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Pneumismatic
10th July 2012, 10:10 PM
You know, I've realized that Karma, loving my neighbor as myself, is a primary means of personal enrichment for me. My intuition tells me this, my experience tells me this, my dreams tell me this and news articles suggest this (http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/07/120709142804.htm). Having said that, I feel the urge to enrich myself today.

Once, I heard a Joyce Meyer's sermon on TV on what to do when one feels that they're stuck between a 'rock and a hard place.' The answer, according to Joyce was "Wiggle!" She proceeded to spend the whole sermon giving examples of how to wiggle out of different circumstances and personal stories to illustrate them. She is right! This applies to people stuck between a rock and a hard place, up against a wall, or stuck in the mud. I heard a wise man tell a room full of people one time, and he said this with all of his soul, "Just try!" That day, I was convinced that it all boiled down to good old-fashioned common sense, determination and grit, which felt like a deep locking-in-place of all of the varying systems/religions/techniques/methods/sermons/seminars/meditations/exercises/music/learning and other activities that I had ever experienced. It's usually hardest at the beginning but if you'll just try it'll get a whole lot easier really quick. The door was open once more if one was willing to just make the effort to step through. That realization is a gift I wish to empart to anyone who wishes to receive it now.

The main mathematical mode of understanding this 'wiggle' thing in the real world is called the "butterfly effect." It is a sound mathematical model that describes how one flap of one butterfly's wings on one side of the world can add just enough momentum to a breeze there to cause that breeze to become a tropical storm on the other side of the globe. Understanding how it works is like visualizing a domino effect. one could take a row of dominoes and set them up so that they knock each other down like we all did as kids. Then one could put two rows of dominoes after resetting the first row of dominoes so that the last domino of the first row knocks down both of the first dominos in the parallel next two rows. This pattern could be repeated to a third degree with four more sets of dominoes, two sets for each of the second two rows, for a total of seven rows of dominos all knocked down by that single domino pushed over at the beginning by one finger's single motion. This could stretch to infinite dominos. It's a sound, real-life, rock solid, basic principle of matter, everything matters. So, this is a solid, scientific launchpad for faith of all kinds. The slightest effort can be enough to cause greatest result. Just TRY!

So, where to start? Why not start with YOU! After all, if you want to help others you have to help yourself. How can a finger have the energy to knock over a domino if it hasn't helped feed its body's own mouth first? Ah, so what are some simple, cheap, effective ways to wiggle that require little or no practice?

There was a time in my life when I needed rejuvenation, when I needed healing, when I needed hope. There were some little things that I did at those times that were just for me, that I believed truly engaged the butterfly effect in my life. The first one was: take a bath! Ah! laughter is good! How long has it been since you really drew a real hot bath, making that the highlight of the day, drawing it right up to the rim of the tub, and getting in there and getting a clean towel all wet just to use it for your pillow as you sit there for an hour or two till the water gets so lukewarm that you turn on the hot to heat it up again? Well then do it now! Trust me, you'll like it, and afterwards you'll ask yourself immediately, "why don't I do this every day?" A little miracle really takes place in a simple soaking in the tub: You'll RELAX! ...and it will last for days, of if you subscribe to the butterfly effect, potentially forever [residually at least]. Repeat! Use this time to find new angles of sticky problems, as it's easier to see the landscape and plot a route when the clouds are gone and the sun is shining.

Another thing that one may draw a temporary boost of fresh sanity from is this: Go to the store and find the biggest chocolate bar that you can find. One of those 8-packs of hershey's milk chocolate bars (which together would make one big chocolate bar) work great, and so does dark chocolate bars. If you can't find bars get the Hershey's kisses, a big bag of them. Don't get chocolate-covered doughnuts or the like, you want something that's pure milk or dark chocolate. Laughter is good, it's usually the first response to the pure truth anyway! :-) So, take that big chocolate bar, or that bag of Hershey's kisses and go find a nice quiet place wher you can be alone for about ten minutes while you eat the whole thing, unless you've got the bag of Hershey's kisses, then eat at least 7 or 8 of them but don't eat the whole bag, stop with the kisses when you've had enough. I know what you're thinking, but when you do this you'll find that for the next two to four hours you can think more clearly than you have for days. Use this time to find new angles of sticky problems, as it's easier to see the landscape and plot a route when the clouds are gone and the sun is shining. This is wiggling at its finest, and it only costs a couple of dollars, and its worth every penny. Qualification: This should be a once a day thing at most, and it is like using a sledgehammer, which is great for some jobs, but understandably, shouldn't be used to try to tack a picture to the wall, or most other jobs around the house. In other words, be moderate, and use common sense, OK? :-)

