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17th June 2011, 11:52 PM
Ok, here's the remade version of my obe journal. Below are posts from the old one copied from the old forum. I'll make it clear where the new ones begin when I post them.

by defectron on Sun Jul 18, 2010 11:51 am

EDIT: Hey everyone this is my new obe journal. Before any newbies take a look at it here's a bit of advice, don't take anything I say in my earlier projections to heart as I often had a wrong idea of what was going on in those. Also in one of the areas on the second page where I compiled some projections I posted a link to kurt lelands dream topic, I would recommend you take a look there as alot of insights to these are posted there
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My first intentional astral projection

Oh boy looks like the works finnally starting to pay off!

Well I should probably start at the beginning , I woke up in the early morning and went back to sleep. After doing so I had the first lucid dream I had in awhile. In the beginning of the dream I forget exactly what I was doing, but it went lucid when some sort of fairy looking creature resembling a bee girl flew by and wnet out a door that looked like a gateway to another world. At this point it was lucid and I could control things so I also turned into a female fairy looking creature and chased after her (I'm actually a guy) anyway as I was chasing her flying about through this other world I realize "Hey this is a dream, I should try projecting". As tempting as it was to keep chasing her I stopped and willed myself to go back to my body, the dream world faded and I felt myself being yanked into my body which was an odd sort of sensation. This next part I only remembered about five minutes after I got up. After getting yanked back in I managed to sit back up coming out of my body, the room was light exactly as it should be at that time of day, didn't get a chance to really look around though. This was really odd, because it felt like my regular physical body but more tingly, not as much as sleep parlysis, but more then when I do energy stimulation. I believe Whitly Streiber described something like this in an interview he did with Robert Bruce where what he thought was something that happened to his physical body was actually his astral. Anyway I think I probably got sucked back in again here because that's the last I remember of it.
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Re: My first intentional astral projection
by Neil Templar on Sun Jul 18, 2010 12:08 pm

cool.
congrats!


Re: My first intentional astral projection
by CFTraveler on Sun Jul 18, 2010 1:21 pm

Ditto. Maybe you should change your name to 'perfectron'.


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Re: My first intentional astral projection
by baalixan on Sun Aug 01, 2010 8:28 am

congrats. it can be alot of work, but it can be fun, not to mention other benifits you get along the way, and especially when u reach that goal. and it doesn't seem so much like work when u are enjoying it keep it up

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Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by defectron on Wed Aug 04, 2010 10:43 am

Tonight I made some more attempts to astral project but so many dream elements got mixed in I though I should post it here. I am really not sure about what happened here, was this all just dream or did I manage to project in some way and if so what happened here?

It started out after I had woken up somewhat early in the morning and went back to bed. I had a dream that I met some woman who was one of those reptoids that icke always goes on about in his conspiracy books and she agreed to let me film her shape shifting so as I was going home to get a camera I realized this was a dream. So once again I willed myself back to my body and felt the same snapping back into my body sensation I got last time. Initially I had alot of trouble coming out because I kept getting yanked back in. The below is actually several projections or lucid dreams or whatever since I would keep getting pulled in throughout this experience and coming back out again.

Eventually I got back out and stayed out by rolling out and sorta managing to pull myself towards the door as my body was still trying to yank me back in. I mustve rolled out of there at least seven times that night, I'll get more into that later. Now here's where the dream elements come in, I was able to interact with the objects in the house, many of which don't exist in real life the time this didn't seem like a big deal though, maybe that was just dream logic at work. I'm not talking small reality fluctuations either as there was a room with a christmas tree and also some sorta small wearhouse connected tot he back of the house. The people still couldn't see me though. Anyway after getting out I tried several times trying to summon a gateway to the akashic record. It never appeared to my dissapointment as that's one of my motives for trying to astral project. Next i just tried asking and seeing if anything came to me. I wasn't entirely sure what to ask about right out of the blue so I picked a random topic I was curious about remembering the dream I had earlier. Now keep in mind this may not be the records that answered me as this seemed more like a lucid dream then a real projection, and also the answers were pretty much in line with what I already believe. The question I asked was "are reptoids real? and are they visiting us?" the answer I got was yes then I asked if they were good or bad and the answer i got was "both" I then asked if the storys were true about our politicians actually being these things and I got a no, though it also kinda gave a feeling they might have some sorta influence on them. I was about to ask about the shuar shape shifting technique I read about in John perkins shape shifting book but then got pulled back again. Not for long though as I tried rolling back out again. Anyway I decided I would try to shape shift my body into something else. I decided to try something small at first before completely changing. So I slowly grew some talons on all of my fingers, but this was kinda tricky cuz theyed just morph back to my regular hands when I turned my attention away from them. At some point I got pulled back into my body again but then rolled back out once more. This time I went outside, I then flew over to the place I work at. One thing is it was lighter then it should have been this time of day like it was the afternoon. Flying over there was quite an experience though as I even remember feeling the wind on my face, once again this is another reason why I think its a lucid dream as I shouldnt have felt that if it was just a straight up projection. When I got there, the place also looked different then how it is in real life. There was some sort of add on store that I was selling some sort of stuff, forget what exactly. Anyway of my three jobs I don't much care for this one so I used my lucid dream powers to blast a great big hole in the wall of the building. I then went over and took a look at a small fan, the reason being is I could feel myself starting to go back and I figured maybe if I picked something to concentrate on I would be able to stay. Well needless to say that fan got extremely realisitc, more then real fans. But in the end I got pulled back anyway. I tried coming back out again, this time I was about to try doing a full body shape shift but got pulled back in before I could try to pull it off. I tried to project a couple more times but it seemed to get more difficult to stay out each time. Eventually i gave up and had a dream about eating cookies before i woke up.

Anyway what I think happened is after coming back to my body the first time I actually projected into another lucid dream as there's too many dream elements mixed in, not to mention the fact that alot of the time I tended to operate on dream logic throughout the course of this. How would I go about doing this without having so much dream stuff get mixed into this?
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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by CFTraveler on Wed Aug 04, 2010 1:16 pm

If you have an exit it's a projection, dream elements notwithstanding. So I think it belongs in the OBE forum.
You see, an astral projection (or projection to the astral) is in the same range as dreams, the difference being of how personal the imagery is.
So dream elements will belong to an astral projection.


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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by defectron on Wed Aug 04, 2010 4:30 pm

Yeah the exits/entrance's definately felt real like that other time I did it. Here's a few odd things though

Towards the end I was having alot of trouble staying out of my body, almost felt like i was getting alot weaker, what exactly was the deal with that?

Also like the last time I projected this felt pretty physical, but there were a few differences. One is that I didn't feel all tingly like last time. Also I felt pretty light, if I had to describe it, awhile ago I saw an anime called Bakemonogatari, where there was a girl cursed to only weigh five pounds. It felt kinda like that. For example I'd roll out of my body and hit the floor but it didn't really feel like there was much behind the impact.

Anyway I hope this happens more often, dream elements or not it was pretty cool. Just wish I was able to open up the gateway to the akashic records, I'll have to go back to the chapter in astral dynamics and read over that again.

Next time I'll have to pay more attention to what other people are doing in the house and ask them if that was what they were doing when i wake up. In this they were just hanging around the kitchen like they would be at that time in the morning but I didn't really pay attention to what anyone was up to.
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Re: Was this a projection, a dream or both?
by CFTraveler on Wed Aug 04, 2010 6:52 pm

defectron wrote:
Yeah the exits/entrance's definately felt real like that other time I did it. Here's a few odd things though

Towards the end I was having alot of trouble staying out of my body, almost felt like i was getting alot weaker, what exactly was the deal with that?
Either you were naturally waking up or you were running out of energy. This sometimes happens with projections that are long or that involve more than one exit.

Also like the last time I projected this felt pretty physical, but there were a few differences. One is that I didn't feel all tingly like last time. Also I felt pretty light, if I had to describe it, awhile ago I saw an anime called Bakemonogatari, where there was a girl cursed to only weigh five pounds. It felt kinda like that. For example I'd roll out of my body and hit the floor but it didn't really feel like there was much behind the impact.
All exit sensations change the more you project, this is natural. If you went into the astral instead of the etheric then you will feel a difference of the energy body you are using. It sounds to me like you were not in the etheric, but in the astral. The 'further out' or 'higher' (whatever term you prefer, they are interchangeable) the less 'realistic' they will be, because they are more 'psychologically distant' to physical reality.


Next time I'll have to pay more attention to what other people are doing in the house and ask them if that was what they were doing when i wake up. In this they were just hanging around the kitchen like they would be at that time in the morning but I didn't really pay attention to what anyone was up to.
Sure, if you are having an RTZ (etheric projection). With an astral projection there are bound to be more differences.
BTW, congrats on the projection.

New projection experience
by defectron on Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:22 am

Just a little while ago I had a new projection experience. Dunno if this was like the last two I had where I had problems with the projections being contaminated with dream elements, but it felt alot more real then those were, I honestly had trouble determining whether or not this was physical reality or not, I was only able to say for sure it wasn't when I willed myself to float into the air. But yeah I'm getting ahead of myself, best to start at the beginning. The other day I almost had a projection when I realized I was dreaming and came back, but the entry was so sudden it woke me up. Today I tried doing what I did yesterday and got it.

I forget how or why it happened, but I "fell out of bed", a few moments later when i found myself back in bed and awake though I figured I had a breif projection I hadn't caught on because it felt like I had the proper amount of body mass so I didn't notice this til it was too late. I went back asleep and tried again, this time I did project. Like I said before this time felt like the real physical world. I had alot of trouble telling if I was asleep or not until I willed myself to float into the air, this time my room looked how it was supposed to for the most part with the exception of a large bottle in the corner which is where a bag of fireworks should be. Anyway after determining this was a projection, I went out into the hallway and asked for the doorway to the akashic record to appear, it didn't come right away. I remember reading somewhere that a persons named could be like a code to access the record so I tried something a bit different and shouted out "In the name of (my name here) I command you to open the akashic record!" what's odd is that when I was trying to get this to open my voice sounded like a girls voice. Anyway I noticed a triangular sort of area on the ceiling that isn't there in the physical world. It looked like there used to be a cavity there and someone just smacked some plaster over it. I floated up and ripped it off revealing a really messy dingy looking attic, I figured this must be the record so I asked the first question that came to my mind

"Where is the necklace of mysterys?"

if you don't know what I'm talking about watch this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qi1sB9W ... r_embedded

Thinking back on it, maybe I should have asked another question, but this is the first that came to my mind. I began to look through the attic and picked up a crusty old envelope, on the side of it was a graphical depiction of some shady looking guy, above his head was written "can't do can't" and below it another line "look through here" I was about to look and see what address it was being sent to but I woke up right as I was doing this, as I returned I felt all tingly from the energy liked during the energy stimulation excercises. So was this another dream element contaminated projection? Or was I actually able to get to the real time zone and the akashic record? I honestly don't know since I didn't try to verify anything in this projection. But out of all the ones I've had this is probably the most interesting. I do wonder what the odd message written on the side of the envelope meant, seemed to both be a deterrent but was also inviting me to look anyway?
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:04 am

I had another idea, that perhaps the "can't be can't" line is a clue rather then a warning or deterrent like I initially thought. So I ran it through google and what came up is a Miley cyrus song. The line is apparantly in this line of it

"I can't be saved, I can't be (can't be)"

If my interpretation is right and this was a clue I was meant to investigate, maybe this means that the necklace of mysterys has been destroyed, in other words it can't be saved. Also keep in mind I never listen to her music so I never knew of this line until now.
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Re: New projection experience
by CFTraveler on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:16 am

When I first read your post (late last night, before going to bed) I thought "a rosary"- because the rosary is a string of beads and some sets of prayers are called mysteries. (at least in spanish). So I wasn't sure how to interpret it, because I don't know what your religious background.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Aug 30, 2010 10:33 am

Well the necklace really has nothing to do with my background, it's an artifact that may have connections to anchient astronauts which until recently belonged to the shaman credo mutwa until it was stolen.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Wed Sep 15, 2010 9:48 am

I had another projection today, but this one seemed to be another heavily contaminated projection. I spent most of it unsuccesfully trying to get the records to open again. I'm wondering if there's a big difference in the state a person is in between a contaminated and and less contaminated projection that allows them to access it more easily? Any ideas on what those factors might be? I am a bit annoyed though, I had planned to practice changing my astral body to look diffrent the next time I had a contaminated projection since those aren't much good for obtaining information, but I completely forgot to do that this time around.

Anyway regarding what happened in this projection

I was having a lucid dream and came back to my body, odd thing is I rolled out the opposite side I usually do so I sort of had to maneuver my way over my body without getting sucked in. This was kinda difficult, had to work hard to avoid it. After that I made my way back out to the hall, now the contamination part of this is that another story seemed to have been added onto my house , but without a second floor. Also for some reason the air seemed to be rippling as if there was alot of heat around. Anyway I gave a go at opening the records, but nothing came this time, I floated over to the ceiling a treid again but still no luck and ended up waking up after that.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:02 AM
Had another projection tonight, maybe two. In the first one I rolled out and it was pretty real, almost everything was the same like the first one I described here where I may have found the record. However I was not able to get to it in this one either. I was about to try changing form when I got pulled back. This may be because I had gotten a little too exited about it, but yeah that chance kinda got blown. The only thing different in this projection that I could see was some areas of the ceiling. But then again I didn't have a whole lot of time to look around.

I say maybe two, because I don't remember very clearly if I had an exit in the second one which was pretty contaminated. I did try changing forms in this one with only partial success. I think I may have sabotaged myself here because I did it in front of a mirror. If you think about it, one way or another that would only be hinderence, because if it was a dream or a dream contaminated projection it would not accuratly reflect whats in front of it and if it was a pure projection nothing would be reflecting there at all. One way or another it would only serve to hinder the experience which is largely based on mental perceptions. So I think that's probably what screwed me up that time.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:09 pm

I had some more projections this morning. Earlier I went over and read the part of astral dynamics that talks about the record and it was mentioned that sometimes you need to look for the door, which was what I was doing today when I projected. I kept on getting pulled back before I could really do some good searching. So I tried doing an energy stimulation excercise breifly before projecting back out again, this time I was able to stay out longer. I've got to say the energy flow is alot more noticible in that state. Anyway I did find a very narrow door that isn't there so I tried opening that. It had a back in it so I tried pushing on it and I saw some light on the other side. I almost pushed through but got pulled back again. There's also one other thing that may be a clue to what I was looking for. I forget the exact context in which I found this but I found an envelope somewhere during the projection that had a name on it, the first name was a womans name that ended in an l and the last name was ingram. I think it may have been rachael ingram, the question I wanted to ask the record this time was how to improve my financial situation, so maybe this is a clue to that.
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Re: New projection experience
by CFTraveler on Mon Sep 20, 2010 2:45 pm

The word that came to me when I read your post was 'Engram' or 'Enneagram'. Bless that flow. Anyway, you may want to look that up, it may give you a tool to focus your consciousness.

Re: New projection experience
by Volgerle on Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:17 pm

defectron wrote:
... my voice sounded like a girls voice ...

sorry for just picking this now out of context, but I felt the urge as I just read it and since I am happy someone has had a similar strange experience, therefore...

WELCOME TO THE CLUB.

viewtopic.php?f=62&t=21452&start=0#p135736

did a girl-voice happen more often to you or only just once?
I've got tar on my feet and I can't see. All the BIRDs look down and laugh at me. Clumsy, crawling out of my skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6vOKQFzmgc
Of thoughts and deeds a little BIRD sings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vC22WAJBJw
Old Man: The BIRDs are the keepers of our secret.
Nurse: Come on inside. Looking back is for the BIRDs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0jYHTA1rI

Volgerle

Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Mon Sep 20, 2010 8:40 pm

Actually I'm not entirely sure, I think thats the only time I really remember "speaking" as the other times I was just trying to will stuff to happen with my thoughts for the most part, then again I may have tried verbalizing some of those times too but I'm not really sure thats the only time I really remember clearly doing that.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:32 pm

This morning I had some very interesting astral projection experiences. I really was not expecting to project today given that I had to ge tup super early to work, most of my projections take place after this time. To my surprise I had three real time projections in a row.

It all started when I think I may or may not have been attacked by something. I had an experience kind of simialer to sleep paralysis. I'm not sure if this is what it was, or if it was something else. In the past whenever I had a sleep paralysis sensation I'd experience pins and needles all over my body. This didn't happen here, I don't actually remember very much of what happened, all I remember was feeling a bad presence nearby and having trouble moving. Whatever it was though, I fought it off. Some people believe that entitys may be responsible for at least some sleep paralysis experiences, I have no idea if one was here or not though. But in any case after I defeated, whatever that was which was bothering me, I realized the state I was in so I tried projecting.

Now I tried doing things a bit different this time, before projecting I did an energy stimulation excercise. When in the theta state, I can sense the energy body alot more clearly, instead of the usual excersises I tried sloshing it back and forth, it felt almost like how one would imagine the ebb and flow of the tides being pushed and pulled by the moon, except within ones body. Anyway after that I rolled out, unlike most of the other projections this wasn't a clumsy exit, I landed on my feet and was ready for action. I knew that if that was an entity that attacked me earlier, it was possible it was still nearby so I was a little wary of my surroundings. I didn't see it though, and somehow I felt that if anything did come my way I would be capable of taking on whatever came, I could feel more raw power surging through me then in any of the other projections. So, I went about business looking for the record. Here's another interesting thing, when I looked in darkened rooms and couldn't see a sort of bright beam of light would shine out of my chest and illuminate whatever it was I was trying to look at. There were not alot of dream elements here, almost everything looked as it should, the only difference up untilt he end being that my turtle was not inside of his tank. I don't know why that's the case because he's there now. I'm kicking myself right now because I didn't think to try to confirm any of these and its so rare I have a clear real time projection to attempt that. Anyway towards the end I went up into that one room where I had my third encounter with the doorway to the akashic record. Sure enough, the anomalous doorway was in the same place it was before. However I was pulled back right before I could enter.

But I wouldn't be deterred that easy, once again I did the tide flow energy stimulation that I can only do effectively while in that state, and then exited again going back to that room and entering the door. Iinside was not the attic like place from the other two times I got through it, but a bathroom with blue wallpaper and a fuzzy blue toilet seat. I then asked the best way to improve my financial sitatuation, when I did this a movie began to play on two flat screen tv's mounted on the wall of the bathroom showing 3d animated fish and 3d animated water. 3d animation is one of my skills as I took graphic design in college and even have a job doing it, though it doesnt pay as much as I'd like. I interpreted this as meaning I should follow through in trying to make something happen using my animation skills. Also an idea came to me to go through with a sort of vague idea I had to make a full cgi composite comic done in the same style as mamoru oshiis movie "Tachiguichi Retsuden". Anyway that's where this projection ended, I'm not sure if the fact that fishes and water were dominant in the movie was a second clue or not. I do have some skills with fluid simulation in animation but its hardly a specialty of mine so I'm not sure it would make sense for it to tell me to try emphasize that aspect of my expertise in trying to land a job, or if there may be some other meaning behind the water and fish imagery.

Once again I was back in my body, but still in the theta state, after doing what I did last time I projected a third time and went back to the room with the anomalous doorway. This time the record looked almost like my room, it was still structured the same as the bathroom version, but it wasn't a bathroom, posters similar to the ones in my room were hanging from the walls and some action figures like mine were there too. In november I'm going to visit hawaii, while there I plan to investigate sightings of the "Minihune" and other mysterys. The minihune is a tribe of magical little people told of in hawaiian folklore, but many people have actually reported seeing these little people and even feeding them. So I asked the record how I could get a lead on the minihune. I looked around the room for anything out of the ordinary which might be a clue. I found three things which may be clues.

1. The most obvious was a taxidermified torso of a miniature man stuck in the upper right hand corner of the rooms ceiling. It's body was clother in what appeared to be woven straw.

2. I found a dvd of a movie I never heard of before called pleasure island, it appeared to be some sort of asian exploitation movie

3. I found a record album with a picture of some black kid with various kanji on his t-shirt, unfortunately ive never been good at remembering kanji so I don't remember what most of them meant.

For the first clue, my guess is that this may be clue to where I might find the minihune or at least a lead, when people reported seeing the minihune, they did not wear straw clothing. I think the straw may be something in the environment of an area that may yield a clue with investigation, this is also supported by my interpretation of the second clue. Pleasure island is the name of the island pinnochio went to where all the children turned into donkeys. Donkeys and straw can both be found on farms, and based on what I read there are some farms in the area of diamondhead, a place where the minihune have been sighted. the only clue I have no idea of is the third, I don't know who or what the black kid with the kanji is supposed to represent. Hopefully the answers to that will be revealed within time.
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Re: New projection experience
by defectron on Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:08 pm

Today I had a another projection

It started this morning when something really odd happened. Over the years I've had a peculiar feeling of my legs being lifted up intot he air while I'm asleep. Only after studying AP did I really make the connection that was was probably happening was that my astral legs were floating up for some reason. Anyway that happened this morning, here's where things were a little odd. I remember looking at me legs and seeing them still under the blankets even though I felt them floating up in the air. How does that work? I shouldn't be able to do that if I was in the theta state unless I was using my astral body to look at them which makes the most sense. Anyway once I figured what was going on, I kicked my legs to the side and rolled out. I went over to the usual room with the anomalous doorway. Like one of the previous projections the record looked like a bathroom this time. This time around I decided to ask about how to find leads that would help teach me about shape shifting. As I looked around for clues I found a spray bottle. On the back of the bottle were the words Lo and Zo. Another thing I noticed was that there was a window that seemed to have some sort of train wreck outside, my intuition tells me that was not related to my question. Dunno if the record showed me a train wreck that happened or did happen somewhere? or if that was soemthing else. Anyway since I had shape shifting on my mind I decided to try changing the form of my astral body. Once again I only had partial success in doing this.

After waking up I did a number of searches relating to shape shifting and Lo and Zo, here's what I turned up. Inititialy I was a little worried given how ambiguous the clues were, but they really gave me some interesting results.

http://coilhouse.net/2009/06/larkin-gri ... peshifter/

The muscician in the above link apparently did study shape shifting with john perkins. I'm going to try to contact her to see if we can talk about it.

http://www.myspace.com/zolily

This myspace profile is another I found, the notion of finding a true shape shifter on myspace seems absurd, but I'm not going to take any info I get here lightly and intend to check this out as well.

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/archive/ ... -6170.html

Here's another link I found in one of my first searches. In the above thread the users don azarro and william mac both look like they might know something, I'm going to try to contact them as well.

http://www.eso-garden.com/index.php?/we ... c_journey/
http://www.eso-garden.com/index.php?/we ... it_guides/

these two above links arent directly about shapeshifting, but it looks like they may also be useful
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Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:32 pm

Here's some more older projections, if you feel like reading these, I would recommend you do so in this topic where they were originally posted as light is shed on alot of mysterys there viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&st=0&sk=t&sd=a

Ok, well I had two projections yesterday and two today, lots of interesting stuff here. As you'll soon read, I tried doing the card experiment , but I had some problems, any insites into this would be appreciated.

The other day, I projected in the early morning, after doing so I went over to the cabinet where I had put the card and took a look. However the card was not there. I moved on and went to the room with the door anomaly. I had thought of one other question to ask the record, so I decided to give that a go before doing any training. I went over to it and it appeared to be a bedroom under construction. So I asked my question "What is the true motivation behind those responsible for the New world Order plot?". I looked around the room for anything out of the ordinary but saw nothing. It was then my mom appeared and began ranting about some guy named Tony. I don't remember what she said, but she seemed pretty mad at him. Then I got pulled back to my body. At the time I didn't know it, but my mom ranting about Tony was the clue I was supposed to find. Later I did a search for "Tony NWO Reason" and found this video where Tony Blair explains why he thinks globalization is a good idea http://www.pakistan.tv/videos-tony-blai ... iZE%5D.cfm so it would appear its telling me the reasons he states in the video are the ones behind it, in other words the NWO plotters genuinly think their doing the right thing for the world.

After being pulled back I came out again, landed by the side of my bed, I looked to my left and what caught my eye was two spindly grey legs. I looked up to see who the legs belonged to and saw it was a little man, he had a face like a middle aged human man, but had the body of a grey alien. I'm not sure why, but my first reaction was to reach out and grab him by the shoulder. After that the projection ended and I was back in my body.

The way I see it there are a couple possibilities

1. This was really an entity of some sort who came to visit me for unknown reasons.

2. It may have been a dream element in the projection

3. Maybe it was something else

does anyone have an opinion on this odd encounter? Never saw this guy in any of my other projections. If he was an entity, maybe I did something in the first projection that got his attention.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:05 AM
Now today I had two more projections, this time I just practiced my astral skills, I did pretty good at flying, but still have trouble with form changing.

First time I realized I was dreaming, came back and then projected. I checked the card on top of the cabinet I had and found three cards, there was a 7 of hearts, 8 of spades and a 9 of hearts. When I looked at these for too long the numbers began to shift. Later this turned out to be a jack, what may have screwed me up is I had a predisposition in my mind that the card would be a jack so I tried to distance myself from that by thinking about all the other cards. Then I went to the door anomaly in the other room and focused on going somewhere that time moved slower again. When I went this time, the room was decorated very oddly. There were some sort of modern art depictions of tribal warriors on the walls. The reason why I came here this time was that I wanted to practice flying. I found a balcony, but it was blocked off by a windy with plastic panes in it. I smashed through the window and dove off the balcony flying over a rainforest. I came upon some kids who were eating a pumpkin and some other vegetables on one of the ledges and gave them a scare, donít remember what I did but they freaked out and ran away. Also oddly I think my form may have shifted at some point here while I was flying , because I sort of remember looking like Lum from the anime urusei yatsura at some point during this flight. Not entirely sure why this happened, but I'm a big fan of the show and usually think how nice it would be to be able to fly around like her when I watch it, so maybe thats why? Anyway towards the end I landed by a highway and looked off in the distance to see a magnificent looking creature soaring in the sky, it was a black griffen, it looked just like a real animal, except it was a griffin. It must have been pretty large too by my estimations. At this point I got pulled back. But I knew that I was still in the theta state, so I built up some energy and came out again. Once again I checked for the card, this time there was a full deck of cards where only one should have been. This time I decided to practice form changing again, I went back to the room, focusing on going to a place where time moved more slowly. I went to a similar place to the first projection. When I went in I decided to try form shifting, I tried doing something a bit different, trying to make my energy similar to my impression of the energy of someone else I knew to see if I could use this to make myself look like them. At first it seemed to work pretty good, but it was still incomplete. I decided after that to try something different and try focusing on growing a scorpion tale, but the problem was, I was wearing pants and they were in the way, I could feel the tip kinda poking out, but it couldnít come out cuz of the pants. This is odd , because I wasnít wearing any when I went to sleep, Iím guessing maybe this is from the last form change attempt, because I may have also imagined the clothes the person I was trying to shift into was wearing. Form shifting is tricky business, I will sometimes to it accidently, such as in that last projection, but doing it intentionally seems difficult. Before I could do anything else I got called back.

Anyway two big questions, one is do you guys have any idea how I can get the card trcik to work right, I here the astral is influenced by ones mind, I'm guessing this may be the root of my troubles there. Second do you guys think the little man, the griffen and the children were entitys, or were they dream elements or something else?


Had two short projections after going to sleep, I wasn't able to find the robot though

In the first I made it out into the hall and was about to go intot he room with the door before waking up. In the second one I made it into the room, a dream version of my mom came by and started talking about stuff I ignored her and went through the door anomaly, my idea was that if I went somewhere like where I practiced flying I could cover more ground to look for the robot. Though looking back on it, if his job is to oversee me, maybe I should have just looked for him in the house. I considered asking my dream mom if she had seen him but decided just to go forward because I didn't want to waste any time when I could end up going back at any moment. I then went through the door and ended up in a room with two small windows. I went over and beat on both windows with my fists until I punched through both of them, it was decently thick glass so I had to punch them a couple times before breaking them. I probably should have just smashed one though since there was a bit of brick wall between the two of them which would have been more difficult for me to smash through. Each window was the size of a small airvent which is too small to get through, but that hasn't stopped me before as in one projection in the past I managed to get about halfway through a half foot wide door I found in the basement before waking up. Anyway I began to force the windows open so that I could try to squeeze through them to look for the robot. But then I woke up.


Something unusual happened today, as when I woke up I had a partial obe memory. I had no memory of exiting or returning or anything else which is unusual, but it seems I did remember the important part of it. I remember coming to the room anomaly and then as I heard of someone else on this forum doing I asked what the purpose of the simulation was, just to make sure our interpretations were correct. The room anomaly changed to look like a closet with no doors or windows, so that was good enough for me to know we were. Anyway I put my hands on the wall , looked at the floor and gave it a go. I was able to push through it, I remember feeling really tingly energy going through me as I went through it which was interesting. I don't remember what I saw on the other side of the wall which is a little frustrating though. Well at least it looks like I made a bit of progress there, now if only I could get form changing to work right. In my next projection I won't use any doors (aside from the door anomaly) and will just push through all the walls like I did here to make sure I got it down alright. Anyway if I get this down then I'll have mastered flying and phasing, still gotta work on form changing and teleportation , are there any other basic techniques you think the simulation will likely ask me? Maybe there will be one in how to come out in another body like the ethiric or mental though I have no idea what sort of simulation that would be.


Was in bed and realized I was in the theta state, rolled out of my body, but kept on getting pulled back when I tried to look around. So the third time I didn't try to look around and just went blind. I kinda fumbled around on the floor and mad emy way over to the door, didn't remember that I planned to phase through it til I went through it though. So I phased through the next one entering the room with the anomaly. I then felt my way along the wall until I felt the anomalous door and phased through it entering another closet like the last one.Once I did this I was able to see again. Originally I had planned to ask what the meaning of the next simulation was but forgot to do this , this time around. I thought I might try going through the wall looking through it this time. So I looked at it this time and pushed, at first the wall just got pushed back, the room was getting larger by me pushing on it. But then I asked my body to adjust its vibrations and I began to get through it, it was alomst like a swimming pool made of energy I was trying to swim through that was simultaniously trying to move further away from me, but I eventually got through it. When my vision adusted I was on a wooden floor in a rich high class bedroom that must have belong to a giant, I was tiny. Yet somehow I had a memory that I was in another bedroom where I was a giant when I saw this, maybe from the other obe that I forgot parts of. Anyway I started to fly up towards the window but fell a bit so I kinda made some swimming and flying motions with my arms to get up into the air properly and look at the giants back yard. Wasn't sure what I wanted to do yet, either practice form changing or go explore giant land. Anyway I flew at the window and then woke up.


Wah I flubbed the simulation today. Had another projection, things played out kinda like like in the last one though I never made it to the giant bedroom this time. When I came out it was kinda hard to see, but when I got in the hall I could see again this time. I tried to teleport a couple times but nothing happened so I think I'm probably doing it wrong. when I got over to the door I pushed on it and it fell off its hinges so I guess I wasnt supposed to do that this time. When I got in the closet I tried to teleport again but still couldn't do it. So I pushed on the walls and they began to move apart again and thats where it ended. I think I'll take a look in astral dynamics to see if there's anything about teleportation in there.


Ok, I cleared the growing simulation

Today when I projected it felt a little different, kinda felt like I projected out of my fore head for some reason. The previous night when doing energy work I think I overstimulated my third eye chakra , so I dunno if that had something to do with it. Anyway instead of projecting to my room like usual I projected to some place that looked like a hotel for some reason, maybe because I was in hawaii for some reason. But unlike most hotels it had a low ceiling you could touch. Anyway I decided to try growing so I grew and pushed the ceiling up higher. After that I decided to make just one indevidual part grow longer so I stretched my arm out in an attempt to grab the nose of some asian guy I assumed to be a dream character. However he sort of vanished when I tried to focus on him. So instead I snaked it over the counter in the lobby and grabbed something out from under it, cool thing about astral arms is they don't have joints so you can make them bend in ways regular arms can't. Anyway after I grabbed some cd's from under the lobby counter the simulation ended and I came back. Oh boy I wonder what the next simulation will be? I forgot to ask for a teacher in this one though which is too bad, but at least I cleared it.

EDIT

Ok went back to bed and had another projection. This is another odd one because as usual it started in a dream, but when I tried to go back to my body to project it didn't seem to work so well so I decided to try jumping to the astral by doing something else. I phased through the window of the car I was in, inside the dream which seemed to be a bit more difficult then usual, maybe because it was a dream and not a proper projection. My intent was that after phasing through the window I would get to the astral. After phasing through it with a small amount of difficulty I fell out the window, instead of landing on the freeway I phased to a place that seemed to be a cross between my old house and a farm. This was alot like when I phased to the bedroom from the closet in that I seemed to black out, diving into a sea of energy before ending up in a new place. Anyway I had no clue what this simulation was about, I tried growing again and then I decided to try shrinking which I was able to do fairly easily, though I had trouble when I got about 1-2 ft high because I kept accidently growing again, I wanted to shrink down small enough to turn the shag carpet into a jungle but didn't quite get there. Oddly one of the times I shrunk my body seemed to temporarily melt into this puddle of rubber before snapping back to its proper form. After that I decided to try form changing, with only partial success as usual, oddly part of my body turned transparant like glass when I did this, I have no idea why though. I can accidently turn into puddles but can't properly change forms yet which is a bit frustrating. Anyway I gave up on that and went down into a stairwell with no stairs. I looked out and somehow saw a freeway by the side of the house even though I should not have been able to see it. On the side of the road was a billboard that had been graftied on, originally I think it read "unlawful acts will be punished by god" though with the grafity over it it read "playful acts will be punished by the system" anyway I began to fly up intending to land on top of a nearby barn, I suppose I could of grown larger and just stepped out of there too but didn't think of it at the time. This is where this projection ended, once again I completely forgot to ask for the the teacher, gotta remember to do that. Once again I have no clue what this next simulation is supposed to teach, hopefully things will become clearer in the next one, or maybe I'll remember to ask for the teacher and it will tell me, I'll just have to wait and see.

Anyway I noticed two things here, one is I could see again, also both these projections bypassed my room. Even when in hawaii, at least one of my projections went to my room, so why is it now I'm going to these new places without having to enter the door anomaly?


Maybe I should do like I did in that dream from now on without bothering to come back to my body first? Is there any real benefit to coming back to one's body first? Or should I just try directly phasing to some astral zone like I did that time?

