'spose I will, tempestuous me :mrgreen:
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'spose I will, tempestuous me :mrgreen:
It's Friday here- are we all going to post what our dreams are on Sunday and then BeeK will reveal what it is, or are we going to post on Sat what our dreams were and what we think the symbols were, and she then reveals it on Sunday? I think my Sat. is her Sunday, so I don't want to jump the gun....
OR, (and I think this one is better):
Beekeper posts "Ok kiddies, it's time to post your dreams" and then we all post (or fill in, as in my case) and come to our conclusions, and then when we're all done she posts the actual symbol.
What do y'all think?
that's what i'd suggest.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFTraveler
folk's posts might trigger memories of overlooked details...
Well, I wonder why is it a problem now to stick to Beekeeper's original plan? Beekeeper posted that everybody please post an "I'm ready" here when it is Sunday morning/afternoon for them, so that everybody is through with 7 nights of dreams (or dreamless nights :wink: respectively). Isn't that still the best way?
For the time zone earlier ones it might be Sunday evening (night?) then, before we can start analysing - or we get to discuss it all on Monday only...
However, I don't think anybody should post dream content before, not on Saturday either. I really think it might influence the others and lead them onto the wrong path. It might also lead to frustration if there is not any similarity to the posted stuff and one might think that oneself is on the wrong track completely. :(
(I still think I might be anyway :wink: )
Also, I don't think that everybody should post then all of his/her dreams first, it might be too much text to read and seems not effective to me. I consider it more effective to apply the individual filters first and only then do the group filtering by our discussion.
There will be enough time then to go into detail or add more dreams if we don't find anything on our first round of probing and sifting by comparing the personal favourites.
:idea: That's why I would suggest the following procedure:
After everybody has posted his/her "Ready" (4 dreamer participants if I counted correctly: Korpo, CFTraveler, EyeOneBlack, Volgerle), then we could wait for a second round of posts from each one drawing up his/her own filtered "top list" of say 3 dream symbols (or more if felt necessary).
After one has posted his/her list this should not be commented on immediatly by another participant, not until the last of the 4 dream musketeers has posted his top-3 (or top-4, 5...) list.
Then, in a 3rd round among the 4 dreamers, we discuss it all in our posts and replies, as usual, and finally (step 3b if you like) pull up a final chart list from all 4 top-lists and/or from our discussion (which might be a complicated undertaking - but maybe also fun :P ).
We do this by looking at similarities or coincidences among these personal "charts". Maybe there are already some striking similarities. If not, or not enough, we look further down the personal lists and post more. And of course, if s.o. has a dream in the personal top list that another one had further down on the list, he/she will report on this immediately anyway.
That means that #1 will be our definite guess as to what the dream symbol is. But we have further alternatives then, just to be on the safe side.
Finally, step 4, and only then, Beekeeper unveils the symbol, Neil confirming it.
Step 5: Then we are either :lol: or :( depending on the outcome. Or we try to paraphrase our initial guesses further to make them fit the solution somehow. In other words: we apply the art of Creative Interpretation. :mrgreen:
That's the procedure I would suggest. How about that approach?
That would be best, Volgerie. That way everyone gives it their best shot. Also, if after all that anyone wants to publish their complete dreaming for the session or entrust it to Neil, if they did hit the dream sign but didn't realise it, it's still a matter of public record or something Neil can support.
So, everyone, wait until you've had 7 nights of dream opportunity ( I won't say dreaming because I'm up, prematurely, because of work stress and not dreaming - or meditating as planned either :cry: ). Then post the word "ready". Then, go for it; I'll try to restrain myself while you chat away. I suspect it will be hard. You then tell me when to post the dream sign.
Anyone else who has been following the experiment but not actively participated in it who suddenly finds himself/herself resonating with the conversation is free to comment, of course.
I've detected a new occurrence in a couple of my dreams and I'm curious to know if it's something from one of you guys. Neil might find the same.
It's not a problem at all, but because of the time differences I thought it might have been easier if Beek. gave the signal.Quote:
Well, I wonder why is it a problem now to stick to Beekeeper's original plan?
But that's OK, it's all the same to me, as long as it's consistent.
