental plane can be often be represented as Greek - column halls and such - as this often represents "the wisdom of the ancients."
Right. I forgot. Now I remember that M. Newton's also wrote that many of his regressees report that parts of the afterlife (public) zone often looks this way. (Remember the 'homecoming party'?).


In this case you maybe have a wider conception of "ancient wisdom" as you double-represent it with both Greek and Olmec antecedents, which could show you have no preference for certain ancient cultures but value at least many.
This is absolutely the case. I am deeply fascinated by ancient but also pre-historic mankind. I even want to find out about it (that's why I wanted to go to the A. Records.). I even made plans to find not just out about my own history but e.g. about who built (or carved) the original Sphinx or who caused the fascinating construction remains of Puma Punku (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjoh-EXjEsc) (and when)?


"Distortion" and "messed it up" could be related in this way. "Karmic tendency" could be translated as "the way I used to mess up in the past", which can mean the past of this or other lives.
Or it could simply mean you didn't reach the right place ident ("messed up" your navigation).
Yeah, I don't remember the exact wording of what he meant, therefore it remains really difficult to interpret. Still, I am not sure if I really understand what is meant by interpretation of akashic records with karmic viewpoints. Certainly any information form NPMR is filtered by our own minds (remote viewing, channeling, etc.). But why or how should we always let karmic influences 'taint' the information?


The thing with the arm prosthesis is interesting. It could mean that for a while you were genuinely touch with another entity when taking that hand but then lost the connection (turning into a "fake") when you chose to go somewhere else? Possible. You might have asked to be taken where you need to be, which could have had interesting results as well.
Here my interpretation was actually different from yours. What makes you think it proves that it was a 'real' guide before? I actually thought it turned out to be a kind of 'tool' I used (created?) myself. Such as other projectors create ladders, ropes, etc. when 'climbing out of body' or when changing planes. But of course, I don't know.

Korpo
17th July 2012, 07:53 PM
I almost mentioned Michael Newton. Funny. I also remember representing a mental plane location to myself once as a Greek column circle in the middle of space.

The lower mental plane is open to explorers, I guess I hinted at it before. Kurt wrote even here on the forums before that he believes that people master one plane while sometimes exploring the next. For most people that means they get to glimpse the lower mental plane while finishing up their work in the mental body.

Karmic tendencies... The Buddhists believe that we think right now is the result of past thoughts and actions. If you were to look at the more persistent personality traits in your recent incarnations you might experience them as something similar as story arcs, as main themes that dominate those stories of your recent lives - the lessons you are most confronted with or had most trouble learning.

In this sense you don't "let them" taint the information you get, the karmic tendencies will continue to be the contents of your mind at some level and hence have a distorting influence on what you experience. Try to recall when you are angry. Usually when one is angry one can be angry about anything - if you look closely you might even switch what you're "angry about" in the middle. I often noticed that I might suddenly go on about something completely different in my mind than what made me angry originally.

This basically shows that "being angry" is a state of consciousness of its own, and as long as it persists it simply colors our perceptions. Karmic tendencies then are like the dominant themes in a piece of orchestral music - constantly recurring, coming to prominence and fading back, but never fully gone until the piece itself resolves. Karmic tendencies are the reactions one is always prone of and that keep recurring as a theme in one's life, tendencies of the mind that one as easily forgets as a pair of glasses on your very own nose. The glasses distort the light, but we take no notice of it, we might even forget about them altogether, but they are there.

So, reading the akashic records at the level of karmic tendencies means simply that at the lower mental plane level certain tendencies in the mind still dominate enough to prevent a clearer perception of the records. But the level that Kurt describes in the AC might not be needed. In another AC, The Human Culture Zone (http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2007/188-the-human-culture-zone-causal-body-lower-mental-plane), Kurt says - IIRC - that at the lower mental plane human history might become accessible.

I just took a sneak peek at the video of Puma Punku... Funny. I read about these probably more than one decade ago, make it almost two... It certainly fascinated me. It's one of these threads from the early Däniken books that when "pulled" felt like our whole "understanding" of human history would unravel because of these incredible facts.