These two are great truths and I still use them to this day, mainly the Chocolate Truth.

A good third one that takes more practice and study but is free thereafter forever is learning to stretch the whole set of large muscles in the body, mainly the glutes and the quadriceps, as these are the biggest muscles in the body. The hidden fact here is that the body and mind/brain both run on the same single source and circuit of electricity, the one inside your body, which is akin to saying that everyone in a certain village drink out of the same fountain. If that fountain gets low or polluted, there is trouble in the whole village, not just half of it. If the fountain is full and clean, the whole village is in harmony and at peace. Well, it turns out that if one wants their mind to slow down a notch or two, they often need only stretch a muscle or two. I don't know how many times I've laid in bed for three hours trying to relax and finally stretch my quadriceps and go to sleep in about five minutes. I know that I should stretch the whole body, and I did this regularly for a while, but when one finally begins to achieve a deep lasting harmony, their muscles don't get very tight in the first place, or stay tight either. The secret here is that worry tightens up the muscles because worry is electrical activity in the brain, charging the whole neurological system, nerve wires that connect all of the muscles with all of the brain, causing the whole system to be bright and charged up, which is great in select scenarios, but the opposite of the optimum steady state of relaxation (or efficiency). It's the two-way-street effect. When you grasp the paradigm, you will understand why there is no real difference between the mind and body as the phrase "mind, body, and soul" seems to indicate. Anytime you're dealing with one, you're dealing simultaneously with the other. That's why a physical sensation, like musical sounds, can reach the soul instantly! So, embrace the truth, and stretch, your soul will thank you for it! I personally have a sheet of printer paper on my wall that says "1 calves, 2 Quads, 3 Glutes, 4 Spinal Twist, 5 Toe Touch, 6 Deltoids, 7 Pecs (pectorals), 8 Shoulders (Back), 9 Shoulders (Top), 10 Jaw (chewing muscles, potentially chronically clenched during worry). The real effect is similar to being on an hours-long caffeine high. Use this time to find new angles of sticky problems, as it's easier to see the landscape and plot a route when the clouds are gone and the sun is shining.

Some other little tricks I've used to good effect are these: 1. Buy some lavender essential oil and put finger-dabs of it around the room you occupy the most. This stuff relaxes you like a prescription, and it can be overpowering so wash it off of your finger afterwards, or don't use your finger for dabs but a pencil eraser instead, or something similar; 2. Learn to cook! Wanna be connected with Merlin and the wizards of the past and present, or the priests who served in God's holy temple at Jerusalem in ancient times, or the alchemists new and old? Well then, burn a few meals on your way to making your first good one! It will only cost about 10 or fifteen dollars worth of ruined meals at the beginning on average, then you cook your first meal that you like and you become deeply, mysteriously pleased with yourself on a level that you didn't even know existed! Double, double, boil and bubble! If you're one of those guys that think that cooking is for girls, you need to pick up a history book and stop selling yourself short. You like to grill don't you? Well then, make something that you have to stir, to mix, to heat in a pot, to make alchemy with, and you'll feed more than your stomach! Culinary adventures are further enhanced by buying and using the spices: Salt, Sugar, Pepper, Cinnamon, Paprika, Cocoa, Powdered Garlic (not too much now), Powdered Onion, and Powdered Mustard. MSG makes a great substitute for salt just for delight's sake. Some good beginning dishes are: A. Chocolate Rice- Put 2 cups of water and one cup of white rice in a pot and stir, then add three tablespoons of cocoa powder and five tablespoons of sugar and stir, then bring the whole thing to a boil on the highest heat setting and stir once more, then cover with a lid and let set for fifteen minutes. Uncover, stir and serve! No need to thank me, I'm just the messenger. :-) Another good beginning dish is scrambled eggs. This one requires constant stirring, other than that, add what you like, at least one good smattering of salt and pepper, and how many eggs make you full. If you can make these two dishes, you can make most dishes, and that's the miracle of it all, that gives you that priceless emotional boost, it's a priceless epiphany, and it lasts! Oh, and since this is kitchen talk, if one find themselves in need of a bigger hammer than the Chocolate-Bar-Sledgehammer, all they need to do is to pour a big glass of milk, pour it onto a blending bowl, get a blender and blend in three tablespoons of cocoa powder and five tablespoons of the best HONEY they can find. Say it with me, "A land flowing with Chocolate-Milk and Honey!" :-) It's the nectar of the God! Try it once and you'll never forget it. Oh, and if you want to see someone else trying really hard, watch survivorman episodes with Les Stroud. The guy tries so hard and risks his life, just to make a TV show! It encourages me.

