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Ascendant
21st September 2005, 08:15 PM
I'd like to present a theory that I've come up with regarding the links between the soul, the cosmos, and quantum physics. I will do this in two parts, because the subject matter is too large to discuss in just one thread. The first part will be my theory of the soul, and the second part will be my theory of how this relates to the universe. Once you have read this part, please comment and, if interested, continue to the thread for Part Two.

From quantum physics, we learn that the fabric of the universe is, at the very smallest level of existence, completely random. That is, if you were to look at the smallest possible level of vaccuum, you would see very strange things happening. Particles will randomly appear and disappear. Gravitational forces will manifest and then disappear. This is called the quantum foam.

Before we go any further, let us define randomness. When something is random, that means that it cannot be predicted. It means that it is uncaused by our universe; that it is not part of the chain of cause and effect that we see. Random things are uncaused.

But this random quantum foam, as it happens, cancels itself out for the most part in the larger world. This is what allows us to have laws and predictibility.

There are still random events, however. For example, radioactive decay. Radioactive decay is the set of various processes by which unstable atomic nuclei emit subatomic particles. When exactly a nuclei will emit a particle is impossible to predict. There's nothing that we can do to control the emission of particles at a certain time.

Except for one thing--using the mind. Experiments (I can provide sources if you ask) have shown that the mind's will alone can influence the supposedly random emissions. One experiment involved having a machine detect the emissions and generate a sequence of 1's and 0's based on it. Participants in the experiments were able to alter the chance generation of the 1's and 0's. But how is this possible?

There is also a theory that the human brain itself is set up in such a way to use the random quantum fluctuations in matter. In pretty much everything, these fluctuations cancel each other out. But not in the human brain. Therefore, some have theorized that the brain has used these to create either increased intelligence, or free will, or consciousness, depending on who you ask.

My theory is this: That the human soul itself is an entity existing outside our universe as currently defined by science, and that this intelligence is the cause and source of the quantum events in the brain. As well, that the soul as defined above can extend beyond the brain and influence things outside of the body, causing what we know of as psychic phenomena.

Akashic_Librarian
21st October 2005, 12:36 PM
Wow that has really made me thin ALOT about quantum physics and the relatinoship to our souls.....onto thread No. 2

AnnieO
29th April 2007, 05:06 AM
From quantum physics, we learn that the fabric of the universe is, at the very smallest level of existence, completely random. That is, if you were to look at the smallest possible level of vaccuum, you would see very strange things happening. Particles will randomly appear and disappear. Gravitational forces will manifest and then disappear. This is called the quantum foam.

Before we go any further, let us define randomness. When something is random, that means that it cannot be predicted. It means that it is uncaused by our universe; that it is not part of the chain of cause and effect that we see. Random things are uncaused.

***If random things are uncaused then surely it then would be ineffectual...without having an effect!! Tho if something is uncaused can it still have an effect!!

But this random quantum foam, as it happens, cancels itself out for the most part in the larger world. This is what allows us to have laws and predictibility.

****Seeing as all is in words of this artfulness then can Laws be Lores and predictibility be perspectivibility!!
Is this expected to be participated as in the changing of the condition whereas we ought to change our perspective instead!!

There are still random events, however. For example, radioactive decay. Radioactive decay is the set of various processes by which unstable atomic nuclei emit subatomic particles. When exactly a nuclei will emit a particle is impossible to predict. There's nothing that we can do to control the emission of particles at a certain time.

Except for one thing--using the mind. Experiments (I can provide sources if you ask) have shown that the mind's will alone can influence the supposedly random emissions. One experiment involved having a machine detect the emissions and generate a sequence of 1's and 0's based on it. Participants in the experiments were able to alter the chance generation of the 1's and 0's. But how is this possible?

There is also a theory that the human brain itself is set up in such a way to use the random quantum fluctuations in matter. In pretty much everything, these fluctuations cancel each other out. But not in the human brain. Therefore, some have theorized that the brain has used these to create either increased intelligence, or free will, or consciousness, depending on who you ask.