Anyway this relates a bit to two short projections this morning. Looks like I'm not rid of the blind projections yet, at least not when I project to my room. In the first one I projected and only made it to the door before going back, in the next one I made it to the room witht he anomaly and when I did I could see again. But the room was different, it didn't have the door anomaly this time. Just green wallpaper with a cd rack like in my room and nothing else in it.

Could this simulation be how to jump to the astral using some other method like teleporting or maybe phasing, I've already used phasing twice to jump to some random place. Someone else mentioned going into a painting to get there, but how would that work? Also blind projecting could present a problem if I can't see the painting. I'll just wait and see if the room is the same the next time I project. I did try asking for a teacher this time, but no one responded, wonder if they got my message?

EDIT:

Ok had a third projection, this time I didn't try to go in the room, maybe I should have because if it looked the same that might be a valuable clue. Anyway I tried asking what the purpose of the simulation was when I saw a picture of a house on the wall thinking that maybe if I looked at it a clue would be in there, but I got an overwhelming feeling that if I focused on it too hard I would wake up so I looked away. I came to the stairs and leapt down the flight, landing in front of a couch sitting at the end of the room, I seemed to change size and shrink down as I did so. Sitting on the couch was my dead aunt who at the time I assumed to be a dream character but now I'm not so sure. I asked her what the purpose of the simulation was and she kind of glanced over at me but didn't say anything. At this point the projection ended and I came back.


Had another short projection this morning. Took a look around but didn't see my aunt anywhere so maybe she wasn't supposed to be the teacher afterall? I went over tot he room with the door anomaly and it was back. So I went through the door and inside was a rather dingy looking laundry room like what you would find in a basement complete with a house furnace. After that the projection ended. I still have no idea what this current simulation is supposed to be about. Using the process of eleimination I would guess this isn't a simulation for going through a painting as I would think there'd be a painting in the room if it was. This room didn't seem to go anywhere so either what I'm supposed to do doesn't have to do with traveling or I'm supposed to teleport or something. But given that kurt said teleportations more advanced it's probably something else. Maybe I'm supposed to try to master shapeshifting? Given the last simulation was about size changing that seems like the next logical step, but then again there aren't any real clues pointing in that direction either.


I had a short projection this morning, in this projection I was blind again, either that or it was just really dark. Anyway I went over tot he door in my bedroom to go out to the hall and found it was locked (this door has no lock in the physical). I started to phase through the door but after that I got pulled back. I think this is a clue to the next simulation, I'm supposed to do something in my room. My guess is that I'm supposed to give another try at looking at my body, though in a blind projection I'm not sure how well that would work. I wonder if touching it would work just as well? Either that or I'm supposed to go to the astral in a new way, either by teleporting or going into a picture.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:07 AM
Ok, I had some more projections, the first one was kinda short, in this one I tumbled out, my sight came online fairly quickly this time, so I glanced over to see if my body was there, but before I could clearly make out if anything was there I got called back. The next time I tried I immediatly turned around and once again nothing seemed to be in bed. Anyway went over to the door and it was still locked so it seems this is certainly part of this simulation and not a fluke. Unfortunately I tend to be kinda slow when I project so once again I didn't think to try asking what this was all about til I came back. However I do think I got some valuable clues that might be telling. Anyway I tried phasing through the floor with the intent to go directly to the astral , but this didn't work, I could only get about a few inches into the floor. Next I phased through the door which it allowed and I went to the door anomaly in the other room which was open, inside was a childs bedroom, the walls were plastered with drawings of snoopy from charlie brown which looked like they were drawn by a young child. It also had some of the posters that were in my room. At this point I got called back. I had a very short one a bit after this which was completely blind, I went over tot he door and gave a push but it put up some resistence, I then paused and asked what the simulation was about but then got called back before any sort of answer could be given.

So if I had to take a guess I think that this simulation is for projecting into a picture, The childs room had alot of pictures and I have plenty in my room as well which might be why it didn't want me to leave my room since I was supposed to get to the astral in a different way then usual this time. It allowed me to go through the door because when I did so I had no intention of going tot he astral that time but wanted to look at the room to find clues. I haven't yet read the part of astral dynamics that deals with this yet though so I don't know exactly how to do it yet. Of course I have been wrong plenty of times before so I might be misinterpreting the clues here Any ideas what this might be about?

I had one projection and one sort of projection this morning. If I was able to sleep in regularly I probably would have projections almost every day, but work schedual doesn't allow for this so I've been working on trying to project earlier in the night and it looks like it might be paying off. Given that I had these today and one earlier in the week during a work day.

The first projection I kinda screwed up because I thought that I was in my physical body. The reason being that for unknown reasons the mass in my astral body seemed to increase to be as heavy as I am physically so that I hit the floor pretty hard when tumbling out. I thought I had literally rolled out of bed so I just got back up and went back to sleep. Looking back on this though I know it was a projection for several reasons. One is that it should have made alot more noise if I had really fallen out of bed, another is that it didn't hurt and lastly my blankets weren't disturbed which they should have been if that happened. I don't remember straightening them up or anything. I don't know if the mass increase was part of the simulation or not.

The next time I was in a dream that I was in some sort of shopping mall. At some point I realized this was a dream and ran over to the toys section for some reason. When I was there I noticed a katana sword and got an idea, I had never tried taking a dream object with me when phasing to differen't places, so I wondered what would happen if I tried. So I went over and picked up the katana, the craftmanship was a bit shoddy but unlike the other objects there it wasn't a toy. Anyway I placed one hand behind the hilt and pushed it against the concrete wall, focusing on having the sword syncronise with it like my body does when phasing. Sure enough the katana began to phase through the wall. I stopped it a couple inches from fully going in because if it went in without me I would probably lose track of it. I then began to phase into the wall but got some resistance. At this point a dream version of my step dad came up and began talking about random things which destracted me and the dream ended.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 2:35 pm

And here are my two newest projections

Anyway it seems my efforts to project earlier really have paid off because I had another one today.

Also in this one the door unlocked, if as Kurt said the purpose of that simulation was to communicate with my environment, I think I may have inadvertantly fullfilled that requirment in the projection with the sword. In that one I communicated my intention to the sword to have it phase with me. Oddly it did a better job then I did going into that wall which I had trouble with. I assumed this was because the locked door simulation was preventing me from going through the wall, but this wouldn't make sense if I fullfilled the requirements when I communicated with the sword. An alternate reason may be because it was a concrete wall as some have said some different materials take more effort and I havent phased through concrete before so that might be why. On the other hand, excluding the stuff that happened in the locked door simulation I never had that much trouble phasing through anything so I can't say that for sure.

anyway in todays projection I rolled out and checked the door, it opened. Originally I was planning on trying to ask objects some questions and maybe try to call my spirit guide like natalie did in a projection she posted in the obe forum, but unfortunately I forgot to do that. I then went over to the room with the door anomaly and found it was a bathroom this time. Anyway after that I went out in the hallway and looked down the stairs to see a small boy and a small girl playing in the room below. For some reason I decided to greet them in an overly enthusiastic way, literally the same way Hobbs greets Calvin in the Calvin and Hobbs comic strip. I leapt past the flight of stairs pouncing on them. Now this sounds like a bad thing to do to little kids, but that didn't occur to me then as my mind seems to not think things through as much in the astral, I was just trying to say hi in an overly enthusiastic way. Anyway they seemed to know what I was doing and wern't scared by my flashy entrance and just giggled about it. I asked them what their names were, the girl didn't answer but the boy said his name which I didn't quite get. I asked him if he said his name was Modrien and he said "No it's Rodrien" or maybe that's Rodrian? The girl then commented that he was named that because his parents were religious, I personally don't ever recall hearing of a name like that though. I then asked him if he could spell it out, so we went over to the fridge and he got out some chinese food which doesn't exist in the physical world. He then proceeded to attempt to draw out his name in the food, but the food wasn't cooperating which was causing him to get a little frustrated. Before he could try anymore though I got called back. The identitys of these kids is mysterious, I don't know if they were part of a simulation or if they were just passing through. If this was part of a simulation it may be another communication based simulation as these kids were the first beings I met in the astral that I could have a meaningful conversation with.


Newest projection:

I had another projection today, as Korpo suggested when I popped out I went over to the room to see if the shower was there and it was. The room was dark so I tried doing that light beam trick again with no success, I also tried glowing in the dark but this din't work so well either so I decided to just do it in the dark. So I took off my clothes and turned on the shower getting in. At some point the lights came on, on their own. But about mid way through the shower I got distracted by some things which may have thrown this simulation off track. Though be that as it may those things that distracted me did help me learn a few new tricks. One was that I tried to shape shift in the shower, and amazingly I think I actually managed to do it 100% correctly this time, in the past I always never quite got it right, but it seemed to work this time. Though as soon as I took my attention off it I reverted back to normal, so I still gotta work on that. Next I decided to try manifesting an object, so I looked away and summoned some underwear to put on, at this point the shower had turned off on its own. After putting on the underwear I tried to turn it back on and the projection ended. Once again I forgot to try calling my spirit guide, I gotta try harder to remember doing that. Another idea I had was the next time the lighting is dim, if I still can't create the light beam, I might try to manifest a light saber, yeah I know a flashlight could work too, but a lightsaber is cooler.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Dec 18, 2010 3:31 pm

Hello, defectron.

Nice to hear you went ahead with the shower. It is interesting the light went on while you did it - again some feedback. You could either take it as telling you that what you did was "a bright idea." Or you could take it as helping you achieve a greater degree of "illumination" (mental clarity, etc.). The shower was needed to achieve that, that's why the light wouldn't come on before you used the symbolical shower to cleanse yourself.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 18, 2010 4:53 pm

So if the shower helped me get to another level of illumination, do you think this is why I was able to shape shift correctly this time? I was never able to it quite right before. Also I've never tried to manifest objects before so I can't really compare my success there to anything I did previously. Anyway I'll see if the shower is still there next time or if it served its purpose this time around.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:08 AM
Ok, had a new projection this morning and I believe this was my first run in with a neg.

Anyways, at some point in the early morning I realized I was in the theta state, so I began swishing my energy back and forth as I always do before projecting when I realize I'm in this state. Anyway I rolled out and landed on the floor, once again I was blind so I felt my way over to the room with the door anomaly. As I suspected it was the bathroom again, probably because I got distracted by a bunch of random things last time rather then properly finishing the shower. So anyway I turned on the shower again and got inside, after doing so the lights came on. After a bit of showering I decided to try calling my spirit guide like natalie did so that I could talk about these simulations. Anyway I called out for my spirit guide, at first nothing happened, but then I noticed someone standing next to the shower. It was a really creepy looking little boy, when he came in the bathroom save for the shower sort of changed appearance, I forget exactly how though, only that alot of the room was no longer a bathroom. He looked tobe about five and he had really irregular eyes, they were pools of dark grey, not quite black like the black eyed children some people report or grey alien eyes, but really dark grey nonetheless, later his eyes would change to look kind of snake like. Also one arm seemed to be alot longer then the other which was smaller and looked sort of deformed, on the end of each of his fingers it looked like he had claws too. When he showed up I asked him if he was my spirit guide. He sort of hissed out the word "yessss" , something wasn't right here I was getting a really bad feeling from this kid. I could tell whoever or whatever this kid was, he was lying and was probably up to no good. Maybe I should have been a bit more diplomatic here given that I didn't know anything about him but since I tend to react more impulsively in the astral one thing lead to another. So I reached out and grabbed him by the throat before pinning him against the wall before pulling back ready to punch him. I tried to say Samuel L Jacksons line from pulp fiction but my memory tends to not be as good while projecting so I just said something that sounded kind of like it. I said "You better tell me the truth or I will rain lightning down on you from heaven! Now your going to tell me, are you my spirit guide?" he sort of shook his head and said "N-No!". I then released him and told him to leave, he ran out of the room and didn't come back, after that I resumed taking a shower. Seems I just can't take an astral shower in peace, if I'm not interupted by my own impulses , some neg boy comes and trys to throw things off track. After this my memory gets kind of fuzzy, I do remember something else later, but I think it may have been a dream inspired by that projection rather then a continuation of it, I'm not 100% sure though so I'll post it anyway. In my memory of what may have been a dream I was in bed, sitting under the covers on the other side of the bed was a man and a woman who looked to be a couple. The woman told me the neg boy I ran into earlier was her little brother. We then talked about a bunch of things I can't remember. Like I was saying earlier, I wouldn't take that last part to heart since it may have been a dream. But yeah my advice is to watch out when calling your spirit guide, because sometimes the wrong person might answer your call.

I'm not sure if this was part of the simulation or not, if it was maybe it was a simulation for telling the identies of beings one runs into on the astral. But then again letting a real neg into the simulations sounds kind of dangerous, though I imagine a real scenerio would work better then one that was set up. Or maybe it was just a neg who somehow got in on its own, I'm really not sure there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:27 am

Hello, defectron.

Kurt identifies the fourth chakra (heart chakra) with the ability to identify the function of a being, also including a basic awareness of its friendliness. So that could have been a simulation to help develop this.

On the other hand it could have been a thought/feeling form you were trying to get rid off. That would make sense of it appearing in the context of having a shower. In the astral aspects of you can appear outside of you, and even feelings can appear as entities. Kurt calls such embodiments of energies "Creatures."

It could have been a neg, it could have been an embodiment of your own concern about being deceived and misled, or it could have been a dream/simulation character. A really interesting thing happening is probably the talk with the woman you had afterward, this might have been your actual guide, maybe even a debriefing of the simulation (if it was one).

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 20, 2010 12:08 pm

or it could have been a dream/simulation character.


I don't think it was a dream character, the vibe I was getting from him felt more real then that. Also the dream characters and objects I interact with when I project seem to be much less stable, they usually vanish or change into something else when I focus on them and I was probably focusing on him harder then any other being I've met since I projected. Though if it was a character generated by the simulation, could it generate a specific feeling identical to what I would feel in the presence of a neg or a negative thought form?

A really interesting thing happening is probably the talk with the woman you had afterward, this might have been your actual guide, maybe even a debriefing of the simulation (if it was one).


I wish I remembered more of what we talked about, all I remember was her saying the creepy kid from earlier was her brother, though I didn't get any bad vibes from her. If they were both generated by the simulation, or if they were both thought forms made by me, it would make sense that she would call him her little brother.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:24 am

Had a short projection today, rolled out and went over to the room with the anomaly, this time that rooms door was locked, the projection ended after checking the door. I'm guessing the meaning behind this could be simialer to the last locked room and the washroom simulations because there were a few things I was putting off recently.


by Korpo on Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:53 am

defectron wrote:
"all I remember was her saying the creepy kid from earlier was her brother, though I didn't get any bad vibes from her. If they were both generated by the simulation, or if they were both thought forms made by me, it would make sense that she would call him her little brother."


Initially, when developing your OOB communications skills, exchanges can seem pretty strange. Your inner sense is developing very similar to the motoric skill in a toddler - a toddler might be able to walk, but just a few steps, maybe erratic, then over time more consistently, and better and better, till finally at some point the motion of the child is developed sufficiently and considered natural and effortless.

In a similar sense, initially your inner senses find a very coarse equivalent to translate the energy you receive into, maybe the terms are all wrong, but the inherent relationship is the same (little brother - something related to me but smaller), but the sentence as such makes no sense or cannot be taken literally. Over time this develops into a more precise communication where you find more and more fitting equivalents inside for the information you receive energetically, and then you can correctly translate what is said. It's very similar to trying to learn a foreign language with just some basic words as vocabulary and then regularly talking with native speakers and not much else. If you do that consistently enough, you would over time build a vocabulary and be able to express and understand more things as well.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Dec 23, 2010 4:09 pm

Initially, when developing your OOB communications skills, exchanges can seem pretty strange. Your inner sense is developing very similar to the motoric skill in a toddler - a toddler might be able to walk, but just a few steps, maybe erratic, then over time more consistently, and better and better, till finally at some point the motion of the child is developed sufficiently and considered natural and effortless.


Do you think this is why most beings that I've communicated with appeared as children?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Thu Dec 23, 2010 6:38 pm

Hello, defectron.

Well, size means what your inner senses read about someone. The question is what. For me it often is "spiritual size" - the higher a being in terms of spiritual development, the bigger. So, astral level beings might be children for you. The couple you talked to in a recent experience seemed to be guides, and lo and behold - they were portrayed as adults. Maybe that's what you try to express with size?

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Dec 25, 2010 10:48 am

Oh boy, looks like I'm entering into a new simulation of some sort

Today , something really interesting happened, these past few days I've been taking choline and Galantamine in an effort to induce sleep paralysis and it may have worked. What happened is I was lying down and all of a sudden I felt a pressure on my chest that spread to the rest of my body, but this didn't feel like the usual sleep paralysis feeling. It felt more like something was squashing down on my physical body so that my astral would pop out, which is exactly what happened, you know how sometimes your physical body will tug on you with some invisible force when your nearby, well it was the opposite of that as I was sent tumbling out to the side of my bed as if blown by a wind. anyway I was blind but was used to this by now and didn't even think of it as I ran over to the door, out into the hall , into the room where my sight dimly came back online and through the door anomaly which was wide open, as I went inside things became extremely vivid. I was walking into what looked to be an old fashioned country home. There was a rocking chair, a dining room table and other things like that on a wooden floor. The place was dimly lit with blue light like in early morning when the sun rises. Anyway I then happened upon the first thing that stood out, there was a terrarium in the middle of the floor, inside it was my pet tortoise. In some of my early projections I actually tried to check on him, but like my body in bed he was never there when I checked because it was the astral. But here he was, he looked slightly bigger then in the physical. I walked over and picked him up, as he waved his limbs around, looking over at me. I asked "Hey hows it going? What are you doing over here?" I noticed he had a wadded up paper towel stuck to the bottom of his shell for some reason, maybe this is a clue of some sort? The projection ended after that. I prior to the locked door and shower projections I did have one projection where I went to some place that looked to be a farm, jumping there directly from the astral, for some reason I never went back there. But this was a farmy looking house, so maybe its related. One thing I notice is both the tortois as well as the woman who appeared to be my dead aunt both just sort of look over at me without saying anything when I talked to them. Though in this case I wasn't seriously trying to talk to him as this is how I always greet my pet tortois in the physical, but this was the astral so having him talk back now wouldnt be inconceivable though he didn't this time.

The farm projection is the second one in this post

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:09 AM
WHOOOOAAAH! I had a mega breakthrough projection today, probably my longest one ever! And I'm not entirely sure but I may have cleared the simulation, I don't know if I did or not though as this was a communication based simulation and I was only able to meaningfully communicate with certain things in it. but some things are certainly better then none so I think that's a pretty good start. Anyway this is a new record as I feel this projection was at least a half hour long if not a bit more. None of my projections have lasted that long.

This one started from a dream I don't particularly remember what the dream was about, but I suddenly realized that this was a dream and I should try jumping tot he astral. Immediatly I pressed my hands tot he ground and began to phase into it , once again pulling myself into the black sea of energy. Once my vision cleared I was in a place that I believe I caught a very brief glimpse of in one very short projection where I jumped but woke up right after getting to. The place was a bedroom with a bright orange bed in it. I took a look around, I had been expecting the farm house, but while some things were a bit simialer there were differences too such as the bed. The floor in both places was greyish wooden planks though. Anyway I began to go about the house looking for my tortoise since he was in my last projection. I then came upon an old couple on a couch and tried to talk to them. Neither reacted so I tried to reach out and touch them but they vanished, they had been dream characters. I then tried asking random objects about the house what was going on in the simulation, at first nothing was responding, the most I got was that I think one object shifted to look a little different when asked. I got a bit frustrated by that so I went over by the window and looked out on the deck over a bog, looked interesting out there, I thought I might go fly around. I began to phase through the window, but had a feeling if I did the projection would end. I didn't have anything to lose so I figured I would stick around and ask more objects some questions, I then noticed what looked to be a tree growing out of the wall of all places. I went over and asked it what was going on and the tree hugged me. I then noticed , sitting up on top of the branch that was hugging me was an ape man with snow white fur and a long face that seemed to be a cross between a humans and a baboons. I then said "What's the purpose of this simulation? This is a simulation for communication right?"

The Ape man nodded in response and said in a somewhat jolly sounding voice, "Yes that's right!"

The tree was still hugging me as we were talking and I said "Clingy fellow isn't he?" remarking about the tree. I don't remember if he said anything else, but the projection ended somewhere around there.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Sun Dec 26, 2010 11:58 pm

Defectron
I have read through your entire journal and you have Definately hit on something. You mentioned PHASING into the astral from a dream. Yeah, brilliant. I have read a lot about phasing and, until now, nothing seemed to make sense. So I continued to induce my OBEs the 'old fashion' way. But Phasing out of a dream into an OBE does make good sense. Because once in a dream the normal, everyday consciousness is passive while an altered state of consciousness, the dream consciousness, is dominant. Therefore it Should be MUCH easier to phase out of a dream into an OBE than to phase out of waking everyday consciousness into OOB.
I realize that this might not make much sense to some people. Yet, believe me that there is NO way I can phase otherwise. Inducing OBEs on a regular basis can best be done directly from a dream (again for me anyway). Perhaps some type of phasing method is the key. I will have to think and experiment this through some more.

Regards
Grey
greytraveller


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 27, 2010 1:03 am

Perhaps some type of phasing method is the key. I will have to think and experiment this through some more.


Phasing to the astral is actually pretty simple, just phase into something in your dream with the intention of coming out in the astral. I'm honestly not sure how specific this can get though given that I just let it take me to wherever the simulations want me to go. But if your not currently running through the simulations, maybe you can use it to go to more specific places, I'm really not sure. I recall cf traveler saying once that she phased like I did but came out in a random spot by accident.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by natalie-1984 on Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:05 am

So do all dreams take place outside of the body then? Because I would think that if I tried to change my dream into an OOBE I would just end up thinking it was a dream. I like having my OOBE's while I am about to fall asleep that way I am conscience at the time. When you phase into the astral from a dreamstate, does it suddenly feel real? My dreams vary in degrees of lucidity so it's hard for me to imagine going from a regular nonsense dream to having an OOBE.
Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
natalie-1984

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Dec 27, 2010 2:59 am

From what I understand dreams are supposed to be a sort of projection, but when your in a dream zone other things in the astral can't really interact with you, it's not public, at least I think that's how its supposed to be. This makes sense, because what I used to do is when I realized I was dreaming I would go back to my body and then jump back out again to project. Phasing just cuts that part out going straight to the astral.

When you phase into the astral from a dreamstate, does it suddenly feel real? My dreams vary in degrees of lucidity so it's hard for me to imagine going from a regular nonsense dream to having an OOBE.


Yeah it does, the dream I had today actually wasn't very lucid at all and seemed kinda fuzzy without much clarity despite me realizing it was a dream, so it was a big jump going to the house with the ape man which was a pretty realistic place.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:16 am

OK, looks like I probably cleared that last communication simulation, because I came to a new place this time

How I got there is odd though, I dreampt that I fell asleep on the couch in the room downstairs so when I projected I was in that room when I came out. Anyway first I began to phase through the window but decided not to so then I tried to go through the floor but was prevented and remembered I should check the room anomaly. So I ren up stairs and went into the door. Inside was some sort of little chinese building, not really sure what the word for it is, but it seemed to be some sort of chinese semi interior garden with bamboo shoots growing inside, I could see that part of it at least was exposed tot he sky though. Anyway I began to walk inside when a bamboo shoot came out and poked me in the shoulder preventing me from walking forward. I tried to walk forward again and it poked me again and I woke up. I'm really not sure what I was supposed to do here, maybe I should have asked the bamboo what the deal with that was. I'll have to see if I go back to the same place next time.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Dec 30, 2010 12:32 pm

Had two short projections today

The first one seemed to be another sleep parlysis induced projectrion, but I woke up right after I fell out and landed on the floor.

The next one was a little longer and I made it to the door anomaly. It was the bathroom again, maybe the bamboo didn't let me into the chinese garden because I needed another astral shower?
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Dec 31, 2010 10:38 am

Had a short but interesting sleep paralysis induced projection just now. There may have also been some sort of entity there, but then again it couldve just been effects of the sleep parlysis playing with my mind. Anyway I was lying in bed when I felt the sleep paralysis effects come on. Now here's the odd part, I heard what felt like crunching leaves and sensed something crouching over me, whatever it was if I was sensing right and it wasn't just the sleep paralysis seemed to grab me out of my body and toss me on the floor. now here's another odd thing, was tiny when this happened, my room was giant just like the size changing simulation except it was my room. Immediatly I had myself grow back to normal size. I had intended to grow even larger in case something was really here but ended up waking up before I could probably because I was trying too hard to see if something was there and opened my eyes which is too bad because my sleep paralysis induced projections are usually pretty interesting. But yeah, as I was growing I could still hear the crunching leaves noises. Do you guys think something else was really there?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Sat Jan 01, 2011 5:56 pm

Happy New Year defectron.
You asked,
"Do you guys think something else was really there?"


I believe that although it Is possible that it is, however, most unlikely. Much more probably you had an excess of energy and a strong desire to go OOB. Those two factors combined to effect, what I like to call, a spontaneous vortex projection, which is a quick 'ejection' of the astral/ethereal body out of the physical body. This can also happen when a person consumes alcohol and/or drugs. Although these projections are sudden and dramatic they are usually not painful or dangerous. So unless there Was some sign of an astral being or presence noticable after the initial separation I'd hazard the guess that you did Not have an unwanted visitor last night.

Regards
Grey
greytraveller


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:15 am

Those two factors combined to effect, what I like to call, a spontaneous vortex projection, which is a quick 'ejection' of the astral/ethereal body out of the physical body


Ah, thanks for the explanation. Too bad I woke up as these sorts of projections tend to be very lucid and realistic for me.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:11 AM
Just had a really interesting projection!

Anyway I partially woke up , but wasn't relaxed enough to project, guessing I was in deep alpha, felt like I was almost there but not quite.

Anyway I waited a bit and then when I was relaxed enough I rolled my energy around until I tumbled out. I then went over to the door anomaly in the other room and entered , whats interesting is inside it mostly looked like my bedroom, but there was also a closet, inside this was a bathroom. I went inside, but there was no shower, there was a sink and a toilet though. I went over to the sink and started to wash up. I then noticed something, the mirror in this bathroom accurately reflected my astral form, usually when I use a mirror in the astral usually my reflection distorts if I look at it too much, especially if I try shape shifting. I decided to try shape shifting after noticing that, instead of the usual sort of thing I do I just decided to shift a single part of me this time, I focused on growing a third eye. My fore head seemed to bulge a bit in the mirror as a new closed eye formed on it. It then opened, the iris was a brilliant golden amber that almost seemed to be glowing, it wasn't unlike the girls eyes in the image below from the comic I'm writing for, except not anime looking but like a real eye with the same colors.

http://img152.imageshack.us/i/capt2pag18.jpg/

Anyway as cool as this looked it was a bit unnerving having the third eye looking back at me so I closed it. Anyway what's cool though is it didn't dissapear after I took my attention off it. In the past whenever I shifted, I would go back to normal once my attention was off it, but this didn't happen here. If it is still there next time I think I'll keep it, because having a third eye looks kinda cool, I also always kinda wished I had eyes colored like that too for some reason.

Anyway one other thing and I don't know if this is related or not. I already mentioned in kurts topic that when doing energy work if I focus on a body part and look at it I feel an invisible beam of what feels sort of like static shoot out of my third eye chakra hitting it. Today I also felt a cold spot in addition to this when I did energy work.

One more thing, this might sound like an odd thing to do, but should I have tried using the astral toilet in addition to the sink? There was no shower in this bathroom, it was just the sink and toilet.

EDIT:

Had another obe later, this time when I went there the bathroom was there but not the copy of my room. The third eye from the last one was also gone, maybe I'll try growing it again later to see if it sticks or not like last time. Anyway I'm not sure if this bathroom had a shower or not, I know in the first one the shower was absent. Before I could try to use anything in the bathroom the second time though I woke up.


by Korpo on Sun Jan 02, 2011 4:21 pm

Hello, defectron.

Remember that what you see are symbols. If you see a toilet, shower, etc., it's a symbol for the opportunity to release. It might be also interesting to ask what you are releasing while doing it. Experiment with it a bit.

Very cool with the eye. Have you ever thought about what you're seeing with in nonphysical reality? Did opening or closing the eye have any side effects for you?

Cheers,
Oliver
"In all the universe, the only power beyond the mind's comprehension is the power to comprehend the power of the mind." - "Sam & Max - The Penal Zone"

Korpo

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 02, 2011 5:25 pm

Remember that what you see are symbols. If you see a toilet, shower, etc., it's a symbol for the opportunity to release. It might be also interesting to ask what you are releasing while doing it. Experiment with it a bit.


Yeah I was thinking that something might be a little different this time given the absence of the shower, so the toilet and sink might represent something different then what the shower did. Also when I made the third eye it stayed out for the duration of the projection, could this be because I used the sink? I'm not sure what the sink or shower specifically represented, but I do remember that I was able to properly shape shift the first time when using the shower, and when using the sink I was able to make it stick even when not paying attention tot he eye. This could all just be a coincidence, but I can't rule out the possibility that it isn't related. But yeah that's a good idea, I'll have to ask the sink and toilet what it is they represent.

I didn't notice any side effects, though this might be because my other eyes were open. Next time I get the chance I'll try closing my other eyes to see if things look differen't or maybe I'll try growing it when I have another blind projection.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 03, 2011 6:59 pm

Had a really short projection this morning, nothing too special happened, just walked over to the room anomaly but woke up before I could get inside it.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 06, 2011 10:46 am

I had another short projection today. I was blind all the way through this one, I wish I had remembered to try growing a third eye again to try seeing but I forgot. One thing thats interesting is when I came out I was carrying an envelope in one hand. Of course I didn't see what was in this because I was blind. I then tried to phase to the astral but couldn't. I then went over tot he room anomaly to see if the bathroom was still there. I couldn't see, but I had a feeling there was something left to get rid of, I'm thinking what I need to get rid of is lingering doubts about what I need to get rid of. What's cool is that my astral senses worked really well this time, even though I couldn't see I had no trouble at all going about and perceiving stuff.

Anyway after that I woke up
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Thu Jan 06, 2011 4:17 pm

defectron
Next time that you are blind during an OBE try one of the following affirmations, "Clarity Now !", "Sight Now!" or "I want vision Now". These affirmations have been, in general, successful for me. Though they do not work All the time they Do work enough of the time so that they are worthwhile trying.

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Fri Jan 07, 2011 6:58 am

Hello, defectron.

I find it very interesting how well you function in this OBE even though part of your usual perception is unavailable. I think this shows the amount of mental flexibility you have accrued in the challenges you have been exposed to. Kudos!

Still, I would suggest inquiring more into what is going on in the environments you find yourself in instead of applying some sort of premade solution. While finding the bathroom has proven useful to you in the past, it can also get limiting quickly. Think of yourself as a detective, a real snoop (remember "Snoopy?"). You're finding out what is going on.

That attitude would serve you in any kind of situation you would find yourself in, be it simulation or something else. Your environs will always yield clues to as what is going on, and these clues will be your guide to understanding your experience.

Even in the case you've been worried about recently - if you ever encountered a not-so-pleasant construct. Not taking the nature of your surroundings for granted would be like taking a page from PaleHorse's and Kurt's playbook at the same time, different though they may be at times. By assuming less you learn more. There's a delicate balance to be found, but only experience can teach that.

Having said that I think you will be able to build on past successes.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:22 pm

Yeah I'll have to try those affirmations, though I wanted to try making a third eye again just because I also wanted to see if it unlocked any other senses. Maybe it did back then and I still had them this time even though it wasn't there because I was alot better at detecting unseen things then usual.

Still, I would suggest inquiring more into what is going on in the environments you find yourself in instead of applying some sort of premade solution. While finding the bathroom has proven useful to you in the past, it can also get limiting quickly. Think of yourself as a detective, a real snoop (remember "Snoopy?"). You're finding out what is going on.


My idea was if the bathroom was still there I would ask it specifically what I needed to do. But do you think I should try looking for clues in other places besides the bathroom? Usually when I have obes where I come out of my body directly I just go over to the room anomaly since that seems to be where stuff happens, but maybe I should look in other places too?
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Jan 08, 2011 6:31 am

Hmm. Hard to say. I guess going to the anomaly is a good thing, but whenever you don't understand something or something is missing you could ask again "What am I to do here?" and see if something comes up that either directly or indirectly tells you.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:45 am

That sounds like a good plan

I had one new projection and one new sort of projection today.

The first time started as a dream where I was either logging in or logging out at work. Then I went to some room where I was confronted with some strange european man with three eyes. Funny thing is his eyes seemed to shift between regular and snake like eyes. Anyway this guy came over to me and began to talk about something, dunno what though as I can't remember now. But I was getting kind of a bad feeling from this guy, he then reached out and grabbed my hand which caused a tingly feeling and then I realised this was a dream. I broke away and told him to leave me alone or I would destroy him. After shoing him away I then pressed my hands on the floor trying to phase to the astral but it didn't work. I then tried something a bit different, phasing with the intent to go to the room anomaly. This time I was able to phase, but after entering the sea of energy, I got apprehensive that I would wake up before reaching my destination and that's what happened.

The next projection I was in a dream at first and I left some co-workers flying down the hallway, as I was flying I realized this was a dream and dropped down to the floor, placing my hands on it and phased with the intent to go to the simulation.Oddly I phased into my bed instead of ending up in the bathroom or wherever like I was expecting. When I got out of bed, I noticed things looked awfully realistic, I brreifly wondered if I had somehow done a realtime projection, but when I went out in the hallway a plastic penguin simialer to the one in my room was standing there, except this one had a beak shaped likea toucans. I think this may have been the environments way of telling me I was still in simulation space. I think the lucidity part of the sixth chakra has been activated because all the recent projections I could see in have all been pretty lucid. Anyway I went over to the room but once more I woke up before I could see properly what was inside. This is so frustrating as I haven't been able to properly make it over there since the third eye projection. I just want to find out what I'm supposed to do here. Maybe I should have tried asking questions to some stuff outside the room?

Anyway before going to bed I tried taking some calea leaves to induce lucid dreams and/or sleep parlysis, seems this worked, though not until later in the morning.