After mastering these then you have some legs to stand on when tackling the more involved forms of self-empowerment like Dzogchen Meditation, Physical Exercise, and Schedule Control. Then you can employ advanced techniques like giving to others, paying it forward, and finding someone to share it all with! Have a good day, and WIGGLE!

IA56
12th July 2012, 06:19 AM
:-)

SoulSail
12th July 2012, 07:54 PM
Good advice and suggestions! I also highly recommend breaking up "stuckness" by deliberate acts of kindness to others. If I'm in a particularly bad spot, I'll often make sure to do something as simple as ask the coffee shop worker how his or her day is, and then wish them the best, or just smile at someone that looks busy, pressed. If you want to nuke a stuck state, I recommend calling everyone on your phone and telling them you love them (if you do!), or just send emails. Whatever works.

Soul

Pneumismatic
13th July 2012, 02:33 AM
:clap::loveyou::clap: Where's the emoticon for fireworks?!? Well Said, SoulSail! :thumbsup:

Beekeeper
13th July 2012, 10:42 AM
Yes, I thought that was a good comment too, Soulsail.

Your post was a nice little touch of synchronicity, Pneumismatic. I just came from watching a video on sufism, about which I knew nothing. The man stated that having fun, eating healthy food (he was anti-chocolate:lol:), having friends around, enjoying nature, spiritual dance, drumming and chanting are all very important ways to elevate the spirit. He believes that heart intelligence is superior to intellect and we are here to enjoy ourselves and grow.

He also made the point that if you have to force your religion on anyone else you not really getting it and that distinctions between humans are pointless because we're all one in spirit.

I do prefer spiritual systems that acknowledge and include the human body rather than demean and demonise it. I also like a "try anyway" philosophy; it's so much better than defeatism.

Pneumismatic
14th July 2012, 02:23 AM
:lol: Synchronicities and counter-synchronicities:
(he was anti-chocolate:lol:) I agree with everything he said and celebrate the chocolate paradox within! Right before I read your post I was singing and playing on guitar, "Wish You Were Here" by Pink Floyd, with full abandon, with all my heart! I felt like a whirling dervish. You see... :loveyou:

mick
20th July 2012, 01:36 PM
The main mathematical mode of understanding this 'wiggle' thing in the real world is called the "butterfly effect." It is a sound mathematical model that describes how one flap of one butterfly's wings on one side of the world can add just enough momentum to a breeze there to cause that breeze to become a tropical storm on the other side of the globe. Understanding how it works is like visualizing a domino effect. one could take a row of dominoes and set them up so that they knock each other down like we all did as kids. Then one could put two rows of dominoes after resetting the first row of dominoes so that the last domino of the first row knocks down both of the first dominos in the parallel next two rows.

