Copy: Length of the Afterlife

[MaryAnn]

G'Day Robert,


This is about something I read in one of your writings.


You referred to the length of the afterlife in terms of complexity of the organism....humans having a longer one, companion animals a shorter one, ants maybe just a minute or so.


That immediately brought me to the question of, "If the afterlife has a 'length,' then what happens when it is 'over?'" An obvious answer might be re-incarnation, but since I don't (personally) believe lives are sequential (all incarnations emanate from the no-time zone,) it brought up some confusion.


I never had thought of the afterlife as having a time length; my prior concept was that upon dropping the body, you went where your level of "spiritual attainment" took you, and progressed from there. Some people, really advanced ones, would skip right over the astral and go on to the mental planes; others who were stuck mentally might stay in the RTZ until they learned their way out. And eventually everybody progresses to rejoining (?) their higher self / I There / whatever you want to call it. I realize you can't "rejoin" what you never left, but your own perception of it might be akin to rejoining.

Personally I'd love to see a book that addresses how you conceptualize the "layout" of non-physical existence, and what has to occur for someone to progress through it. RAM's Ultimate Journey pretty much tied up his own concepts, and a book like that from you would be really neat.


All the best,
MA

[eyeoneblack]

I can't argue between you and Bruce, but I'll have to say I like what you said. Read it, believed it and I'm on the page; EXCEPT, the idea of multiple universes adds another dimension. Your take is linear and as so makes perfect sense, but I'm lately expanding my conceptions to include and not exclude other possibilities.

It's more mind warping to me in my intellectual/mature age than I ever thought before.

Nice to hear from you, MA!

[MaryAnn]

While waiting to see if Robert wants to address this....

eyeoneblack, are you aware of what I call the "crystal concept" that Frank DeMarco got from his Guys? That all possible decision points produce a split, with a new path starting from each of the decision points on every possible decision that could have been made? (So there is a huge tree structure that gets more complex over time as more and more decisions are encountered.) I don't explain it well; but your consciousness only travels on one path through the decisions, while all decision paths continue with their own awareness. Theoretically if you don't like the decision path you are on, you can "jump paths" to one you like better, in terms of which one your consciousness is travelling. Kind of mind-bending, but it fits with the multiverse idea. I think it was the Guys who described it ("a" life) as a crystal composed of all the possible life paths that occur due to decisions. Mind bending.
But not as mind bending as the first time you find yourself in the RTZ with weird stuff going on!

[eyeoneblack]

Yes, Butterfly, I like the crystal metaphor, and it points to the madness of not being sure of just about anything. Pick a door - what's behind #3?


But not as mind bending as the first time you find yourself in the RTZ with weird stuff going on!
UhnHun :lol:

[Gemma]

I don't see how there can be a length to the afterlife. A length implies time. I suspect the further you move away from the physical plane, the less time seems to exist. Maybe we really do just have one shot at life here per manifestation, but we have multiple lives happening at the same time? And we don't even have complete information about the afterlife, so how can anyone say there's a length involved? Or am I missing the point?

[CFTraveler]

I think it's just a point of view- for example, I measure 'length' in the nonphysical as 'how I see things have changed' as opposed to time as we experience it here in the physical- time (in my definition) is not a 'thing', but a measurement of how things move and change through space. Warp space, change how time is measured. Even though time implies matter (because we observe changes in matter) when we go 'out', and go back to a landscape that is stable, we can observe changes (or at least I can, when I go to recurring places) so in my mind, this means that 'nonphysical time' has passed, not necessarily in any way like time here works, but observable nonetheless.
In my view, where there's the possibility of change, time is apparent. Does that mean that there are no multiverses? No, because each one would have it's own version of time (as per manifestation), and I think that the 'eternal' part of us can exist in all of them at the same 'time', since that part of us is outside of time.
.02
ps Idk how the afterlife works, but when Robert talks about time, I think he's talking about how long the realtime or etheric body lasts until the deceased falls asleep and goes full astral. Of course, I could be wrong.

[Gemma]

Idk how the afterlife works, but when Robert talks about time, I think he's talking about how long the realtime or etheric body lasts until the deceased falls asleep and goes full astral.