EDIT: Looked up penguins on the dream website http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... ch=penguin so maybe this means whatever issue is causing me trouble with the bathrooms might not be something big. One idea is maybe to let go of preconceptions, the reason why I think that is because I think its possible maybe I got ejected was because I was expecting the answer to be in the bathroom when I was supposed to look elsewhere? Then again maybe I just got too excited and woke up, we'll have to see what happens next time.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:12 AM
Hello, defectron.

Alternatively a penguin is an "odd bird." It's rather different from what you would expect when somebody tells you about a bird. And yours even had a different beak, making it a "really odd bird." It could be a message not to fall into the trap of conventional thinking or following preconceptions. Do what the penguin did in its evolution - adapt to your environment.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 10, 2011 10:42 am

Maybe preconceptions are what need to be gotten rid of?

Anyway I had a few short experiences this morning.

In the first I felt my legs lift into the air, in the past I figured out whenever I get this sensation it's my astral legs. But the odd thing was that I didn't think I was in the right state of mind tobe doing any sort of projecting as I was almost awake. I kind of glanced over at where I felt my legs lifting and actually saw two legs in the air. Oddly these were wearing pants but I wasn't at the time. Later I kinda kicked myself for not taking advantage of that and using it to project, but at the moment I was too confused about why my legs were doing that when I didn't seem to be in the right state.

Later it happened again and this time I did project off it. I was blind again, but I forgot all about using the affirmation or growing a third eye. Anyway I thought I might try something different so instead of going to the room anomaly I headed over to the stairs and leapt down them. I was still blind but it felt like I was falling longer then usual. Eventually I touched down, after doing so I was going to try asking some objects some questions but then I woke up. I still don't know if my projections have been short lately due to doing something against the simulations or if its some other issue. This one would suggest it might be another issue since I didn't try going to the anomaly this time. But I can't say for sure.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:38 am

Had a partial obe today, my arm kind of came out so I started to use it to pull myself out but got too excited and woke up, gotta stop doing that.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:46 am

Ok had some obe stuff going on today

First I had a dream, I was wandering around in the upper floor of a building when I went into a bathroom. But I had a feeling this was the wrong bathroom. So I came out and looked, someone had scraped off the signs for the mens and womens bathroom so it was hard to tell which was which. Anyway after that I realized this was a dream so I tried to phase to the astral but I got blocked. Then I tried jumping to the simulation but still got blocked. Then I thought maybe I wasn't supposed to leave here this time so I began to float away but then I got woken up so it seems that wasn't it. Maybe this time I was supposed to go back to my body and then project out again?

Anyway I had another dream and began to phase to the simulation but woke up about halfway through phasing.

Now the third time was the charm because I actually got out this time. I was lying there half alseep when for some reason I tried phasing my physical arm into my bed which obviously didn't work, but what did work was that my astral arm came out and phased into it. This was really odd, because I was at least semi awake but able to come out. I even reached my pother physcial arm over and touched the arm that had become dissasociated with my astral arm that was currently inside my bed, my physical arm felt numb when I touched it. I then took my astral arm out and used it to pull myself out of my body. I then went out in the hallway and asked the purpose of the simulation. A rack of blue bags then appeared on the wall after I asked that. I went over to the room anomaly and just as I was about to see what was inside I woke up.

Anyway here's a few observations, I looked up bags in the online dream encyclopedia and these symbolise baggage so this must be stuff I still need to get rid of. I probably should have looked inside the bags. another observationis this simulation seems to be trying harder then all the others to keep me out of the open astral since dream phasing only works when I have an exceptionally strong intention to go the simulation and nowhere else, in addition it doesn't even seem to want me to even look at the room anomaly much less go in it. Anyway I need to find out exactly what these issues are I need to get rid of, I've been doing my best to deal with what I can think of but it looks like something may still be there I'm over looking or maybe not looking at from the right angle. Next time I'm going to try to call my spirit guide again to see if I can get some answers here.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:52 am

"First I had a dream, I was wandering around in the upper floor of a building when I went into a bathroom. But I had a feeling this was the wrong bathroom. So I came out and looked, someone had scraped off the signs for the mens and womens bathroom so it was hard to tell which was which. Anyway after that I realized this was a dream so I tried to phase to the astral but I got blocked. Then I tried jumping to the simulation but still got blocked. Then I thought maybe I wasn't supposed to leave here this time so I began to float away but then I got woken up so it seems that wasn't it. Maybe this time I was supposed to go back to my body and then project out again?"
I would say you were supposed to stay there and see what would happen next, walk around the area keeping your lucidity to figure it out.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 20, 2011 5:59 pm

Could be, though I actually had decided to stay but it still ended. I can't say whether this was a simulation ejection or something else though.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Thu Jan 20, 2011 10:18 pm

Maybe it was just time to get up. Sometimes that happens.
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Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Jan 22, 2011 7:38 am

ok finnally made it out of that bathroom sinulatioin. It appears my suspicions were correct as tot he nature of what needed to be purged because I'm in a new simulation now.

I rolled out of bed and was blind, forgot to make any effort to see using those methods though. I then made my way to the room anomaly and whent inside. When it came on it was some sort of mini gym/personal trainers area. Anyway I asked the purpose of the simulation but didn't immediatly notice anything, so I pounced on a recling chair and tried asking it some questions but it didn't immediatly respond. Anyway I was about to try calling my guide when I remembered that last time I tried the neg boy showed up and tried to fool me. So before calling I began to try to manifest a katana, just in case any unwelcomr wound the room visitors showed up when I called. I reached over and tried to grab the katana where I imagined it but it wasn't there. In one of the grabs I grabbed some keys though, maybe the chair gave them to me? I looked around the room and found a safe they would unlock. I undid the safe and opened it up. I took out three boxes inside it. In one box were some rubber pipe fasceners, I remember exactly what was in the others, only that it wasn't money, they were all pretty mundane household objects you wouldnt expect to find in a safe, maybe another box was paper clips? I don't rememebr exactly all I remember was at the time I thought "wow this really is lucid, I wonder if I'll remember these little details?" a bit after that the projection ended. I take it the keys and the safe are symbolic for me unlocking something? I don't know what though. I kinda hope it's symbolic of my unlocking the door out of these simulations, but then again it could be refferring to a new ability or something else too. I'll try to figure it out when I get up in the morning.
'
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Jan 22, 2011 12:18 pm

Here's a couple of dream interpretations of some things I saw in this dream

First is the chair, the recliner seemed slightly out of place in a training room, this chair didn't answer my questions but it did give me the keys. The arm chair interpretation makes sense given the nature of some of the stuff I got rid of.

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... arch=chair

The key is probably the most obvious and important thing here, you need to scroll down to see the interpretation

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... search=key

The key is symbolic of unlocking some opportunity, the question though is what

Then there's the safe, does this mean it wants me to come out with something?

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=safe

pipe is the closest I could find to pipe fastener, I'm not sure how related it is

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=pipe

lastly there were boxes in the safe

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... search=box

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:04 am

Hello, defectron.

Well, you did really well - interacting with the environment like you did. It's interesting that the keys turned when you reached for something, like "This is what you need instead."

Paper clips and pipe fasteners? Both of them have to do with holding two (or more) things together. Things for combining things. And usually you open a safe with a "combination lock." Maybe you're training your skills at "combining?" I'm thinking of Sherlock Holmes when I hear the term (combining = putting one and one together, for example).

You're still learning to figure things out, I guess, but I'd say you're making progress.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 24, 2011 11:53 am

Yeah that could be symbolic for figuring things out. Though I'm still not sure what I'm supposed to do in this simulation yet. If the safe is there next time I'll have to try harder to remember what all was in there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:00 pm

Hello, defectron.

There's another thing about symbolism. Sometimes you do a thing without actually knowing exactly what you are doing. You get hints to its nature through the symbols themselves, but the energetic reality remind them stays hidden.

This is very natural. If you have nothing in your mental vocabulary to represent the energetic manipulations you are doing, your actions or choices of action in projections may at times seem enigmatic. That doesn't mean they are not useful or having effect. I would expect quite the contrary.

The world of nonphysical reality is full of phenomena that don't follow our physical ruleset and are not easily translated into terms we immediately understand. Developing these translation skills takes time, and at times you can just take note of it.

I had in the last half year many experiences that only gradually made sense. Many times my ability to translate them did not keep up with them as they came in. That may be frustrating at times but it has ultimately proven helpful for me. Not understanding and not controlling everything all the time is part of the challenge it seems, as hard as this might be to accept at times.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:13 pm

Well I have gotten a little better at interpreting things, when getting past the bathroom simulation I was able to figure out what needed to be purged through some of the symbolism. But there's still quite a few mysterys left to decipher. I'm kind of hoping there will be some hints towards what this was about in dreams that I have.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Tue Jan 25, 2011 6:26 am

Hello, defectron.

That's one way to go. Another possibility is that the more often such things occur in your simulations, dreams and experiences, the more your inner translation sense will be trained or awoken. Over time then you will be able to figure out what things mean as they occur. Think of it as stimulation to this particular sense.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:13 AM
Well my inner translation senses have improved but I still think they could use alot of work. I had some interesting dreams last night here viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22708&p=142918#p142918 during the last simulation there were some clues in my dreams that helped me get through it, I'm kind of hoping the same will hold true this time around as well. I'll do some reasearch later to see if I can figure out what some of these mean.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:06 am

Ok, just had a new projection

First I had a few semi projectioins from a dream that I can't remember at the moment where I tried to phase out but these ended before beginning

Then I had a new proper projection just now where I ended up in my body and rolled out. Initially I was blind. I wandered over to the door anomaly and went on it, it took a long time for my sight to come back online as I wandered through some place behind the door anomaly. Interestingly enough it came partially online with a bunch of vague images I believe were connected to what I was thinking of. One was a vague image of the farm house I saw in a pervious projection, another was a foggy forest, but neither fully manifested. I tried saying clarity now but that didn't work so well, I also tried growing a third eye but was only able to make a creese in my fore head. When I get the chance I'll have to try properly doing that again. After some wandering I eventually ended up in a place that looked alot like the living room in my house. For some reason I thought this was the real time zone. Not sure why but I went over and knocked everything off the dining room table. I then spotted a suit csae by the door with some sort of coupon looking paper sitting on top of it and ran over to take a look at it to see if it would be there when I woke up and the projection ended. Looking back on it this most likely was not the real time zone as there shouldn't be a suit case by that door. I'll check just to make sure when I get up later.

Anyway interesting thing, I had a feeling earlier I should listen to the astral projection hypnosis cd I got before going to bed, I usually only listen to this on the weekend so this was odd. But then I thought maybe this feelings from my higher self so I gave it a shot. Initially this caused me to fall asleep mid way through and wake up a few hours later. It wasn't quite the time when I usually go to bed so I stayed upa bit before going back to sleep.I read in otherwhere this is a good way to get tot he state one needs to have projections. Sure enough this did end up working.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Jan 27, 2011 5:07 am

Ok, just had a new projection

First I had a few semi projectioins from a dream that I can't remember at the moment where I tried to phase out but these ended before beginning

Then I had a new proper projection just now where I ended up in my body and rolled out. Initially I was blind. I wandered over to the door anomaly and went on it, it took a long time for my sight to come back online as I wandered through some place behind the door anomaly. Interestingly enough it came partially online with a bunch of vague images I believe were connected to what I was thinking of. One was a vague image of the farm house I saw in a pervious projection, another was a foggy forest, but neither fully manifested. I tried saying clarity now but that didn't work so well, I also tried growing a third eye but was only able to make a creese in my fore head. When I get the chance I'll have to try properly doing that again. After some wandering I eventually ended up in a place that looked alot like the living room in my house. For some reason I thought this was the real time zone. Not sure why but I went over and knocked everything off the dining room table. I then spotted a suit csae by the door with some sort of coupon looking paper sitting on top of it and ran over to take a look at it to see if it would be there when I woke up and the projection ended. Looking back on it this most likely was not the real time zone as there shouldn't be a suit case by that door. I'll check just to make sure when I get up later.

Anyway interesting thing, I had a feeling earlier I should listen to the astral projection hypnosis cd I got before going to bed, I usually only listen to this on the weekend so this was odd. But then I thought maybe this feelings from my higher self so I gave it a shot. Initially this caused me to fall asleep mid way through and wake up a few hours later. It wasn't quite the time when I usually go to bed so I stayed upa bit before going back to sleep.I read in otherwhere this is a good way to get tot he state one needs to have projections. Sure enough this did end up working. I;ll be sure to try harder to listen to that feeling in the future.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jan 31, 2011 11:54 am

Had two very short projections the other day. Both times I woke up just as I was rolling out.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Feb 05, 2011 10:33 am

Had another big breakthrough projection just now

My memory of what happened in the beginning is a bit fuzzy, if I remember more later I'll add it in.

I forget how exactly I got here, whether it was from a dream or projecting directly from my body I don't remember. I was in some kind of dining hall, no one was in there. I kind of get the feeling I was doing something somewhat important before this point but can't remember what it was. Anyway I decided to try asking random objects the purpose of this simulation. So I went over to a flower vase and asked, it sort of pulled back, shrinking away from me. I asked another and the flowers came alive growing several times taller, blossoming new flowers in the process. As it did this I decided to grow too, just in case it was asking me to change sizes again and grew couple feet. I then asked to talk to my spirit guide, at first nothing happened, but then I heard something coming down the hallway. I turned to see a very disfigured hunch back wheeling himself along in an office chair, he looked like this guy http://mag.reelshowint.com/2010/07/12/p ... ack-movie/. But unlike the creepy little kid from that other time I wasn't getting any bad vibes from him, he was the real deal. I went over and wheeled him into the room saying "Come on Quasimoto we gotta have a talk" I tried asking him some questions but what he was saying didn't really make sense, it was then he turned into a staticy flat screen tv. I said "come on at least give me a clue" So I pressed my hands against the screen, pushing them inside. When I pulled them out, they were cupped around sand, amid the sand grains was a tiny broken pencil, barely larger then the grains of sand. This must have been the clue I had asked for. After that the projection ended.

Here's some stuff from the dream site, still not entirely sure what the lesson was I'm supposed to learn in this simulation though the below links seem to indicate there's some situation that needs to be handeled diffently? Dunno what though. The flowers might mean I'm supposed to bring out some sort of hidden talents as well.

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... &search=tv

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... earch=sand

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=pencil

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... ch=flowers

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... =hunchback

edit: had another short projection, once again I dont remember how I exited, I may have been in the dining room again. I don't think my mind was in fully lucid mode though cuz instead of trying to figure out what was going on I just started practicing shape shifting with mixed success.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:58 pm

Hello, defectron.

Being able to sense through appearances and sensing the function of someone is a 4th chakra skill. It also helps you to discern whose benign and who's not. This might have been largely the purpose of the simulation, probably even finishing up the development of the 4th chakra with this initiatory test.

Talking to someone, however, has more to do with the 5th chakra. Writing is one way of exchanging information - the pencil, however, is broken. Grains of sand and static-y screen - the sand grains could stand for "grainy" (as in coarse, bad resolution) and the screen for having trouble receiving (TV is a "broadcast medium). In other words, all the symbols could mean that the right equipment for sending messages and receiving them on this level might not yet be fully online.

This might also be the reason why your experiences are more involved with decoding clues than straight answers. You're slowly building your "symbol decoding" skills, which will in turn lead to development of the fifth and sixth chakras and the ability to exchange information in a more straightforward way.

No matter what, being able to recognise the function of a being is a very vital skill, and it's good that you're mastering it. You also did a wonderful job inquiring and decoding. You're definitely making progress. Just like the flowers you're experiencing impressive growth.

Cheers,
Oliver


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:27 pm

Yeah could be that these recent simulations have all had to do with communication. The "putting stuff together" symbolism from the safe simulation could relate to that.There have been some times in the past when I could communicate with entitys I met, though it's always been pretty breif, for example when I asked the ape man back during that christmas projection if it was a communication based simulation and he said yes. So maybe the amount that chakra functions correctly hasn't completely stabalized yet?

New post
by Korpo on Sun Feb 06, 2011 7:06 pm

Hello, defectron.

I think you're right on the money. These things have their ups and downs, like any other thing, and developing a chakra is not "just one thing" - we just tend to think of them as one thing. So, you're putting it together. And yes, I was thinking of your simulation with the safe as well.

Cheers,

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue Feb 08, 2011 10:19 am

Had a short projection today.

First I had a sort of projection where I began to roll out but woke up.

then I had another one from a dream. I dreampt I was a giant wandering around the city the ninja turtles live in for some reason. At some point I realized this was a dream and phased out of it. After the phase ended I appeared on top of my bed. I rushed over to the room with the anomaly and crashe dinto a chair which actually hurt. I then began to feel myself beginning to wake up so I tried something new. I looked over by the room anomaly and focused on teleporting myself over to it which I did. I managed to breifly see inside it looked like a shed with gardening tools before I woke up.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:59 am

Had an ap that seemed to be mixed with a dream.

It started in a dream where I was in some kind of hotel with my pet tortois, his front legs had been kinda immobilized with goose poop, but I helped him wash this off. after doing so he began to swim around in the air. At first I kinda wondered how he was doing this, then a thought came to me that he was astral projecting which is why he could fly around like that. He then landed and pressed his head against the wall and began to push through it, I put my hand on his back and did the same. We sort of traveled through some shadowy area after phasing through the wall and I lost track of him for a bit. I do recall we met back up later at another part though. Later I think this sort of got mixed up with a dream because I seemed to get less lucid I was still phasing through stuff though. Around this time some sort of strange cartoony dog began to talking to me while I was phasing through a wall, around this time I woke up.

I'm guessing that this probably wasn't my real tortois, he did show up in another AP where he was stuck in a terrarium but in this one he was only about half the size he was in that other one.

Had another short projection:

This time my feet automaticaly seemed to raise into the air which I recognized as a partial projection, I used this to kick out. A thought occurred to me earlier, during the earlier ap/dream with the tortois, I was phasing all over the place, in the past the simulations prevented me from phasing to places besides the simulations. So I had a thought, maybe they would let me go to the outer astral if that was the case? I decided to give it a try so I placed my hands on the floor and phased witht he intent of making it to somewhere new. I was not blocked as I began to phase into the floor. As my face passed through it wasn't the usual sea of blackness that I tend to get immerersed in, but I was passing into some place that seemed to be sinde a sea of bright greenish liquid complete with shining bubbles flowing in it. I seemed to have a bit trouble breathing which was most likely psychological but managed to get past that. This was really lucid, unfortunately my phasing was too long and I ended up waking up before I could fully phase into it. If I try to go to the astral again, maybe I should use another method since I have a tendency to wake up half the time when I get caught in a long phase.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 14, 2011 10:26 am

Had another short projection this morning, this one started as a dream where I was outside some building in the rain. Somehow I realized this was a dream so I put my hands on the door of the building and phased through it, for some reason I tried to phase to Area 51, this didn't work though and I ended up inside a hotel. It was a really realistic one too, so much so I wondered if this could be a real place, but there's no way I could find out if it is or not. Unfortunately I ended up getting destracted here when I tried shape shifting for some reason, didn't work too well though as it just caused a fake pair of arms to appear on me. Apparantly I got too distrated because it ended there. Gotta remember not to get distracted by stuff next time.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:28 AM
Hallo Defectron
Regarding Area 51 --- I have read several OBE accounts of people trying to visit Area 51 OOB. Nobody, to my knowledge, has been successful. This leads me to speculate that perhaps there is some sort of psychic shield or discarnate guardians protecting that place (which btw would Not surprise me at ALL).

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:03 pm

Hello, greytraveller.

Certainly a possibility, I think it was in one of Monroe's books that he was somehow blocked from reaching the president or something similar on one occasion, IIRC. One has to wonder if that was an accurate perception of his or if he was assigning a certain symbolic interpretation to the psychic inaccessibility of such a person and took it literal.

On the other hand, many people report having a hard time getting to places they don't know or have a clear ident of. Since nobody who tried ever was to Area 51 nor knows what it looks like up close, they might have had no valid ident to get to the place.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:59 pm

Well I'm not even sure if I made it to the real time zone or not. The place I landed in did look indestinguishable from a physical envornment one might see in our world, as there were no really strange objects about like there usually are in my projections and it was also very crisp and solid looking unlike dream images, but I have no way of verifying that it was a physical place, because if it was one, it was one that I'm not familiar with. It obviously wasn't area 51 though as it looked like a public place, probably some expensive hotel. Next time I'll probably try to call my guide again and try to talk with him/her/it to see if I can find out what that was about.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Mon Feb 14, 2011 7:20 pm

Hello, defectron.

I have had experiences that looked very real, and I think these occasions were astral. The quality of the light can be a clue at times, and sometimes I simply know where I was. Also in hindsight one such sequence was preceded or followed by "clues" - such as impossible spatial arrangements. The experience itself, however, would have been indistinguishable, mostly.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:39 am

Had a new projection today, rolled out and went over to the door anomaly. The bathroom is back so it looks like I gotta take care of a few issues. When I looked in the mirror I saw that my third eye was back without me even needing to call on it. It didn't unnerve me this time like it did the last time I saw it, it felt normal to have it there. Anyway although I think I know at least one of the issues that needs sorting out since I let something fall out of balkance a bit recently I wasn't sure at the time so I asked what it was that needed to be purged. And here's where things got a little odd. I noticed in the reflection of the mirror my dead Aunt who I breifly saw in a previous projection was coming into the room behind me. I whirled around to look but she wasn't there. Now this is odd, I can't imagine what associated with my aunt would need purging. It is true when I first saw her in that projection I was a little apprehensive since I knew that if this was my real aunt and was somehow involved in the simulations she'd know all my secrets which didn't sit well with me at the time. But this is an issue that I've since made peace with and come to accept so its not that. It was then I tried asking some sort of cardboard stand sitting on top of a file cabinet which was in the bathroom for some reason what needed purging and the projection ended after that. The presence of the file cabinet may be another clue since you usually don't see those in bathrooms.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Wed Feb 16, 2011 10:47 am

Right away I think your Aunt may symbolize the fact that someone else may know your innermost thoughts. So maybe that's something you need to deal with. I guess you know what else she may mean, but that's what came to mind when I read your account.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Wed Feb 16, 2011 1:51 pm

Hello, defectron.

I wonder what you would have found if you had actually investigated the file cabinet regarding its contents.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 16, 2011 8:31 pm

I wonder what you would have found if you had actually investigated the file cabinet regarding its contents.


yeah I know, I wish I had thought of that back then but at the time the file cabinet didn't seem that special to me. It wasn't until later I thought "Hey there was a file cabinet in that bathroom! What could it mean?"

Right away I think your Aunt may symbolize the fact that someone else may know your innermost thoughts. So maybe that's something you need to deal with.


Yeah that was an issue for me but I thought I had gotten past that. Though I did ask myself if I would be ok talking with dead relitives who could read my mind and even though it doesnt bother me as much I still think it makes me a little uncomfortable. So it might be part of this afterall.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Feb 17, 2011 12:39 pm

Had a short blind projection today, from what I can tellt he bathroom is still there so I'm not done with it yet.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:22 am

Had an almost projection today. I was in a dream when I realized that I could project. I had an idea to try the method of flying into the sky to get to the astral so I blasted through the window flying outside. I then flew up into the nightsky and paused as I reached the tops of some big metal electrical towers that were going over some mountains. In the distance what looked like a huge insectoid alien skeliton was floating in the sky. It was all so big, black and intimidating I just decided to try going to the astral using the phasing method, so I went back down and began to phase intot he ground but took too long and woke up. I'm kinda regretting not following through with the sky method, I'll have to try that when I get another chance.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Feb 21, 2011 1:31 am

Had some short projections today

First I had one where I tumbled out blind and went over tot he room anomaly. Funny thing is the room didn't seem to be properly sturctured this time. When I tried to touch the wall I just got a sort of tingly feeling simialer to when I phase but not as intense. After that I woke up. I had an almost projection later where I automatically began to floa tup out of my body, but unfortunately the surprise of this happening was great enough to wake me up.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Feb 23, 2011 1:18 pm

Today I had an almost projection that started in a dream where I was in a bank that had been hit by a snowstorm. While I was waiting in line I realized that this was a dream and then tried to phase through the floor. That didn't work, possibly because the simulation blocked it so I tried the wall witht he same result. I then remembered that I could try flying intot he sky to get tot he astral so I began to run towards the door. When I did this a bunch of midgets who looked like oompa loompas from willy wonkas chocolate factory came out to try to stop me. I leapt intot he air and began to fly towards the window, but it just seemed really far away, I flew faster and hit it, smashing through it. I then flew intot he sky, for some reason it was summer out now even though there was a blizzard earlier so I took off most of my winter clothes as I was flying, but I had trouble with my coat, it was coming off really slowly and seemed to have the same effect as when I get stuck in a slow phase which woke me up before I could fly further.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Feb 24, 2011 6:56 am

Had a really interesting projection just now

I rolled out of my body blind, on the wrong side of the bed too. I then got off and made my way over to the room anomaly. The bathroom was there but I didn't stick around this time. I then went downstairs and asked some questions to a picture on the wall regarding the nature of the simulation. The picture changed to look like one of my family, I'm assuming this is symbolic of interconnectedness given something that I hear later on. Anyway I then called my guide, at first nothing happened, but then a rather tall old woman ambeled up the stairs. I then asked her if she was my guide which she said was correct. I asked her some other questions, I don't remember the answer to all of them though. One I asked was if she was human, her response was something like "Don't I look like a human to you?" there was some reason I don't completely remember she gave to why she looked like quasimoto the last time we met. Anyway somehow we got on the subject of jesus. Apparantly she was a Christian woman, though since she was no longer in the physical she had the opportunity to actually meet Jesus saying something to the effect of "Yes he's real, I met him and he's just as real as anyone you might meet.". We then got onto the topic of how he got resurected. Both Kurt leland and The master of the key have said that the resurection was actually an obe. But I also said it is possible that he did physically get resurected too since I believe that our physical world is an illusion which can be manipulated by those who know how. The response she gave appeared to evade my question, though, now that I think of it, maybe it was a real answer. She said I was correct in my views on the physical universe and that the barrier "between here and there is not real". Essentially she said something to the effect that the only differences between the physical and the astral are those that we make, if we knew what we were doing more, there really wouldn't be a difference. What I mean by that being a real answer has to do with the meaning of what she said, the only difference between the physical and the astral is how we perceive it, everything is actually interconnected. So in effect both views on how he came back to life could be correct at the same time. One other thing I am interested in, is alternate universes. I brought this up, she confirmed that yes alternate universes are real, since we were on the subject of Jesus I asked "Can we go look at one of the alternate realitys where he never died?" she was like "sure lets go" we got in a flying car and were about to head out, but unfortuntely I ended up waking up before we could get there.

Interesting thing , a couple weeks ago I had a dream I didn't remember very well where someone told would go on a journey on thursday, thursday came and went but nothing happened, but this happened on a thursday, maybe the dream was referring to this.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:29 AM
by Korpo on Thu Feb 24, 2011 10:07 am

Hello, defectron.

Very interesting!

defectron wrote:
One other thing I am interested in, is alternate universes. I brought this up, she confirmed that yes alternate universes are real, since we were on the subject of Jesus I asked "Can we go look at one of the alternate realitys where he never died?" she was like "sure lets go" we got in a flying car and were about to head out, but unfortuntely I ended up waking up before we could get there.


I don't think you woke before it happened. I think you had the experience and were not able to recall it. When you recall parts of an experience, you're usually aware of having "forgot" bits. But if you could not bring any of it to your waking consciousness, the last thing you remember is the shift to a new experience.

Since the experience did not "download" it had the same quality in terms of recall like all the other parts of the night you didn't remember - it didn't seem to happen. But I would bet that on the energetic level it did. The psychological distance between where this information "lives" (and you went) and what you're usually able to recall might still be too big.

The flying car represented probably another vehicle of consciousness. That the guide got into the same vehicle would represent that she tried to help you in establishing the required state of consciousness and "lift you up" (hence the flying car) to it.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Feb 24, 2011 9:05 pm

Since the experience did not "download" it had the same quality in terms of recall like all the other parts of the night you didn't remember - it didn't seem to happen. But I would bet that on the energetic level it did. The psychological distance between where this information "lives" (and you went) and what you're usually able to recall might still be too big.


Aw man my first trip to a parralell universe and I can't even remember it

Well I might as well try again next time, I'd also like to try going to a world where dinosaurs are still alive. That would be a cool world to visit.

But yeah I recalled something else about the projection, before I called my guide one of the questions I asked was how many simulations I had left to clear. I forget exactly what the response was, but it was something to the effect of if I knew it would be detrimental in some way so it wouldn't tell me.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Mar 05, 2011 3:58 am

Earlier I had a short projection where I checked the room and the bathroom was there, shortly after that the projection ended, I kind of get the feeling I'm no longer supposed to check that room.

Anyway I had another projection just now where I went downstairs and called my guide, I also tried talking to an illustration of a girls face, but this time I wasn't able to get a response from the object. Anyway I somehow knew my guide was in another room that doesn't exist in the physical. Near where the front door should be was a door to a greenhouse. I went in and saw a rocking chair, sitting in it was a very tall woman who resembeled my grade school teacher Ms Drucker. She got up and we began to move when I remarked "you guides sure are tall, I'm guessing this is symbolic." her response was "naw I'm just really tall" after saying this she seemed to get even taller. I get the feeling the answer she gave me isn't as simple as it would appear to be on face value especially given that she seemed to get even taller. Any thoughts on what this could mean? Anyway as far as I can tell the projection ended after that.

EDIT:

Had another projection just now, a really interesting one, I think these both may be part of a simulation that has to do with how we perceive things. Anyway I called my guide again, this time I knew to look in the basement and found a normal sized woman who looked like my mom, she may have been decorating a christmas tree based on what I remember. To make sure she wasn't a dream character I went over and poked her as doing this tends to cause dream characters to vanish when I have projections. But she was real. So I said something to the effect of "Your real! Are you my guide? You look like my mom?" Her response was something like "So that's how I appear to you?" I then asked her how I looked to her. She said that I had taken on a number of appearances while we interacted. She said right now I looked pretty scary to her, she said that I looked like a young nazi girl (maybe my guide was on earth during world war 2?). I really hope this doesn't mean I was a nazi in a past life, though there may be other meanings behind that imagery since she said I appeared as other things too (I don't support any of the nazi philosophies). This is all I remember of this projection, I have a bunch of questions I wanted to ask her but forgot both times But yeah in kurt lelands books, it has been explained that imagery is often symbolic of something, the way my guide appeared to me as my old teacher, my mom and even her being taller then me makes sense in this regard because of that since teachers and parents teach children things, her being taller also makes sense, since she is heads above me in terms of knowledge and experience of the hidden universe. My appearance to her may have also been symbolic like that.
defectron

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Sun Mar 06, 2011 6:48 pm

Hello, defectron.

Don't worry about that one.

Your communication skills are still developing, it will take time and the exchanges will just make no sense. Compare Robert Monroe's first book - the experience in "locale 2" when "the big one comes" - this is so symbolic and coded, almost not understandable. Later on Monroe had extremely clear, lucid and meaningful experiences, but it took him a while.

Cheers,
Oliver


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:22 am

Yeah I figured that was probably symbolic of other things, but still the thought was a bit unsettling.

Had another projection this morning, seemed a bit weak at first and kinda dragged myself out of my body before going downstairs. After a bit of fuzzyness it got decently lucid causing me to breifly wonder if I was in the realtime zone. I then picked a plate up off the table before tossing it on the floor. I then tried calling my guide again but she didn't show up this time. I went to look for her downstairs but didn't see her there either. I did notice a small girl standing in a corner, but when I poked her she vanished meaning she was probably a dream character. Though it is odd that I had a dream character of some random person in my house, usually those are familiar people. after that I woke up, too bad I forgot to try to figure out what the simulation was this time.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Thu Mar 10, 2011 6:33 am

Something you could try once would be trying to erase layers of dream imagery in a lucid dream and see what's underneath/behind or left after you're done. I got reminded of the practice when I read that you poked the dream character.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Mar 11, 2011 10:24 am

How do you do that? Do you just concentrate on seeing what's beneath it?
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Fri Mar 11, 2011 5:13 pm

If you'll actually manage to remember, you might find a way.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Mar 12, 2011 10:01 am

Whoah, just had a really unusual projection

Earlier in the night I had one where I met this old guy who looked like some ritch tycoon, maybe he was a guide, maybe even the same guide I've been meeting in another form. But anyway he told me to practice some ability, I forget what though, it may have been teleporting, it may have even been invisibility since awhile back a dream voice did tell me to learn this, but I don't think it was that. I don't remember anything else of that first one.

Anyway later I found myself in some sort of semi lucid dream/projection environment, not really sure which. But anyway I was floating around the house doing stuff which was annoying my dream parents. I forget what all I did here, but I went into the bathroom and changed the toilet water into fire. After doing this I flew out of the house and got pulled by some invisible force. this part is really interesting, because the force showed me another way to get to the astral which I almost tried once but chickened out because it was unnerving being alone in the night sky. But it wasn't night right now, it was morning, there were storm clouds in the sky too. But whatever was pulling me along was doing it so fast that I could see the ends of the clouds approaching. This part was really realistic too. I remember flying past the buildings and looking into the sky to see the edge of the thunderhead cloud passing by. I then flew straight into the wall of a building and passed through it with more ease then anything I have phased through as if it were air. I was pulled through various different walls until I was swimming in blackness. Eventually popped out near a high class beach side mansion landing next to something that was either a pond or a pool in its back yard. I then noticed the same old tycoon sitting in the pool and he said to me "You forgot to practice it!"

I searched in my mind, what was it I was supposed to practice? I should have asked him then and there but didn't. Next time I see my guide I should ask about this. I then said "But I did learn how to change things, watch this! " I then picked up a floating piece of paper in the water and focused on changing it into a ball. This didn't quite work though as the paper was still there, I just generated a rubber ball inside of it. He then said something to the effect of "keep trying, you almost got it." oddly I think my voice also sounded alot younger here, maybe even like a young girls, bringing back what my guide had said about my appearance before. Also as I began typing this I thought I saw a blue flash out of the corner of my eye, dunno what that could have been.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:31 AM
Had a short one a little while ago

It started in a dream, I forget what was going on in this dream, but my Dad, not my step dad was sitting on a couch, I can't remember what he was doing but he was there. I remember thinking "Been a long time since I saw him." then I remembered he died when I was a kid, this was a dream. I then went over to the wall and phased through it , after phasing I appeared over my bed and fell down, bouncing off my bed and landing on the floor. I almost went by the room anomaly but stopped because I remembered the simulations didn't seem to like me going over there anymore. So I went over tot he stairs and leapt down them. After Landing I asked the purpose of the simulation. The first thing I noticed was a small wooden table witha flower engraving on it, sitting on it was a book that looked like Otherwhere, but with nothing written on the cover. I also noticed I seemed to be as tall as a midget so I grew larger and the projection ended after that. Maybe this is another communication related projection? Lately I've been doing alot better at communicating though there does still seem to be a few small hiccups here and there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:43 am

This first part isn't really a projection but something odd happened so I'll put it here anyway.