The butterfly effect is maybe not quite as often recounted. This link overviews the concept and real world application.
http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2005/10/06/what-is-the-butterfly-effect/

As a part of the overview at the link input was sought from a specialist in the field.
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In response to the variety of comments on the weblog of October 6, 2005 entitled “What is the Butterfly Effect”, I asked Associate Professor Richard Eykholt of the Department of Physics at Colorado State University to provide his perspective on the discussion. Professor Eykholt is an internationally respected expert on chaos and nonlinear dynamical systems. His website provides information on his excellent professional and academic credentials.

His response to my request (dated October 11, 2005) is reproduced, with his permission;

“Roger:

I think that you captured the key features and misconceptions pretty well. The butterfly effect refers to the exponential growth of any small perturbation. However, this exponential growth continues only so long as the disturbance remains very small compared to the size of the attractor. It then folds back onto the attractor. Unfortunately, most people miss this latter part and think that the small perturbation continues to grow until it is huge and has some large effect. The point of the effect is that it prevents us from making very detailed predictions at very small scales, but it does not have a significant effect at larger scales.

Richard Eykholt”

This summary should put to rest the misconception about the “butterfly effect.” In answer to the question presented in the original weblog on this subject, “Predictability: Does the Flap of a Butterfly’s Wings in Brazil set off a Tornado in Texas?”, the answer is absolutely no.

Roger A. Pielke Sr.

http://pielkeclimatesci.wordpress.com/2005/10/12/more-on-the-butterfly-effect/
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I do however think that this explanation has its own spiritual corollary though, it is that while a positive healing say might significantly influence in the local scale, in the wider reality where it is subjected to a soup of other intents small and large a continuing and maybe collaborative nurturing may be required in order to give an enduring form to the original intent. In short, stay with it and focussed.

CFTraveler
20th July 2012, 03:36 PM
I also think that specific detailed focusing can be seen at 'tapered off' areas of influence, which can make the effect not 'a tornado in Texas', but other side effects, that may appear random. I'm not going off physics or math here, but things like attitudes and memes, which I think are more focus-dependent than a physical model.

mick
20th July 2012, 04:17 PM
I also think that specific detailed focusing can be seen at 'tapered off' areas of influence, which can make the effect not 'a tornado in Texas', but other side effects, that may appear random. I'm not going off physics or math here, but things like attitudes and memes, which I think are more focus-dependent than a physical model.

Think that is what I am saying, that detailed (and extended) focussing boosts the chances of influence in the bigger scale where there are many ad hoc often unrelated influences e.g. chaos. :) Agree on the likes of complementary memes as well, sort of provides a highway for like minded intents. Would say this is a principle of some uses of archetypes in some practises, a carrier wave as it were.

Being this is a healing forum, in my mind, nothing being said here would negate healing efforts at a distance, it generally being a point to point activity. My points really being to the butterfly analogy.

CFTraveler
20th July 2012, 09:02 PM
Would say this is a principle of some uses of archetypes in some practises, a carrier wave as it were. I think you're right, Mick.

Pneumismatic
22nd July 2012, 06:20 AM
You know, the great thing about faith is that it doesn't need a sound mathematical model, being the basis for all of existence. One great thing about science is that it had its origins in the minds of men who sought to use it to find proof of an orderly God in the apparent chaos of nature, in the form of predictable patterns, who were entirely successful. Just look how far science has come, simply because people had the faith to try!

mick
22nd July 2012, 10:30 AM
I also think that specific detailed focusing can be seen at 'tapered off' areas of influence,

Yes, thinking about this some more, I had a passing experience a day or so back that reminded me that the "record" of the intent will still exist and those of attitude :) might also respond to the record and give it further presence. If it became that established and fortified lo we have another archetype. :)

mick
23rd July 2012, 06:21 PM
The great thing about science is that it had its origins in the minds of men who sought to use it to find proof of an orderly God in the apparent chaos of nature, in the form of predictable patterns, which was entirely successful. How far would they have gotten if they never had the faith to try?