*****We are told that all that we take in only a certain amount of information is accepted thru the doors of our Recticular
Activity system and this 'doorkeeper' will only allow that which we have been preconditioned to enter!! As if we ourselves have programmed our mind to only take in that which we are used to knowing!!

*****What if we could ourselves reprogram our 'sensations/thoughts/behavior patterns to the song/dance Universe of our own choosing!!

*****If Love is unconditional within ourselves and we have blocked this by our primate instincts as in flight or fight then this 'area' of our mind/brain, its in fact being hidden from us by our very own 'laws' of what is and what not is!!

My theory is this: That the human soul itself is an entity existing outside our universe as currently defined by science, and that this intelligence is the cause and source of the quantum events in the brain. As well, that the soul as defined above can extend beyond the brain and influence things outside of the body, causing what we know of as psychic phenomena.[/quote]

*****Yes that makes good sense, as in do we see the particle or do we see the wave, and if one sees the particle waving or in movement, what would this 'experience' be called or named or explained!!


If this is so....then could we as humans actually reprogram ourselves to accepting unconditional love for all !! Whats the point of having a great mind and body when we are putting old outdated stuff into it and expecting it to function, it cannot.....a bit like a comp. that is or does everything yet we are putting 'cheap or outdated' information into it, no point in that is there, seems a bit silly....So to conclude all that, if we re organise our 'problems' with each other, then surely this would be a chain reaction within that would manifest outside aswell!!

As om not that sure on what we are saying or thinking here to relay, but hoping that if thats true or possible, we are then for sure the 'creators' of all that we prepare to perceive!! Meaning we are the 'result' or 'effect' of the very cause we feed ourselves in our 'problems' regarding wars, anger, jealousy and all the other hanger ons !!

Are these our 'habits' our 'addictions' !!
Are we the 'tenents' of our own doings our own programings!!

If our brain is ever so much like our universe and so many others aswell and what we do here and now results in what we personally experience, then we can change ourselves by not thinking they are addictions instead accept preferences until we have figured out that even the preferences are our choices to be just like peaceful lovers instead of angry warmongers....if we dont put crap into our minds and body, then surely no crap will come out from our own hatchlings!!

So if one knew that we are the direct result of all that happens, then we would and could actually change without any interference to anothers view, yet behind the guise 'doorkeeper' will let us into this 'place' that is the identity or source by knowing now we have questioned all the answers to arrive at Love being true!! And when one knows its Love is pure Essence then surely we can be and travel anywhere anytime without using up precious earthly resources that require outside fuel for thoughts!!

We guess that is one option of traveling lightly, and with this imagination (Einstein did say, that man thinks its power to have knowledge, yet in truth tis Imagination) or thereabouts!!

Time for a nap....this information seems quite comp.lex...
But we shall be returning to understand some more of these wonderful inner sites....
Tah...A.O.

wstein
29th April 2007, 07:05 AM
A slight clarification: random only means not predictable it still can be caused. The results of a perfect coin flip is random (unpredictable), but quite clearly the event is caused by a flipper (traditionally a person's thumb). Note that the specific outcome (heads/tails) may not caused by the flipper. I don't think this undermines your position.

I don't think there is too much doubt within this crowd that some part of us is outside of the material universe (though there's not much scientific proof). a skilled OBE traveler is able to leave the material universe and yet still exist (in some form).

30th April 2007, 07:40 AM
AnnieO, you might find this page interesting. Here's a guy who's not only developed a similar theory, but he's done all the math and published his theory, and introduced it internationally.

http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/artic ... rvival.htm (http://www.survivalafterdeath.org/articles/pearson/survival.htm)

Oh and this comment is directed at Jman ... just some food for thought, regarding general/special relativity. You say Einstein requires consciousness for there to be matter, because there needs to be the existence of an observer.. Then how do we describe the Big Bang in terms of special/general relativity, who was the observer? Hehe. Pearson's theory also solves this dilemma by proposing how the background consciousness could have evolved and become sentient, and how the universe and life could have been created as a creative act of this consciousness.