Yesterday I was dreaming away and woke up realizing I wasn't remembering a think. So I reminded myself to pay attention. And when I went back to dreaming remembering this and that and this and this - it was more than I could bother with, so I went back to my A.D.D. ways and when I woke up I really didn't remember a think. :evil: :( :? :P
I'll be Saturday for me in just 3 hours but I want to put in a good meditation before I post 'ready' which will be about 12 hours from now. (I'll have to eat and sleep first).
Richard
I woke from my seventh night since we started.
Ready.
Oliver
My dream journal for the period has been sent to Neil's messages.
Ready.
Is that what we're supposed to do? Send our dream journals to Neil? Makes sense.
Richard
oh. :shock:
Stupid me. Now I noted, of course, I've made a mistake, the last night was the last one. :oops:
I always thought of Sunday for finalising.
So today (sat) we already start.
I won't send my entire dreams to Neil, just a filtered shortlist with some enhancements. Still, will take some time to prepare it.
Please wait a while (not ready yet .. but soon :wink: ).
(* gets hectic and frantic now...*)
I always mark my dreams with the day preceding the night.
Saturday, 17th
Dream 1: Arguing with my mother about recent events.
Dream 2: This one was extremely long, but I already basically knew while having it that this would be one of these long dreams I don't remember much from. One piece was weird, and I marked it - it seems like there was a war or crisis and they were "mobilising the reserves." But the guys were all WW1 veterans (but not that old) and running to catch a bus (or train?). They were all wearing German spiked helmets. That was so odd, it did register. ;)
Sunday, 18th
Dream 1: I somehow dreamt that Beekeeper was there. It was about taking a test. Somehow there was the mentioning of doing the test on steroids, and that didn't seem right, but nobody seemed to care.
Monday, 19th
Dream 1: We were trying to pot a plant, tried to trim it down, but it started to stick brokkoli in the cut ends, brought something in (a pot?), <something I cannot decipher> and wandered out. I remember thinking that this must have been a mischievous nature spirit having fun with us.
Tuesday, 20th
Dream 1: I'm dreaming about the new apartment I'm gonna move to IRL. There's some sort of "preview room" I can enter and I do so for short times to prepare myself for upcoming events. I don't remember what happened there, just that there was this preview room.
Wednesday, 21st
Dream 1: Sex dream. Followed by a short snippet of a co-worker offending a manager.
Dream 2: Two friends, one a co-worker seem to help me move. One is a cute girl I seem to have a crush on in the dream. At some point I catch them making out in the bathroom (weird scene, totally weird perspective changes once I walked through that door until I leave the room). When I ask my co-worker about it later he says "Well, it happens." This moment his wife calls him on his mobile and tells him the mayor is sick.
Dream 3: High school friend and co-worker. I'm in a toy store, I guess. It seems like the TV is showing American Football. I track the progress of the team trying to achieve a "first down" with the help of soda cups that I fill with cola and putting them on a pattern on the floor. (This seems to be somehow related to LEGO in the dream, so maybe I need to "Leggo (of) cola" ;) ) Somehow they have big trouble achieving first down - they get stalled by a very clever player on the defence line. As the commentator talks about him I see a deep black background (that's all I see) and when he says the nickname of the player is "rubber band" a rubber band appears in that space.
Thursday, 22nd
Dream 1: I dream of trying to learn the Hendrix piece "Jam Back at the House," but I am worried that I seem to not have my sheet music with me. Now it switches over that I'm being told about some music history, supposedly - some new-formed band of four black teenagers seemed to have revolutionized the blues scene forever. The commentator said "This is not only the equivalent of designing a BMW-E .... (What's that supposed to be, anway? They don't make such a car) overnight, but also instantly being able to control it when barreling down a road with 120."
Friday, 23rd
Dream 1: My son visited me in a dream and runs around, happily playing, for a long time. Then he tries to topple the ironing board, but the hot iron misses him - thank goodness.
Dream 2: Woke remembering nothing but it must have involved pirates. And/or ninjas. That spells trouble! :lol:
There were rather few dream symbols out of the ordinary. So unless it is a spiked helmet, brokkoli, American Football, LEGO, cola, pirates, ninjas, a hot iron, the mayor or steroids (and I would be surprised if it was anything like that) then - no idea. Oh, and rubber band.