And not forgetting the Laws, some of which make patterns! :)

Mods, move to the the Science and Spirit section if deemed more at home there. :)

Interesting view but there were also early scientists who also had a secular approach to seeking understanding of the physical world. One consideration maybe, if considering the current era religions then comparatively science, its tools and elements of methodology as a discipline somewhat predate them. Aristotle, Ptolemy, Euclid circa 300ad and later Alhazen circa 900ad amongst others were major contributors to such as Roger Bacon, an early Christian scientist. A while back I had occasion to review the likes of early scientists and noted the work of Roger Bacon and the influences and inputs to his work. Added here in case of interest. :)

Some scholars present viewpoints that science and its associated philosophies pre-dating those religions played a role in the shaping of articles of the modern religions. As these extracts from Wiki presents, Islam and Christianity were heavily influenced by the science of Greece and also indicates the scale and extent of their knowledge and the grounding that it gave us. In the early days of Islam, science played a major role in the establishment of its articles of faith and its view of the physical universe which was way in advance of Europe. The middle east played an important role in preserving and growing the science of the time whilst Europe developed with great vigour the dark ages. This science of the then middle east then became the springboard for the science of the European Medieval period. Roger Bacon is given a prominence in this role and the wiki entry for him lists the Islamic scholars on whose shoulders he stood. He was a monk which is something he found he needed to work around sometimes and needed to dodge the heresy bullets but not always successfully some suggest. A feature of such institutions plus the secret societies of the time is that they were some of the few places where one could be educated in the western world, particularly in languages which gave access to the scientific works and were also repositories of knowledge but over time the signs are that these institutions tended towards restriction as per the examples claimed for the experiences of Galileo as religion and science sometimes struggled, notwithstanding, the learning grew, unshackled itself and produced the European Enlightenment (which again drew from classical history for philosophical purposes) and one or two constitutions (Ah, Tom Paine comes to mind).

I also think that the Hindu synergies with modern religions is of interest but another tale. Also the science inputs of China and other countries in the region contributed to the Greek Knowledge base helped by the roaming of Alexander who also spent time in areas of Hindu dominance.


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Aristotle. Extracts from Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle

Virtually all Western philosophy that came after his works; Alexander the Great, Avicenna, Averroes, Maimonides, Albertus Magnus, Thomas Aquinas, Duns Scotus, Ptolemy, Copernicus, Galileo, and most of Islamic philosophy, Jewish philosophy, Christian philosophy, science and more....

Aristotle (Ancient Greek: Aristotéle-s) (384 BC – 322 BC)[1] was a Greek philosopher and polymath, a student of Plato and teacher of Alexander the Great. His writings cover many subjects, including physics, metaphysics, poetry, theater, music, logic, rhetoric, linguistics, politics, government, ethics, biology, and zoology. Together with Plato and Socrates (Plato's teacher), Aristotle is one of the most important founding figures in Western philosophy. Aristotle's writings were the first to create a comprehensive system of Western philosophy, encompassing morality, aesthetics, logic, science, politics, and metaphysics.

Aristotle's views on the physical sciences profoundly shaped medieval scholarship, and their influence extended well into the Renaissance, although they were ultimately replaced by Newtonian physics. In the zoological sciences, some of his observations were confirmed to be accurate only in the 19th century. His works contain the earliest known formal study of logic, which was incorporated in the late 19th century into modern formal logic. In metaphysics, Aristotelianism had a profound influence on philosophical and theological thinking in the Islamic and Jewish traditions in the Middle Ages, and it continues to influence Christian theology, especially the scholastic tradition of the Catholic Church. His ethics, though always influential, gained renewed interest with the modern advent of virtue ethics. All aspects of Aristotle's philosophy continue to be the object of active academic study today. Though Aristotle wrote many elegant treatises and dialogues (Cicero described his literary style as "a river of gold"),[2] it is thought that the majority of his writings are now lost and only about one-third of the original works have survived.[3]"

