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2nd February 2006, 03:28 AM
Are these OBE's or someother type of experience?

When this happened the first time, I could hear that funny electric/static humming type noise. It's a real trip. Then I saw a train running through my bedroom, around my bed? Like one of those kiddie trains. The first one I went with, I started to see a very large form - no color, but kind of a glowing black and white. At first I thought I was seeing a form of an entity with a really big beak, but now I think it was a tunnel with someone inside it. Then I saw eyes everywhere, lots and lots of very large eyes. I batted the apprehension and fear of the unknown down pretty well.

The second time was not as OK. I was trying to sleep and felt like total ♥♥♥♥. I woke up from a dream then it happened again. During the static/humm part I heard a males voice say "Oh My God". I think this just could have been an affect of the fluxuation in the humming, creating a noise that sounded like words, but then I really don't know for sure. Or it could have been me? (even though I'm female?)

I went out to have a smoke and when I came back in, everything was in strobe vision. I read a post on this site about this, I guess it's a good thing.

That humming/static noise is so loud! It wakes me up when I'm sleeping. I've been having this type of experience quite frequently lately. Really trippy stuff indeed.

CFTraveler
2nd February 2006, 01:54 PM
It could be OBE but my guess would probably be an 'astral' pre OB experience. Most of the stuff sound like hypnagogia and astral noise, and in my experience the sound effects go away when I'm completely out. (not the visuals, though). The only thing I can say is when I'm ready to OB these effects get really strong- as if my batteries are getting ready to discharge.

2nd February 2006, 03:11 PM
Thanks CF. It happened again last night too.

Also, the feeling of me leaving my body when I hear that buzzing hum takes my breath away. The sound does go away when I push through, it feels like I'm pushing through a barrier of sorts, if that makes any sense.

What is hypnagogia? Sorry, I'm not very well read on this subject. :oops:

Thanks so much!

russmi3
2nd February 2006, 10:46 PM
Scymitar, I believe you are getting close to OBE, you WILL know beyond doubt when you in fact go OBE. I am relatively new to all this too, it is very exciting!! If you want too, read "russmi3 AP log" in the OBE forum. I update all my experiences there.

You are absolutely correct that the pre-OBE experiences are breathtaking and "a real trip" I have had many ( I have projected 5-6 times now). I have heard my son talking, my wife, others, music, whooshing, cellophane being crinkled, etc.

For your info, from my reading this is "hypnogogic"

Between being awake and falling asleep, your mind enters the hypnogogic phase. In this stage you begin to lose touch with the world around you without showing the physiological stages of sleep. Pictures form inside our heads like still or moving pictures and although you may have never noticed them, they are there.

The opposite of this, the sleeping to awake period is "hypnopompic"

Have fun!!! Keep in touch if you like.....

CFTraveler
3rd February 2006, 01:14 AM
Like russmi said:
Between being awake and falling asleep, your mind enters the hypnogogic phase. In this stage you begin to lose touch with the world around you without showing the physiological stages of sleep. Pictures form inside our heads like still or moving pictures and although you may have never noticed them, they are there.
It's the stage where you actually start to dream but are still awake- you will see pictures in front of your eyes (as opposed to in your imagination) and if you focus on them you'll be pulled into then as a regular dream. In this state you still can pull back your mind to stay out of the dream, or jump in and fall asleep. You can "watch tv" or dream. This is the phase, which can bring you into the OBE state. Or fall asleep. :wink:

3rd February 2006, 02:21 AM
This is the phase, which can bring you into the OBE state. Or fall asleep. :wink:

Thanks so much. These things seem to happen after waking from a very intense, almost lucid dream. Last night, it was very weird, I heard a female asking me "Do you hear that? It's the transport" (or something very close to that), then I listened, and I heard that background humming noise slowly get louder and louder. Could this be a manifestation of the self telling me that the time was right for an OBE??

Anyway, I was tired, so I decided to sleep instead. I felt like I missed out on something, oh well, I needed the rest. :wink:

You know, with all that's happened in the last 6 weeks, it's hard to believe I was ever a staunch skeptic. How can one deny the realness of these experiences when they are so darn vivid and intense? Not me, not anymore! :)

I do have another question - what will I see when I do finally OBE? I'm nervous that I might see beings I might not be ready to see yet (still working on a little touch of fear I have about this). Or do you see those types of beings when you AP? Is AP different than OBE? I guess you can say all AP's are OBE's but not all OBE's are AP's? As you can see, I'm a little fuzzy on this issue...