Oliver
Ready. (also sent notes to Neil).
Ready. Posting the signs, and the dreams will go in my journal. Am putting them together as we speak.
So I see all 4 have given the "ready" message.
Here's my top 3 list I decided on:
1. Animals popping up in my own appartment
The first two nights, a nice and funny animal visited me in my appartment
I never dreamt of "animals visiting me in my flat" before, so there might be a strange recurring theme / pattern (PET-tern? :)).
In detail:
a little yellow bird or even chicken hatchling (first night)
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a young fox terrier (or poodle) (second night)
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excerpts from the original entries copied here:
first night:
"nice little yellow bird or even a sweet little chicken hatchling in the bathroom running around, a bit stressed, chirping all the time; it is sweet; making himself wet going through a puddle of water there (flooding again?), then shaking itself like a dog getting rid of the water, then running on; then I lead it out into the living room, open the balcony door to let it out"
Still, this was the clearest and most "alien" dream of the week so I was sure then it is not "my" dream entirely. It was also very pleasant, sweet and nice to remember.
Note: the "flooding again" relates to the flooding of my appartment I had 4-5 weeks ago, most of it was in the bathroom, so the water fits, this dream is followed by a double false awakening.
second night:
"a white fox terrier or poodle rushes in after I opened the door and almost runs me down, licks me, plays with me
sweet, nice little (almost) puppy terrier, a bit thin though"
Note: the dog belongs to a woman that visited me before, I did not know her, but asked her if she was a girl I knew as Sandra due to similarity, she said no, but that she knows Sandra, then she says that her dog is outside in the lobby. I hear it rumbling, that is when the door opened , or I opened it, not sure, and the dog comes in (rest see entries above).
Prior to this I felt myself in the bed with a projection attempt having vibrations, I heard a kind of "neg voice" but later turning friendly, a middle-aged (40-50) woman sitting at my bed (appears like a nurse to me) and talking to me (don't know what), then after that the other younger woman appeared in my room, the one that resembled "Sandra" and sent in the dog playing with me.
When I took down the notes of this dream when awake, I still had that slight tingling/shivering all over my body I usually feel after waking up from a dream/lucid dream or even projection attempt (mostly failed ones with vibrations), so there might be "more" to it, however that "more" can be defined.
2. Blue paint on hand
I touch a wall and have blue paint on my hands.
Later on, I go to the river to wash it off. When I do this some of my belongings almost fall in to the water to float off, but I manage to grab them all.
3. Cellar (parental home)
A recurring theme is the basement in the house of my parents. I meet a blonde girl sorting stuff there (talking about a scholarship she has now and that she won't therefore be working here any longer). Also in another dream I am kind of hiding in the shadows, even melting with the shadows or walls, but not out of fear. It is rather like playing a game.
Instead of sending the entire dreams to Neil, I will post the dream symbols I discerned from the dreams themselves. Then I'll post the dream themselves in my journal, and anyone can go see the dreams themselves and see if they see something I didn't.
I consistently got a square object many of the days. Sometimes there was a voice telling me "this is the dream sign' and sometimes there was a vision screen in between or after dreams, and I soon saw a relationship between them.
Here they are:
1) 7/17/10 Dreamed something about Beekeeper moving to an apartment and getting ready for it. Cleaning house, etc.
As I awoke I saw what looked like a block of cheddar cheese.
2) Object: A medium-sized box, about the color and size of a Whithman's Sampler (mustard yellow). Second object- a rectangular piece of cake, as part of a larger rectangular cake. The piece is darker than the rest of the cake, like a brownie.
3)No recall, no object.
4)Symbols: Collapsible spoon (looked somewhat like a swiss army knife), credit card and a table.
5)Symbol- As I was waking up from a dream, I was not shown the image of the object, and was given instead a 'non disclosure agreement' which I refused adamantly. Then I woke up.
6) " - A stack of funny money. Later circumstances makes me think this was a precog event and not the symbol itself. However, I noted it because of the shape.