Aristotle not only studied almost every subject possible at the time, but made significant contributions to most of them. In physical science, Aristotle studied anatomy, astronomy, embryology, geography, geology, meteorology, physics and zoology. In philosophy, he wrote on aesthetics, ethics, government, metaphysics, politics, economics, psychology, rhetoric and theology. He also studied education, foreign customs, literature and poetry. His combined works constitute a virtual encyclopedia of Greek knowledge. It has been suggested that Aristotle was probably the last person to know everything there was to be known in his own time.[10]

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Abn Al-Haytham Extracts from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alhazen

"Abū ʿAlī al-Ḥasan ibn al-Ḥasan ibn al-Haytham ) (965 in Basra – c. 1040 in Cairo) was a Muslim[5] scientist and polymath described in various sources as either Arab or Persian.[6][7][8][9][7][10] Alhazen made significant contributions to the principles of optics, as well as to physics, astronomy, mathematics, ophthalmology, philosophy, visual perception, and to the scientific method. He also wrote insightful commentaries on works by Aristotle, Ptolemy, and the Greek mathematician Euclid.[11]

Optical treatises

Besides the Book of Optics, Alhazen wrote several other treatises on optics. His Risala fi l-Daw’ (Treatise on Light) is a supplement to his Kitab al-Manazir (Book of Optics). The text contained further investigations on the properties of luminance and its radiant dispersion through various transparent and translucent media. He also carried out further examinations into anatomy of the eye and illusions in visual perception. He built the first camera obscura and pinhole camera,[44] and investigated the meteorology of the rainbow and the density of the atmosphere. Various celestial phenomena (including the eclipse, twilight, and moonlight) were also examined by him. He also made investigations into refraction, catoptrics, dioptrics, spherical mirrors, and magnifying lenses.[69]

In his treatise, Mizan al-Hikmah (Balance of Wisdom), Alhazen discussed the density of the atmosphere and related it to altitude. He also studied atmospheric refraction. He discovered that the twilight only ceases or begins when the Sun is 19° below the horizon and attempted to measure the height of the atmosphere on that basis.[24]

Astrophysics

In astrophysics and the celestial mechanics field of physics, Alhazen, in his Epitome of Astronomy, discovered that the heavenly bodies "were accountable to the laws of physics".[70] Alhazen's Mizan al-Hikmah (Balance of Wisdom) covered statics, astrophysics, and celestial mechanics. He discussed the theory of attraction between masses, and it seems that he was also aware of the magnitude of acceleration due to gravity at a distance.[69] His Maqala fi'l-qarastun is a treatise on centres of gravity. Little is known about the work, except for what is known through the later works of al-Khazini in the 12th century. In this treatise, Alhazen formulated the theory that the heaviness of bodies varies with their distance from the centre of the Earth.[71]
Legacy

Alhazen made significant improvements in optics, physical science, and the scientific method. Alhazen's work on optics is credited with contributing a new emphasis on experiment. His influence on physical sciences in general, and on optics in particular, has been held in high esteem and, in fact, ushered in a new era in optical research, both in theory and practice.[24]

The Latin translation of his main work, Kitab al-Manazir (Book of Optics),[25] exerted a great influence on Western science: for example, on the work of Roger Bacon, who cites him by name,[26] and on Johannes Kepler. His research in catoptrics (the study of optical systems using mirrors) centred on spherical and parabolic mirrors and spherical aberration. He made the observation that the ratio between the angle of incidence and refraction does not remain constant, and investigated the magnifying power of a lens..[32] In honour of Alhazen, the Aga Khan University (Pakistan) named its Ophthalmology endowed chair as "The Ibn-e-Haitham Associate Professor and Chief of Ophthalmology".[33]

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Roger Bacon. Extracts rom Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Bacon

Roger Bacon, O.F.M. (c. 1214–1294), (scholastic accolade Doctor Mirabilis, meaning "wonderful teacher"), was an English philosopher and Franciscan friar who placed considerable emphasis on the study of nature through empirical methods. He is sometimes credited, mainly starting in the 19th century, as one of the earliest European advocates of the modern scientific method inspired by the works of Aristotle and later pseudo-Aristotelian works, like the works of Muslim scientist Alhazen.[1] However, more recent reevaluations emphasize that he was essentially a medieval thinker, with much of his "experimental" knowledge obtained from books, in the scholastic tradition.[2] A survey of the reception of Bacon's work over centuries found that it often reflects the concerns and controversies central to the receivers.[3]