I was in some sort of dream classroom and I forget what all was going on but a friend of mine somehow got under the control of this other guy I knew in high school. Anyway the teacher found out and said this was against the rules to have mind controlled people here and told him to dispose of my freind. So he caused my freind to have a heart attack and he died. Right after this dream something wierd happened, I felt something kinda grab my astral feet and then let go before scampering over my body. It felt like it had multiple legs like a giant centipede. After that I woke up, I dunno if whatever that was had anything to do with that dream or not. Afterwards I tried putting up a mental barrier to keep out any negs and felt an amazing amount of energy when I did that.

Anyway later I was in a dream floating around when I realized it was a dream, I phased through the wall and reapeared in my bedroom. After doing this I jumped out of bed and knocked over the lower half of a manequin. In real life, this is inside of my closet and not beside my bed. Anyway I then went downstairs and looked out the window, the tree outside seemed to be cell shaded like in a cartoon. Before I could even try to ask what this was all about I woke up though.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Mar 21, 2011 11:31 am

Ok, had two new projections today

The first one happened after I phased out of a dream

I ended up in some place that kind of looked like a high class restaurant. I began looking for things that might be clues. About half the chairs were up on the tables, and one of them I noticed had a fith leg sticking out of the middle too big for it to stand on. I took out a pencil and began writing down the anomalys, I mustve been operating off dream logic there because somehow I thought this would help me. The other tables had some sort of religious documents on them I tried reading one to find some clues. It read "The tale of the brilliand (or was it brillogand? It was some made up word that sounded like that) cat" I started reading it, but apparantly the simulation didn't want me to focus too much on what was written there and I woke up.

This next part is a dream but it relates to the later projection

I dreampt I was helping the ghost busters investigate some kind of haunted apartment building. I got my own proton pack and was just itching to go blasting stuff with it. Anyway we went looking for some stuff the ghost hid in the wall and just found some old conmmstruction tools which was a let down. I began floating around when someone remarked I should use my flight to teleport. I thought hey yeah I should do that but I never really tried using teleportation. I decided to try to go to my room in the physical world and I slammed intot he wall trying to phase there which didn't work. I then remembered she said to fly so I went out the window but didn't feel like flying with my coat on, I tried to get it off but it wouldn't come off. This is the same thing that stopped me in another dream from doing the flying towards the horizon method of going tot he astral. In the end I coulldn't get it off and woke up.

Later I dreampt I was in a car and sill had the proton pack from the previous dream and was blasting stuff I was passing on the side of the road with it. Then I remembered that I could try again now because this was a dream. I wasn't wearing my coat this time either. So I jumped out of the car andf began to run, faster then the car was moving and then took off flying. I dodn't really have any sort of destination in mind this time though. Anyway not long after I began flying the background all fell away and I was flaoting through some place full of giant black and blue fractle patterns. I then spotted two dual tunnels in the sky twined together and flew towards them, after entering I saw something that looked like a giant cell shaded fetus with big eyes floating on the other end of the tunnels. In the end, I appeared in front of a mirror, I looked normal at first, but when I opened my mouth a giant reptilian eye was inside it. If I tried sticking my toung out a bulge would appear on the side of the eyeball. What was really odd is my eyes were also like that and giant, but normal sized at the same time. Even now that sentence makes no sense to me even though I expereinced it, but that's the best way I can explain it. Anyway that's where that one ended.

I think I'd like to talk to my guide again, I should try to call him/her again next time.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Tue Mar 22, 2011 3:32 pm

Hallo Defectron
Two kewl OBEs. I particularly liked the dream about being a member of the Ghost Busters.
I've always wanted to go on a real ghost hunt, find a piano in the haunted house and play the high pitch keys and say' "Ghosts Hate that" (Bill Murray as Vinckman from the first "Ghostbusters") LOL


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:08 am

I've been on some ghost hunts but I don't think I've been anywhere that pianos are yet

Anyway I had a new ap today, only remembering bits and pieces of it though. I remember getting there using the flying towards the horizon method again. This time I don't think I was in a simulation but actually somewhere in the astral. I followed some odd guy around I think he said his name was something like Jonathan Curse, I don't remember for sure if that was his first name, but I do remember his last name for sure, I think he also may have said that he was ap-ing from somewhere too, though this sounds like a made up name so if this is true, it probably wasn't his real name. Oddly I don't remember what this guy looked like at all. Anyway I remember two places I went. One was a starwell that lead up to the top of a rocky mountain that looked simialer to those that are on the dry side of the island of oahu. Jonathan explained something about this mountain but I can't remember what he said now. This is probably the most vivid part of what I remember. Next I flew down from the mountain and went into a city below it. There I met something that looked kind of like Rover from the prisoner and road around on top of it. I also met two people there and seem to recall talking to them about ufo's but don't remember very much of what we said. It's too bad I can't remember this better as it seemed pretty cool from the bits I do have.

But more importantly, does this mean I'm free to explore the astral now since this did not appear to be a typical simulation? I guess I won't know for sure until I try again.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Mar 27, 2011 3:21 pm

I had a new projection today


It started in a dream, what was interesting is that this dream was a repeat of another dream I had earlier in the night where a bunch of robot monsters were going around killing people and I was the only one left at the end of the dream. Anyway I was standing in some convenience store where one of the robot monsters was locked inside a room. One of the people in the store had gone missing and I figured she must be in the room with the monster being eaten since that was what happened in the last dream. I then told everyone that she was most likely dead and that soon all of them would be dead too. One of them checked and sure enough she was in there being eaten by the monster. They were about to leave when I realized this was a dream and willed myself back. I then rolled out of my body and went over to the room with the anomaly. I checked to see what was in it, it looked like a mostly normal closet full of stuff. The only thing that stood out at all was a fishtank ont he floor. Anyway I went down stairs and asked the purpose of the simulation. No response, I then asked to see my guide. Out of the corner of my eye I glanced a small girl in a white dress but she vanished when I tried to look at her. I then woke up or so I thought. I opened up the window curtains and looked outside to see a large muscular man in a dog mask dressed in his underwear being lead down the street on a leash by some woman. This surprised me because seeing something like that in a white bread neighborhood like this is pretty much unheard of. I got out my camera but the mystery masked muscle man was gone. I breifly wondered if he could have been some sort of paranormal entity appearing here, I also considered the possibility this was a dream and I hadn't really woken up. The latter explanation would later turn out to be true, which is strange because usually I'm very good at telling the difference. Anyway I then noticed all the posters in my room had been turned up side down. I pulled them off and noticed one was new, one seemed to be a photo of a poster of the monster movie Gamera vs Baragon, in the background the sun was visible, but the sun looked strange, it looked like an eye. After that I woke up. I believe that the purpose of this simulation was to teach the difference between projections, dreams and physical reality to the senses. Kurt leland had a simialer simulation he mentioned in one of his books where he ended up in a dream world where he was the count of monte christo.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Mar 30, 2011 12:19 pm

Today I had another projection

First I realized I was in a dream so I willed myself back and came out. This time I projected blind but didn't have any trouble finding my way around. I went downstairs and asked the purpose of the simulation but didn't get any sort of noticible response. For some reason I opened up the downstairs closet and noticed I couldn't find a back in it. I went inside thinking it would lead somewhere but I soon found myself lost in endless clothes. I kept reaching to see if there would be an end but there wasn't. I have a feeling that even if I tried turning back I might not have been able to find my way back out. Anyway after wading through the clothes for several minutes I woke up.


According to this page closets symbolize things one keeps hidden

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=closet

I do have a couple things I keep hidden from most people, I hope the simulation isn't telling me I'm supposed to reveal those as that's something I would rather not do.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Fri Apr 01, 2011 9:01 am

Hello, defectron.

The closet can denote your "astral closet" - how Kurt calls it. This is the storehouse of your repressed emotions that need to be cleared out to get a fully functional astral body. Remember - the astral body is closely associated with emotion and feeling. It is also where issues get "stored up."

That you become lost in the closet might indicate that this might take some time figuring out. You can ask for dreams to help you clear out the astral closet through affirmation before falling asleep.

Kurt offers practices for clearing out the astral closet in his newest book.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Apr 03, 2011 12:20 pm

Ok, had three experiences tonight.

In the first one it started as a dream in an office building near an airport. I then realized this was a dream and tried to phase through the window unssuccesfully. But then I remembered about the closet. So I went over tot he people in the office and aksed them what it was that was making problems for me. One of the women seemed hesitant to tell me so I was like "oh come on! i want to know!" She then said something that made no sense at all to me. She said "Although sometimes you make a beautiful picture (or person, not sure which word it was exactly) a deadly soul lies beneath" and after that the dream ended. I'm not sure what this means. If she's saying I'm too negative or something I'm not sure if that makes sense as from what I understand if someones negative they would just end up on a lower plane. Besides while I may not be the best guy I don't consider myself to be a bad guy either.

Looking back on other projections, there was one where I saw the room anomaly as a closet. Two objects I remember from it, there was a fish tank on the floor and there was also a large card board tube. These might be clues as to what the issues are but I'm not sure what they would be. Here's what dreams symbolism has to say about fish tanks. http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... =fish+tank

I did have another dream about fishtanks recently here viewtopic.php?f=19&t=22708&p=145875#p145875

I had two other short projections later

In the next one I was riding in a car in a dream, I realized it was a dream and phased through the car door ending up in a city. For some reason I thought I would try flying towards the horizon to go somewhere even though I was already some place astral, dunno why I did that, shouldve just stayed int he city. Looks like I wasn't supposed to do that though as this ended when I tried that.

In the last one I don't know how I got there but I met a double of myself and taught him how to do some astral tricks like creating objects out of nothing. I have no idea who or what this other me was though.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:32 AM
Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue Apr 05, 2011 9:44 am

I had some new projections today

Before I did a guided shamanic journey of the mahakalla on cd to try to get rid of the things that might be blocking me and I think it at least partially worked. This was using a shaman CD about shapeshifting made by John Perkins.

Anyway I rolled out of bed and went over to check on the room anomaly. It wasn't a closet anymore, it was a room filled with matresses. I then went downstairs and asked the purpose of the simulation and also asked to see my spirit guide. For some reason my voice was all raspy like a ghosts voice. I then noticed a picture of santa clause sitting on a mattress which may have been a clue. I also saw some word on some machine I don't remember as that part of the projection seems to be partially forgotten. I was about to head back upstairs and a dresser appeared in front of me. I tried opening its drawers but every time I did this a new set of drawers were inside the ones I just opened.

I then ended up in bed again but got back out, I wasn't sure what else to do since I had already gotten some clues and my spirit guide decided not to show up. So I decided to try projecting to physical reality. I felt a small pop and for a moment I thought I had made the jump, but a bunch of stuff was still off in my bedroom so it looks like I hadn't made it. I also tried phasing through some walls but got blocked from doing that. Anyway I sat in bed and several bullet heads appeared in my hand. The first largest bullet head was covered in some red plastic material. The second was covered in blue and also had some sort of locking mechanism sticking out of its side like a mechanical pen, the last one was made of a brass sort of material and was the size of an airgun pellet. The two larger bullets vanished and I was left with the airgun sized bullet. after that I woke up.

I have a few guesses about what some things might mean here

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... h=mattress

According to the above link a mattress can symbolize a new responsibility. The other day when I did the journey of the mahakalla I did another one as well to find my purpose. I already believe I know my two purposes, but another detail to one may have been revealed and the mattresses may have been symbolic of that.

The dresser and the drawers I'm not as sure about

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... ch=dresser

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=drawer

The drawers I saw just had more drawers inside of them, so I'm not sure how to interpret that regarding the above links.

The bullets are also a bit sketchy on what they could mean

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdicti ... rch=bullet

Two of the bullets vanished, so this might mean that if they did symbolise some difficult situation its been partially dealt with. Though the odd appearance of the bullets could mean something else.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Tue Apr 05, 2011 10:06 am

I think Santa Claus was your guide, and the dresser as 'inner' reality is right on- the magic drawers (IMO) signify infinity within reality, or as Lewis Carroll would say "the rabbit hole runs deep"- your inner reality is rich and has a lot of potential, and you are doing a good job of cultivating it.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Tue Apr 05, 2011 1:55 pm

Hallo Defectron

You are getting very good at mastering the art of having multiple projections in one night. This is a skill that surprising few people (myself included) are proficient at. Perhaps your focus on phasing as opposed to a more traditional method of OBE makes it easier for you to have multiple projections (?) Your emphasis on projecting directly out of a dream, or from a lucid dream, is IMO, Outstanding! This Must be the most efficient method for most people. It is something I too am attempting to concentrate on as, with yet, only limited success.

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Apr 06, 2011 11:58 am

Perhaps your focus on phasing as opposed to a more traditional method of OBE makes it easier for you to have multiple projections (?)


I don't think it's that, I had days where I had multiple projections before I learned how to phase.

Anyway speaking of multiple projections I had some more today

The first one was pretty short, I rolled out of bed and went over to the stairs before leaping down them. But I ended up going back before much could happen. I went back out again though after rocking my energy back and forth to dislodge it. I then stopped over by the room anomaly. The closet was there but most of the packages I checked inside it were empty so that means that I'm probably making progress in getting rid of the stuff inside it. I did find one thing, a T-shirt that seemed to be advertising for some radio station called "2012 ITFU". I then went downstairs, leaping past the staircase, I seemed to shrink on impact witht he floor before bouncing back to regular size. I took a look to see if my guide was around but my guide didn't seem to want to come out this time. The place got extremely lucid though, for a moment I thought I was in the realtime zone but as if to let me know I wasn't a piece of salami appeared in one of the potted plants. After looking around a bit I went outside where it was really foggy. I floated up to the roof of the house where I glimpsed what looked like a face in the foggy sky and then went back to my body. I wouldve been able to get out a third time, but someone was banging around on something downstairs which knocked me out of the proper state to do so.

I don't know what the T-shirt could be, I'm not someone who is very concerned about 2012, personally I don't think anything too special will happen on that date myself.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Apr 10, 2011 10:46 am

The other day I had a short projection, going to the room anomaly, a dresser was in it, standing next to it was a black dog, the dog may have been a statue or a taxedermy though as it wasn't moving. After that I got called back

Today I had more projections

The first projection I had was from a dream where I was fighting a vampire with three eyes. At some point I realized it was a dream and tried to phase through a wall, but this didn't work, flying towards the horizon didn't seem to work too well either as everything just seemed to go into a really slow motion when I tried to fly. So I phased intot he ground, this was a last resort as phjasing intot he ground tends to be really slow for me and alot of the time I don't make it all the way, this time was no exception as I only got halfway before being called back. Interestingly, before I was I saw a bunch of fish and tadpoles swimming around under a pond.

I later rolled out and jumped downstairs, once again things looked pretty lucid but on close examination it was clearly still simulation space. Some dream versions of my parents were standing around talking about stuff but I ignored them. Then went in the kitchen and saw a mirror, instead of seeing my face in it though there was some arabian kid with a unibrow looking back at me. After calling my guide with no success and asking the purpose of the simulation I found something in the kitchen with a clue on it, I forget what it was though. But for some reason I thought whatever it was meant I was supposed to practice my defensive abilities, so for the first time I tried turning invisible in the astral using the cloud of invisibility technique I learned earlier. The cloud came around my body, I thought I would go over to my dream parents to see if they react to it, but then got called back again.

This is where things got kind of weird, when I came out the third time my vision was all distorted and i could feel myself floating over my body, this is closest I've come to what people generally consider a regular obe. The parts of my vision I could see though properly all looked like normal places in my room so I think in this instance I may have caught a glimpse of the realtime zone. Anyway after going out all the way and landing ont he floor I was back in simulation space. First anomalous object I saw was an action figure with egyptian hyroglphs on its back, I vaguely recall the other clue being egyptian related too. I really wished I had a camera then because I knew I wouldn't remember this stuff later, though I vaguely recall the sun and anubis being two things that showed up on its back. I then went over tot he room anomaly and found a duplicate of my room. I began looking for clue and found a manga comicbook I never saw, inside was an egyptian man with three eyes sitting on a throne. The projection ended there

some stuff like the dresser I have figured out, but some other symbolism I'm not sure of like the black dog, the egyptian stuff and the pond.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Volgerle on Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:23 pm

defectron wrote:
Then went in the kitchen and saw a mirror, instead of seeing my face in it though there was some arabian kid with a unibrow looking back at me.

I saw a different person as "mirror-self" in dreams and a projection (false awakening), too. I decided to investigate it (viewtopic.php?f=19&t=23606) more now. Also, maybe in your case the Arabian looking kid has to do with the following Egyptian elements?
I've got tar on my feet and I can't see. All the BIRDs look down and laugh at me. Clumsy, crawling out of my skin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6vOKQFzmgc
Of thoughts and deeds a little BIRD sings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vC22WAJBJw
Old Man: The BIRDs are the keepers of our secret.
Nurse: Come on inside. Looking back is for the BIRDs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eV0jYHTA1rI

Volgerle

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Apr 10, 2011 3:22 pm

I agree theres a good chance he might relate to the egyptian symbolism, though I don't think he has anything to do with past lives, the thing is he just looked really out of the ordinary. I think his odd appearance may be another clue to something.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed Apr 13, 2011 9:26 am

Had two new projections today

In the first one I projected out blind. I went over to the room anomaly which was a closet that had the pillow I usually lean on when sitting on my bed hanging in it for some reason. There was also at least one coat and the stuffed snake I made back in home ec class in gradeschool. After that I got sent back and projected out again. I leapt downstairs and began to look for clues. First I found a coin and began to ask it questions about what I was supposed to do. The figure on the coin changed a bit. First it changed to look sort of like a cowboy on horseback, then it changed again to look like this character carrying her guitar http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/5/50 ... _super.jpg . After that I went back in the kitchen and asked the same questions to a squash, some rather garbled writing appeared on it, this didn't quite make sense at the time and given that I can't quite remember it, it makes even less sense now. It said something about blocking objects and listening to ethemeral music. Anyway after that I figured I had done enough clue hunting and called my guide but no one came though for a moment I thought I saw a shadow sitting on the couch. After that I went outside and began to fly away but got called back after that.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by natalie-1984 on Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:03 am

You can talk to stuff while out? I never thought about doing that. Today while APing I did notice that my stroller was in the exact same place as it was in real life. So maybe I was in RTZ for a bit.
Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
natalie-1984

New post
by defectron on Thu Apr 14, 2011 1:38 pm

"You can talk to stuff while out? I never thought about doing that"


Yeah though when the objects answer you it most likely won't be directly but with imagery or by changing into something. But yeah the astral objects are all expressions of thoughts so they will react to you in some way more often then not if you try to talk to them.

Also I think I figured out some of the symbolism.

I think the three eyed person on the egyptian thrown is either respresentitive of me or an ideal I'm aiming for as my goal is to directly influence physical reality with my mind. The other symbolism that fits in here is all the toys, I think its telling me to get to that point I need to go about things more like a child would. A small child would never question if something is possible that his or her parents tell them no matter how rediculous it might sound. Believing something can and will happen is a big part of making it happen so I think that's what the message is there.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Apr 16, 2011 11:29 am

I had three new projections today

In the first one I projected out and went over tot he room anomaly, this is kind of interesting because most of this was blind, as usual I could sense where all the objects were but what was really odd is I could also tell what color they were even though I wasn't directly seeing them. Funny thing is a yellow safe was sitting in the middle of the room, though I didn't pay this much heed untilt he next projection. Anyway when my vision did come online I was by a painted yellow closet. In the corner were a couple boxes of model kits. More noticible was a fan wrapped in a pad as used by moving companies to move things. I unwrapped the fan and let it fall to the floor.

After that I went back to my body.

I came back out again and went back to the room witht he anomaly, this time I investigated the safe. I unlocked it, inside of it were some ear rings, a necklace and some very surreal plastic kitchen utensils, there was a strange looking knife and I think either a spoon or fork, there was also some kind of a hook utensil. Also there may have been a pice of a clothes hanger. I then went out in the hall and asked some photos the purpose of the simulation. The first photo of some guy I didn't know changed into a woman when asked, the next one of some woman I didn't know changed intoa younger woman with blonde hair and pigtails. After That I went back to my body and woke up'.

Later I had a third projection, this time I went downstairs, I asked my guide to appear but no one came, I then went around asking a bunch of photos the purpose of the simulation, one, a photo of my dead aunt changed intoa picture of my cousin, most of the other photos I asked changed to look like Sadako fromt he ring, a girl with long hair covering her face. I then asked a mirror the purpose, my reflection changed slightly, some beard stuble vanished and I grew a unibrow like that arabian kid in the past projection. Last I was going to ask some coins I found, these were pennies with buffoloe on them like buffoloe nickels, I took them out of a bottle and then put them back when my dream mom came over and asked if I didn't want those and I was like "I'm kind of busy , maybe later" I was about to ask a potted plant but then I woke up.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:33 AM
by Korpo on Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:10 pm

It might have something to do with outer appearance. You saw several pictures change appearance, including yourself.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:13 pm

You know your dream mom was probably your facilitator- maybe that should give you a clue as to what it was about?


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Apr 16, 2011 1:44 pm

It might have something to do with outer appearance. You saw several pictures change appearance, including yourself.


So maybe this is a simulation for shape changing? That is one astral ability I never completely mastered.

You know your dream mom was probably your facilitator- maybe that should give you a clue as to what it was about?


Maybe, I'll have to keep a look out for her next time.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Thu Apr 21, 2011 7:55 pm

I had a short but odd projection the other day.

I rolled out like usual but when I hit the floor there was alot of force behind it, almost like my physical body. I then went over to check on the room anomaly and it wasn't there. So I went over tot he stairs and leapt down them landing with a thud, once again there was more force then usual behind it. I then noticed I was too short to see myself in the mirror so I grew taller, my reflection looked normal this time. This is where the projection ended. I kind of wonder if this was the realtime zone, but if it was would I be able to see my reflection?
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by natalie-1984 on Fri Apr 22, 2011 3:23 am

wouldn't you just see what you expect to see? Doesn't the mind still play a big role in changing the RTZ?

I think the RTZ is a mix of our reality and the next reality over, or the next frequency over. That seems to be my experience with it.
Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
natalie-1984


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:06 am

natalie-1984 wrote:
wouldn't you just see what you expect to see? Doesn't the mind still play a big role in changing the RTZ?
Up to a point- I think the RTZ can be subdivided, not spatially, but in quality of the experience. If you are not as lucid as you could be, the RTZ can be more energy responsive, and if you are in a simulation zone, it also can be more thought-responsive.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun Apr 24, 2011 12:35 pm

Had some more projections today.

I had two short ones where I came out of my room and went downstairs and asked some things is this was supposed to be a simulation for changing form. The pictures stopped changing so looking back on it this must have been a sign that it wasn't. Though at the time I didn't understand and tried asking again and both ended that way.

I also had a third longer projection that happened either before or after the first two, not sure which since I didn't remember it til much later.

The first that I remember of this one I had gotten out of bed and was heading downstairs, for some reason my sheet had come along and was clinging to my arm, with alot of effort I pulled it off though. I then asked a coat hanger the purpose of the simulation. For some reason the coat hanger seemed to sort of distort and crumple when I asked it this. When I got down I tried to see the aura of the astral objects, it worked with even little things like pencils showing a rainbow colored aura. A bit later , somehow I had ended up in some strange city. I sat down at a table at a restaurant with some woman who claimed to be another projector. I showed her some astral tricks like morphing the glasses on the table into other shapes. After that for reasons I'm not entirely sure about I shape shifted into the form of a giant six foot tall female praying mantis. This part of the projection gets kind of sketchy in my memory, but this is what I remember. For some reason I took off into the air and began to chase after someone or some thing for some reason. The sky was full of fast moving clouds and int he distance whatever I was chasing flew into some weird thing that seemed to be a combination of a giant mouth and eyeball. I flew in too after it and can't remember what happened after that.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun May 01, 2011 12:29 pm

Had two new ones today

The first one was kinda of short, came out blind and went downstairs, after that my sight came back on. I went over into the kitchen and saw some plant hanging. I asked it what the deal was with this simulation and some writing appeared on the leaves in my handwriting. The writing didn't make sense though, it was mostly made up words , the only one I can remember being "apliantly: there was also the word "wish note" written on it. After that I came back.

Later I came out again and asked the TV downstairs what was going on but it didn't respond. I then went over to the room anomaly and inside was what looked like the dressing room for a play. There were posters ont he wall for the play too which looked to be a broadway production telling the story of how king david came to power. The people in the play had mostly made up names, the only exception being someone named ringo. After that I woke up.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon May 02, 2011 1:28 pm

Had another short projection today.

I came out and checked on the room, I remember there being some boxes and also my plastic penguin was in there. I then went back by my room and a christmas tree was there, I tried asking it some questions but got no response. There was also a poster that had pictures of some cartoon characters (a racoon and a bird) fromt he cartoon "regular show" I tried asking the poster too but got no response and then came back. Seems I'm kind of at a stalemate in finding out the meaning of the current simulation, any ideas?
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by NightWalker on Tue May 03, 2011 9:36 am

defectron wrote:
I tried asking it some questions but got no response.


I have never heard of asking 'things' questions...I am intrigued...???
What you love you empower. What you fear you empower. What you empower you attract.
NightWalker


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed May 04, 2011 3:31 am

Yes, sometimes asking objects questions can yield clues.

Anyway I just had a really amazing projection.

I just had one where I had a conversation with a very interesting being who may or may not have been my guide. I forget exactly how this began but I was wandering around in some astral area, a dark corridor. Anyway someone came along so I manifested a japanese naginata weapon and pointed it at his face when he appeared out of nearby room. Whoever he was, he appeared as a tall grey alien at first. After doing this to him he sort of waved his hand and said something like "Get that out of my face! Come on, you wanted to talk right?" it is true that I've been wanting to talk to my guide and was wondering why I haven't heard from him/her for awhile so I figured this must be it. So we went into another area where my guides appearance shifted to look like an administrator on another forum I've seen the photo of.

first I decided to ask about kunidilini since I've been kind of curious about that and asked if I was ready to try it. my guides answer was "Sadly no, not even close" damn.

The next question was a bit more interesting. I was blanking on what to ask, which annoyed me greatly since there were alot of things I wanted to know, but then I thought of something.

I asked about the reptilian ufonauts, what were they?

His appearance shifted again, this part makes me slightly suspicious about whether or not this being really was my guide, he changed to look like a large muscular green man with bumps on his head, he also seemed to be wearing makeup symbolically this might mean he was putting on a show, in addition he seemed to have a sneaky sort of smile on his face which also makes me suspicious. But, show or not here's what happened next. He said "They are an ancient race who have wandered the cosmos for eons, however they encountered a great beast that even they were unable to adapt to." As he was saying this, he seemed to summon up some sort of viewing window for me to look for and see the reptilians, but it was obscured, I couldn't clearly see what was in it. As he did this he pulled me in close to his green naked body which made me slightly uncomfortable but was too focused on what was being shown to really care. This was brief but it was some shocking info to take in, what sort of monster could challenge an advanced race like that? Though it was only after the fact it occurred to me he may have been speaking symbolically. In kurt lelands book for example one of his guides told him the serpent from eden was actually symbolic for the primate instinct, the "great beast" which sounds similar to the beast of revelation may be a similar use of words in this instant.

I seem to recall I asked my guide a third question in between these two, but cannot remember it. After I asked about the reptilians my guide had to go, I wanted to ask what the enemy was that they couldn't adapt to, but it was too late and the projection ended. Note in this instant, my guide, or whoever that was did not answer my second question, he just gave details about their race whether then saying what exactly it was they were only that they were really old and advanced and met something they couldn't cope with. The first two bits of info are almost a given assuming they are a race of ET's or ultraterrestrials or even evolved dinosaurs. The last bit of
info however is new though which is what interests me most.

I really wish I had remembered to ask my guide about how to shapeshift and how to fix my financial situation, though may not have needed to ask about that last one as I have a feeling I may have found a solution, still wouldve been good to know for sure though.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Wed May 04, 2011 5:47 am

Hello, defectron.

What a very important experience!

Ignore the content for a minute and just look at it: You, highly lucid, are consciously interacting with an entity out of body. This is most certainly an accomplishment, especially since the communication mostly made sense. Contrast this with earlier experiences, including the ape man.

A "green giant" could denote one's accomplishment in growth (green is often associated with growth and the heart chakra). You're still learning to read the information appearance transmits about an entity, and you could consider the changes actually meaning not an intentional change of appearance on behalf of the entity, but changing sense impressions you translated for yourself.

A very good question to ask any entity is to explain why they look to you as they do. Kurt regularly ask this question and describes what he sees, and in my opinion gets the most enlightening answers. This also helps enormously in developing a translation for the symbolism of what you see.

As for the great beast - must not be an entity. Could be also an archetype or an image for a great challenge, a craving, a desire. Remember you're still learning to translate communications - accuracy and understanding will improve ever more.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed May 04, 2011 12:11 pm

As for the great beast - must not be an entity. Could be also an archetype or an image for a great challenge, a craving, a desire. Remember you're still learning to translate communications - accuracy and understanding will improve ever more.


Yes, I was also thinking it may have been something like that. Some time later after I had gone back to sleep I had another shorter projection where I met my guide again. However I seem to recall being interupted by a third person before I could ask anymore questions, thats pretty much all I can remember of that one.

I actually vaguely recall the third unremembered question now. I think I actually did ask about how to become financially independent and my guide pretty much said just to keep up with the projects I'm working on right now and they'll pay off later. It's only a vague memory though but I think thats what happened.

Hopefully I'll be able to meet with my guide again int he near future, I have alot more questions I would like to ask.

A very good question to ask any entity is to explain why they look to you as they do. Kurt regularly ask this question and describes what he sees, and in my opinion gets the most enlightening answers. This also helps enormously in developing a translation for the symbolism of what you see.


Good idea, the next time my guide assumes an odd form like that I'll have to ask what it means.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:34 AM
by defectron on Mon May 09, 2011 8:23 am

Had four projections today!

In the first one I came out and went over tot he room anomaly, the place was full of boxes of sporting goods and also some towels. I got the feeling that if I stuck around here too long the projection would end so I grabbed one of the towels and went downstairs. I then asked to see my guide but no one came, though I did hear a disembodies version of my moms voice say something that made no sense right after this. I dont remember what she said only that it was something kind of odd. Anyway I then went around and asked various things the purpose of the projection. One was a piece of paper and a coulpe words appeared on it. The first word was either registered or unregistered, for get which, the next looked like a misspelled version of completely. After this, the projection ended.

Next I came out and went downstairs doing the same thing without any signigigant results. Since it didn't look like I was getting anywhere I decided to try something and went outside. For a moment the wind blew me about like a leaf and then I focused on a freind of mine. I wanted to try to make contact with him. As soon as I did this an invisible force grabbed me by the feet and I went flying. It was alot like the projection where I got grabbed by an invisible force and pulled to the mansion my guide was at. But this time I think I'm the one who initated it. I shot across the landscape, I was heading for wherever my freind was and I when I got there I would attempt contact. Last time I past through a building before ending up at the mansion. I thought maybe this would happen again this time around. But when a building did come into my path I just collided with it and fell down. When I landed I somehow ended up in an apartment where some family was living. This wasn't the realtime zone, it was some place in the astral. Looking back on it I should have tired talking to the family there, but I was too annoyed that my idea hadn't worked. I tried to go through the wall but it wouldn't let me. So I went outside to try going through something else. Metal seemed to work ok, but all the metal around was too small for my whole body to phase through. I ripped a metal park bench off the ground intent on making this into a sort of door, but it kinda seemed to evaporate when I tried that. I think the projection ended after that. So the question is, was my attempt blocked? Because it does seem like that may have been the case. Either that or something really weird happend, like maybe my freind actually was one of the people in that family, but for some reason he didn't look like how he usually looks to me.


Edit: here's another I just had

Had another one that was pretty interesting just now

I met a being who appeared to be my dead father

I forget exactly how I came out but I was down stairs and sitting on the couch was my dad. We hugged and he said something like "it's been too long. You've grown since I last saw you." After that he held out his hand and said something like "Lets see how strong you've gotten since then. Grab onto my writst and don't let go" I did this and with some difficulty managed to hang on as he tried to pull it away. When he was alive he had always been stronger then me. After that he laughed and said not to tell my borthers that I was stronger then him now. After that it ended.

Anyway here's a few odd things about that though. One is that my dad looked almost like he did before he died, most of the time when people see those who have died they usually make themselve look younger, maybe he just did this so I would recognize him, but you'd think he wouldve at least given himself a full head of hair. Also it's odd I was supposed to be stronger then him, this isn't physical steingth and although I've been told my psychic potential is above average, you would think someone living in non physical reality for this long would be more powerful in that area. Though he also may have meant I was stronger then he was while he was alive? I'm not sure of course it's also possible this may not have actually been my dad and something else may have been going on too. I'm not sure.

Edit: here's another I just remembered, this one is probably the most interesting one here

In this one I suddenly found my conciousness floating about in some alien looking world. This was not like a regular projection, I didn't have an astral body there or anything just my conciousness looking at this weird place, maybe this was remote viewing? Anyway this place was very odd, at the time it looked as real as the physical world, but my memory is a bit sketchy of it now, but I remember the trees looked strange there were also alot of mountains in the background, the sky was twlilight with at least one moon partially visible, I think it was early morning. But it was really weird, I could feel my physical body in bed but I was looking at this weird place without it being there. Anyway after a bit of this it ended.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Mon May 09, 2011 1:55 pm

Defectron
Wow, four quality OBEs all in one night. Very impressive!
Did you remain conscious during the periods between the projections? Or was there a lapse of consciousness? Or maybe a dream(s)?
A couple quick comments. One theory has it that deceased people actually start to grow younger again in the astral! The age regression is left up to each individual person. So a person who died at age 75 in the physical world could regress back to 50 or 30 or even 15 years appearance in the astral (or even look younger).
Second, asking astral residents about an astral location is Always a good idea. It's too bad that I hardly ever remember to do that. Most people don't ask about the astral realms that they visit and are later left with many unanswered questions after the experience ends.