How does he know if the deceased falls asleep? Is there an article where he discusses this?


You referred to the length of the afterlife in terms of complexity of the organism....humans having a longer one, companion animals a shorter one, ants maybe just a minute or so.

I'd like a link if there's one. :)

[CFTraveler]

How does he know if the deceased falls asleep? Is there an article where he discusses this?

I'd like a link if there's one. :) He talks about this in the latest edition of Astral Dynamics, and he used to talk about it in either the Treatise or in his Q & A threads. I'll see if I can find it somewhere in the articles section.
Here's two links- you may have to slog through lots of info to get to the part you want, though.

http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?548-The-Afterlife


http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?307-Is-There-an-Afterlife-and-What-Happens

[CFTraveler]

I found one that is more concise and to the point.
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13087-Question-about-the-afterlife&p=108149#post108149

[eyeoneblack]

I found one that is more concise and to the point.
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?13087-Question-about-the-afterlife&p=108149#post108149

Naturally insightful and from the keyboard of experience! I read a long time ago that animals share communal souls so that when one dies it rejoins its communal soul. Then, I wonder, what about pets? I decided that humans may impart an individual soul to a pet that is loved; maybe not so different than the process by which we are granted a soul. :confused: That by the love of our Creator we are invested with a soul.

Bruce indicates that animal/human souls may be a product of incarnation in the fetus. (I think I got that right). This reminds me of the idea that people may divulge their incarnations by their appearances. I sat in a mall one day and looked at people. It seemed easy; look, there goes a rodent, there goes a horse, there goes a bird, and so on.

I'll may have to edit this as regards Bruce's animal/human discussion.:?


The motivations for attaching to a particular type of fetus and family are unknown, but likely this involves the higher self, which is a part of the essential spirit/soul of a person.

If a human fetus escapes this (theoretically) they would be born with a more primitive soul, which may come from an evolved animal like a dog or cat, and other animals are possible, too.


Oh, I caught a typo I thought was hilarious. "Deli Lama". What a cute name for sandwich shop. Googled it. I'm long from the first to think of it. :lol:

[Sinera]

.... I wonder, what about pets? I decided that humans may impart an individual soul to a pet that is loved; maybe not so different than the process by which we are granted a soul.
you may want to take a look at Dolores Cannon's book "Between Death And Life" where exactly this information on animal pets is imparted via regression (and Higher Self channeling) hypnosis, it says that formerly group spirit based entities (not just animals) maybe 'evolve' into single souls by contact with humans who already are evolved single souls (who themselves maybe even have evolved to this state from previously being part of a group soul too)

[Gemma]

@CFTraveler Thanks. :)

Talking about pets after they've passed on. My mother (before she died) had 6 cats. One of them died, which I didn't know at the time and I went to visit her one evening. I saw a cat sitting on her doorstep and it had distinctive markings. I wasn't familiar with her cats' names, etc. I went in and told Mum that one of her cats was sitting outside waiting to come in. She asked me which cat it was. I told her I didn't know. She asked me to describe the cat. I did. She told me that cat died recently. You could have knocked me over with a feather because the cat looked solid, it looked like it was alive. I had no idea it had passed on.

I had 2 cats in 2007, and one of them was desperately ill with renal failure. The vet put her to sleep. Since then over the years, she's been coming to visit me.

So, with regards to what happens to pets, I don't think anything happens to them as such, I think from previous experience, they seem to be no different from humans with respect to being around us.

But of course, any discussion revolving around the afterlife is largely unproven and are just theories at this point.

Just had another thought about lower astral entities i.e. snakes, flies, spiders, etc. What if they're cluster souls who have yet to raise their vibration enough to incarnate here in the physical world as an insect or animal?

[eyeoneblack]

you may want to take a look at Dolores Cannon's book "Between Death And Life" where exactly this information on animal pets is imparted via regression (and Higher Self channeling) hypnosis, it says that formerly group spirit based entities (not just animals) maybe 'evolve' into single souls by contact with humans who already are evolved single souls (who themselves maybe even have evolved to this state from previously being part of a group soul too)

Ha, wonderful. I'm not alone in this opinion and gratified to have a citation to back me up. ;)

Thanks