Bacon studied at Oxford and may have been a disciple of Grosseteste. He became a master at Oxford, lecturing on Aristotle. There is no evidence he was ever awarded a doctorate — the title Doctor Mirabilis was posthumous and figurative. Sometime between 1237 and 1245, he began to lecture at the university of Paris, then the centre of intellectual life in Europe. His whereabouts between 1247 and 1256 are uncertain, but about 1256 he became a friar in the Franciscan Order. As a Franciscan friar, Bacon no longer held a teaching post, and after 1260 his activities were further restricted by a Franciscan statute forbidding friars from publishing books or pamphlets without specific approval.[6]

Bacon circumvented this restriction through his acquaintance with Cardinal Guy le Gros de Foulques, who became Pope Clement IV in 1265. The new Pope issued a mandate ordering Bacon to write to him concerning the place of philosophy within theology. As a result Bacon sent the Pope his Opus Majus, which presented his views on how the philosophy of Aristotle and the new science could be incorporated into a new Theology. Besides the Opus maius Bacon also sent his Opus minus, De multiplicatione specierum, and, perhaps, other works on alchemy and astrology.[7]

Pope Clement died in 1268. Sometime between 1277 and 1279, Bacon was probably imprisoned or placed under house arrest. The circumstances for this are still mysterious. Sometime after 1278 Bacon returned to the Franciscan House at Oxford, where he continued his studies.[8] He is believed to have died in 1294

Optics
The study of optics in part five of Opus Majus draws heavily on the works of both Claudius Ptolemy (his Optics in Arabic translation) and the Islamic scientists Alkindus (al-Kindi) and Alhazen (Ibn al-Haytham).[38][1] He includes a discussion of the physiology of eyesight, the anatomy of the eye and the brain, and considers light, distance, position, and size, direct vision, reflected vision, and refraction, mirrors and lenses. His research in optics was primarily oriented by the legacy of Alhazen through a Latin translation of the latter's monumental Kitab al-manazir (De aspectibus; Perspectivae; The Optics), while the impact of the tradition of al-Kindi (Alkindus) was principally mediated through the influence that this Muslim scholar had on the optics of Robert Grosseteste. Moreover, Bacon's investigations of the properties of the magnifying glass partly rested on the handed-down legacy of Islamic opticians, mainly Alhazen, who was in his turn influenced by Ibn Sahl's 10th century legacy in dioptrics.[39]

Pneumismatic
24th July 2012, 08:09 AM
If it became that established and fortified lo we have another archetype. :) You said it, Mick! I believe there is serous student of alchemy posting on this thread here and there, revealed by the way U recount scientific history, which was identical with alchemical history until after the middle ages. Perhaps this thread should be moved to the Science and Spirit section. Mods?


And not forgetting the Laws, some of which make patterns! :) Now you're referring to Issac Newton! :)

One of my favorite wikis is wikipedia's extensive list of alchemusts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alchemists Bacon, Roger is listed under the heading for "Western Alchemists."



I also think that the Hindu synergies with modern religions is of interest but another tale. "Abram" = "A-Brahm?" So, you're an Aquarian philosopher as well! :thumbsup:

CFTraveler
24th July 2012, 05:24 PM
If you really feel it should be moved, I will, but frankly I think it goes well here. Ok, I'll leave a permanent redirect, so that it stays in both forums.

mick
10th August 2012, 12:43 AM
If it became that established and fortified lo we have another archetype.You said it, Mick! I believe there is serous student of alchemy posting on this thread here and there, revealed by the way U recount scientific history, which was identical with alchemical history until after the middle ages.


Not a practitioner and not seeking to be but do have an interest in science and technology for amongst other reasons work, but I also find the history aspects of great interest for what it says about our forebears.