7) Probably a personal dream, no symbol that I can recall.
Well, no overlap so far... :?
Oliver
I have a dog (actually 4 or 5, one of which was a small white terrier tho I didn't note that one in the journal - it was our fox terrier from childhood).
I have a rectangular creamy colored label with 'writing' across the bottom - it was the supposed UPC for a roast or CHICKEN.
I have money, $83.74 and also $11 and some change. If I plot 8374 on the Tree of Life (like I do most everything) I get a rectangle (rhombus I think, narrower on one end) or a sideways 'Z' if I plot the action.
I'm debating where to put my dreams - maybe start my own journal? One is pretty amazing, has an alien in it, maybe there. I don't know.
Oh, when I so tempestuously announced that I have it! :roll: I was thinking of the Egyptian Heiroglyph for serpent - a wavy line.
Richard
maybe it is not a single object ... maybe it is rather a more abstract concept
how about that: Beekeeper popping up in / moving into an appartment.
everybody mentions Beekeeper and an appartment (own or Beekeeper's)
the animals I saw popping up in my appartment could well represent Beekeeper (actually my conceptualisation of Beekeeper could be based on nice animals, which might be imprinted by his/her giraffe avatar and part of the name - bee)
CFT mentions beekeeper moving into an appartment as one entire dream.
Korpo and Beekeeper, if I understand it right, are moving into new appartments or changing appartments in "RL". So there might be a "theme" here.
There is also talk about cleaning, making renovations. In a dream I had blue paint on my hands when touching a wall (ok, that is quite a stretch now...)
Korpo, you say "beekeeper was somehow there" .
Question: Where is "there" - your home possibly? And how do you visualise Beekeeper in dreams (with a picture, a concept?)?
Lastly, Beekeeper him/herself wrote in this thread:
"I don't worry when recall declines a bit - it always returns and sometimes it's because I'm doing interesting things like popping in on friends."
What does this mean? :shock:
Does 'popping in on friends' relate more metaphorically to his/her symbol-sending-activity or the literal content of the sent symbol / message?
Well, I'm just brainstorming now, doing associations. (Creative Interpretation starts already :mrgreen: )
:shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
do you mean "you have a dog / small white terrier" in your dreams this week - or that you had a dog in your childhood in RL - just referring to my dream of a white terrier?
(btw. as a very small child the first pet of our household I grew up with was indeed a fox terrier, too. But I hardly have memories of the dog and I did not identify the dream terrier with my childhood terrier)
:shock:
Beekeper's a lady.
I did see some overlap in one of the symbols, a label and the money with my 'boxy' objects and the 'agreement' I was supposed to sign and my 'funny money' vision. Interesting how a lot of people saw animals (except me).
I was referring to my dream journal (has a dog). :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
I'm going to put my journal for this experiment up by itself because it's pretty long and if you guys want you can read it over :) .
I've known Beekeeper for years - well online, that is. I don't remember seeing her in the dream, I just remember that it was Beekeeper.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
Cheers,
Oliver
I notice first of my dreams continues the theme 'moving in'. Hmmm. There are really so many possibilites I'll have to wait until I have more time to jam on what might be a clue or clues. :?:
e1b,
wow, nice, so we would have a first "direct hit" with this one :!: :)
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of course, (playing the scoffer now), it might be pure accident still
(moreover, I suppose, just a synchronicity between us two and not related to Beekeeper's symbol)
It's not the symbol but it did get into one of my dreams with a bunch of other little dogs, though it's not mentioned specifically. :wink:
What hue was the blue paint, Volgerie? We've just painted a feature wall blue in our new house and I'm quite taken with it.
Describe your female visitors. I did ask benevolent, higher order spirit beings to get involved in the experiment if they felt they could help.
I've read what you guys have published. This time the dream sign didn't come up but there were some interesting little overlaps between my dreams and what everyone one else dreamt, as you'll see. Let me know when you'd like me to publish the sign and my dreams for the week.