CFTraveler
3rd February 2006, 01:56 PM
IMO they're all projections- some internal, some external (OBE). There are lots of technical terms, but I won't bother with them- I'll just describe what I go through, and you decide how you want to classify this.
First, I'm a spontaneous projector, all through my life, and this year I started doing it deliberately (through MAP.). So here is an example of an OBE.
I am reclining (this works best for me)never sure if I'm paralyzed, but usually I am, I start to feel as if I'm rocking/spinning/disconnected but in my body. Sometimes I'll feel the vibrations, I'll hear some sort of astral noise, like a mechanical/electronic noise (slow like a lawn mower up to fast like buzzing or humming-usually loud.) At this point I have astral sight- I can see through my eyelids. It looks like my environment in the dark/twilight, sometimes a bit distorted. I will then attempt an exit technique. If I'm rocking, I'll try to rock (launch) myself away from my body- if not I'll try a 'standard' exit technique (rope, net, etc.) Depending on how stuck to my body I am, I may hear a loud 'pop' or 'crack' (like a firecracker going off). Then I'm off. Now the trick is to get away from your body as fast as possible. This can be easy or difficult (it's always a different experience). You may find yourself floating. At first it's weird to be floating, because you have to learn to 'navigate'. After a while you don't even think about it anymore. It's because your will takes you where you want to go- But when the experience is new, things like floating become a big wonderful awesome thing and you can spend a lot of time learning to do it. From then on, a lot is intention- do you want to go around your house? to an 'alternate/astral/other plane/fill in the blank' then you go from there.
In my experience when you do this for the first time, you will see the 'real time zone' which is a 'shadowy' version of physical reality. You may see other people, but usually they are your guides or someone that was there anyway and are not really paying attention to you.
About scary things: All experiences are different to everyone- I am 48 and only have seen scary things in the last 10 years of my life. In other words, I've been projecting since 7-8+ and only have seen scary things in the last 10 of about 40. That's 30 years of happy-go-lucky traveling. So this may give you an idea of how it is for me. However, I have had sleep paralysis with scary apparitions, ghostly apparitions, and hypnopompic hallucinations. (Which are probably all the same, anyway.) They don't happen while I OBE and are probably a product of how my mind works.
The other type of projection (I call it Astral there, for they start as OBEs and end up as a different type of experience). I get out, then see a whirpool/doorway/portal or guide, go through it and end up in a different realm. Usually they are gardenlike, with lakes and fantastic views. Ocassionally there may be a building where I go in, but usually it's a cartoonlike/Computer-animated looking place, and it's main characteristic is that there is no sound (usually). These are probably projections into the 'astral' or 'mental' or even 'dreams' but I don't know. In these is where the majority of my interactions are, and sometimes I have encountered not-so-friendly inhabitants.
For the baddies: I have only encountered them in transitional phases: When I'm in the RTZ and going astral, or while in the astral (see above) and going back to the RTZ or another 'astral' realm.

3rd February 2006, 03:58 PM
Wow CF! That is super helpful.

I remember a dream I had when I was about 9 or 10. It was one of the most vivid dreams I have ever had. I was in a cartoon land place and there was no sound at all - in fact, I could see people's thoughts in the form of cartoon dialogue bubbles. I wonder if this was perhaps an early experience.

Anyway, thanks so much, that helps a lot. :wink:

Shirley
6th February 2006, 11:48 PM
How do you deal with the fear? I've seen/felt some creepy things today while trying to sleep, i think i was in trance. It was so real I would swear I was being possessed or something. As a normal reaction I was always getting scared and waking up everytime these things appeared to bug me.
Ufff...horrible night sleep...
Is this only creation of my mind? I get scared before I can convince myself it's only illusions...and it messes up the trance...How can I control this? :(

russmi3
9th February 2006, 02:14 AM
Just a couple of extra thoughts on fears/evil entities:

I have only encountered 1 weird thing in 1 OBE. It was a "black dog??" It was growling at me, I threw something at it, and then upon my thought to get away I was back in body.

1. Don't dwell on running into bad things before trying. ( I focus on good things I have seen and want to explore more).

2. Don't try to project if you are in a bad mood or had a bad day.

3. I now look forward to the sensations of pre OBE, they are freaky, but also neat and I keep that in mind. (Tough but it helps). The sounds, buzzing and lofty feelings are brief, just get by them.

4. I have not read anywhere of actual physical injury to anyone. And most attacks by entities can be either fought off, left by moving on, or just coming back to body. (Yes, some have had entities attach to them, but I haven't........yet............that I know of :D ).

CFTraveler
9th February 2006, 03:02 AM
How do you deal with the fear? I've seen/felt some creepy things today while trying to sleep, i think i was in trance. It was so real I would swear I was being possessed or something. As a normal reaction I was always getting scared and waking up everytime these things appeared to bug me.
Ufff...horrible night sleep...
Is this only creation of my mind? I get scared before I can convince myself it's only illusions...and it messes up the trance...How can I control this? :(

When you OBE (as in dream) you can create whatever you give energy/emotion to, and it's immediate. So if you're already afraid of something you can bet you'll create it and experience it in 'front of you' which is more impressive than having a dream or a thought. There are a few ways around this: 1) Don't give anything negative strenghth. Don't fear it. Is it possible? To some, not necessarily to me. 2) Perform a ritual to tell you you're safe. Pray, (whatever your religion is). Use wards, holy water, whatever it takes to feel safe. And 3) Know yourself really well- look at whatever you fear and get used to it and stop fearing it, not by hiding or running away, but by knowing what you're afraid of. This helps but takes time and effort.
The thing is that it may just be illusions, but they're illusions created by your subconscious, who knows you better than you do, and to create peace in your inner journey you have to be ok with every aspect of yourself, even the aspects you don't like, or are afraid of. Is this easy? Hell no. But it's worth it.