Regarding archetypes, something I tend to take an interest in as their roles and utilisation can be noted in elements of the non-physical environment on occasions. Separating such drivers out from other conditions can be useful at times.




Now you're referring to Issac Newton! :)

One of my favorite wikis is wikipedia's extensive list of alchemusts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_alchemists Bacon, Roger is listed under the heading for "Western Alchemists."


"Abram" = "A-Brahm?" So, you're an Aquarian philosopher as well! :thumbsup:

Interesting link, will have a closer look. One book that I will take a look at sometime is Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince, “The Forbidden Universe: The Occult Origins of Science and the Search for the Mind of God”.

Product Description: Were the first scientists hermetic philosophers? What do these occult origins of modern science tell us about the universe today? "The Forbidden Universe" reveals the secret brotherhood that defined the world, and perhaps discovered the mind of God. All the pioneers of science, from Copernicus to Newton via Galileo, were inspired by Hermeticism. Men such as Copernicus, Galileo, Newton, Leibniz, Bacon, Kepler, Tycho Brahe - even Shakespeare - owed much of their achievements to basically occult beliefs - the hermetica. In this fascinating study, Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince go in search of the Hermetic origins of modern science and prove that not everything is as it seems and that over the past 400 years there has been a secret agenda behind our search for truth. From the age of Leonardo da Vinci, the influence of hermetic thinking upon the greatest minds in history has been hidden, a secret held by a forbidden brotherhood in search of the mind of God. Yet this search does not end in history but can be found in the present day - in the contemporary debates of leading evolutionists and thinkers. The significance of this hidden school can hardly be over-emphasised. Not only did it provide a spiritual and philosophical background to the rise of modern science, but its worldview is also relevant to those hungry for all sorts of knowledge even in the twenty-first century. And it may even show the way to reconciling the apparently irreconcilable divide between the scientific and the spiritual. Picknett and Prince go in search of this true foundation of modern rational thought and reveal a story that overturns 400 years of received wisdom. Praise for Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince: Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince...specialise in topics that challenge established and cultural history' - "Fortean Times". 'Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince...hold as good a claim as any to be the model for Robert Langdon, for their book stands at the heart of "The Da Vinci Code's" ideas' - "The Rough Guide to "The Da Vinci Code"". 'One of the most fascinating books I have read since "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail"' - Colin Wilson.

A book that I find of interest although lots more of it to read is "Mathmatics for the Million. How to master the magic of numbers" Lancelot Hogben, introduces Mathematical methods along with the history of who and how it was developed.

Not sure about the philosophising, :) sometimes happen across items that interest, in this case it was an essay that linked many correspondences between Hindi and Christianity. http://www.hinduwisdom.info/Hinduisms_influence.htm
Food for thought and maybe an intriguing twist on history.

Pneumismatic
11th August 2012, 05:26 AM
You have excellent taste, mick! I have a serious urge to get "The Forbidden Universe" and also the "Mathmatics for the Million." I've got a long way to go and I feel strongly that those books hold more golden keys. Thanks for sharing! I had a friend who showed me "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" and it had that feeling too, kinda like getting ahold of a big secret. This reminds me of a thing I once saw on TV that showed a list of people who were Grand Master Rosicrucians (sp?). There were a bunch of heavy hitters on there like Leonardo Da Vinci and Newton too I believe and other famous pillars of science, which I found to be very fascinating as well, though I've yet to follow up on that. I'll check up on the link.

CFTraveler
11th August 2012, 04:12 PM
Ron, I know you know hermetics/alchemy- I have a Rosicrucian tract that is rather involved that you might like, let me know if you're interested, I can email it to you.

Pneumismatic
13th August 2012, 10:56 PM
Ron, I know you know hermetics/alchemy- I have a Rosicrucian tract that is rather involved that you might like, let me know if you're interested, I can email it to you.

You said it, C. I am very interested in this tract of yours and thank you very much for letting me know of its existence. Please send it to me, I'll send you my email address in a pm. Thanks in advance.