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon May 09, 2011 2:31 pm

One theory has it that deceased people actually start to grow younger again in the astral! The age regression is left up to each individual person.


Yeah this is one reason I was a bit suspicious about whether or not this individual was my real dad, because I know he would've made himself younger or least gotten his hair back as he didn't like being bald. But then again this may have come down to perceptions, as I've seen in previous projections the appearance of individuals at least some of the time is determined by the observer in the astral. This is why my guide keeps on taking so many different appearances and apparantly I also look pretty different to my guide as well.

Also I know I woke up at least once between these, I seem to recall the projection with my dad and the remote viewing of the alien world both took place close to each other though without waking up.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by CFTraveler on Mon May 09, 2011 3:35 pm

I have seen this effect with both my grandmother and my mother. The first time I began to suspect that my mom was not well was when I started to dream about her as a young woman. And unfortunately, my fears were realized.

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon May 09, 2011 5:27 pm

Wow, I just got some confirmation from my friend. Last night apprantly he dreampt about seeing a person simialar to one of the individuals in that family around a apartment building. So maybe I just missed him when I jumped over there.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Korpo on Wed May 11, 2011 9:48 am

Hello, defectron.

Sports gear and towels in boxes = more training in store for you.

I wouldn't pick apart the details of your father's visit so much. Everything from a book or somebody else is just an expectation. Every experience unfolds anew. I'd rather say it was a familiar thing your dad did and done here for the sake of closure, not to actually demonstrate anything. Just a little ritual you guys had.

Cheers,
Oliver

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed May 11, 2011 11:25 am

Yeah I was thinking that too about the sports gear. And yeah maybe your right about my dad there too. If I see him again I'll have to ask about that.

Also had a few short projections today.

In the first I don't remember it very well but was talking with someone and then phased through a window, I don't remember much other then that. The next one I rolled out and went over to the room anomaly, not much was in it this time, but there was a little waste basket, inside was a piece of paper with an image of seven lightbulbs, the top bulb was crossed out. My guess is the six lightbulbs below it symbolise chakras that I have activated and need to work on the last one. I was about to go downstairs but got pulled back. I rolled back out and then jumped down the stairs. I went through my usual routine of calling my guide and asking about the simulation. I then went over to a pice of paper and asked it if there was anything I needed to do here now. The paper mostly went blank except for one jibberish word. So I said "Yes or no , is it ok if I try to go visit my freinds dream again?" the word changed into another jibberish word. I asked a few more times until it changed into what looked like a backwards yes. Well that was god enough for me, I was about to go do that but then went back in my body again. I came out once more and went straight outside. In the distance really dark storm clouds could be seen on the horizon. I then focused on my freind and jumped into the air. Once again I shot off being pulled by an invisible force, but this time I woke up beofre I could get there. At least I managed to verify that the technique wasn't a fluke. If I had been able to do it uninterupted I may have been able to get to his dream again.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by greytraveller on Wed May 11, 2011 1:45 pm

Greetings Defectron
Your latest projection, the one with the paper spelling out words to read, reminds me of the Harry Potter movie where there is a similar "magickal" paper. This intrigues me. You seem very adept at getting ' inanimate' objects to communicate. Other people report seeing astral screens appear in their OBEs. Now I have never experienced any of this in my journeys out of body. But the writing paper thing Just might be possible for me. Simple one word answers like yes or no or maybe a location or a persons name. The other possibility is to get a paper to write in a lucid dream (although for some reason words are harder to read in a dream than when OOB). Anyways I am notoriously Bad at remembering things to do when OOB (examples, OOB yoga or meditation, Astral Pulse Island, revisiting astral locales, etc etc) But if I Do remember to try this then I will post a comment here.

Regards
Grey

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed May 11, 2011 2:41 pm

I think part of the clarity of the messages that it spells out might have to do with how well the chakra associated with communication is developed. If it looks a bit garbled it might mean it still needs some work. I've gotten decently good at talking to people I meet in projections but wirrten words still tend to be a little bit garbled sometimes. So if you do try it, pay attention to how clear the words are that it tells you.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon May 23, 2011 11:00 am

oh good this is finnally back up and right on time too since I just had a pretty awesome projection

Anyway before I get to that I think I should talk about some shorter ones that kind of lead up to this.

Last week I projected a number of times, most of these weren't all that important so I'll only write about the ones that kind of lead up to todays.

In one I came out and was about to go downstairs but for some reason my step dad was there and tried to put me in a head lock. I wriggled out of it and pushed him out of the way and went downstairs and went through my usual procedeur of trying to figure out the simulation. After that I got pulled back, I came out again and went back downstairs another time, this time something odd happened as when I landed I shrunk into the form of a little kid but got pulled back shortly after that. Anyway I had a few others after that but I'll skip them since I want to get tot he more important ones. I also had a dream recently where he was going around trying to break my swords, though he was unable to do so with the bokken sword I have which I coincedently manifested in case it was needed in that first projection. Later on thursday I had one where my step dad showed up when I came out and tried poking my face. Once again I pushed him out of my way and tried to go figure out the meaning of the simulation but got pulled back. It then hit me that this manifestation of my step dad was probably a component of the simulation I needed to confront.

Anyway todays projections took off from that. In the first one I came out, given that he seemed to antagonize me a bit it was possible this would be a confrontation of some sort so I manifested a bokken which is a wooden sword used for kendo practice and went downstairs to find him. As I landed I shrunk quite a bit until he was a giant towering over me. I recall thinking I would need something better then that bokken if I was supposed to fight him at that size, fortinately it seems that wasn't what I was supposed to do. I got pulled back and came out again before finding him and asking "Hey, who are you? What's your purpose? Why do you keep bothering me?" I don't remember exactly what his response was , only that he said something along the lines of "I'm not allowed to tell you!" that response seemed kind of unnaceptable to me, but that projection ended there before I could really protest. After that I came out again and went back to trying to find out the meaning of the simulation.

I went in the kitchen and asked a pice of paper, a number of incomplete words appeared save for three complete ones, shape, history and a third one I can't remember. I then had an idea, I went outside and decided to focus on the idea of going where i needed to be in order to complete the simulation. I shot off in some random direction pulled by an invisible force once more, passing by random farm land, lots of tornadoes in the distance and a huge worm in the sky that looked as if it were drawn for an animation. Anyway I eventually collided with a house and spun around before blacking out. I ended up inside of some house by a little kids room. I began to look around for anything that could relate to shape or history. The kids bed had a frame of woom made to look like reindeer, I thought of santa claus not knowing if that had some hidden signifigance. Next to his bed was a plastic vampire about two feet tall and next to that was some sort of starwars playset that had a bunch of tiny gammorean guards in it. I picked one up and looked at it before putting it down. I then went into the kitchen where a woman was standing next to a series of what appeared to be dish washers. I thought it was odd they would have so many dishwashers there. She then opened up the door of one and pointed to the inside,t he inside of the dish washer was more like an oven covered in black soot. The door had a groove in it like a kiln. She then asked "What does this look like to you?" I thought for a moment and answered that it looks like a kiln. I had a feeling I knew where this was going since it reminded me of something I read on otherwhere. for a moment my lucidity seemed to have some issues as things got fuzzy and I had a bit of trouble understanding her but then it came back online and she said "Yes, what's a swear word humans use for bad things?" My response was sh!t. Then she said "Yes, this is where all the sh!t gets burned out of souls we put inside." anyway after that the projection ended.

Shortly afterwards I was back in my body but felt my legs floating up and out again. I then went downstairs, given that I at least cleared part of that past simulation I decided to ask if it was ok to do other things. I went out and found a wadded up tissue paper on the ground and asked it "Is it ok if I go visit my freind? Or is there more to that simulation?" Depending on its answer I would either try to go back to the soul washer lady or try to visit my freinds dream again which I was interested in trying to do. The tissue paper then did something unexpected as the wads formed into a tiny wadded up face and it said in a rediculous gargly voice "Nooo! I don't know!" Well I guess that meant there was probably more simulation, but before I could try to go back to it the projection ended.

defectron
18th June 2011, 12:35 AM
Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Kurt Leland on Mon May 23, 2011 5:40 pm

Hi defectron--

I get emails whenever someone posts on that 10 levels of lucidity thread and I usually check up on them. The things that strikes me as most significant about your adventure is that the Guide you met asked you about how you were perceiving things (the kiln/washer). My Guides often do that, since they know that we use images that are familiar to us to help us understand our experiences beyond space and time. Sounds like you visited a part of the astral plane that involves the cleansing of souls. Good job.

Kurt
Kurt Leland


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue May 24, 2011 11:35 am

The things that strikes me as most significant about your adventure is that the Guide you met asked you about how you were perceiving things (the kiln/washer)


yeah back in winter I had another projection that related to appearances. When I remarked to a guide a I met how she looked like my mom and she said "So is that how I look to you?" though a thought occurred to me that maybe this happens both ways and I asked my guide how I looked to her. She confirmed my suspicions saying that I looked like a young girl from nazi germany to her for some reason (just to be clear I don't support any nazi ideals, I'm guessing that imagery is representative of something else. Also I'm not a girl in physical reality, though from what I hear gender lines are alot fuzzier in non physical).
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by Kurt Leland on Tue May 24, 2011 1:16 pm

Guides have a wicked sense of humor. I think this one was funning you to see whether you would believe (or take literally) everything she said.

Kurt Leland

Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Tue May 24, 2011 1:58 pm

I think this one was funning you to see whether you would believe (or take literally) everything she said.


That could be, though if that's the case I kinda wish she hadn't done that as I spent alot of time thinking about why that might be. Anyway I did have one other projection that relates to appearances. I asked several questions to a guide and for some reason the guide would sometimes take a new form when answering a new question.

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defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Wed May 25, 2011 10:03 am

Had some new projections just now

In the first one I came out and ran over to the stairs before jumping down, something odd seemed to happen as I blacked out and seemed to fall back into my body.

Awhile later I came out again and asked a random piece of paper if I should go try to find the simulation again using the jumping ability that I used to get to the soul cleaners and my freinds dream. Instead of a yes or a no a bunch of phone numbers appeared on the paper. I wasn't sure what this meant so I took a chance. I went outside and floated into the air and then focused on finding the next simulation. Then I shot off once more pulled to wherever it was. I passed by some houses and went under a bridge. Once again I didn't stop until I collided with something. I ended up in another kids room, this one had some things like mine. I rememb er there being some action figures like the ones in my room. I eventually encountered a red haired woman. What is odd is her existence seemed to slightly flucuate at first, blinking in and out of existence before stabalizing. I then asked her if this simulation was about me since it was my stuff here. She said it was though she didn't say exactly what aspect of me it related to. She then remarked that I had done great in the animal communication lessons we had earlier. This is not something I have memories of doing in a projection so maybe I forgot, though I have dabbled in animal communication in the physical world with some success. Before I could talk with her further I ended up back in my body again.

This time I was in dream and in a room with a big mirror, instead of going back to my body I decided to phase out of the dream, but I would try something different this time. I had heard in the past that going into a mirror will take you to some odd places so I decided to try that. I pushed into the mirror, it was like phasing through regular objects but much denser. I eventually pushed my way intot he pea soup of energy before ending up in some strange neighborhood with no people in it. For the remaineder of this projection I just floated around without finding anyone.

After coming back, my legs floated out and I popped out again, I had an idea, what if I tried using the jump technique indoors? Alot of people have reported that focusing on someplace can bring you there instantly, but for some reason this seems to work differently with me. I'll end up getting pulled by an invisible fore until I crash into something and black out, then when my vision comes back I'll be where I'm supposed to go. But with all these walls so close by I would be crashing into something alot sooner if I tried it here. I floated into the air and tried to jump but I just ended up bouncing off the wall and falling back into bed, that failed. I then went downstairs and saw a plant there. I decided to try to form more meaningful communication with it. I took its leaves and focused on it, what was the plant feeling? I then felt that the plant loved me, like the tree in an earlier projection it hugged me. But then its vines seemed to form into a sort of skeleton of a humanoid body with no head. I remember we both walked into another room but can't remember much after that.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sun May 29, 2011 2:50 pm

Had a few new projections today.

The first one I only remember the exit and coming back to my body, the stuff inbetween I can't remember. Later I had another where I came out and went downstairs, I then picked upa credit card and asked it if IO should try to jump to another location like last time. At first nothing came up but then it sort of became all spongey for some reason and a bunch of gibberish words came up on it, some of these words contained the letters "no" so I thought it meant I wasn't supposed to do that. I then walked over to a lamp and asked it the purpose of this simulation but it didn't seem to want to answer. I ended up going back shortly after that. I came out again, this one didn't last long but before I got called back I noticed the room below was full of grandfather clocks for some reason.

This last one seemed to sort of be a lucid dream rather then a projection, but its close enough that I included it here. I was playing some sort of a game where I would make an actual person do everything on my game console. Anyway for some reason I decided to go meet the person in the game so I did and we both went to the next level in the game. This ended up being a school advisors office, though the sign on it, instead of saying "advisors office" said "Alienors Office". Anyway I figured maybe the person in the office was some kind of guide so I went in. She recommended I watch one of my favorite anime series "Evangelion" again, maybe to give me some inspiration for the comic I'm doing? Though what was really odd was she also then she recommended I buy some merchandise from the series I wouldnt usually get. Dunno how that would do me any good but it ended before I could ask what the deal with that was.


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Sat Jun 04, 2011 12:00 pm

Had two new projections today

In the first one I rolled out, for some reason I seemed kinda smaller then I should when I hit the floor, this seems to often happen. Also this part was pretty lucid. Anyway I went over tot he door, for some reason it had three knobs. I opened it up and checked on the room anomaly. Inside was a table, some chairs and a barbeque grill. I then passed by my step dad, who may have been the weird simulation version of him that sometimes bothers me, but he didn't do anything this time. After that the projection ended. Im believe the grill is important as it relates to something that happens in the next projection.

In the next projection I came out again and went downstairs, I had a feeling that it would be ok jumping to the simulation location so I didn't bother asking anything this time and just did it. I went out and got pulled by the invisible force when I focused on going. I thought I might get there sooner if I initiated a collision with something so I tried smacking intot he road. But all this did was leave me in the middle of the road. So I had a thought that maybe whatever time it takes to get there could actually be nessecery for something and isn't just my perceptions. So I got back up and jumped again. The force pulled me over to a building that is a couple blocks away from my house. Outside it a bunch of kids were playing and drawing on the sidewalk with chalk. I landed and walked over to one of them and said "so this is a simulation?" heis answer was "yeah" so then I asked "So what's this one about" his answer was "Not Eating" after that the projection ended.

Now this seems to be a pretty confusing response but I think I may have found what the deal here is. According to dream moods eating too much can symbolise a persons desires and I have been feeling a bit impatient about some things lately, so that might be what this is all about.
defectron


Re: Defectron's OBE journal
by defectron on Mon Jun 06, 2011 11:35 am

Had three new projections today

The first time I rolled out, went downstairs and then went out to try to jump to another simulation, there was a very bright sun setting in the distance. When I began to jump I was yanked in the direction of the sun but never made it there as I got knocked back to my body. Seems I wasn't supposed to do that this time.

After that I came out again and went to find clues to what the simulation was about. I checked the room anomaly first and it was full of toys and a lamp. I know what the toys mean from previous simulations but I don't know about the lamp. I then went downstairs and found something odd. It seemed to be a dog constructed out of rubber balls. I picked it up and asked if I was supposed to stay here this time. Its face formed some in comprenesible writing, beneath which was eithed numbers. I figured the numbers might be stand ins for words and stay here has eight words in it so maybe thats what it was telling me. The rubber dog sort of dissapeared after that and I went to looking for clues elsewhere. I looked in the frdge but got called back.

I came out a third time and tried to make the jump again for some reason but got knocked back and that was it for todays projections.

defectron
18th June 2011, 01:00 AM
Ok, that's it for all my old projections, now for the new stuff

A couple weeks ago I had a day where I projected multiple times, possibly as many as six or seven

The first time I came out was short, getting sent back shortly afterwards. The next time I came out I went and checked on the room anomaly. It was a closet and I figured this was due to having some funky energy from the other day since I hadn't done the special shaman journey to purge that sort of thing the other day. Anyway a guide showed up who looked sort of like the owner of the campground from the last sleepaway camp movie. After he confirmed what the closet was about he gave me a task to do. I wanted to ask him some questions but he pretty much told me that there was no time for that and I had to do the simulation now. He said I had to find a mountain and bring back some snow from the top of it. He then stated that I had one hour to do this, I'm guessing he was referring to physical world time as time doesn't work the same way in the astral, sure enough it looks like an hour may have passed since I had gone back to sleep and got up later. Looking back on this my guess was that I was supposed to use some new method of travel to get there, either that or I completely misunderstood and the snow was symbolic of something else. Anyway at first I tried to use the usual method of focusing on something and jumping there. Now alot of people report doing this instantaniously, but for unknown reasons it doesn't seem to work that way with me. Like the time when I went into my freinds dream and the time I went to the soul cleaners, I get pulled by an invisible force when I do this until I smack into something and only after that do I arrive at my destination. Anyway I tried doing this once, but never made it to the mountain as I ended up getting pulled back to my body before I could reach my destination. I came back out and tried again with the same result at least once or twice more. Sooner or later I realized the purpose of this simulation was probably to teach me a new way of travel. First thing I tried doing was phasing into the floor while vishualizing a mountain. The floor didn't let me in, though I was able to see really far into the rug looking to near macroscopic levels. Anyway I then went to the room anomaly, oddly a suitcase was sitting in front og it. I moved the suitcase and then focused on the mountain before opening the door. After going inside I entered a dark place, I was in a subway tunnel covered in snow. I picked up the snow , but several people dressed as olympic athletes nearby told me this was the wrong snow. Oddly one of them looked like the heavy weight judo contender from the anime Yawara. Anyway I wandered around a bit trying to find my way out of the tunnels before getting pulled back. I came out again and went to the door again moving the suitcase again and focusing on the mountain. This time I came out in a house that appeared to be in japan, outside the window I could see mount fuji off in the distance. I smashed though the window and flew out, a clothsline suddenly lashed around my ankle before I could fly but I was able to wrench myself free and continued flying towards the mountain. I wasn't out of the woods yet though as more obsticals were coming my way. Some guy who looked like one of the camp counselors from the sleepaway camp movies was bounding across the rooftops following me, he was accompanied by another indevidual who looked like an anime character, the demon kneesocks. The camp counselor leapt into the air grabbing my leg. I wasn't going to let whoever this guy was stop me, I was going to get to the mountain! I grew claws and slashed his hands with them until he let go. I then continued to fly towards the mountain but I woke up before I got there and that was the end of that days projections.

A few days later I had a couple more, the first one wasn't very remarkable as I came out and looked out down the stairway, a rocking chair was sitting on the stairway. After that I got pulled back but came out again. I then went over to the stairway and bumped into the chair knocking down the stairs a bit. After getting down I decided to ask the chair some questions, it then responded in an unusual way, I heard its thoughts telepathically in my head. I forget exactly what it said, but it then grew a screen on its back displaying a number of words which I believe relate to some things I was doing too often as balance is always important, this seems to have been one of those self improvement simulations. But before I could look at it more some bald guy with glasses came over and started trying to pinch me. I began to fight him off but got called back before I could do much anything else.

And then from a few days ago is my newest obe I already posted in another thread

It started in a dream where I was by a parking lot and saw a big blue van about the size of a house there. For a moment I thought it was weird the van was there then it occurred to me this was a dream. I then went back to my body and rolled out. The first time wasn't anything special, I just came out and then got sent back. But then I came out again and went downstairs. I found a vacuum cleaner and asked it the purpose of the simulation. I then put the hose to my ear and listened. I then heard a voice say either "I'm alive" or "Were alive" or something to that extent.

CFTraveler
18th June 2011, 01:03 AM
Now that it's 'sort of' restored, I suggest you copy & paste the latest OBEs, because if I try to merge them the timing will be all messed up.
I've stickied it also.

defectron
18th June 2011, 03:54 PM
Yeah got those posted right before your post

Anyway had one projection today, I came out and went downstairs before asking some objects what this simulation was about, none seemed to feel like answering today. i then wnet over tot he fridge and found a can of whip cream, I decided to try eating some since I was curious about if I could taste stuff in the astral. It tasted like regular whip cream but seemed to be thicker. Got pulled back to my body after that.

Korpo
18th June 2011, 08:51 PM
Hello, defectron.

The speed of travel is related to the body you're in. You can see a development in that regard when reading Monroe's books, for example. In the beginnings he was also flying towards a goal, stretching towards it, etc. You see similar description in Robert Bruce's book "Astral Dynamics" (IIRC) when trying to reach a star while keeping it in focus.

The baggage in front of the portal might have been a hint that there might be some baggage you don't want to carry around with you, and do some cleansing first before embarking on your mission. The hint was that the baggage was in the way when you tried to enter the portal.

Interesting adventures! :)

Cheers,
Oliver

defectron
19th June 2011, 07:11 PM
So in the mental body it might be instantanious then?

Anyway I had two short projections today

In the first one it was a dream that I was in my room, but then I noticed I was floating so I figured out that this was a dream. I tried to phase through the door to the astral but got a bit of resistence. I woke up just as I was making it through. The next one happened when I rolled out and went over to the room. I wanted to try the trick I learned when trying to get tot he mountain again. The room anomaly was a closet right now which means there's some stuff that needs to be taken care of. I turned away and focused on trying to make another location appear behind the door but wasn't able to do it this time. After that I woke up.

defectron
20th June 2011, 01:49 PM
Had a number of new projections today

In the first projection I came out and looked into the room anomaly, it was still a closet, but there didn't seem to be as much in it, some stuff was wadded up in the back of the room. Anyway I then went downstairs, instead of jumping like I usually do, I slid down the stairs and then tumbled into the rug, when this happened I seemed to shrink alot but sort of came back to regular size when I came to a stop. After that I got pulled back to my body. I then came out again and went downstairs another time. The first object that caught my eye was the rug, so I picked it up and asked what this simulation was about. The rug did answer but didn't seem to give any useful info. Oddly there seemed to be two voices and they seemed to be talking to each other. I forget what they said exactly but they sounded like a couple of stoners. About midway through their conversation it occurred to me I was wearing a winter hat and that maybe the rug and the hat were talking to each other and I was listening to their conversation. I then got pulled back again. Wasn't long before I came back out though, this time when I jumped down, a young black girl was standing in the middle of the room below. I asked her the meaning of the simulation. I forget her exact words but it was something along the lines of "to open your inner mind" she then gave me a cup full of some strange green drink which she said would help me do that. I took it and drank it. I seem to recall we talked about something else and that I got kinda goofy and began running in circle to keep myself from going back to my body. Also for some reason I kept switching genders while doing this but it didn't seem to be a big deal to me. That projection ended after that. I came back out again and met another guide who I can't remember the appearance of. Our conversation related to what the little girl said, but I don't remember any of the details. I then came out again, this time my step dad and some woman I didn't know were coming up the stairs, these were presumably guides but I got called back before I could ask them anything. I then came out again for the last time. I went downstairs and noticed a mini fridge in the kitchen inside was a small desert cup with a pink strawberry on top. i began to ask it what the deal was, but then a thought occurred to me I was supposed to eat this, so I did. Then I thought to myself there were alot of guides around today and I should try calling to see if anyone would come out to answer some questions I have had. I did this and my step dad came out, I asked him if he was my guide and he said "heck yeah!". As usual I had a bit of trouble remembering the many things I thought about asking my guide when none were around, but then I thought of one. "How do you shapeshift, in the physical world?" His answer was "I don't know, that's not something I studied on how to do." I began to ask him if there was someone he knew who could tell me, obviously the akashic record could, but it would be helpful if he knew someone who was a bit more easy to access. He began to talk but I got called back before he could finish his sentence. I'm pretty sure besides these I also had at least one short but not very memorable projection as well.

Anyway this simulation involved me drinking and eating something, any ideas on what that was all about?

defectron
20th June 2011, 02:11 PM
I just remembered a bit more of the projection after the one witht he little girl

This one involved some teenaged guy.

He was suggesting I start something in relation to what the little girl said, it was some word I didn't recognize though. Thats all i remember at the moment.

EDIT: Remembered a bit more, I seem to recall the teenaged guide saying I should share some knowledge I had with a larger audience or something like that I really don't remember what the subject matter was though which is a problem. I had one idea I was having trouble conveying for one reason or another and asked if he could read my mind and tell me if thats the right way to go. He seemed to have a bit of trouble.

I'm not sure if this is one of the lessons I was supposed to learn in the simulations or not, but one thing I did learn is some of the guides, probably the less experienced ones have some limitations to what they can do.

defectron
22nd June 2011, 03:44 PM
Had two new projections today

In the first one I don't remember too much of it, but I went to a place that looked like the house of one of my old neighbors. I can't confirm if that really was his house or not as I don't live in that neighborhood anymore though.

In the next one I came out and , for no reason in particular I felt where my body would be on bed, only notable thing is it seemed to feel slightly warm there. After that I went to check on the room anomaly, for some reason a small book case was in front of it, I was able to still peak inside though and it still looked like a closet. I then went downstairs and picked upa small red weight and asked it the purpose of this simulation. The weight spoke and introduced itself as "Ron Zimmerman", it then explained that the diffrent simulations tend to jump around alot and that I should hold on while it checks on its purpose. So I did this, to keep myself from waking up I ran in circles but he was taking awhile, I asked him if he could hurry up because according to some kind of timer that had appeared on the wall it had been more then 10 minutes and I wanted to find out before I woke up. But he never got back to me and I woke up.

defectron
26th June 2011, 03:41 PM
Had two short ones today, in the first one I came out, checked and checked on the room anomaly. It was a closet, though it was alot smaller. I then went downstairs and tried to find out what this was all about. For some reason some wooden constructs were being added onto the couch downstairs, I don't know what that was about. But got pulled back after that.

I came out again later and tried to find out what the simulation was all about again. I thought maybe I was supposed to go somewhere else so I tried asking something, I forget what exactly but it was made of wood. All that happened was a knot in the wood moved around and devided into two knots in the wood. I then saw my mom who may have been a guide so I asked her if I needed to go somewhere or not. She said "All that reminds is an empty path, you havent used the challenges to-" but she got cut off.

Apparently there is something I'm supposed to do but havent done yet. Maybe this relates tot he stuff in the closet?

If I had to guess at what the majority of what is in the closet relates to I would think it might be because recently some of my hours at work got cut and I haven't completely handeled that situation yet though I have been trying. I'll have to ask what exactly it is I need to do next time.

defectron
27th June 2011, 01:12 PM
Had another one this morning

I was having a dream and realized it was a dream, after doing so I came back and rolled out.


I probably should have focused more on what all this was about but at the time I was kind of set on finding out what my guide had been going on about last time so I began to look around for her. She was not around so I tried jumping to where she was. For the very first time I was able to make a jump without going outside first. The place shifted to somewhere else that looked simialr to where I just was but kind of different. My guide still wasn't around though. I knocked some kind of a shelf over and then got sucked back to my body.

defectron
28th June 2011, 04:07 AM
oh yeah, one thing I forgot, around the end of that last projection I saw something written somewhere about meditation in bed. This is usually where I meditate, sometimes if I do this later at night it's problematic because it makes me fall asleep, but I looked up what I saw written there and found a way to help avoid doing that which is cool.

defectron
2nd July 2011, 12:55 PM
Had a projection a little while ago

I came out of a dream where I was trying to follow a samurai and a ninja through some strip mall.

Anyway I rolled out after that, oddly I was back in the usual place that kind of looks like my house even though I'm in massacheusetts right now. First I checked on the room anomaly which was still a clset. Then I went downstairs and a table was there that wasn't supposed to be. I thought it might have signifigance so I tried talking to it but it didn't answer and neither did anything else. I also noticed my reflection looked different then usual, I looked at it for a while and then moved on. I called my guide and he began to come but then some woman with an umbrella came up and said "William Guide, I demand you leave", to which he did leave. I went over to her was was like "Why did you make him go away? What is it you want from me? What do you want me to do?" And she said "Why don't you take a little break." I began to protest this but after that the projection ended.

I hope she didn't mean a break from projecting altogether. But at the least it looks like she wanted me to take a break from the simulations. I guess next time I project I'll just try to go do one of those things I've been meaning to do but havent been able to because of the simulations like trying to visit my freinds dream again or trying to visit a haunted place in the physical world.

Korpo
4th July 2011, 11:34 AM
Hello, defectron.


Anyway I rolled out after that, oddly I was back in the usual place that kind of looks like my house even though I'm in massacheusetts right now.

I'd say that confirms it is indeed an astral environment you usually encounter, not a RTZ one.

Cheers,
Oliver

defectron
6th July 2011, 03:02 AM
Yeah I was thinking that too, I've strongly suspected for a long time that at least most if not all were not RTZ projections, the only exceptions being a couple odd projections that I cannot verify the location of in the physical world.

Today I had two brief projections, both of these were blind.

In the first one I rolled out blind, I didn't attempt to participate in the simulation this time as the guide in that last projection said to take a break. So I decided to try jumping to my freinds house in massacheusetts I had just been visiting. I did this as I ran towards the stairs and leapt but it didn't work as I just ended up getting pulled back into my body.

Awhile later I projected out of a dream, I jumped to an area I couldn't see but the ground felt like it was made of stone, I walked a bit and felt some carpet but no one seemed to be around and that's where this one ended.

Beekeeper
6th July 2011, 09:10 AM
Pretty good journey.:D Will you ask to meet Jesus again?

defectron
6th July 2011, 11:48 PM
Yeah when I get the chance I'm going to have to give that and a few other things another try.

I had a couple projections this morning, the first was short and unremarkable, the next one I projected to a place that looked like my old house. I went out and looked around all I really remember doing was taking down the address of one of the other houses. Most likely this was another place in the astral, but just in case I'll have to check out that address the next time I'm in the area.

In my last projection, I came out and the door was locked proably because there are various things I need to do and am in the process of doing this very moment.

I completely forgot about trying to project over to my freinds house today though.

defectron
7th July 2011, 03:26 PM
Had a new projection today

I came out and went downstairs, I first asked to see my guide but no one came. After that I tried asking what the simulation was but I don't think anything responded. Anyway I noticed someone who looked like my mom, but whoever or whatever it was it did't seem to react at all to me. I then went upstairs and checked the room anomaly, it wasn't a closet anymore, so it looks like I did something right in my recent efforts. Instead it looked like a small living room. I asked one piece of furniture what this was all about and a dile appeared that had several words written on it. I only remember one word which is the word "STILL" written in all caps. After that I asked for advice in sorting out my issues in trying to make more money. The words changed again, the only one that made sense was "lowloan". Maybe it meant low interest loan? The only thing I can think of I might need a loan for would be if I went through with my idea of trying to sell wholesale products. Though before that I would need to find a product I knew would sell otherwise it could be a wasted effort. Though if I do find one I'll certainly consider the option. Anyway after that the projection ended.

defectron
9th July 2011, 03:09 PM
Had two projections today, the first one was really short, I projected into a place that looked like some kind of basement, I began to phase through the wall and it ended.

The next projection was more interesting. I felt my legs float up so I kicked out and was in a place that looked like my old house. I went about and asked various things what this was about but they didn't feel like answering. After that I had a few ideas from one of volgerls recent journals I wanted to try out. First I tried calling my higher self but no one came. Next I decided to try manifesting something which will hopefully come my way in the physical world. I went over tot he table and held out my hand attempting to cause a wad of money to appear but nothing was happening. I then got an idea and reached into nearby envelope pulling out some moeny, I di this several times, oddly some of the bills that came out were japanese yen instead of american money. What I think may have been a dream version of my mom came by and remarked "wow were ritch now". After that I asked a vitimen container if there was some way I hadn't thought of that I could make this happen. It turned into a mini tv and said "please stand by" but right as it began to answer my question I woke up. i might try manifesting money again the next time I'm not in a simulation, hopefully this will be coming my way in the physical in the near future.

poŤme
9th July 2011, 04:08 PM
I asked one piece of furniture what this was all about and a dile appeared that had several words written on it. I only remember one word which is the word "STILL" written in all caps.

I just wrote something about text IN CAPITAL LETTERS in dreams (projection in your case)Funny that the next thread I checked was yours ;)

I'm starting to think that recall of text in capital letters is better since it is more 'visual' or 'graphic', and perhaps we recall visuals and graphics better than text.

I don't know if this is going to be of help, but one thing I've noticed is that I recall better what I read several times, although I won't necessarily remember the text word for word. When I do that, I think I try to translate the text into pictures, feelings and impressions directly in the dream, since I know I remember better pictures and impressions. Could be worth a try next time you see text in your projections? :)

Beekeeper
10th July 2011, 05:53 AM
then got an idea and reached into nearby envelope pulling out some moeny, I di this several times, oddly some of the bills that came out were japanese yen instead of american money. What I think may have been a dream version of my mom came by and remarked "wow were ritch now". After that I asked a vitimen container if there was some way I hadn't thought of that I could make this happen. It turned into a mini tv and said "please stand by" but right as it began to answer my question I woke up. i might try manifesting money again the next time I'm not in a simulation, hopefully this will be coming my way in the physical in the near future.

Maybe there are a bunch of clues here for how you can make some money.

defectron
12th July 2011, 04:44 AM
I just wrote something about text IN CAPITAL LETTERS in dreams (projection in your case)Funny that the next thread I checked was yours ;)

I'm starting to think that recall of text in capital letters is better since it is more 'visual' or 'graphic', and perhaps we recall visuals and graphics better than text.

I don't know if this is going to be of help, but one thing I've noticed is that I recall better what I read several times, although I won't necessarily remember the text word for word. When I do that, I think I try to translate the text into pictures, feelings and impressions directly in the dream, since I know I remember better pictures and impressions. Could be worth a try next time you see text in your projections? :)


Yeah I'll have to see if I can do that, sounds like it could be an interesting thing to try.

