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If this is so, the changes to the DNA aren't showing up in the next generation of human children, well not in an obvious way. This is, when you consider how long they've been interfering/intervening (if we're to run with the suggestions Hancock makes in his book). It's possible they haven't gotten the next big change right yet or that it's simply not conspicuous.Quote:
Maybe we finally know the purpose of the 'greys' with their weird experiments on abductees?
Ah, but the UFO-abductees don't tell of being changed, they tell of being probed, measured & poked - that smacks more of the evaluation phase than an active change time.
Apparently the next 'punctuation is set for 12 after 20... :lol:
But more seriously...
It makes sense that DNA would be created with potential but not certainty - unless it was specific to a planet & to a plan, the uncertainties would be way beyond calculation, & the more complex the original DNA, the wilder the calculations get. An remember we have no record of highly complex organisms (in a DNA sense) at the beginning - bacteria, even those that produce the stromatolites, are simple compared to mammals.
The idea of producing a simple set that somehow moves into complexity, while still maintaining a complex language structure is difficult to conceive.
But creating a simple set with potential, & then guiding it as it grows, makes the concept much easier to envisage.
Now, if altered consciousness provides a repeatable access to a relam as consistent as Hancock shows it to be, then the obvious experiment monitors would be the beings encountered within that realm - they could sample, monitor & adjust across time as humans found their way into higher consciousness.
Now if you add in the 2% of the population claimed as 'natural' altered state (AS) experiencers, maybe we're talking about the 'controls' for the experiment - predisposed to AS, they would be regularly available for testing even if the hallucinogen route was unavailable.
Keep in mind the experimenters don't actually have to change the genome radically - they can make very minor changes, wait for it to percolate through the populace, & then alter the environment to ensure it becomes dominant.
We already know that humans have an attraction towards particular types of strangers - it is claimed it is to ensure genetic diversity but given it goes often against the social lines acceptable in society, it is a strange choice for evolution to make - too many of the choices wind up with the chooser becoming an outcast from their peers.
Just speculating...
They tell of seeing hybrid offspring too.Quote:
Ah, but the UFO-abductees don't tell of being changed, they tell of being probed, measured & poked - that smacks more of the evaluation phase than an active change time.
That's a long time for evaluation but I guess nothing happens quickly with evolution.
Or percolate through time.Quote:
Keep in mind the experimenters don't actually have to change the genome radically - they can make very minor changes, wait for it to percolate through the populace,
So, how they might alter the environment boggles the mind. Could be subtle, gradual and sporadic or obvious, sudden and pervasive.Quote:
& then alter the environment to ensure it becomes dominant.
I've seen docos that suggest the opposite, that xenophobia is to some degree hardwired. Then again, I saw something the other night that suggested close association between Neanderthals and Homo Sapien Sapiens, to the point of shared hunting, exchange of culture and cohabitation.Quote:
We already know that humans have an attraction towards particular types of strangers
Particular?Quote:
...particular types of strangers
So maybe a social, spiritual evolutionary process must take place first?Quote:
...but given it goes often against the social lines acceptable in society, it is a strange choice for evolution to make - too many of the choices wind up with the chooser becoming an outcast from their peers.
The premise underlying our speculation is that the beings are benevolent, huh?
Yes but the offspring seem to have problems & suffer from a lack of vitality - they might also be the test beds to see where the changes are leading.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
Like Precession of the Equinoxes, combined with Obliquity? Maybe also the subtle budging of comet or asteroidal bodies? Perhaps the sudden changes like the abrupt rise of sea levels overnight to reduce a civilisation to isolated pockets of primitive groups who can be influenced by a stranger arriving with new ways to do things?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
Xenophobia may be hardwired but sex drive is something else. And there's quite a bit of info about how we are attracted to those who aren't 'local.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
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...particular types of strangers
Those who smell good...Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
Well there's pretty solid evidence across the western world as well as Asia that something like one in four children of supposedly stable families are not the progeny of the man of the family. Big sample sizes too... So maybe the sex drive over-rides the social pressures & always has?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
Um... really? Why would that be so? Even if the originators of the experiment were such, there's no guarantee their inheritors are. This comes back to the discussion as to whether this game is as it was meant to be or whether it might have become corrupted along the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
But they seemed to be getting on top of that. At least that's the impression I got. *Scratches head* Jeez we get into some weird conversations on these boards.Quote:
Yes but the offspring seem to have problems & suffer from a lack of vitality - they might also be the test beds to see where the changes are leading.
Obliquity I think I get but Precession of the Equinoxes you'll have to explain.Quote:
Like Precession of the Equinoxes, combined with Obliquity?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
I'm going to have to read Hancock on Atlantis, I see. If these entities can move back and forth in time, then it's possible, I guess, that they could do such enormous things and have a fair idea that that'll move things in the direction they consider desirable.Quote:
Maybe also the subtle budging of comet or asteroidal bodies? Perhaps the sudden changes like the abrupt rise of sea levels overnight to reduce a civilisation to isolated pockets of primitive groups who can be influenced by a stranger arriving with new ways to do things?