journyman161
30th April 2007, 08:14 AM
Oh and this comment is directed at Jman ... just some food for thought, regarding general/special relativity. You say Einstein requires consciousness for there to be matter, because there needs to be the existence of an observer.. Then how do we describe the Big Bang in terms of special/general relativity, who was the observer? Hehe. Pearson's theory also solves this dilemma by proposing how the background consciousness could have evolved and become sentient, and how the universe and life could have been created as a creative act of this consciousness.*grins* Ah, but the Big Bang ain't Einstein's - it came along later when Hubble explained redshift by proposing the universe was still expanding. Einstein & his contemporaries thought of the universe as static & infinite.

Quantum mechanics suggests it is quite feasible for the consciousness produced by the beginning of the universe to not only be the Observer of the universe but also the creator. Weird stuff, huh?

And to be honest, I quite like Pearson's thoughts on things. I read your link last time you posted it. The idea of a basic underlying reality which could create both macro AND quantum realities is worth a read. Having it be consciousness leads to all kinds of speculations.

Definitely worth a read.

AnnieO
30th April 2007, 12:41 PM
Oh and this comment is directed at Jman ... just some food for thought, regarding general/special relativity. You say Einstein requires consciousness for there to be matter, because there needs to be the existence of an observer.. Then how do we describe the Big Bang in terms of special/general relativity, who was the observer? Hehe. Pearson's theory also solves this dilemma by proposing how the background consciousness could have evolved and become sentient, and how the universe and life could have been created as a creative act of this consciousness.*grins* Ah, but the Big Bang ain't Einstein's - it came along later when Hubble explained redshift by proposing the universe was still expanding. Einstein & his contemporaries thought of the universe as static & infinite.

Quantum mechanics suggests it is quite feasible for the consciousness produced by the beginning of the universe to not only be the Observer of the universe but also the creator. Weird stuff, huh?

And to be honest, I quite like Pearson's thoughts on things. I read your link last time you posted it. The idea of a basic underlying reality which could create both macro AND quantum realities is worth a read. Having it be consciousness leads to all kinds of speculations.

Definitely worth a read.

Quantum does what the mind wants to be shown or seen....it is governed by the Energy that is what we have named Life...Movement....All are nouns until a verb is created as action...then come the add ons....adverbs...which is the fuel...being the train or ship or motor is still to begin with...the verb gives movement...the adverb describes the movement....and adjectives then come...along with the Pronouns...and then they are joined in conjuctions....then along comes the prepositions those of us that are first in place before all others....
When we know this we become interjections...wowwwwwwwww!!

We create as we go along...enjoying the ride...be it here or there its all the same now....

Thoughts are our words coming from all these micro parts....but they can operate without thinking or tinkling with...
What seems unreal becomes real....what seems unstable becomes stable...what is micro becomes macro...its the inbetween parts that move such creations that we first imagine....

if this is so...then surely we by our own understandings of what can be created as universals....(thats the turning part in all motors or mills or gins) we make of it a verse that is united....unitive...ahhhh

Energy is the Traveller....for the Timebeings...to come and go and being One ancient or neo matters not if the verse of our spells our writs are that what is driving us forward or backward....

The dice that is played in words is not a verse...it is a vice....
One that speaks of a control....err...
That is the mistake but also it is not a failure....there is no differences in the or this Energy....this Emerging....
Many will emerge sooner or later....being there is no sooner or even later...it is all now ....here in this presence...this gift of living love....

Take for example...a word like...abundance....does this word know it is more than another !!
The Energy does not differ of what is and what not is...it gives and shares that which we are curious about...now thats real love...

Once l figured that one...we knew we would now grow...as all pos and all neg was and is one of the same....like your god and your devil...your angels and your demons...it is only the human factor that makes the evil and not the live....but its the same word....life and death is one of the same...
You may think me odd or even...but we are either or neither...and or but...in or out...and ect...ect....

Teach me....more about less...that is .... less about more !!

Because no one can go further than our words of true love to each other...

When we understand this as being true love then our words of expressions in all their writs will evolve...

Simple really....