Anyway as for there being clues about money, it could be possible, though I'm not sure how japanese yen could factor in, might also just be thought imagery since some of the stuff I'll be printing in one of my endeavors is assciated with japan.

Though speaking of this a shaman journey I did this weekend told me to sell my shares today , but I kinda missed the boat as I shouldve sold them in the morning but didn't do it til the afternoon, had I done it in the morning I wouldve made a couple hundred dollars more before the market fell though it looks like I still made some profit off it.

But yeah I had two projections this morning

The first one was short, the only thing memorable about that one was it took alot more effort then usual to pull myself out of my body. I also felt a bit heavier then usual when hitting the floor, almost physical. That one kindof ended after that. The next one was alot more interesting.

When I came out I went intot he hallway and saw a tall asian looking tree growing in the middle of the room below, almost looked like some kind of giant bonsai. I jumped down, as soon as I touched the floor the room changed as grass replaced the carpet, I began to go over to the tree to talk to it, but the projection ended before I could.

defectron
16th July 2011, 01:03 AM
Just an update on a past projection, in the projection where I tried getting info on improving my financial situation and received the clue "lowloan" I believe I know what this clue is all about and how I'll get things working alot better. I'll post updates on this situation as it goes along.

defectron
18th July 2011, 01:20 PM
had a new projection today

I rolled out and landed on top of a magnet which hurt, I really do have magnets by the side of my bed, but they were in a slightly different place here. When I went downstairs, the place changed to be kind of like my old house. One thing I noticed in alot of my recent projections is that I've been popping into a place that looks like my old house rather then the current one, I have no idea why this is, the next time it happens I should try to find out why. I then went out into the backyard to find three people and a rock with a face chiseled into it talking in a circle. The rocks face looked like the face of boom boom mountain from adventure time as seen below but smiling

http://adventuretimewithfinnandjake.wikia.com/wiki/Boom_Boom_Mountain

I went over and asked them what was with the rock, one guy explained that it wasn't really a rock I was seeing but a principle. He also said something about flat aspect ratio which is a filming term, this most likely was symbolic of something else.

http://www.dvdactive.com/editorial/articles/aspect-ratios-explained-part-one.html

Anyway when they figured out I was interested in their conversation he asked me how much money I had, I figured this must be symbolic of something so I asked "can you tell how much I have?" after that the projection ended.

defectron
20th July 2011, 02:46 PM
Had some new projections today, I only remember the first one though.

I remember with some difficulty I sat up into some room in the astral. I immediatly noticed a smiling man standing over me who had a huge head, his head was shaped like a light bulb, his face being on the lower portion of it. I immeditaly knew this guy was one of my guides, I asked him if it was ok to ask him some questions. His response was "Not yet." I then went over and touched the side of his head, it felt like it was made of plastic covered in carpeting even though it looked real. After that I went back but I seem to recall that I came out again, I don't remember much of anything from the second time though.

Beekeeper
21st July 2011, 10:05 AM
Defectron, I was wondering if you ever felt like you came from another place, like another planet, before you incarnated here? This is what makes me ask http://www.kurtleland.com/astral-projection-log/2005/107-emissaries-from-other-realities-upper-mental-plane-causal-body

defectron
21st July 2011, 03:31 PM
That is certainly possible as when growing up I had more trouble adjusting to things then most other people had, so that could be why. There was also the vision of the alien world. Though I don't want to jump to any conclusions about that sort of thing before I get something more to go off of.

defectron
23rd July 2011, 01:27 PM
Had a pretty interesting projection today

I came out and went over to the room anomaly, it was a closet again, I think I know what it is I gotta work through though.

Anyway I then went outside and decided to try focusing on a person again to see if I could go to them. This time instead of doing that with my freind I tried to focus on the paranormal author Nick Redfern. I hovered intot he air, this time I floated up about 2-3 times higher then when I usually try this trick and shot off. I then turned myself around so I could see where I was going and crashed into some place that looked like a salon. I blacked out for a moment and when I came to I was in a place that looked like some sort of midieaval castle. The place was quite lucid looking almost like the physical world. I had been half expecting to see Nick in the realtime zone since he should be awake by now given that I think he lives in britain but it looks like this wasn't the case. I forget how I ran into him, but we began talking about paranormal stuff. Somehow we got on the subject of the "Cormons" which is the name that the witch he encounters in his book "three men hunting monsters" uses to call the entities that haunt the earth. I mention that one of my goals is to find out how the cormons work and to replicate their abilities, since I think that the abilities demonstrated by these beings (exterting direct influence over physical reality) is something humans can do too. Nick then went off on a tagent saying that long ago his father was killed by a supernatuarl beast called the "Krem", after that it becomes a little bit fuzzy what happened, but I think Nick kind of freaked out, me and some woman I didn't recognize both helped him out of the stone castle and he seemed to calm down after that. After this the projection ended.

I think its unlikely Nicks story happened in the physical world as he no doubt would have written about something crazy like that in his books. There's a couple possibilities here

1. This wasn't actually nick
2. I met his dream self, sometimes ones mind doesn't work right in a dream and this could be an example of that happening to him
3. The most unlikely possibility is it really did happen to him and he has some secret reason never to bring it up
4. This was a version of him from a parralell world where things played out differently

I looked up the word Krem but it doesn't seem to refer to anything special.

defectron
27th July 2011, 03:12 AM
Today I came out and went downstairs. I had an idea to try to visit my past self to see if I could influence myself into doing anything differently and if so to se eif it would change anything. Howver when I tried making the jump nothing happened. Either I was being blocked or I needed to be in a higher body then the astral to do it.

Anyone know if time traveling can be done in the regular astral body, or do you need access tot he mental body to pull that off?

Anyway that projection pretty much ended there, i kinda recall coming out again but dont remember what happened with that.

greytraveller
28th July 2011, 07:16 PM
Hallo Defectron
I believe that I have had some type of time travel OBE in the astral/etheric body. See my journal here for the OBE titled "Magickal History Book". It is on page 3 btw. Now whether I travelled back in time in this universe, or visited another parallel universe or was in a BST, well that is something that I am unable to answer.
My (educated) guess is that time travel is much more likely in either an alternate/parallel universe or especially in a BST. Something about the "Grandfather Paradox" has always resonated true with me. Yet just about anything is possible.

Regards
Grey

defectron
29th July 2011, 01:25 PM
My theory is that it might be possible to overwrite a current reality using astral time travel. I wanted to test that out by talking to my past self in a dream and telling him to move something from my room and put it in another room. But for whatever reason I wasn't able to get there.

Anyway I had two projections today, the first was short and not very memorable. In the next one I came out and went to check on the room anomaly which was a closet again. I then jumped downstairs and was about to head outside to go try to do something. But then I stopped and asked a digital clock what was going on with the simulation. It uttered some unintelligable word and then displayed three words on its screen. The first word I don't remember, the second word was "lite" and the third word was "resume" I think the resume part may have meant for me to go back out and try what I was about to do, but the projection ended after that.

defectron
3rd August 2011, 01:41 PM
Today I had at least 6 AP's, maybe more

Anyway in my first projection I came out blind but had no problem finding my way around. I checked the room anomaly which had a bunch of blankets and other stuff in it. I then went downstairs and asked various things the purpose of the simulation. I got the feeling I wasn't supposed to ask this right now though. So I went outside and tried jumping to wherever the simulation was, but went back to my body before I got there. I came back out but this time tried to go see an old freind I hadn't seen in awhile. I once again got intereupted mid jump and came back. This happened a number of different times as I tried to go to a number of different places. The last place I tried to go was my physical room, I touched down in a place that looked like my room, but on closer examination this was clearly another astral duplicate. I then knocked a bunch of stuff over for some reason and came out. I noticed some astral versions of my parent and asked them why I couldn't go anywhere. The astral version of my step dad then said I had to stay here and then made some dog noises. I tried to ask why but then went back to my body. I shouldve asked what I was supposed to do over here but didn't think to do so at the time. Next time I come out I'll have to find them and ask what it is I'm supposed to do.

defectron
4th August 2011, 04:48 PM
This might relate to the toher days incident, I was half asleep but then I heard what sounded like a girl making dog noises in my ear.

Korpo
5th August 2011, 01:02 PM
I checked the room anomaly which had a bunch of blankets and other stuff in it

Maybe something else needed to be un-cover-ed first.

defectron
9th August 2011, 02:27 PM
Had a really amazing projection today Actually multiple projections

I came in and out a number of times, I don't remember exactly how many, most were kind of short. Oddly in many of these my body felt alot less tangible then usual.


Anyway in one of the first ones I went over to the room anomaly and took korpos suggestion to look under the blankets. Oddly what was under them was a blue bra. Here's what dream moods had to say about bras

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=bra

Anyway I continued popping an and out of my body at some point I ran into the two guides who looked like my parents. I asked them what the deal was with this simulation, I can't remember what they said it was though now. After that I asked if it was ok for me to go out. The guide who looked like my mom said she was worried that I would get into trouble if I did. I said I wouldn't so she relented and said it would be ok if they went along. Anyway I popped back into my body but then came out again. I then found the guide who looked like my mom in another room. I asked her why she was worried about me getting into trouble. In response she said something that seems odd now but didn't particularly at the time. She said that the first time I saw her I got scared and ran away. I don't ever remember this happening though. An odd paralell is that in one of my early projections some children saw me flying, got scared and ran away. Anyway I skipped over that and began to ask her some questions. I asked her if she had ever been by area fifty one. She said she hadn't and didn't really plan to and that today we would only be going to a "restaurant" I doubt she meant a restaurant literally, I wonder what that could symbolize. I then asked about shape shifting in the physical mentioning that the other guide who looked like my step dad didn't know how to do this and if she knew how. She said she did but wondered why I wanted to know. I then said it was one of the reasons why I came here in the first place. She then began to tell a very interesting story. As she did so she transformed into a cat with multicolored eyes and continued her story speaking with her mind. She said that during the 17th century, she wasn't human, she was a cat and had been in a situation where she had to learn shape shifting. I forget most of her story though. I remember that at some point I went back to my body but then came back out, after doing so she continued her story, she had changed into a very attractive woman wearing a bathrobe. I forget why but she began to sing that song "don't tell mama" from cabaret after finishing her story while dancing with me. We both then landed on the bed as she straddled over me. I ran my hands over her slipping them inside her robe, I'd never touched breasts that big and perfect before. She then took off her robe and we had sex. That was the last part of the projection I remember.

So yeah this was a very unusual projection, I wish I remembered more of my guides story and also what the simulation was about. Hopefully in a future projection we'll be able to go to wherever it was she was planning to take me.

defectron
11th August 2011, 04:08 PM
Had another one today

After I came out I looked for my guides but they weren't around. I then tried asking a plant what this was all about, but when I touched it, the plant withered and died. I tried touching a few others and the same thing happened. I have a feeling this is a clue, maybe a warning about something. Anyway I then noticed my tortois sitting on the floor, I didn't want to touch him with my bare hands given what happened tot he plants so I got a cardboard box and put him inside it. I then went outside and noticed some garbage men across the street taking away some garbage. I went over and asked them what was going on. The garbage man who was initially very tall came down to normal size and began talking about serving in the "lake wars" and the "Z wars" I have no idea what he was talking about but the projection ended there.

Korpo
11th August 2011, 04:29 PM
Seems like you had a "bad touch," harmful to your growth (plants). The garbage man was probably a dream character hint to the need of taking the spiritual trash out - doing some auric cleaning - before proceeding with anything else. Maybe it has to do with some struggle (the wars referenced).

defectron
19th August 2011, 03:22 PM
Maybe it has to do with some struggle (the wars referenced).

I'm currently trying to start my own business so maybe its that?

I had a brief projection the other day, came out and checked on the room anomaly, oddly there were two room anomalys this time, each one was a bedroom.

defectron
20th August 2011, 04:04 PM
I had two projections today. In the first one my memory is a bit choppy, I don't remember how exactly I came out but I went back up to my room and I recall I saw something kind of interesting there, unfortunately I don't remember what.

My next projection I think might be my second encounter with a neg. It actually started in a dream, I dreampt that I was walking down a street in a city I had just moved to in my bare feet. I then felt two strong hands grab me from behind pulling me backwards. Next I knew it was pinning my astral body on top of my bed. It was a cloudy egg yellow cloudy form with barely descernable eyes. But I resisted pushing back on it and crushing its arms fore arms in my grip. When it realized this wasn't working it seemed to try to get off me , but before it could I pulled down on one of its arms and began biting it even as it was struggling to run off. I was mad it tried to take advantage of me and I wasn't going to let it just run away like that. It tasted kind of bitter or sour and sulfory, just how it looked. After that I did a technique for pulling in energy from the universe and sort of making an astral barrier, the negs form got less coherent against the barrier sort of turning into a yellow haze as I pushed it out of the room. After that I woke up.

Beekeeper
22nd August 2011, 08:52 AM
It's possible you were fighting a self created thought form, since it began as a dream.

defectron
25th August 2011, 04:23 PM
Yeah it could be, can't really say for sure.

I had two more today

In the first one I came out and wnet into the hallway, the first thing I noticed was a black dog standing in front of me. I had a feeling this dog may have been an enemy so I got ready for a fight but it ran away immediatly when this happened. I had one other projection in the past involing a black dog where I saw a taxidermified black dog in the room anomaly.

I then had another that started as a very realistic dream, I looked out the window and saw the top of a tree get blown off by a gust of wind, but it just seemed to hover around the base. This made me suspect it was a dream so I tried phasing my finger through the wall and it worked. After that I came out and emerged into a hallway that lead to a new room, it was very lucid. Inside the room were a number of objects that seemed to be sort of emerging from the tops of each other. For example there was a potted tree and another identical tree was growing up out of its branchs, there was also apillar on top of another pillar and something else like that. Not sure what the signifigance could be here but went back before I could ask.

defectron
2nd September 2011, 06:44 PM
Had another one the other day

When I came out I went over tot he door, oddly some things were on the floor , some of these were some scholastic awards. For some reason I thought this meant I needed to go back to what I learned in school , though later I figured these must be referring to the simulation. I then checked the room anomaly , there were some dinosaur toys inside, I tried to talk to them but didn't get much response. I then spotted the guide who looked like my mom, oddly she had no arms today. I went after her and asked if my interpretation of what this simulation was about was correct. She then said the simulation had several different meanings behind it. I then began to ask in more detail about its meaning but it ended right as I was doing that.

defectron
4th September 2011, 03:16 PM
I had another one today, I don't remember how I got there but my guide was showing me some tarot cards and each card had something on it that I needed to look into more or work on or something. The first one had to do with preying, I forget the specifics of what she said regarding it though. The next one had to do with some kind of like monster that had an incomprehensible name that at the time I tried very hard to remember but can't now. She said I needed to find proof that it was there, a very odd thing to say since usually in the astral experiences actively looking for proof of something tends to be a hinderence, I'm guessing the lake monster is symbolic for osomething else. I forget the third card, but when we got to the fourth my vision went out and I could tell I would be waking up soon but I could still hear her. I asked what was on the fourth card her response was "everything", after that she said something like "looks like it's time to go bye." and that was the end of that. I also have memories of going under a co-workers desk at work though from what I remember that must have been an astral environment that just kind of looked like work, not sure the signifigance there.

defectron
5th September 2011, 02:50 PM
Had another interesting projection today.

I rolled out and went over tot he door beofre noticing my mom and step dad doing something outside the door. This is one of the few times I had and doubts about being in the astral because it al felt really physical and the parts I could see looked normal though on closer inspection some things were off, also I could interact with the environment. One thing I tried to do to test whether this was the astral or not was phasing through objects and I had more difficulty doing that then usual here for some reason. Anyway once I was convinced this was the astral I went over to my mom and step dad and asked them something assuming they were my guides, but the indevidual who looked like my mom said she wasn't my guide. I then noticed what apeared to be a cup of Ramen on a nearby table, floating inside it were tiny human bones and sea shells. I then asked her who she was and why she was there and her response was "That's the horrifying thing, I don't know." before I could ask anymore that projection ended.

Prior to this I also had an odd dream about some guy and some girl getting fused together in a weird machine, to get them unfused some robot would keep tossing them across the room and each time they turned into different people who most of the time were still fused. The last time they turned into three girls who were finnally knocked apart from each other. I don't know if that dream may offer any clues to the nature of the projection.

Korpo
5th September 2011, 03:43 PM
Maybe you need more calcium in your diet. Do you eat well or more of the junk food variety?

defectron
7th September 2011, 03:40 PM
I don't think that's the case, I think my diet is decent enough and I also take calcium supplements so I doubt I'd be depleted. So I think that was most likely referencing something else.

Anyway I had a couple more this morning. In the first one I came out and checked for the room anomaly but it was gone, there was a cabinet that was not usually there so I looked inside, this parts a bit fuzzy but I think some mugs were in there. I then went over tot he stairs and jumped down. Upon impact I sort of shrunk down into the rug (which isn't there in the physical) and then before I could come back out went back to my body. Later I had a lucid dream where I was going around bending everything in the house for some reason using dream powers. I stuck around doing this for awhile before finnally coming back out. I then found the guide who looks like my mom in the kitchen. I forget what exactly I asked her but she said I had to find something in the room "901" of the building I work one of my jobs in and showed me a paper with four squares on it. That room doesn't exist in the physical. Before I could ask more about this I went back.

So based on this and the projection with the tarot cards I think its clear I need to find something, but whatever it is has been lost in translation it seems.

defectron
14th September 2011, 04:15 AM
I had another projection a couple days ago

I came out and went over to check the room anomaly first, inside the walls had a bunch of stickers on it, some had things written on it but I forget what it was. anyway I went downstairs and tried talking to some objects without much result, after that I called my guides, i sensed them coming but then went back. I came back out again and found my guides in my parents room, oddly the one who appeared to be my mom wasnt there and instead some other woman was. The one with my step dads appearance was still present though. We breifly disscussed what problems I have and then I asked if it would be ok to go out. He said it was so I did. When I went out I saw a lake outside the house oddly enough. I then focused on my freind and decided to try going into his dreams again. I shot across the landscape going by alot of strange houses some of which appeared to be made using 3d CG with equally weird people wandering aorund outside them. I then collided with a large tree and it went black as my vision came to I saw I was in some branches but after that I woke up. Later I told this to my friend and he said he dreampt that people were living in trees in greenland because of global warming.

defectron
18th September 2011, 05:08 PM
I had a few short projections the other day. In the first one I came out and checked the room anomaly. There were some pieces of plywood leaning on the wall and a box full of stuff in the center of the room, I got pulled back before I could see what was in the box. The next time I came out I checked to make sure that there was nothing left of the astral parasite I mentioned in the neg forum. It seemed to be completely gone. but one thing does concern me.

At another point in the night I forget if this was before or after the projections I had an odd dream, in the dream I was walking through town with a freind, I then noticed some weird guy with a hairy chest start running towards my freind, before I could properly react to this some unseen assailant came in behind me and attempted to strangle me with a cord, before I could see who was doing this or try to fight them off I woke up. Whats worrying is the cord the assailant used felt the same as the astral parasites tendrils did. Another thing that may or may not be an issue is since then I have had two dreams where I tried to test if they were dreams and failed to do so correctly. This never happened int he past, could it have done something to mess with my perceptions? The parasite tried to attach to my throat and heart chakras, would either of those relate to being able to perceive dreams correctly? If not maybe its just coincidence, but I thought it would be worth asking about.

Korpo
18th September 2011, 08:38 PM
The role of nightmares is often to release fears that bind us. Maybe that was even symbolised in the cord. Somebody attacking you cannot see could be "anonymous terror." I had dreams with murderers on the loose in the past but little reason to suspect I was under psychic attack then.

I haven't read your other experience, I just wanted to say our fears can take form in the astral, and we can even actively struggle with what are actually emanations of our own subconscious. Kurt calls these critters "Creatures" because we play a role in creating them. They are essentially thought/feeling forms. Monroe struggled with one in the astral that took the form of an astraŲ hitchhiker clinging to his back.

defectron
20th September 2011, 04:34 PM
The role of nightmares is often to release fears that bind us. Maybe that was even symbolised in the cord. Somebody attacking you cannot see could be "anonymous terror." I had dreams with murderers on the loose in the past but little reason to suspect I was under psychic attack then.


If that's the case I suspect that might symbolise something related to taxes, I'm trying to start a new busieness and one of my worries is that something tax related will end up taking me by surprise since I'm not really all that familiar with legal matters.

Anyway I had a new experience tonight. I'm not entirely sure how this began, the last I remembered was a dream that involved giant monsters and weird ghosts going around attacking a city. But somehow this transitioned to a white room in the astral where I was talking with some old man, I'm still not sure how I got here as that part of my memory is gone. But we had an interesting conversation. The old man said something about how the ruling class is ruining our world. And I was like "yeah their jacking it up pretty bad" I also thought to myself "with a bit of help" since I'm of the opinion that the ruling class is cooporating with negative entitys either knowingly or unkowingly. The old man seemed to be able to read my thoughts as he said "with the help of others the world could be destroyed altogether" I'm not sure what motive the negative entities would have for doing that though, the only thing I can think of is it would cause a massive release of energy they could feed off of. The only issue is after that theyed have to move onto another source which I imagine wouldn't be that convenient. Anyway the old man then went on and said "Do you remember what I said about 9/11?" I didn't which is ironic since everyone always says never to forget 9/11. He then went on to say "9/11 was one mans reaction." I asked in response "A reaction to what?" the last thing I heard before waking up was "utopia". My guess is that means 9/11 was part of a plot to set humanity on the wrong course of development.

Korpo
21st September 2011, 07:49 PM
Maybe finding a tax accountant would put those specific worries to rest.

I wouldn't trust the information you got in your latest experience. I don't think negative entities as such have much influence on the world from the other side. One needs to be careful to discern cause from effect as they're rather more attracted to negative energies like moths to light. Just because clairvoyants can see negs doesn't mean they're the cause of what they're seeing or even actually truly independent consciousnesses. Clairvoyant information is best taken with a double dose of skepticism, especially if it makes bold statements about the larger state of the world.

defectron
1st October 2011, 06:22 PM
Well I never completely trust what an entity says regardless of how trustworthy it seems. Though I would disagree about entitys not having alot of influence. It may be true of most of the weak entities , but there are many different types of entities, some seem to know how to "possess" humans for example, not that I'm implying that this is whats happening with world leaders, personally I think whether or not they are influenced by entities for the most part they are doing things of their own volition. And of course there are stronger entities that are able to break into our physical reality and manifest as things like ufo's monsters and other interesting things like that. So I wouldn't say at all that entities have no influence in the physical world. The one thing I am most skeptical about in that particular expereince was the statement about the world ending, personally I think this is another case of something being lost in translation. What it may have been referring to is something like the world as we know it changing, maybe something like this http://www.unknowncountry.com/journal/my-greatest-fear


Anyway I had a new projection today. I remember sitting up in bed and looking across the room to see a giant green waste basket, sitting on top of it were several giant notebooks too big to fit inside and at least one box. I went over and looked in the notebooks, one was a school notebook from college, the next was a notebook documenting some of my ideas for making money and the third had drawings in it from a tv show I've been watching. The box had cards that had random imagery in them, I took one card with a picture of a garage on it and walked into the hallway. My parents bedroom had been replaced by a public restroom for some reason and a man who looked like a maintenence worker walked out. I asked him what the garage card meant hoping he would explain whatever symbolism was there. He said that the garage was the place where the card had been manufactured. Not satisfied with that explanation I walked into the bathroom and saw someone who looked like my dead father. I asked him if he could tell me what the card meant, he said no and the projection ended after that.

defectron
25th October 2011, 05:41 AM
Had a bit of a projection dry spell, possibly because I ran out of choline and galantamine, though I ordered more. The other day I did have a short projection though. I came out and went to the room anomaly. For some reason a scarf was hung on the door. Inside the room was random closet things. I woke up after that.

defectron
2nd November 2011, 04:33 PM
Not really sure if this counts as a projection, but its a dream with paranormal aspects.

Before I begin I think I will start by mentioning some things that lead up to this. Me and a couple freinds were planning to go to omer plains on halloween to investigate some phantom wolves in the area. Anyway all three of us had a dream telling us not to go, in my case the guide figure who was my mom said this directly. So in the end we did not go, though I still plan to at some point in the future when I am better prepared. Though we didn't go we have continued to have odd dreams associated with this.

What we did do on haloween was attend a special event at the occult bookstore in chicago where a bunch of solomonic entities got summoned, and we would try meditatating int he triangles where the entities were. It was a very interesting experience, you could really feel the cold spots and the tingly energy where the entities were and if you try hard enough you could get a feel for the differences between the energy too, for example one entity associated with the sun felt warm, while the moon entity felt cool like water.

But anyway we talked to the guy who ran the occult bookstore and he seemed to think what may have occurred was a psychic attack of some sort.

Later that night I had a dream that we came back tot he occult bookstore where I may have met the entity responsible or at least a thought form associated with this. In the dream I was in the book store with my freind again and he was about to look in a cabinet but the shop keeper told him to stay away from it. The shop keeper was different in the dream, in the physical he looks sort of like an african shaman sort, but in the dream it was sort of like a white version of his physical counterpart. I went over and looked inside, inside were a number of dvd's vhs tapes and video games, my guess is all this was symbolic of information. Oddly I noticed a pirated disk of final fantasy IV that seemed to have a big bite taken out of it. Anyway a bit later my freind asked him why he didn't want him to look in there and he said "you shouldn't go in there, it'll be more fun for you to stay in the physical" as he said this his eyes morphed to resemble those of a snake, just like the eyes of the first neg that I encountered. He also said something about an astral crab following me. Anyway personally I don't trust this guy for a number of reasons, I think he might be an entity or thought form associated with what has been going on. I am also reminded of this

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?12930-Trapping-and-Killing-Negs&p=104368#post104368

So if this is indeed a psychic attack I'm wondering where it originated from?

Anyway I had a short projection this morning, this one is unique in that my mind stayed awake from my waking moment to when I go to sleep, usually this doesn't happen. Anyway I began pulling myself out of my body, grabbing onto the edge of the bed, I was blind and couldn't see at the moment, but I felt a small hand with soft skin, it was the hand of a child. I reached out with my other hand and touched this indeviduals face and he pulled away (I kind of get the feeling it was a boy) after that I woke up. The feeling I get is that the child entity whoever it was was freindly , though I have no idea what he was doing by the side of my bed.

CFTraveler
2nd November 2011, 10:10 PM
Were you there when the entities were summoned? And was this an evocation?

defectron
3rd November 2011, 12:20 AM
I came in right after they were summoned. Prior to that I was just wandering around chicago with my friend since they wouldn't let us into the shop until after they had finished what they were doing.

CFTraveler
3rd November 2011, 02:28 AM
Ok. Just wondered.

defectron
4th November 2011, 02:44 PM
I had a pretty interesting projection today.

Today I came out of a dream, pulled myself out and went to the room anomaly. Inside of the room was a bedroom of what looked to be a japanese girl. There was a big hello kittly plush on the floor and other similer items. I went about and asked a couple objects what this was about with no response. I passed a mirror and noticed my reflection was also that of a japanese girl, though I still had my normal form outside the mirror. Oddly the bed seemed to be mostly encased in wood, I don't know what that was.. I then went over and called my guide who showed up, the really weird part is I don't remember what my guide looked like this time. Most the rest of this is pretty vivid but its like that detail got scratched out. Anyway I asked my guide what the deal was with all this and he/she said I should have at least three pictures in my bedroom of science, my guesses are he/she means knowledge or the truth or something like that if you go by the meaning of the word. Though I'm not sure why that's important, maybe its a affirmation of what I'm trying to find? Though I wasn't quite enough of an explanation for this odd room. I asked "But this is a japanese girls room, what the deal with that?" My guide then acted a bit confused and dodged the question by jumping into a tv set that was playing an episode of the cartoon "fairly odd parents" I never did like that cartoon. At this point my clarity of what was going on seemed to drop as two individuals appearing to be my parents came in and asked me what was going on, looking back on this these were either dream figures or some sort of guides, but at the time my clarity had dropped and I forgot I was in a projection thinking they were my real parents so I tried to get them to go away so that I could continue talking to the guide who had jumped into the tv, unfortunately it all ended there.

defectron
13th November 2011, 06:20 AM
I had a short projection the other day, came out blind and went over to the anomaly, it was a closet this time. Another door was next to it but I had a feeling if I tried to open it I would wake up and I did.

defectron
13th November 2011, 10:30 PM
I had an interesting projection this morning

A bit before this I had a very realistic dream in which I saw a weird craft in the sky, it was square in shape and I thought to myself "this must be a dream" I kind of get the feeling the craft and also things like the giant unamog in that other dream are deliberate attempts to tip me off that I'm dreaming, hopefully I'll continue to recognize these over time. Biuit anyway I was unable to project off that dream because I woke up. I then went back to sleep, this time I did manage to project. I rolled out blind and maneuvered my way downstairs. I called out to see if anyone was around but no one answered. I had a feeling I needed to go back over to the room anomaly so I did. Like last time there were a couple doors, I went and looked inside the one I had been unable to open. Like the incident with the astral version of the occult bookstore it was full of tapes, hard drives and CD's most likely symbolic of information. I tried very hard to memorize what was written on all of these but regretfully all of the titles and writing has been forgotten. Anyway I then became aware I wasn't the only one in the room, a small dog was watching me. It looked like a strange mostly hairless chihuahua, save for a tuft of white hair atop its head. I tried to talk to it, but it didn't answer, I then focused on it trying to figure out its purpose, as I did so a beam of light shot out of my third eye chakra shinging on it, not unlike one of my early projections where I used a beam of light that shot from my heart chakra to navigate some darkened rooms. Anyway when the beam of light hit it, the little dog back away and the strange eye became even stranger, half its face seemed to sort of melt and the eye expanded, moving to the top of its head. I then got the feeling that the dog was not a freind and that it was some sort of neg. I went over to the door and shut it so it wouldn't get away. I then reached my hand out, trying to summon a fire extinguisher on the wall , but it wouldn't come. So I walked over and took it off the wall before shooting the small dog creature with it. White smoke shot out freezing it, after that it sort of evaporated and the projection ended.

I kind of get the feeling this projection may be related to the occult bookstore projection, both involved attempting to get information and both had an obstical with strange eyes, though the dog seems to be quite a bit weaker then the shop keeper was which is good.

defectron
14th November 2011, 05:06 PM
I had another projection today. Today I was in a dream and had a bit of trouble coming out. So instead of my usual method I tried actively willing my conciousness back to my body first. It's been ahwhile since I did it this way. But anyway I felt myself falling through tingly darkness until I hit it. I then came back out and wandered over to a bedroom where my two guides were doing something on a bed. Beside them was a terrarium with a black and green snake inside it. Anyway they told me I needed to try harder with finding a job and trying to get my new busness to do better too. It was interesting because my conciousness was alot clearer in this, almost like the waking world where it usually is a bit more muddled like in a dream. Anyway a really little girl walked into the room, the female guide remarked that the little girls name is Dora. She then sang the Dora the explorer theme song as she picked her up. I then asked the male guide what the deal with the snake in the terrarium was and he said something I have trouble understanding. After that the projection ended.

defectron
15th November 2011, 05:59 PM
I had at least one projection today, I kind of vaguely recall another but can't remember it very well.

In what I can remember of the first I fell out of bed and seemed to have almost as much mass as the physical, but can't remember much else aside from that.

In the next one I came out blind and went downstairs. By then my site had come back on and I was about to go by the room anomaly but had a feeling I would wake up if I did that. I tried asking what to do but nothing answered. It was then I got an idea it had been a very long time since I had tried to visit the akashic record, so I decided to give it another try. I went outside and focused on going to the record, as usual when I do this I shot off heading in some random direction, entering some woods. Oddly as soon as I did this the entire thing took on a blue tinge, much like that one projection where I went to the alien planet. But unfortuntely it got stopped before I could get anywhere presumably by the simulation entities. It does make me wonder though if I could have gotten there if I hadn't been stopped.

defectron
18th November 2011, 09:18 PM
Today I had a number of projections

In the first I went to the room anomaly which was a closet then later I was walking with my guide next to a swimming pool. I asked why it was that I canít seem to ever project to the physical when a lot of other people go there first before even going to the astral. I seem to recall he sort of dodged the question saying something like ďyou canít go there right nowĒ. Anyway that projection ended then and there. Later I came out again, in this one two new guides showed up. They looked like two really fat men who seemed to want to teach me some sort of self defense. Maybe this was because I was thinking of trying to pay the lower planes a visit since I got a bit curious about them from a post in the forums regarding them. Though later on it seemed that Iím not allowed to go there yet, but Iíll get to that part later. Anyway I was grappling with the two fat guys. They were really strong and had me sandwitched between them so rather then just trying to overpower them I tried generating some fire, but all that seemed to happen was some heat waves came out of my hand rather then an actual fire, this wasnít good enough to get him off me. But then I focused on having these waves condense into a single point like a magnifying glass and this burned a hole through one their arms. I then shape shifted my hand to grow something that looked like a giant stinger from my knuckle impaling the other fellow. After that they both got off me. After that I went back briefly and then came out again. After that astral grappling session with the two fat guys I was feeling somewhat confident so I summoned a bokken Kendo sword and went out the door intent on paying the lower astral a visit. I focused on going there and instead of getting pulled west like when I try to go to the akashic record or simulation areas or north like when I go to a friends dream, I was pulled backwards violently heading east. I passed through whatever was behind me and everything went black. My body felt really tingly and a bit cold, it reminded me of back when I used to have sleep paralysis. For a brief moment I saw a field covered in strange red plants but then the scenery reverted back to normal. It looked like I was in the same neighborhood I had come from. I went over to one of the houses and asked some guy who looked like a house painter what plain this was. He said it was one of the highest astral plains, this meant that the plain that I usually project to is one of the higher astral plains. This honestly surprised me a bit , I mean Iím not really bad so I wouldnít expect to automatically project to one of the lower plains, but I didnít think I was good enough to automatically go to one of the higher ones either. Anyway I headed back and met the fat guide again. I asked him what the deal was , why did I get blocked from visiting the lower plain? He said something about it being an interesting place to visit but I couldnít go there now. This was a bit frustrating, I hardly get to go anywhere. I then said I really didnít care about the lower astral and was just sort of curious about it, Where I really wanted to go was the akashic record and the physical world. At first my guide seemed to be a bit confused when I mentioned the record, after explaining what it was he said he usually calls it by another name and that he had never been there. He also then went on to explain the reason why Iím not usually allowed to travel beyond the usual astral zone I project into is because I need to forgive myself for something that happened in a past life. I really wish they had told me this sooner, but I do wonder what it is. Iíll need to look into this later. Anyway I went back in my body and then came out again later blind. This time another fat guy rushed me, this was a bit more alarming though because this one had four arms and also seemed to be naked. I don't think it was a neg though I think it was another one of those guides meant for teaching self defense, sort of like how in martial arts in a sparring session your partner might do something to take you by surprise. I grabbed him and with great difficulty heaved his massive form above my head before throwing him across the room. And that was where that projection ended. But yes I think next time I will need to find out more about this past life business. I read in a book that sometimes things that happened in past lives may be the roots of some problems people have in their current ones. So I do think this is something that needs some investigating.

greytraveller
20th November 2011, 04:30 AM
Hallo Defectron.
You have some very interesting OBEs/projections.
I too am sometimes curious about the lower planes and think that I have been there a couple of times.
The idea to go to the lower planes armed and prepared for trouble is a GOOD idea. From personal experiences, and from reading about other peoples' experiences there, the inhabitants of the lower planes usually look for and try to exploit the weakness of others, especially non-native (astral) travelers. Most inhabitants there are bullies and will only attack if they perceive their would-be victim to be an easy target. And anyways better to be safe than sorry.