BTW, when I record my dreams, I date it for the morning I wake up. I'm also in Australia.
wow, this is getting pretty amazing now, so we've got a third hit for a white terrier(-like) little dogQuote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
this really could be a group dreaming element now :P
difficult, I don't remember how exactly it looked (just saw it on my hands, not the wall itself, or at least I don't remember how it looked on the wall). generally it was not too dark, but not too light either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
if I take this colour box, I would maybe go for the square on the lower row on the left, maybe also lower right or the very middle one (middle row+column), but I cannot be sure
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Maybe it also helps to give a clearer description of the (rather more unpleasant) situation before meeting the women:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
After my vibrations had ceased again resultless - as almost always :( - I had given up on projection attempts, therefore I finally could see (in dream state I suppose). I'd been blind before that, trying to project "in the dark" while only hearing voices which I first thought to be "neg" voices teasing me a bit, but I am now not so sure anymore what they were.
I remember controlling my anger and shouting at the voices "I love you". That might sound very stupid now, but I read once that if you greet any "negs" with helpfulness or even show love and understanding, they usually run off or disappear, that's why I did it. Well, maybe it even worked. (I also heard s.o. say back to me "I love you" ,a bit mimicking though).
Then the first woman was sitting at my bed, somehow she appeared a bit like a nurse to me :)
Cannot say if she was the one that had said back "ILY" before, but I also cannot rule it out either.
This first lady was older than the second woman, (approx. in her forties) she looked friendly although I think she did not smile, she also looked a bit rigorous (maybe a real nurse sterotype :wink: ). She had brown or dark hair. She said sth, but I don't know what our talk was about. (Not sure: It might be that she held a syringe and it looked like she had given me a shot just before - a job a nurse normally does; but I did not panic, if this was the case it wasn't sth harmful but a rather helpful injection - maybe one "making me see?" :wink: ).
then there was little a switch of situation, but still in my appartment, I was out of bed when I saw the second woman, she reminded me of Sandra, a girl I knew from my university times in the 90ies, I approched her as she was lying down on my living room couch; I was kind of hovering, floating above her while talking to her (maybe this even had some slight sexual connotations, but no real action was going on .. :wink: :lol: :oops: ). I asked her if she was Sandra and she said smiling to me "no, but I know her well" ( it could be I said sth like she may please remind her of me and give her my regards)
this second woman had brown hair, wore glasses, and I think it was beige or light brown trousers, a darker sun-tanned skin (like s.o. who likes sunny beaches), probably in her middle or later 20ies
(actually, and which makes me wonder now, she more resembled a girl I knew as Tanya, from the same period as Sandra actually - in the 90ies, but I know I asked for Sandra)
then she looked to the left and said that she brought her dog with her, thus came the rumbling sounds from a lobby (which is the point where the layout of my flat does not coincide with the dream appartment anymore, normally at the direction of her gaze my kitchen would have been), then the opened door, and enter the sweet little white terrier, rest of story known
both were nice women, the first and older one, however, a bit more strict and aloof (but not unfriendly). However, I cannot say if they looked 'angelic' to me in any way, although s.o. appearing as a nurse can always interpreted to be an angel.
I will have a look at your dreams, of course.
This was the lady that was my mother's aid caring for departed Dad (Ernie's Vacation).Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
And Beekeeper, I think we will find more connections to your dream sign - with a stretch of the imagination, but with my RV experiments it was that stretch that really made a difference. We'll see, maybe not.
Can't wait for your journal and the sign.
[panting and wagging my tail]
:lol: :lol: :lol: I'm looking forward to the sharing of thoughts at the end. We can see then if we want to try another experiment and what shape we'd like it to take. So far, I'm thinking I'm probably a better "receiver" than "transmitter." :DQuote:
Can't wait for your journal and the sign.
[panting and wagging my tail]
I've encountered nurses before too (not for quite some while).
Not orange huh? Probably a platinum blue as you asked Volgerle about the blue and the mercury vapor light of the first dream gives off a silvery blue light. Is there a sky blue circle in a square? There were two and were they alike?, that was the proplem. That's from this mornings dream but it was too sketchy to bother with.
I'm pulling my hair out here (and I don't have any to spare :lol: )
Richard the Patient, Who Listens to Trees, Who Let's the Universe Unfold as it Should, who...