Poor dinosaurs.
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Xenophobia may be hardwired but sex drive is something else. And there's quite a bit of info about how we are attracted to those who aren't 'local.'Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
[quote:2bqltky6]...particular types of strangers
Those who smell good...[/quote:2bqltky6]Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
*Sniffs the air* By the way, have I told you about my sexy dog?
:lol:
Actually the same research found a big proportion of those babies had DNA related to the father, just not the father. Normally, the infidelity would occur with someone within the society so the difference wouldn't always be conspicuous. That wouldn't necessarily prove sex drive routinely overrides social pressures only that if people (and animals- because they do it too) can get away with it, they will.Quote:
Well there's pretty solid evidence across the western world as well as Asia that something like one in four children of supposedly stable families are not the progeny of the man of the family. Big sample sizes too... So maybe the sex drive over-rides the social pressures & always has?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
What I meant, anyway, is that we may have to evolve greater tolerance before we're ready to accept the new wave of humans, even if they look the same.
I was clarifying. Your question answered mine.Quote:
Um... really? Why would that be so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
It's possibly a familiar scenario: technological progress outstripping ethical development.Quote:
Even if the originators of the experiment were such, there's no guarantee their inheritors are. This comes back to the discussion as to whether this game is as it was meant to be or whether it might have become corrupted along the way.
Precession happens because of the wobble as the Earth spins. Recent more accurate measurements have suggested there's a problem with this view - Earth doesn't precess as much compared with the rest of the Solar System as it does with the Galaxy at large. ie. the whole Solar System is 'precessing' a little - Earth just does it a bit more. The suggestion I saw is the SS is precessing with relation to Sirius.
There are a variety of effects from the peculiarities of the Earth. Precession means the sun rises on the vernal equinox (morning of March 22) in a slightly different place as the years roll by - it marches backwards through the constellations at a rate of 1º per 72 years, full cycle is 25,920 years, each constellation gets approx 2160. This is how the Ages change - where the sun rises on that date determines which 'sign' we are living in.
Obliquity changes the angle at which the Earth leans towards the sun, changing the amount of solar radiation arriving at any given time. From memory the obliquity cycle is around 42,000 years.
The lack of co-ordination between Earth day & Earth year also causes a 'movement' - the vernal equinox 'slips' by a quarter day each year around the orbit, so eventually there comes a time when it occurs all the way around the orbit.
This matters because the Earth orbit is not a perfect circle but an ellipse. When the Northern hemisphere is at its greatest angle to the sun (leaning further away from it) & winter comes to the North when the Earth is at aphelion (furthest away from the sun in the orbit) we get an ice age.
Along with this are the movements of the Solar System around the galaxy, which isn't a straight circle as it kind of bobs above & below the plane of the galaxy, the passage through spiral arms (we've not long come out of the Sirius arm I think) & how the angle of the ecliptic changes in relation to the ecliptic of the galaxy. The lining up with the galactic ecliptic is supposed to be happening now, with full line up being in 2012 - another of those annoying little 'coincidences' that make the 2012 theory so interesting.
You can see that there is any amount of room for manipulation of these things if one simply had the means. I've seen 2 schemes for how to move a planet in SciFi which are theoretically available to us (given we'd need to reach the planet with manufacturing capacity) We could move large asteroids now if we could get nuclear bombs to them.
There is solid evidence things have drastically altered in the past due to 'heavenly' influences. It doesn't have to be as dramatic as an asteroid - Charles Hapgood theorises the Earth had a 'crustal slip' within recent times & the cause could have been the close approach of an asteroid. (Einstein thought the off-centre build up of ice at the South Pole would have been enough to cause it.
There are a couple of super-volcanoes that could do the job as well - Yellowstone is past due to go off - if seems to 'tcik' every 650,000 years & it's been more than that since the last one - that's a volcano with a mouth 70 miles across!
These are just a few of the possibilities for 'altering' society to allow a restart in a new direction.
The parentage issue I mentioned simply to show it's an ongoing & endemic problem. But there is research behind the idea that, if we can, we choose to mate (but not necessarily bond) with strangers - it could be an imperative mandated by our genome - sexual reproduction gives protection from attack - sexual reproduction with strangers gives a wider range of possibilities.
It could also be something brought to us by the experimenters to make sure we don't reject the 'implants' needed to swing the planetary genome in a desired direction. :lol:
If I was a new human, I'd make sure I stayed concealed - I doubt an exposed new human would survive very long at all.
I'm partway through this interview on human alien hybrids and it occurs to me that it resonates with things Hancock talks about in his book, http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fczhd...eature=related
wow, thats all I can say, sounds like a fun read :D