Reagrds
Grey

defectron
20th November 2011, 09:08 PM
Yeah, that was what I was thinking too. I wonder if the place I glimpsed was the lower plain.

Anyway I had some new projections today. The first was sort of an almost projection from a dream. I tried to phase through a wall to get to the astral but it didn't work too well. For some reason I never seem to do well with concrete walls. Anyway I tried going back to my body the regular way but when I came in it woke me up. I then went back to sleep and came out again, this time it looked almost like it was in my regular house. The only differences I notcied is that the time was different and one of the mirrors in the front room looked different then it should have. Also my reflection looked regular which isn't normal for the astral. Anyway I went back again and then came out again later. This time I found two really big sneakers, I picked them up and went to the basement before calling my guide. I heard his voice say he would be there in a moment, it was then a man who looked like Dan Akroyed dressed in a ghost busters uniform entered the room carrying another pair of giant sneakers. I don't know what the deal is with these. But anyway I got straight to the point asking what the deal was with the past life I needed to sort out. I think something got los tin translation here because he said something that didn't make any sense asking "Was your past lives before the philosopher brainiac?" I didn't know what he meant, but then he just touched the top of my head where my crown chakra should be and said "The memories are in here". I think he's saying I need to get a past life regression or something to find out. After that I woke up.

Korpo
21st November 2011, 03:58 PM
Hello, defectron.

Paragraphs, please! Solid blocks of text are so hard to read...

When you were pulled eastward I kind of expected you to end up higher, not lower. What interesting confirmation.

In one experience I turned an airplane westward and landed in a plain, which from above was labelled "The Badlands" (the lower astral realms, most likely). There I encountered an angry mob... :?

defectron
21st November 2011, 04:20 PM
Well it might have to do with impressions. The back of my house is facing east, and I think I might tend to associate things in front of the house with moving forward since that's the direction its facing.

Anyway I had a new projection today. In this one I came out and noticed a chair sitting in the hallway for some reason, the sparring partner guide from my earlier projection was waiting for me in the room downstairs. He seems to have trimmed down on the fat as he was solid muscle this time, towering twenty feet tall.

As I came down the stairs he shrunk down to only about 8 feet tall and I asked him if he knew anyone who could help me remember what I needed to know from the past life. He said "Maybe, but it would probably better if you see a doctor to help with that" presumably he means I should get past life regression. Anyway we went over to the kitchen where I think he was looking for something around the dishwasher. He then said something odd "Don't worry about the snakes Mario I mean Anna". Neither of those are my name, though had I been born a girl I hear that Anna would have been my name. But anyway it ended after that. I guess I'll have to look into past life regression since he said I would be free of travel restrictions once whatever this issue is gets worked out.

defectron
23rd November 2011, 03:21 PM
I had a new projection today

I went downstairs and found the guide who looked like my mom. On december 7th I'm going to do a past life regression and hopefully get these issues ironed out so I can go free. I asked her if she had anything left to teach me before the time came for me to go out in the astral on my own. She said "what your doing is pretty danerous so be careful." and then she went on to say "Sometimes in the past when I called you, you didn't answer, maybe this means you have some self esteem problems. I do recall through my life I have occasionally heard voices calling me. In the past I did have some self esteem issue but I thought I had worked through those, but now that I think of it I do think there might be some left so I should probably try to take care of that. Anyway after that I went outside and went by thegarage, an indevidual who looked like my biological father was there. I don't know if it was really him or another guide who just looked like him. I asked him the same question and he took me through some martial arts katas which I had alot of trouble keeping up with unfortunately, I think this means I should work on self defense some more. If I have any more projections before the regression I'll most likely focus on defense techniques since all my guides seem to be saying that when I do go free finnally I can expect to run into some unsavory characters sooner or later, so it would be best to be ready I think.

defectron
25th November 2011, 03:51 AM
Today I hada short projection, I figured I would practice some astral skills in any projections before I'm let free, so I tried to change my form to that of a wolf. It only partially reverted before I went back to normal though. I wonder why I can almost never change properly.

defectron
27th November 2011, 02:28 AM
I had a new projection today. I'm kind of hesitant to post the details of it given that it involves something personal that I don't really feel comfortable talking to alot of people about, but at the same time I kind of feel like its a story that needs to be told for a number of reasons. So I'm not sure if I want to post it.

But yeah in this projection I met up with my guides to find out the secrets of changing ones form in the astral since this was something that I never really got down. I still don't really have it mastered but after the information they gave me I think I'm closer anyway, hopefully I'll be able to get it down fully in the near future since it'd be handy ability to have once I get free reign of the astral.

Beekeeper
27th November 2011, 04:52 AM
This is something I'd like to accomplish deliberately. I've found myself in numerous different human forms but I've never consciously altered myself. I'd particularly like to try to acquire an animal shape so I can experience reality from that perspective.

defectron
27th November 2011, 06:46 AM
If you want to see something from an animals pov I'm not sure how accurate this would be as the realism level in the astral in relation to the physical seems to be something that fluctuates alot.

But anyway I did a shaman journey just now and the feeling I got while doing that is that I'm supposed to reveal the full details of what happened, and of course there's also that recent projection where my guide said I should have more confidence in areas where I have questionable self esteem which I think also means I should. I still don't really feel like doing so but I don't want to go against something that my guides seem to want me to do so here's what the deal is. Before I start I have something to admit, ever since I was a kid, for unknown reasons I've always felt the need to be the opposite gender. So of course when I did project and had the opportunity to try shape changing, this of course would be something I would sometimes experiment with. Though this isn't the only reason why I try shape changing as I mentioned in the projection prior to this I also try to change into some animal or monster forms sometimes. I think it's kind of important, because I read in Konstantinos book "summoning spirits" that if you change into something like a dragon in the astral most negs won't bother you not to mention in Sun Tsus the art of war one of the battle strategys is to avoid confrontations by appearing more powerful then you are so it was certainly something that I wanted to perfect before going free from the simulations. Anyway when I came out I remembered the other days failed attempt at morphing into a wolf, so I decided to go get some advice from the guides in how to do this right. I went down tot he basement and found them both in it. They were sort of like "You again? What is it?" they seemed a bit annoyed that I came to bother them again before going through the past life regression, but this was an issue I felt needed attention so I asked "How come I usually have trouble changing form in the astral?"

One of the guides went on to explain that if for example if I wanted to change gender as I sometimes attempted to do in the astral I needed to change from masculine to feminine energy, or something like that I don't remember the specifics of what she said very well, but I seem to recall it had something to do with that. So I decided to give what they said a try and it worked, I changed gender and also got blonde hair for some reason, after that I tried to grow a giant scorpion tail, but this didn't work so well, so I think some things still need to get worked out even though I got closer to being able to do this well. But anyway since I changed into a girl I guess my guide gave me some astral beauty tips saying if I pass my fingertips through my hand and concentrating on the nails I could get pretty nails that way. I tried this and it seemed to work, though some of them looked like they were cut a bit unevenly afterwards. And that was pretty much where that ended.

Anyway yeah this is actually something that used to worry me alot as it always seemed like a strange thing to want. I was worried that when I met dead relitives in the astral theyed think I was some kind of a weirdo for having that sort of interest. This was actually one of the early issues I had to work through when first projecting , I was worried that it was wrong that I felt that way and needed to somehow stop feeling the need to be the opposite gender if I wanted to make progress projecting. But this wasn't the case at all. I came to realize that the universe doesn't care if you feel that way and came to accept it as just another aspect of who I was. This though was the first projection where the issue was really openly addressed though. And it feels good to know that its alright to feel that way. Even though it's their job to do so, I have to say I'm really grateful to have such understanding guides. Even though I didn't always agree with their teaching methods I ended up learning alot stuff from them and this time spent before being released to freely astral travel was well spent. Seriously I never wanted to give a non corporeal entity a hug as much as now.

poŤme
27th November 2011, 06:43 PM
I enjoyed reading your post, especially your last paragraph... It seems so heartfelt and rings very true to me also :)

defectron
28th November 2011, 04:03 PM
I had another projection today

When I came out I tried morphing into a wold, I could feel myself beginning to shift but then quickly reverted back to normal. I then decided that I should try something a bit easier so I tried swapping genders again, but try as I might I was unable to duplicate the success of the other day. There have only been three times in my memory of the astral I was able to intentionally make a full body shift to something else, ironically one of those times was a giant praying mantis. I wonder what it was I did differently then that allowed me to do that which I screwed up on the other occasions. Anyway after getting a bit frustrated with my lack of success I decided to go look for my guides again to see if they could run by what they said the other day again since it seemed I might be missing something. I went up to some random fellow coming out of my house and asked him and he took me over to a waiting room where I ran into some guy who looked like a former co-worker. I had a seat in the waiting room and began waiting, I was getting bored so I began to telekinetically knock over a bunch of toys on the other side of the room. I then decided I would try duplicating the trick I did witht he magnefying glass ray coming out of my hand int he sparring projection. Except this time I cupped both of my hands together envisioning a much larger magnefying glass ray coming out but then someone told me not to do that here. I was like "ok" so I sat back down, a bit later I tried to shoot a regular magnifying glass ray out of one hand, but it didn't seem to be working so well. One difference is what I was trying to shoot was on the other side of the room while last time it was only a couple inches away so I wonder if that makes a difference. I got a bit annoyed that it wasn't working so I then tried to focus the energy into a fireball, but then something odd happened. Something that looked like the fireball was beginning to manifest, but I had a feeling it was no longer under my control. Had I accidently birth a thought form? Before I could fully take form I dissapated it. This is the last I remember of this projection.

defectron
4th December 2011, 05:51 PM
Before I get to todays projection, I have a story to tell about the events of yesterday where I went to see a spirit guide communicator.

I went over to the chicago occult bookstore where she had a session where she communicated with guides of various people around the table.

When she got to me she had some interesting thing to say. First of all she mentioned the guides that she saw was a wold, three dogs a cat a fox, a coyote as well as some other sin the background she couldn't see very well. Now in my projections my guides mostly assume human forms, though one guide did reveal that she was actually a cat who learned how to shapeshift in the 17th century. Though one interesting thing is that the guide who looks like my step dad tends to make dog noises whenever I'm doing something wrong, this was something I never put into place until she said this.

But yes anyway we went on to disscuss several issues, mainly my desire to overcome physical reality. My guides are in complete support of this she says, I suspected this may have been the case since not once have they told me what I was trying to do was wrong. Though she said they want me to think about why I want to do that and that I should make more of an effort to teach what I have learned to others which I will try to do. I'll make another topic about that later. My main reason for wanting to do so is that I believe doing so is the next step in human evolution. And she said my guides agreed with that sentiment. Now as we were going over this she said the guides communicated my desire to survive any physical disaster so I could acheieve this goal within this lifetime. This is also true, one concern is the global superstorm whitley strieber mentions in his book the key. I already decided that if this was real I would find some way to overcome it and fullfill my goals. One the reasons I'm motivated to get this going in the near future is because I believe there's a decent possibility this may actually occur within our lifetime.

She then went on to say that while its good I've been doing alot off the physical world, now is the time to bring the heavens to the earth if I am to fullfill this goal. This is also a sentiment I believe in myself lately I've been trying to skry so that I can make contact with entities the occultists konstantinos and E. A koetting go on about in their books so they can teach me their secret techinques. This effort she said is good and that I should keep working on it. She said I need to work on mind, breath and core. For mind I think she meant mental discipline as one thing she mentioned is that when shapeshifting one can sometimes lose themselves if they don't have it. And for breath I'm guessing this is a meditation technique, I think I might know which one in particular as someone at the occult bookstore also gave me information about a meditation class which he said would be useful in developing the "radiant body" which the master of the key goes on about in whitley striebers book. For those who never read it the mystery man known as the master of the key mentions something called a radiant body which gets developed as someone spiritually evolves and must be fully developed to attain the abilities that I am trying to get. Lastly was core, I don't know what she meant by that and plan to do some research on it , if anyone reading this has any ideas feel free to share them.

After this we disscussed several more personal things that have been bugging me, first is why I was told not to investigate omer plains with my freinds on haloween. The answer we got was that overall we just weren't really prepared and that the girl we were bringing with us may havve gotten jacked up by some of the things in that area.

Next I asked about my experience going to the alien planet, she said that time I had split myself into two pieces since my conciousness was one place and my astral body was in another but that according the guides that planet is a physical place. Very interesting, I'll have to make an effort to go back there sometime.

Lastly I asked if I was ready to visit the akashic record, her response was that my guides said I was. So then the real test would come in the next projection, in the past I always got blocked. My guides tell me that once I work past whatever issue is in my past life I can go where I want. So I was holding off on trying to project until the regression since I figured it would be wasteful of my supplements if I used them to project a bunch of times before I was allowed to go to the interesting places. but if what she said was true maybe the mere intention of resoving this problem in the near future was enough to get me permission? I couldn't deny she was right about alot of other things. So I figured it would be worth a try.

So anyway I came out to day and went over to the room but before I could try to find the door I got buried in a bunch of clothes. I came out again later and gave it another try, I got in the door this time but where I ended up didn't look like the akashic record, it was some ladys house somewhere. I kind of wandered through this odd house for awhile before going back to my body. Well at least it appeared my travel in the regular astral plain might have some of its restrictions removed in the past when they were on all the way I just wouldve ended up in a closet. But anyway I came out again and tried going to the akashic record using another method which was going outside and willing myself to the place I was trying to go. I shot off heading to the west, but like last time I just crashed and ended up in my bed again. After that I went downstairs and asked my guides "Whats the deal? Was the guide interpreter wrong?" they didn't answer that question but they did say that they would be willing to take me tot he record. So we went outside and we were about to get into a car to go there and I asked what the deal was with why I couldn't just go on my own. My guide gestured to some dark clouds off in the distance that seemed to have laughing faces on them and said "it's because of the madness and the m(something else that starts with m, either manners or monsters)" I was about to ask what she meant when I went back to my body. So was the guide interpreter wrong? While I couldn't go on my own my guides seemed perfectly willing to take me there so I'm not sure if she was right or not. Now the question is if whatever those clouds symbolized relates to whatever this past life issue is. I've gotta say if I work out this past life stuff and it turns out there's something else I need to work through even though I was promised I could go out after dealing with whatever this past life business is I'm going to be a little annoyed. So hopefully once I do the regression I'll be able to solve whatever this problem is and there won't be anything else I need to deal with. I also seem to recall attempting to go to the physical plain at some point but I don't remember very well how that went.

defectron
5th December 2011, 05:03 AM
Today I thought a long time about why it was that it appears I can't go tot he akashic record even though my guides seem to have no problem with me going there. And then it hit me, its not my guides or the simulations or anything that's stopping me, something else is doing it. And I think I have come up with a reasonable theory as to what. I think it may be a self imposed barrier placed there by my past self either intentionally or unintentionally for who knows what reason. When I mean self imposed barrier I'm talking a similar concept to the self imposed barriers people put up that block their psychic abilities or make it so they can't interact with paranormal entities , the same sort of concept but on a smaller scale. So hopefully I'll find out why this is there when I get the regression and then I'll be able to tear it down!

Beekeeper
5th December 2011, 09:30 AM
Have you researched the topic? Perhaps you need to be patient until you're sufficiently developed.

defectron
5th December 2011, 05:38 PM
Well based on what the guide interpreter said I am developed enough to go there, because I specifically asked if I was ready to visit the records yet as one of my questions. Also based on the actions of my guides in the most recent projection, I don't think they are the ones keeping me from it. Using the process of elimination the only possibilities left are that either I am inhibiting myself from going in some strange way which I believe to be the case or some third party is preventing me from doing so, personally I find the last possibility to be a bit unlikely. My guides did say I would be able to go where I wanted after I find out what the deal is with that past life stuff, so I think that may be the key to removing this block.

CFTraveler
5th December 2011, 11:45 PM
Today I thought a long time about why it was that it appears I can't go tot he akashic record even though my guides seem to have no problem with me going there. And then it hit me, its not my guides or the simulations or anything that's stopping me, something else is doing it. And I think I have come up with a reasonable theory as to what. I think it may be a self imposed barrier placed there by my past self either intentionally or unintentionally for who knows what reason. When I mean self imposed barrier I'm talking a similar concept to the self imposed barriers people put up that block their psychic abilities or make it so they can't interact with paranormal entities , the same sort of concept but on a smaller scale. So hopefully I'll find out why this is there when I get the regression and then I'll be able to tear it down! Can you tell me what happens when you try go there, and also what you expect to experience when you get there?

defectron
6th December 2011, 03:53 AM
When I use the method where I concentrate on where I want to go to jump there, I sort of shoot off, usually heading west, then I'll usually end up crashing into something and more often then not I'll end up back into my body when this happens. When I make a successful jump like the times I went to my freinds dreams I'll end up at my destination after crashing into something.

It makes me wonder why others dreams aren't also blocked by whatever is doing this, whatever this issue is it has prevented me from going to the akashic records, the physical plain, the lower astral but not my freinds dreams so I don't know what the deal is, maybe its because the dream realms are just on a similar wavelength to the area of the astral I usually project to? Though if the guide interpreters words are to be believed I have apprantly been tot he physical plain at least once during the alien planet projection, though in that particular case I have no idea how I got there or why my conciousness and astral body got seperated. She seemed to imply this was a place I intentionally went to, I suppose its not inconceivable I may have just forgot the part of the projection where I decided to go there, afterall I am pretty curious about alien planets so it would be the sort of place I would want to go.

When I try the door method I just concentrate on where I want to go and then open the door. This method usually doesn't yield great results as even when I just try going places in the regular astral I tend to end up somewhere a bit different. In this particular case I ended up in some womans house, specifically inside the kitchen. I suppose its not inconceivable that could have been the records, but its would be pretty inconsistent with what I expected, at the time I was visualizing some sort of library.

CFTraveler
6th December 2011, 04:13 AM
the dream realms are just on a similar wavelength to the area of the astral I usually project to? Yes, the Akashic records can be gotten to in many ways- through dreams, in the hypnagogic state and in a full-blown projection.
When you go in dreamstate they usually look like you'd expect (a library, a temple, or a place of learning), in dreamstate they can look like anything that has to do with disseminating knowledge (such as a computer room with monitors, a place where people discuss information, or a school)- the method of delivery depends on which 'body' you are using. A mental projection to the akashic records may not look anything like you expect- my point is that more than likely you are going there and not recognizing it.
Consider this- are you receiving the answer to a question or pertinent information when you try to go there, and 'find yourself not being able to go?' or, perhaps you are trying to go there without a specific question, and finding yourself not getting there?

All these are possible. I can tell you though, that my most spectacular visit (where I received much needed, specific and verifiable information) was a blind visit in which I was told the information. The only reason I knew where I had been was because of the 'rote' I received, the knowing that I was there.

defectron
6th December 2011, 04:31 AM
Well I did have a couple questions in mind, if I made it there I planned to ask what the deal was with my past life issue, something about shapeshifting and lastly something a bit less personal that I'm curious about like what the chupacabra is or something like that.

But anyway the place behind the door looked like some womans house, the are I was in specifically looked like someones kitchen I wouldn't really expect the records to look like that, but maybe it bares further investigation.

However when I jump places something usually seems to interfere and not just when I try to go to the records, I was told that some past life issue is the reason why that is.

IA56
6th December 2011, 04:55 AM
Maybe you did not have enough energy and it was why you ended up in a kitchen......symbol of energy fill up...

Love

defectron
6th December 2011, 07:23 AM
Well I did a shaman journey meditation just now and asked if that was the record and I got a very strong "no" feeling in response. Maybe the kitchen was some sort of clue to something, here's what the dream guide says

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=kitchen

I think it might be right about it signifying a change, I've had a feeling lately that things will change for the better here soon.

Also present in that area was this weird starecase/ladder hybred that lead over to the kitchen

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=staircase

http://dreammoods.com/cgibin/dreamdictionarysearch.pl?method=exact&header=dreamsymbol&search=ladder

These also symbolize similar things, so I do think that even if I'm blocked by something now this will be changing soon, it also may symbolize change in the phjysical world as I have a feeling that here too my cercumstances will be improving.

CFTraveler
6th December 2011, 02:55 PM
I'm curious about like what the chupacabra is or something like that. Being Puerto Rican I can answer that for you, but it'll be in pm, I'm not going to go into a controversial subject in the public forum.

defectron
11th December 2011, 02:40 PM
Ok, I may have reached the akashic record though I can't say for sure. I still haven't worked out whatever this past life deal was due to not really being very hypnotisable, I will relate this story in another post. But yes I got some advice from someone at the occult bookstore when I mentioned my sight usually goes to blue before the attempted jump going to the record crashes. He said that this might mean that I was trying too hard and that I should approach this like someone looking out at the sea calmly. The other day I came out and was going to try this, but before I could I went back to my body. I did it again today and gave it another try, first I stood on the step of my house trying to calm down then after doing so I initiated the jump, as usual it pulled me tot he west. This time I didn't crash though, my vision went out but I could still feel my body flying. I then came to a stop, breifly as my vision came on I found myself in the middle of what appeared to be a coral reef covered in thousands of anemonies. But this quickly switched to look like some room with a throw rug and some tv's. I then blurted out the first question I should think of, looking back on this I should have asked about the past life but didn't. I asked a question about shapeshifting at first I got no response so I tried reaching intot he screens of one of the tv's to see if a clue was inside like I did an an early projection, I didn't find anything but then the tv screen came on, displaying a text document that said "Try switching characters." I'm really not entirely sure what this means though I have some guesses. I think that once I again I may be encountering an astral translation hurdle. I tried asking again and it worded it differently, I forget how exactly but I reached inside and pulled the text document off screen. After this I woke up.

Anyway the question is, did I get tot he record? I'd like to think I did but I can't help but remember my early projections where I mistook various things that were not the record for being it. But then again, my guides did tell me that there would be no more simulations that prevent me from traveling and the only thing left to work out was this past life business. So maybe it really was the record and I just had trouble communicating with it. I did get another idea just now that might possibly overcome this. Recently I read a book by the occultist E.A Koetting where he speaks of his own visit to the record. When he got there he found a door full of crystals and he tried inserting one into his third eye, after doing so he received visions of his past lives. The next time I go there I will also try doing this with whatever I find, maybe I'll see something.

defectron
12th December 2011, 05:47 PM
Today I came out intending to go back tot he place I was before and verifying if that was the record or not. But thing's didn't go as smoothly today. When I came out for some reason my blankets tried to wrap around me, but I managed to get them off me with a bit of effort. I then went downstairs, and went outside but as I was initiating the jump I came back. I then went out of my body again, went and went downstairs, oddly a bunch of stuff was stacked in front of the door. This means there's something that needs addressing either that past life thing or some other issue. I wasn't having it so I shoved it out of the way and opened the door, but right as I was initiating the jump I came back. I then came out again and this time a bunch of empty shipping boxes were in front of it. I wanted to find out what the issue was so I tried asking the boxes why they were there. They didn't answer though, I examined them and noticed they were all labled "skyshift productions". I then thought of trying an experiment to see if by inserting a piece of one of the boxes into my third eye if I could get some information about it. I tried this but all it did was make my third eye itchy. After that I woke up.

Beekeeper
18th December 2011, 09:00 AM
Well no one could accuse you of giving in. :D

defectron
20th December 2011, 04:50 PM
Had a short one today, I tried changing into a couple different animals, but never quite managed to go all the way. for example I tried changing into a snake , but I think I still sort of had arms.

defectron
24th December 2011, 05:45 PM
today I projected out in some unfamiliar looking house. Odd thing was at the time I still thought it was my house even though when I woke up I realized it was completely different. I don't know why this is though.

Anyway it looked awfuly realistic so I thought maybe it was some sort of realtime projection so I tried picking up a book, my hand partially went through it but was still able to pick it up. I had no trouble moving anything else around. After that the projection ended.

defectron
25th December 2011, 05:53 PM
I had another projection today, unfortunately like the previous one my awareness was too low for me to remember what I had planned to do. I forget exactly how it started but I was flying and landed in a parking lot that was near a place that looked like my old high school. For some reason I was looking for my car over here. I did see one bluish car that seemed to be partially tipped over so I put a hand on it knocking it back down on all four tires. After that I tried to take off and fly away again but seemed to have toruble So I stuck around in the parking lot, I then focused on a random car and did the darth vader force grip on it. The car wabbled a bit before imploding in on its self , after that I sort of made it tumble away as it exploded. I was about to do the same to some playground equipment but then I woke up after that.

defectron
27th December 2011, 06:07 PM
So yes I projected today, this time I remembered what I wanted to do. I came out blind and made my way downstairs, my vision came back on when I went outside. As usual I willed a jump to go to the akashic records, but instead of going west like I usually do I shot off in a northeast direction for unknown reasons which I thought was a bit odd. I shot past all sorts of houses and other things before crashing into a building and blacking out. I then found myself back in my bedroom, this was the astral version of my bedroom because for some reason I was laying on my stomach which I never do and also a couple abnormalities were in the room. However the abnormalities soon dissapeared and I figured I must have woken up and went back to sleep. Looking back on it I think I may have still been in my astral bedroom though, too bad I hadnt noticed.

I think what happened here was that I got too excited which crashed the jump.

greytraveller
27th December 2011, 08:09 PM
Greetings Defectron
Regarding your latest OBE, apparently you had some sort of Astral False Awakening. Most FAs occur when a person thinks that they have awoken but are in fact still in a dream. Yet you believed yourself to be awake for a short time but were actually out of body (not dreaming). Maybe there is really not much of a difference yet it does seem unusual as I can't remember reading any other account of an Astral FA.

Cheers
Grey

defectron
31st December 2011, 05:53 PM
I received another clue today, today I dragged myself out and went over to the stairs before leaping over them, the odd thing is the air seemed to distort as I slowly floated tot he ground. After doing so I saw a man in the kitchen who resembeled my step dad dressed as a painter, he looked kind of tired. I took this man to be one of my guides as this is a shape they often take. I went over and asked him for more details on why I sometimes have trouble going certain places. He gave a sigh and said "shortly before your dad died your eject button was..." and he didn't really get to finish the sentance as I woke up after that.

This encounter raises more questions, prior to this I was told that whatever the issue was , it was from a past life. But he said something happened right before my dad died, which means something most likely happened in this life. Of course time doesn't mean the same thing in the astral so right before he died may encompass a wider area then one would generally think here, but I think the event he was talking about could be assumed to mean something in this life. One possibility is I may have run into another case of astral mistranslation symantics, like say when someone is speaking of something that happened a long time ago they might say "that happened a lifetime ago". One thing that may be in support of this is that I used my shaman journey cd to try to figure out if either of the two stories I was given had any truth to them. The feeling I got back was an ambiguous almost neutral feeling, often when I get that sort of feeling it means I'm asking the wrong question when trying to figure something out. If this interpretation is correct this could make sense.

On the other hand the fact that in one projection a guide did recommend I get a regression would seem to denote this wasn't a mistranslation, though I suppose its not inconceivable something could have happened in this life and I'm just blocking it out, so aa regression still might be useful for that.

Beekeeper
1st January 2012, 09:40 AM
He gave a sigh and said "shortly before your dad died your eject button was..." and he didn't really get to finish the sentance as I woke up after that. . . .

. . . .This encounter raises more questions, prior to this I was told that whatever the issue was , it was from a past life. But he said something happened right before my dad died, which means something most likely happened in this life.

How do you know he wasn't going to suggest that it is a different problem then to what it is now?

defectron
1st January 2012, 06:15 PM
Well that's certainly possible too, that there could be multiple issues.

defectron
3rd January 2012, 06:59 PM
So yeah I had a couple projections today

In the first one I don't remember what exactly happened, but I met someone who appeared to be the author of a book I recently read called "ippissimus" this is signifigant because assuming everything he says is true, he is close to acheiving what I'm striving for which is direct influence over the physical world using ones mind. But yes what he said was "Even someone like me would have problems if 100 people raised their conciousness against me"

After that I had another projection where I was in a place that looked like the restaurant I work at. One of my co-workers came over to me and gave me something to eat. I ate it and this made my vision black out momentarily, as it came back on I first saw outlines of everything before it all fully formed. Whats interesting is the place which was almost empty before was now bussling with people, maybe all these people were there before and I just couldn't see them? Anyway I was about to go out and attempt a jump but then I noticed an empty trash can blocking the door after that I woke up.

The next projection happened from a dream right after I went to sleep, I believe I may have finnally found the key to astral shape changing. In the dream I tried changing shape, but as usual it was unnsuccessful, it was then I had an idea to try doing it with my eyes closed. So I did and it worked, much like phasing through walls or manifesting objects I suppose it just works better when you don't look at it. Also it lasted the duration of the projection, usually when I had successful shape changes in the past I would revert back when I stopped paying attention but this didnt happen this time. I'll have to try this again to see if it works with non human shape changes too later, all I did this time was try swapping genders. Anyway after I did that I tried to initiate a jump to the record but I ended up at the pizza place again instead. I didn't figure it out until after the projection ended, but I think the pizza place is a new simulation to help me get to the bottom of this mystery that has been plaguing me for the last month. But yes when I initially arrived I thought maybe it was the record but some girl came over and said "oh no your not there yet, but I can take you there" so we went outside to go to her car, on the way out I noticed a really weird car, it seemed to have a different car sort of mashed together with its right side which was odd. The girl guide then changed to look like my step dad, probably because he's really good at sounding mad when he's pissed off. He got all angry and was like "You can't jump without your key! What were you thinking?" But for some reason I was feeling kind of cheerful despite that almost literally bouncing around the parking lot, the projection ended before we could try to leave though.

defectron
6th January 2012, 06:30 AM
So yeah today I came out breifly, but didn't make it far before going back. Later I came out againand tried questioning my guides about what was going on before going back, I don't remember exactly what they said, only that whatever the explanation was it wasnt very satisfactory. Anyway I came out again and tried making a couple jumps to various places but all sent me back. When I came out again my room was very realistic, for a moment I thought I was in the realtime zone, but this wasn't the case as I could interact with the environtment and some things were different. Also some cheese tubs from the restaurant simulation were there. I had thought I had gotten through that, but the presence of the tubs means maybe there is something left to do with that. After that I came down and asked my guide again for more details on my travel block. He then went on to make a joke about having trouble traveling because he didn't feel like driving. But then right as he was about to explain what was going on I woke up. This kind of makes me wonder if there might be something to the story about an external force interfering with me sense these always seem to cut out right as I'm about to figure out whats going on. If you check my reality bending journal I had a vision which I believe eliminates the first story I received about what my block is. But the second one I still don't know about yet. I tried doing a shaman journey today to try again to see if I could find out if there was any truth to it. This time I got back slightly clearer feelings. The feeling I got is certain elements of the story may be there, but that its pretty misunderstood, I also got the feeling that there isn't anything external that is working against me. So hopefully that is accurate.

defectron
11th January 2012, 06:45 PM
Had a couple projections in the last few days

In the first one a few days ago I was doing something in my legs with energy, they got all tingly, but then I felt what seemed like a bunch of invisible little peope smacking my legs where the energy was. I also saw what looked like small swarms of gnats flying around the areas that felt like this. I figured this was some weird entity trying to take energy. So I blew on the gnats and they went away.

I had another one where I was at a party of some sort, I met an individual who looked like the author of the book Ipissimus. I began to disscuss the content of the book with him and asked him about the when he wrote about projecting to a hgiher plane and merging his conciousness with a being he calls "sat nam" I asked if it was possible to do this wihtout going insane like he said he did in the book. His response was only for a short period of time.

Today I had a couple projections as well

In the first I came out and went outside attempting to project to the record. This time I tried something different, when I made the jump I visualised a barrier around my body and the cord of my astral body so that nothing would interfere with this and send me back. It seemed to work as the jump didn't crash. However I did not make it to the record, I instead ended up on the back porch of some house in the astral. Just to make sure I tried talking to the lawn furniture but got no response. So it seems , whther its an external force or an internal problem, while I kept it from crashing the projection, I wasnt able to stop it from sending me tot he wrong place. Oh well this is still something, I can use this technique when trying to ask guides questions since my projections have bad habit of cutting out right as they are about to answer me.

Next I came out again and was about to go over to the door but it was blocked by an oven. Maybe this meant that I had to do something else before I was ready to go out?

greytraveller
12th January 2012, 04:56 AM
Hallo Defectron
I noticed that you have repeatedly tried to get to the Akashic Records? This is something that I've never managed to do but Have read accounts of other people getting there.
At some point I recall Aunt Clair posting a method of getting to the Records. This included a lot of specific visualizations.
Have you seen this method before and, if so, have you tried it?? I'd be Very interesting in any feedback/comments you have about this!

Thanx in advance
Grey

defectron
15th January 2012, 04:28 AM
No I don't think I have ever read of that. I only know of two methods, one is using a door anomaly and the other is jumping there. I only have had success with the jump method. Though I did have an experience the other night that gave me an idea for another.