Arghhhhh! :evil:
This much I'll give you: it was purple. I chose that colour because when other people tell me they've dreamt of me, they often say I was somehow associated with purple.
Okay, come on, just tell.
Oliver
Well, I don't think CF will mind as she's posted her dreams and I too am becoming impatient :D . So here it is:
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Dream Sharing Experiment
First Night
Sunday 18th July, 2010
A lot of dreaming but not a lot of recall (which isn’t very handy :cry: )
“Flying the Chair to Schoolâ€
I’m flying on an armchair. I land at a school in an external environment where people are gathered. We’re off on an excursion. I leave my chair there and we travel by another mode of transport, train perhaps. Later in the dream I’ll remember my chair and vaguely worry about leaving it there.
I realise I’m wearing a daggy red t-shirt but I’m carrying a camisole that is pretty and somehow related to Christmas. I put it over my t-shirt, even though it’s not really a practical thing to do.
There’s not much else I can recall about this dream other than being a student, not a terribly intelligent one, and travelling with a group of other students.
“Getting Off the Train at Alma Stationâ€
I’m on a train facing the door. There is a group of tall, skinny workmen in the doorway and I’m mildly anxious I won’t get past them. As soon as the train stops, I get off. Immediately, I notice I’m on Alma Station – a non-existent station in my physical world. I’m also aware after the fact that the word “alma†means soul (I had a friend called Alma once whose whole name meant “Soul of an Eagle.â€)
Within the dream I realise I’ve been here before. It’s a station I get off at in some dreams when I’m on my way further along and I jump off prematurely (I’ll have to add it to my dream topography map). Once again I’ve gotten off too soon and I’m anticipating the anxiety of trying to find the right platform. I was supposed to go to Parramatta station (a real place; a familiar destination in my younger years).
(Wikipedia)Quote:
Parramatta has been defined as meaning a kind of dress fabric, head of river or waters, and place where eels lie down. It's the name of the second oldest settlement in Australia. The city's official website gives the last as the accepted definition. It makes sense. For the river of the same name is nearby. And the popular rugby team from the area was called the Eels.
Somehow, though, Alma station isn’t as intimidating as it’s been before. For one thing, this is the first time I’ve been able to read and remember its name easily and somehow it’s become a small country station rather than a big city exchange. Immediately, I notice my youngest son, H. He looks lost and I know he’s looking for me or trying to find his way back home. I hadn’t realised he was on the train with me. I head towards him and it takes a few moments for me to get his attention, he’s so focussed on solving his problem. I tell him it’s okay, that we’ll catch another train together.
“Dogsâ€
There’s a group of dogs, some quite small. Bella runs towards them before I can restrain her but there aren’t any problems. (Quite a common dream)
My other dreams are forgotten. I do recall a hynagogic of a purple string standing on end and thinking, “at least the colour’s right.â€
2nd Night
Monday 19th, 2010
G was restless and it woke me. I wasn’t sure if it was time to get up – I’d taken a cold tablet because of a sinus reaction to all the dust at the renovation and I’d slept heavily. I was anxious that my only recall was a vague remembrance of travelling somewhere. G sleeps near the clock; he said it was just after 5am. I tried to relax (first day of 3rd term- Gs back too after a term off to work on the house). I focussed on trying to get back to sleep (and purple eyes every so often too) but it took awhile.
“The Wizened Babyâ€
Jenny T is holding a baby. I see that it has an old, wizened face and wonder if it has that rare disease that causes children to age rapidly. J isn’t speaking at all and I don’t remember her ever alluding to this particular grandchild. She puts the swaddled baby down and wanders off towards a socialising group of people.
I pick the baby up and it begins to whimper and then cry. I hold it close and it pukes on my left shoulder and then stops crying. I go into another room where there’s a double bed with a white bedspread. I lie the baby down and get distracted by something.
“The Distractionsâ€
In a montage, I see my sister and sister-in-law jumping off fences and various other things. They’re at different ages as the snapshots appear. I think this curious: I hadn’t realised they were into jumping.
I tell G about a ghost I saw when teaching yoga last week (I did actually detect something while I was directing relaxation. I opened my eyes to check on my class and instead saw a movement at the back of the room). He seems disinterested. (In real life, he was interested).
I see a vehicle driving up the side of a building. The building is covered in something that allows the vehicle’s tyres grip the sides of the wall.
Now I bring my attention back to the baby. It has slid off the bed and is jammed between the corner and the bed. Awkwardly I reach down and bring it back up. Now its face looks more like a normal baby.
“The Crocodilesâ€
I’m up on a cliff top. There is a group and some kind of announcement that a mining (?) company has given half ownership to its workers. It’s a happy feeling. I see palm trees and then decide to take a walk.
I wander down a path. I notice a head emerging from under a log and I think it must be a lizard or a snake. It opens its mouth and continues to emerge, morphing into a small crocodile. Then I notice there are several of them and that the area is a little swampy. As I turn my back on them, a small, slender, white kitten comes from their direction. I briefly wonder if she’s a feral cat (though, now I remember it, she had a collar) and I also wonder if I should turn my back on the crocodiles, even though they’re fairly small. Then before me I see small animals, like ducks and chickens on the path and I realise they’re afraid of the crocodiles.
Note: Working in the morning, I was reading notes lent me by the former teacher of my senior class so I could see what they’d already done for when we start revision. A section on “The Drover’s Wife†mentioned “wizened childrenâ€, a dog called, “Alligator†and a snake. I wonder if to some extent last night’s dreaming picked up on what I’d be doing a couple of hours later.
Night 3
20th July, 2010
Recall is getting progressively worse. Again, I took a cold tablet that totally zonked me. I was woken around 5.30 by the dog wanting to go to the toilet. I’d been dreaming of a girl-at-work’s trip to the US (she’d been showing photos and talking about it yesterday to others while I was working and half listening). Also, I recollect another classroom dream. The teacher was at the front of the room with a pile of shoes (typical dream sign but I was a long way off lucidity) on her desk. They were all the same shoe; apparently she liked to buy multiples. My identity seemed to be something of a teen bully. Arriving late, I walked past a couple of girls that gave me a look and I said something intimidating to them.
Meditated for a while from 5.30, hoping to fall asleep.
“Trouble with Notesâ€
I’m in a classroom, the teacher this time, with a student I taught a few years ago. I have a pile of typed notes and somehow they’ve gotten wet. I can’t see how this could be so. I peel them apart. Some are irreparably damaged and they’re also out of order. I seem to want to cut sections out of the notes to stick them on a handout. When I pick up the paper, it’s upside-down-teardrop shaped. I comment to James that this is a ridiculous shape for notes.
There was also contact with Les. I don’t remember the conversation.
The clock radio goes off.
Night 4
21st July, 2010
Meditated before bed. Visualised “purple eyes†sporadically throughout the day. Looked at the drawn image of purple eyes whenever I passed it.
Another premature start to the day, meaning the loss of precious dream time. I won’t go into the detail, suffice it to say, poor recall. Used the early wake up for meditation.
“Breastfeedingâ€
I’m in a shopping mall. I have a small, plump baby that needs feeding. I put her to my breast and my two real sons react with laughing repulsion and take off. I cover the baby for modesty’s sake and feed her on both sides.
Remnant from the end of a longer dream
My uncle G is sitting or standing beside me on my right. He starts to inappropriately and sloppily kiss me on the side of the face.
Notes:
Today Richard said he picked up a colour. I wonder if it’s purple? I hope so. I wonder if any of the others have or if Richard’s comment will make them start focussing on colour as a possibility now.
Yesterday in meditation I waited with blank mind for purple eyes to appear without the mental effort of visualisation. This didn’t eventuate but my “visual field†eventually turned purple. Sporadically transmitted purple eyes throughout the day. Trying to be confident and, therefore, fairly casual in my approach to sending. Also looked at my hand drawn images and photos on my desktop to keep the concept present.
Night 5
22nd July, 2010.
No real meditation yesterday but, also, no medication at bedtime. The latter didn’t make a huge amount of difference in terms of recall, probably because I was work-oriented before bed (previewing poetry for a class) rather than dream-oriented. Nothing special here.