Which brings me to the topic at hand, this new experience which I feel reveals alot of the subtle details of the astral experience.

Anyway getting to it, the other night I had a lucid dream which went to a projection.

In the dream I was in some sort of basketball court, I figured out it was a dream and leapt up, rebounding off the wall matrix style before smacking a sprinkler on the ceiling. After landing I thought "why am I wasting my time with this? I should go to the astral" So thats what I did I went over to a brick wall and phased through it intending to go to the astral. While doing this my warning sense that something was about to try to wake me up so I used the sheild technique and it stopped. As I finished phasing through the wall I found myself underwater. Also I had somehow changed form into a female form without willing it. Anyway I emerged from the water, I was in some place that looked like some high class tropical resort by the side of the ocean in a swimming pool. I also noticed that the friend who I had gone into the dreams of in the past was also there. I don't remember if I talked to him at all. but when the projection ended I went into another dream. In this dream I thought I was awake so I tried calling my freind and asking him if he dreampt of a swimming pool. He said yes, but then I figured out this was also a dream and that was the end of that to my knowledge.

Later when I saw my freind I asked him if he dreampt of swimming pools. He said that he did dream of a swimming pool at an area like a resort by the beach. I then asked him if he remembered seeing anyone in the pool. This interested me, because I have never been able to get any verification for how I appear in the astral in the physical world, especially since I was not in my usual form. I left out the detail about my appearance not being the same intentionally.

He said he did remember someone emerging from the pool except he thought it was a woman. I then had to skillfully dodge why I probably looked like that since that particular desire of mine isn't something that is public knowledge among the people I know. Though from his description he seemed to think I had shorter hair then I remembered, so this confirms my suspicion that different people interpret the same data in the astral in slightly different ways.

This also makes me curious, both times that I have used the shield technique while traveling I ended up in unexpected places that I had not intended to go to. Though this second time I really wasnt intending to go anywhere at all, but still it does seem a bit odd I would end up in my freinds dream.

Another thing is this presents a new possible way to get places without initiating jumps. I'ved used the phasing through objects method to get to the astral plenty of times, but I never phased directly into someones dream before. Conceivably it could be used to go other places as well.

Lastly I wonder about the telephone dream, he did not remember talking on the phone after the swimming pool dream, but who knows what actually happened on his end after that. If my question did reach him it may have been interpreted in a different way then a phone on his side. But the idea this gives me is I may be able to communicate with people in a sort of dream network without projecting into their dreams. I will try testing this out by dialing a phone in the astral to ask someone a question about something that I don't know about them. I will tell them the answer I get and then I will see if it is right or not.

defectron
17th January 2012, 04:52 AM
So as I mentioned earlier, I had met someone in a previous projection who resembled occult book author e a koetting. This time I decided to make an active effort to see if the indevidual I met was the real deal or just someone assuming his appearance. I forget the details of the beginning of this , but I projected with the intention of going into one of his dreams like I did with my freind, I also wanted to ask if he could tell me how to get to that secret buddist temple he talked about projecting to in his book. Anyway I projected to some place where some people were talking around a table. I talked to one of them but can't really remember what about, then I noticed the person I was looking for come into the room and went over to greet him. He didn't seem to be completely aware of what was going on so I mentioned that this was a dream. He then had a look of realization and said with a bit of annoyance "This is a dream...♥♥♥♥..." I don't think he wanted me poking around in his dreams. Realizing that maybe this wasn't the thing to do I said "sorry if you don't want me here I can go." and he was like "Yeah you should leave" and that was the end of that. I do wonder if this was the real deal though as I don't really have good way of contacting him and asking if he remembered that dream.

defectron
19th January 2012, 09:46 PM
Had a short projection the other day. Don't remember much of it but I do remember there were toys.

defectron
20th January 2012, 04:19 PM
Had two projections today

In the first I came out and went over to the room with the anomaly. It was completedly different today, nothing was in it and there were three doors. I was about to look in one of the doors but then I got pulled back.

Next I was in a dream, in the dream I remember for some reason I beat up some guy from one of my jobs, it was kinda weird because I was pretending to bite soemthing and he just stuck his hand in my mouth. I didn't like that so I bit his hand and then did a bunch of painful wrestling moves on him. After that I figured out it was a dream and phased through the window. Now here's the interesting thing, I think I discovered a new way to go to the astral. What I did was dive at the ground with the intention of going there. As I did so I felt the sensation that something would try to wake me up. I used the shield technique and it went away, but I confirmed a suspicion, I can't control where I'm going if I use the shield technique while jumping. I ended up in a neighborhood that looked sort of like a surreal version of my own. I recall seeing a tree that had a number of words growing from its branches, the only one I remember being power. Anyway I floated over to my house and was about to try to go in the window when a car pulled up and an unfamiliar family got out .Apparantly they lived here and they seemed to be somewhat alarmed I was trying to go intot heir house. I don't remember if much else happened though I think the projection ended there.

defectron
21st January 2012, 06:27 PM
Had another new projection today

I got out and went over tot he room anomaly, not much was in there, just some clothes hanging there. I probably should have paid more attention to this for reasons I will go into later but my mom was sitting on the floor watching a tv. Anyway I went downstairs to look for my spirit guide, though looking back on it there was a good chance my mom back there was the guide I was looking for but for some reason I just kind of glossed over her. Anyway when no one seemed to be around I tried going outside and initiating a jump, once again I used the shield technique. After jumping a shot off going by what looked like a barb wire fence around a power plant. But I ended up waking up before I could get where I was going probably from getting too excited.

defectron
22nd January 2012, 07:52 PM
A little while ago I read in a book that gave advice to ask your guide what you needed to see and they will show you. so I projected today and tried doing this, but my guide told me that we had already disscussed everything I needed to do in detail. Presumably he was talking about the whole past life issue. Anyway I decided to give the regression another try so we'll see how that works out.

defectron
28th January 2012, 05:11 PM
Today I had some interesting projections

In the first I tried using a technique that I learned on another site which is supposed to take you directly outside your body into the physical world, but I just ended up in the usual astral zone I go to, though I will admit it looked pretty lucid even though it was clearly the astral. After that I went downstairs And moved a potato off the counter top just to make sure. I then phased through the window and tried to go to the dream of another freind of mine,I could feel I almost make it, I could almost touch his conciousness but ended up going back. After that I later came out and tried again, something tried to interfere with me but I blocked it with the shield technique, this time I got somewhere that seemed to be some neighborhood with alleys. I don't know if this was his dream or not yet as I haven't confirmed it, to get his attention I began to summon up balls of energy and randomly blow things up in this neighborhood. At some point a girl came along and said something to imply he wasn't dreaming at the moment. After that we had sex for some reason.

Now my last projection is the longest and most confusing, I'm only remembering bits and pieces of it. I spent the first half wandering about trying to make doorways to go to the physical world or something, but this wasn't working too well. Anyway I was wandering about and I recall helping one of my guides who had trouble with what I believe to be some sort of thought form or self aspect that got out of control and may relate to whatever this past life business is. I actually don't even remember what it did or what it looked like but I took the guide into a room and propped open with paint cans that I morphed into pillars and that was the last I remember of that.

defectron
31st January 2012, 08:13 PM
Recently I made an agreement with a sorceror to send me an entity named Arbadross , a demon from the 13th swe who could teach me how to do some things. Anyway I went looking for Arbadross on the Astral today. Initially I emerged in a place that seemed to be some sort of underground pool of water, but this changed to look like a busy cafeteria. I went around asking if anyone knew about Arbadross. A little girl came up to me and said she knew of him, but he wasn't here right now.

This is what she said about him. She said he is a hunter who pursues other hunters, and that even though he was given a name he has no real name, she also said something about him having the ability to teach about oneness. I also sort of got an image of a highway, much further down the road a lone figure was standing there, I think that was supposed to be Arbadross, I think it means its not time for me to meet him yet, but that time is approaching.

CFTraveler
31st January 2012, 11:20 PM
I'm just going to mention this once, because I'm sure others have said something similar to you- demons are not puppies that you call and do what you want-there is always a price to pay, and they will not leave when you want them to. Tread lightly and protect yourself.

defectron
1st February 2012, 08:07 PM
I'm not too worried about Arbadross doing anything to threaten me as the person who I'm working with seems to know what he's doing and that sort of action would directly go against one of the reasons for calling Arbadross to begin with, which is to protect while teaching. That may have been why the little girl referred to him as a hunter that hunts other hunters.

Anyway I had a few projections today

The first I only very vaguely recall, possibly going to the physical world but I don't remember much of anything that happened there, someone else may have been there too.

Anyway after that I got to thinking, the other days projections as well as that vague one didn't seem to give me any resistence like I tended to get when traveling. So to put it to the test the next time I projected I attempted to go to my room in the physical plane but this didn't seem to work as I just ended up in the astral location. So it seems those other times, either it was within lines of whatvere it is that tends to interefere with me whther its something extrenal or something internal or they were a fluke. But anyway after that I tried going somewhere else and ended up in some basement, this sort of seemed to devolve into some weird dream as my conciousness lost some of its coherency.

defectron
2nd February 2012, 09:50 PM
Just a small update, apparntly the information I received about Arbadross was accurate as I talked to the guy I'm working with on this and he confirmed that Arbadross is a hunter of other hunters. Though he decided another entity "Kandanzai" would be better for me to work with on this. Also I think the little girl who told me that information I've met before, I think she was the guide who gave me that green liquid in a past projection.

defectron
3rd February 2012, 06:18 PM
I first had a couple breif projections today where I came out but then went back.

Later I tried jumping to the akashic record. Anyway as I was getting pulled along I noticed various buildings many of which had the number 6 on them. I believe # 6 is associated with the kabbalah circle of of tiphereth, so I'm not sure what this might have meant but this jump crashed possibly because /i was distracted by all the 6's.

So I went looking for Kandazi next, I should probably stop doing that and just wait for him to get there because I think I may have attracted the attention from some of the wrong people doing this. This jump went a bit more smoothly and I breifly ended up in a place that seemed to be some drafty high rise but then I got sent back ending up in the bed of my rooms astral double as I so often do. I got back up and noticed what appeared to be some weird vaguely satanic looking grafiti scrawled on the ceiling in red, when I turned on the light to get a better look at it, it sort of went away. Anyway I came out of my room and noticed my spirit guide was in an argument with someone on the lower level. It was a large bald black man dressed like a ups delivery man. Now even though I tend to react more impulsively on the astral I've never done this before. But as soon as I saw this man I just seemed to instinctually attack him without even barely thinking about it. I ran, and leapt from the upper level like someone from the matrix overshooting the staircase and I just nailed him on the side of his temple with a flying punch sending him reeling. I'm not sure why he did it but after I did this he began to insult one of my favorite movie directors, most likely this is a case of symbolic speech, but whatever he said it wasn't helping his case in the me not beating him up department. I grabbed his arm and swung him head first into a nearby wall. After that the projection ended.

Now I didn't realize this until afterwards, but I now recall a story from either the psychic self defense forum or the neg abuse forum this reminded me of. Someone said they had received a package in the astral from a man of a similar description to the man I beat up. After that a number of large muscular african looking men would show up and beat and rape this person whenever they projected. I seem to recall someone saying this group was some sort of astral mercenaries that could be sent after people for whatever reason if they accepted the package. I wish I could find the topic but I can't seem to at the moment so I'm just going off of memory. Well hopefully they'll know better then to come after me again, because they'll get more of what he got if they try.

greytraveller
5th February 2012, 04:59 AM
Hallo Defectron
You posted

"Initially I emerged in a place that seemed to be some sort of underground pool of water, but this changed to look like a busy cafeteria. "

A food court in Hades, who woulda thought?? LOL

But seriously folks.
A couple quick thoughts on demons.
I have never met one during an OBE/AP. Then again maybe that's just as well.
You might want to a) look up simple defensive measures like LBRP and energy shields,
and b) Think out in advanced exactly what you want this creature to do. Specifically how you word the instructions. Apparently demons are crafty and like to skew mis-worded orders into mayhem and trickery.

Lotsa Luck
Grey

defectron
5th February 2012, 05:20 PM
I've used energy shields before, I used that technique to beat a yellow cloud neg that attacked me once. But yes I'm not one to let my guard down around anything, demon or otherwise as the delivery man from the previous projection learned.

But anyway since then I have had a couple more short projections.

The other day I had one where I came out in a bathroom, for some reason I was wearing a white T-shirt that had a picture of this anime character on it

http://s841.photobucket.com/albums/zz340/simula_kaori/?action=view&current=kirika.jpg&newest=1

It ended shortly after that, I then had another short one today where I went downstairs and the door was gone, a couple boxes were by it. I think I'm supposed to do something in the house, and I think I know what.

Shortly after this I went inbetween alpha and theta as I sometimes do and tried asking why it was I seemed to be having trouble finding Kandazi. The response I got was an image of one of those gates you go through before getting on a train. I didn't know what the deal with this was so I tried asking again and got two more images. The first was some sort of sceptor sitting atop a pedastal and the next was a bridge. When I saw the bridge I heard a word in my head "gate" I think maybe what this means is I'm supposed to use the door anomaly to find him?

Anyway after that I had a dream that I was at some sort of costume convention and was laughing at some really goofy costume. I then saw a very strange figure in the corner, he had jet black skin and was wearing a mask with two red eyes. He had four teats on his stomach. Anyway I went over to this guy and made a really bad joke, he just sort of shook his head at this and said "thats disgusting" after that the dream ended and I was viewing a message board where I saw some information regarding what I'm trying to learn from Kandazi. One of the things is how to get into a better state for viewing things in the astral while in the physical. It said something about trying to induce virtigo. So I think he may have communicated that to me using that imagery? I'm kind of hoping the strange figure I made the joke to wasn't associated with him though, at the very least their physical descriptions don't match up anyway.

defectron
5th February 2012, 10:56 PM
Oh jeez, I talked with the guy I was working with on this and it looks like the figure in my dream probably was kandanzi. Yeah my first meeting with a demon king and I tell him a bad joke...yes I need a face palm emoticon here. Well at least kandanzi didn't seem to be pissed about it, just seemed a little annoyed. But yes I'll have to apoligize to him about that.

CFTraveler
6th February 2012, 01:23 AM
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg
Here you go. Always happy to help.

defectron
8th February 2012, 06:11 AM
Today I went to the akashic record

When I made the jump the odd thing is about midway through I sort of got sucked into the pavement. I then ended up in a room with an old dusty filing cabinet. I then pulled out a sheet of paper that had various things written on it related to my life. I suspected maybe this was a part of the akashic record devoted to me. I asked if that was the case and the imagery on the paper changed , I forget how though. I then asked about an experience I had as a child where I saw an appirition of my gradeschool teachers face in my bookcase and it talked to me. The sheet then changed to some tribal figures dancing around a fire. The feeling I got from this was that it was a spirit guide for some reason. In hindsight this makes sense, since she looked like my teacher. After that I asked what the ufonauts were, but it wouldn't answer, probably because this part of the record was only my part.

But yes I also had some more experiences with Kandazi and a past life regression , I will write about those in the reality bending journal.

defectron
8th February 2012, 07:08 PM
I had some projections today, while the regression the other day did clear up some questions it seems I'm not out of the woods yet as whatever is blocking me is still there. I had to fight alot to be able to stay on the astral even with the sheild technique. What happened is I was in a dream and I was about to go intot he astral but some kind of wall was stopping me. It wouldn't let me phase through it. I had pretty much had it with this sort of thing even after getting my regression it was still getting in my way. I punched the wall and then summoned up a ball of energy and blasted through it. After doing this I ended up in some neighborhood that seemed to be in a sort of tropical climate, this part was pretty lucid.

One thing I notice is that alot more resistance came up when King Kandazi arrived, my theory is that this has to do with something from my regression the other day. Apparently my past self had some bad experiences with the occult and got kind of paranoid after that turning towards mainstream religion which is why I sometimes have trouble on the astral so the presence of Kandazi is probably freaking that aspect out even though some of that got cleared away the other day. My freinds shaman dad thinks he can remove the block, hopefully he can do so because this is a real pain having to deal with it.

defectron
10th February 2012, 07:49 AM
Ok, well I had a projection and a somewhat lucid dream and I think I can say at the very least things are back to normal after meditating on some issues from my regression though I don't know for sure if the blocks are completely gone or not.

In my projection I went to someones house and I tried phasing into a wall to go somewhere but had some difficulty so I went into another room and began asking some people if they saw anything that looked like a monster. A little girl responded saying "You mean King Kandazi? He's over at Sears." I'm guessing sears is symbolic of somewhere else as that seems like a strange place for a demon king to hang out at. But anyway I was about to go out an initiate a jump to whereever his location is but the little girl said "I don't think you'll be able to enter his inner nightmare, your too radiant." and after that the projection ended. I don't know what she meant by that. One possibility is he may have been in his kingdom at the moment in which case there may have been a legitimate reason for stopping me. One thing I noticed is he seems to be the sort who isn't showy and likes to work behind the scenes, for example psychics I know can't really pick up on him, though it appears some of the local ghosts can. I do know he's still around though as I keep hearing the voice in the back of my head telling me all sorts of things when I'm half asleep and also sometimes when I scry.

Anyway in my next dream I was working at a restaurant and there was some sort of flammable gas leak there so I left with a freind. As we were driving away we notice the area in front of us tot he left suddenly seems to erupt with a cloud of poison gas. There are two other roads, one to the right seems to be clear of danger but the middle road has several tornados going through it. I want to go tot he right but he's like, "No we need to go down the road with the tornadoes, trust me." so we both go, we narrowly avoid the tornadoes which keep going onto the road to the right where they would have hit us and we make it safely to some car garage where we relax for a bit. But then I think "wait this is a dream, maybe I should look for king kandazi" as soon as I thought this my freind tried to pin me down, but I knocked him over, he pursued me and as soon as I was over by the door of the garage it ended.

Anyway I did do a scrying session and asked some questions about why he seems to avoid me in the astral, the answers I got back seem to indicate he wants me to do stuff on my own without relying on him.

defectron
12th February 2012, 09:53 PM
Anyway in my next dream I was working at a restaurant and there was some sort of flammable gas leak there so I left with a freind. As we were driving away we notice the area in front of us tot he left suddenly seems to erupt with a cloud of poison gas. There are two other roads, one to the right seems to be clear of danger but the middle road has several tornados going through it. I want to go tot he right but he's like, "No we need to go down the road with the tornadoes, trust me." so we both go, we narrowly avoid the tornadoes which keep going onto the road to the right where they would have hit us and we make it safely to some car garage where we relax for a bit. But then I think "wait this is a dream, maybe I should look for king kandazi" as soon as I thought this my freind tried to pin me down, but I knocked him over, he pursued me and as soon as I was over by the door of the garage it ended.



I talked to my freind, apprantly he also remembers this dream and it really was him in it. Though he doesn't know why he tried to stop me from looking for King Kandazi.

defectron
14th February 2012, 04:37 PM
Good news, as promised, once I worked out the past life stuff I'm now free to go where I want on the astral, at least one of my major blocks is gone, I don't know if I have any others, but yeah I think I'll tell you guys about what happened.

When I first came out I immediatly tried going to the higher plane with no success. So I went downstairs, found my guide and asked him two questions. First I asked him who Gazuba was. He refferred to him as a Brazilian Noctua entity and said he was kind of unlikeable. (later I actually did some research and Noctua is a moth genus, and a constellation) next I asked about the higher planes. He said to go outside and jump. So I did just that, I shot up intot he air, I almost reached a fake panorama sky but didn't quite make it. After going back to my body I tried again, this time I shot past the panorama and went...alot of really weird places that presumably are in the higher planes somewhere. There are two things I remember, there was one area where my vision was sort of indestinct, I sort of felt some sort of weird energy winds going against my body as I moved through here, next I came to a very odd place with swirling blue energy, some of this seemed to sort of form faces much like Gygas from the earthbound game pictured on the page below.

http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Giygas

Something about this place kind of unnerved me, eventually I came back and noticed my freind who seems to have been sharing my dreams lately. He said he had a feeling I went somewhere I didn't have permission to.

Anyway next I decided to go look for sasquatch, I walked past a group of guides congregated on the poorch who seemed to be sharing some beers I jumped again. I shot off and ended up in a forest looking area this time. A bunch of hominid looking creatures seemed to be in a fight with what looked like a wooly mammoth. Clearly these were not sasquatches of our world, but perhaps some weird astral counterpart as I doubt any physical mammoths are roaming about the usa. Even odder, one them seemed to be wearing a suite.

After that I came back to my body before coming out once more, initially I wanted to look for the chupcabra, but my jump was haulted, possibly by King Kandazi who aside from teaching me has also been assigned as a protector. So I opted to look for the lochness monster instead. After thinking this I noticed a paper on the ground with a picture of the loch, I tried doing something I never did before and phased into the picture. I ended up in what I think may be the real loch or at least somewhere close to the physical loch as the geography looked alot like the real deal pictured here

http://www.shockingtimes.co.uk/mysterious-balloon-type-object-causes-full-scale-search-of-loch-ness/

However there was some astral objects around too as someone else, I don't know who accompanied me here, he wanted to visit a freind who lived in some sort of astral cabin on the shore of the loch, so while he went in I went off to look for the monster, but the projection ended there.

Next time, I will try to go to the physical plane and see what happens.

defectron
16th February 2012, 06:06 PM
I have some vague memories of what may have been a realtime zone obe, I remember looking at my arms and they were transparent, I remember seeing apttern on the other side, this pattern is actually from my bedroom curtains.

defectron
26th February 2012, 05:41 PM
Had two projections today

The first one was short I came out but then woke up right after

I then had another one that came from a dream. I was at a place resembling the occult bookstore, a man who I believe to be a guide was there, he took for form of the person who runs the bookstore. I went over to him intending to ask some questions about Gazuba.

I began to ask "Can you tell me about..." Before I could finish he said "about Gazuba?"

He then went on to see "If you touch Gazubas chest he will eat you." so obviously there was good reason why my other guide said Gazuba had an unlikeable personality. But anyway I doubt this is a literal meaning, most likely it is symbolic. I recall someone involved in voudoun saying that the entity Legba will sometimes threaten to eat people, but they didn't know what that meant. I then asked if he knew what Gazubas abilities were. He said that he would tell me if I could successfully disguise myself from him. I'm guessing he means form changing in the astral as this is an ability I never completely mastered. I'll have to work on that in the future. Of course there are other ways to find out who Gazuba is, but I don't think I can ignore a challenge froma guide so I will need to try to do this.

After that I ended up in some place that looked kind of like a library with a ghost, I don't know what the deal was with that but that's where the projection ended.

defectron
9th March 2012, 06:48 PM
So yeah I had a couple projections today. In the first one I came out and went over by the room anomaly, it was a closet right now. The projection ended after that. After that I came out twice more, the first time I tried to jump to the physical plane this jump seemed to crash. The next time I came out I thought something might be a bit off so first I tried seeing if any guides or king Kandazi was around, but no one was to be found. I then went outside and looked for them but no one was around there either. Anyway after that I tried jumping to the akashic record but didn't quite make it and woke up.

My astral block should be gone so I'm wondering whats going on here. Am I having a relapse, a new block or is something different happening altogether? One thing that makes me think it might be something different, or at least a different sort of block is that when I had my block I would have a spidey sense sort of feeling that told me whenever it was about to interfere with me, here I felt nothing of the sort. So maybe it isn't block, maybe I just got too exicted and ended up crashing on my own or maybe there's something I'm supposed to do but didn't do. Can't say for sure, I need to get more information to find out what's going on.

CFTraveler
9th March 2012, 10:35 PM
I had a projection like that a long time ago- I couldn't see anyone at all, anywhere. I never found out what it meant, if anything.

greytraveller
9th March 2012, 11:08 PM
Hallo Defectron
Regarding travel to the Akashic Records. I assume that this place Does exist but have never been there and see A LOT of forum questions asking how to get to the Akashic Records. So my best guess that It Is possible yet quite Hard to get there, especially on a regular basis. Again, best guess here -- there Is some kind of (energy or mental) barrier surrounding the Akashic records that prevents many/most projectors from getting through. I refer here to an Objective barrier and Not a personal barrier/block. Maybe you could ask an object in your room anomaly about this the next time that go out of body??

Regards
Grey

defectron
10th March 2012, 05:14 AM
Hallo Defectron
Regarding travel to the Akashic Records. I assume that this place Does exist but have never been there and see A LOT of forum questions asking how to get to the Akashic Records. So my best guess that It Is possible yet quite Hard to get there, especially on a regular basis. Again, best guess here -- there Is some kind of (energy or mental) barrier surrounding the Akashic records that prevents many/most projectors from getting through. I refer here to an Objective barrier and Not a personal barrier/block. Maybe you could ask an object in your room anomaly about this the next time that go out of body??

Regards
Grey

I don't think this is what's happening here, I have been there twice before and both of those times were when I still had my astral block. The other thing I also tried going to the physical world but also had trouble doing that so I think either I was in bad form or something funny is going on, either my block having a relapse or maybe I was supposed to be doing something else. Anyway the truth will become apparent within time so we'll see what happens in the following projections.

defectron
10th March 2012, 10:05 PM
Yeah it looks like what is probably happening here is that I'm having a relapse intot he astral block, alot of the same feelings/symbolism showed up in some interupted projections I had this morning, so I'm almost certain this is what is going on, though it would be nice to be able to get some confirmation from a guide. Anyway I'll give a try in doing away with it in the same method I used last time.

defectron
19th March 2012, 06:09 PM
I had two projections today, in the first one I came to a house that sort of looked like a bigger more expensive version of my old house. I remember there being a doll of ms santa clause there for some reason. I also saw myself in the mirror and I had a large depression in my head where my third eye is. Later I Projected again and came to the same house, during this projection I tried testing out some third eye powers such as closing my astral eyes and using my third eye to see, I got visions of some places that were not where I was at like scrying but clearer. I then went in the basement and tried to go investigate Gazuba but went back before I could.

defectron
5th April 2012, 07:07 AM
Ok heres a couple projections, this first one is from the morning of the day king kandazi left for good.

I got out of my body, I knew since king kandazi was leaving now was my last chance to see him so I looked around the house and then went out in the garage where my guide seemed to be doing some sort of car repair work, whatever that might symbolize. I asked if King Kandazi was still around and he said he wasn't sure. So I decided to go take a look initiating ajump but this ended up crashing.

About a week later I had a sort of lucid dream where I talked with my occult teacher, probablya guide taking his form, he said that someone who has obtained omniscience can see the twelve flames, not entirely sure what that meant.

Anyway the other night I had a decently long projection where I came out blind, but my vision adjusted and I went out flying about. At the time I thought this was a real time projection but looking back on it this certainly all took place in the astral as many landmarks were different and also I could sometimes touch and manipulate my surroundings. I also punched some woman who looked like the star of murder she wrote in the face for some reason, I can't remember what that was about. I then flew by an area that looked like a mysterious reacurring forest preserve in my dreams. This place is always inhabited by strange creatures such as giant turtles. It seems I may have been correct in my suspicions that this was a place in the astral rather then just a dream environment i created. I tried to go there but got stopped by my guide and then woke up.

defectron
8th April 2012, 04:25 PM
The other day I had a new projection

I was in a dream at first after realizing it was a dream I tried to phase through the wall but had a feeling that whatever internal thing from the past lives which still seems to be lingering would try to mess me up. So I took a moment to calm down and try to steel myself against whatever internal thing was trying to get out of control. After that I walked out the door and tried to make a direct jump to the akashic record. I didn't make it all the way there though as I crashed into the roof of some random astral house. I noticed in the window another me was looking up at me. So I phased inside and asked him if I made it. He said I only got about half way and the reason was because only half of me wanted to go. I know that 100% of my concious mind wants to get there so it's got to be that unconcious reminant from my past self which has been hounding me. I wish I could find a way to preminantly get that under control. But anyway after saying that he transformed into a black speaker box. There was no sense in staying here so I went back outside and tried to jump again but the projection crashed.

This morning I had some more projections

The other day I met a spirit guide communicator who told me about a special guide named Armando. I will talk more about this experience in the reality bending journal. But Armando is here apparently because I tried to go into King Kandazis kingdom without permission about a month ago. His purpose is to both protect against dangerous enetites and act as a messenger on my behalf to entities I am interested in meeting with.

Anyway I came out and went looking for him, two guides were applying plaster to a room where a closet would normally be. I asked them if they had seen him, but he didn't seem to be around, one of them said Armando had visited his house recently though. That projection ended and I came out again going over to the room anomaly, I tried to will the other side of the door to go to wherever Armando was, but it was a bathroom right now so that was no good. That projection ended and I came out again, I then jumped downstairs, oddly I shrank to the size of a bug when I did this, the carpet magnifying to be huge, there also seemed to be someones hand lying on the carpet for some reason. After growing to normal size I met another guide and asked him about Armando but he wasn't around. I decided to initiate a jump to look for him but the projection ended before that.

defectron
10th April 2012, 04:01 PM
I had several new projections today, it started with me viewing the room using 3rd eye vision, though I think it may have been my astral room since somethings were different. I came out and went over by the room anomaly but it was full of random stuff. I was about to go look for a guide but the projection ended.

I came back out again later and went downstairs, for some reason the door to outside was leading to another room that seemed to be some sort of underground gym. Sitting , staring at something I couldnt see was a very odd looking woman. Her eyes had a feral sort of look to them much like the afterimages I woulds see of king kandazi's eyes. I jumped down and began to talk to her but she completely ignored me as she seemed to be engrossed in whatever she was staring at, the projection ended there.

I wonder though, earlier I made a mental call to Armando and gave him persission to either reconnect me with king kandazi or someone new but only if he let me know what he was doing in some way. I'm sort of halfway tempted to say maybe this is an entity he found to help my development, but I can't say for certain yet. I need to project again to find out what is going on.

defectron
19th April 2012, 10:38 PM
Had a number of new projections the past few days.

The first one happened after an experience I will write about in the reality bending journal where a shaman did a healing on my energy bodies. Apparently I also had some contracts I didn't know of and these had to be shut down because the energy mixing with mine got in the way of the whole operation somehow.

Anyway later that night I came out and was in a room that seemed to be made of stone eyeballs. A voice in the back of my head also said something about shutting down the workers. Now at the time I wasn't sure if this was the right thing to do, but do to certain new developments I won't go into just yet it looks like I had indeed made the right decision. I am going to be participating in two shaman journeys , during which I need to be free of contracts. After those are over I also found out about someone who would be much better to make a contract with then those I had.

A day or two later I came out again and tried to initiate a jump to the akashic record, I crashed into a place that looked like a bookstore but came back before I could look at anything.

Today I had two projections

When I came out I could feel the energy from the astral block trying to knock me down, but I channeled that into this special ball I got to absorb negative energy and was able to operate ok because of it. Anyway first I tried to go into a dream of a freind of mine. I eneded up in a place that sort of looked like his apartment but alot of stuff was different. I found something that looked like a christmas tree and I sort of did the darth vader choke hold on a bunch of the lights on it causing themt o go out everytime I closed my hand. The tree didn't seem to like this much as it reached out and grabbed my hand trying to get me to stop. At this point some woman came by and began to talk to me about something I can't remember.

Later I projected again, this time I went into a dream of another freind, this time I shot past the place he worked at and went somewhere that looked like an art gallery. I also encountered someone in heavy traffic who remarked that part of the reason I tend to get impatient ins ituations like being in heavy traffic was because in a past life I was hung in samoa around 1890, I have no idea what relation that could have with that though.

Anyway later I asked both of my freinds, one of them remembered the things I saw and the other one didn't so this was a partial success.

defectron
6th May 2012, 04:04 PM
I had some new projections recently. Before those I did something I'm not supposed to talk about to improve my projecting quality. It's a shame I can't tell that story becaus eit is by far the most amazing experience in my life.

Anyway yes the projections.

The first was an unsuccessful jump tot he records, that wasn't too special. The next two though are interesting because for the very first time I projected tot he physical version of my room rather then an astral double. I could really feel the cord pulling me back to normally when I come back I just sort of black out but I could feel the cord now. So I think that stuff I did to fix my astral stuff worked. It also improved my spirit vision, but that will have to wait for a post in the reality bending journal.

defectron
8th May 2012, 04:11 PM
Had some amazing projections today

The first was a physical projection, I climbed out for some reason I felt kind of weak, dunno if maybe this is me not being used to moving in the physical world or what. But I looked over tot he curtains and a thought hit me, I had never notied how much the patterns on them looked like skeliton hands. I was somehow able to see beyond them to see a pond in the astral with light shimmering off it. Then that ended. Next I came out and went into the room anomaly that looked like a bathroom and I went throught he wall and came out in a place similar to my old house where my mom and step dad were watching historic films. At first they didn't notice me, but then I tried unsuccsessfully to make some of the stuff they were looking at vanish at which point they noticed my presence. After that I tried to go out and make a jump but went back before then. my last projhection was the most interesting though. I came out and tried to shapeshift, despite my success at energetic shapeshifting during that incident, the thing is back then it seemed to happen almost automatically and I don't really know how to trigger it intentionally, only one part of me changed when I tried. After that I decided to go to the record, but intead of jumping I made a door appear.

During that one incident I'm not supposed to talk about I discovered something interesting about my true nature. Part of the reason I have trouble traveling in the astral isn't because I'm too weak to get there, but because I'm much to strang and am not keeping this in check properly. This has to do with what sort of being I actually am behind the incarnated human. But anyway this came into play here. Before going into the doorway I visualized shrinking myself down, even though this was like ten feet high, and compared to my human astral body I should have easily fit just based off observations of the naked eye, noinetheless I had trouble getting through it even while crawling on my belly. nonethelss I did make it to the end of the dark tunnel and emerged in the record. I then scrambled to find a question to ask. The first one was really weird and I don't even know why I asked it. I asked "is that guy for real" referring to some questionable indevidual who I can't even remember now. In response I received an open windows software box whatever that means. After that I thought of a proper question and asked what the chupacabra is. The answer I got was that it is alot of different things, some conventional explanations, some not so conventional. Here are three of the answers I got an animal, an egregore born from animal violence, a ufonaut. I also recall some freinds were there, I have no idea if they were really my freinds or some astral representation, you never know with me, I'll have to ask them later just in case. After this the projection ended. In E A Koettings book Ipsissimus he talks about directly absorbing knowledge from the record into his third eye. I will need to try that when I go back there sometime.