“As my Sons’ Sister.â€
I’m with my son H but I’m his sister rather than his mother. We are apparently at school, I’m his older sister and proudly telling friends how tall he is. Then F is there too. I see my dream self in 3rd person and my hair is the same as F’s.
As the same identity, I’m in my “boyfriend’s†house, in the kitchen. He’s thin and curly-haired* and, when his mother leaves the room, selfish and sexually insistent in a teen boy way.
*Reminds me of a student I taught a couple of years ago; one with a particular look in his eye and impulsivity that made me feel he was genuinely capable of serious violence.
I’m with Sophie and she’s decorating a house. It seems it’s Christmas. She moves busily from room to room, placing mats and other items. This dream goes on for a while in this manner and I don’t recall all the details of Sophie’s decorating.
I’m in another house. Someone has a problem: they need to bring something heavy up a steep driveway. G asks me if I can drive them and then F asks if he can drive. I let him. The car is crowded with people (possibly with Anne and her dad in the back) but F successfully drives it up the driveway. We back out and there’s a puddle of water at the bottom of the driveway with a dog poo in it. G comments that he wonders why they’d let their dog play there.
Friday 23rd July, 2010.
Night 6 (Nearly there)
“Two Cars.â€
Someone gives me a car. Even though it’s not a new car, I’m pleased. Then I’m given a second car, which I accept. I think about how I’ll use the two cars.
Later
“The Big Bus.â€
I board an extremely large bus. The bus driver talks to me as we travel and now I’m awake I’m pretty sure he’s a guide from another dream. I forget what we talk about now (probably because I tend to cuddle and chat with G when we wake up instead of recording in my journal :D ) but we do talk. He enters an impossibly narrow drop off area and his manoeuvring of the bus is a completely surreal experience.
“The Singing Lady†(Mrs McGregor).
I’m listening to a lady sing at a restaurant. She reminds me of a teacher I had at school as she was back then when she was young- I recently thought about her for various reasons. She’s wearing a beautiful gown. She decides to give up her job singing there. When I next see her, she’s still singing but wearing a less glamorous, cocktail dress that has purple feathers or fluff at the hem. The dress seems familiar and I’m a little disappointed at her loss of glamour.
“The Drive Home.â€
Now I’m supposed to drive home. I’m heading down a long country road. There are chickens and ducks that flutter out of the way of my car. (Farm birds are not a regular dream sign for me; I wonder if I’m picking up on something from someone in the dream experiment because this has happened a couple of times now). I realise that if I’d taken a right turn the trip home would be shorter. Still, I know my way.
This bit is less clear. There’s a gathering of women and girls. I see A.S (former student/Facebook friend) dressed like Audrey Hepburn and wonder if she’s going to a fancy dress. A young, slightly plump woman is leaning against a pole and laconically making some kind of joke about boobs while we’re joining in and having a laugh.
Night 7
Saturday 24th July, 2010
Meh.
Key, tree, guide, harp.
With the exception of a bit of extra bold lettering, this is as I sent it to Neil
Okay, okay, epic fail this time. :mrgreen:
Are we gonna redo this in another setup, or shall we modify the experiment itself?
(BTW, I hardly ever notice people's eye color consciously or remember it. :? )
Cheers,
Oliver
@Beekeeper
checking notes and memories again, I must admit I was far from seeing / noticing any outstanding purple objects or any eyes, let alone both in one :(
about the blue paint I can say, that I had a kind of strange intuition or gut feeling that it might be related to you since I read about your renovating the house, so that is why I had put it on #2, so my feeling was good :)
However, not with regard to my absolute #1, the little yellow bird, I'm still a bit disappointed that the chicken hatchling did not work, it was by far my strongest asset, at one time i was so sure it was the sign :(
Your chickens were bigger, grown-up ones I guess, no little yellow hatchlings bustling about among them?
@e1b
my description of the nurse is still very general, so I think it would be a far stretch to draw a connection here
@all
For completeness' sake: Here's the rest of the summarised dream notes (thematically, ranked from #4 down, not chronologically) the list which I also had sent to Neil (bolds added now), maybe you find some similarities too upon checking:
4. A Spanish Class at my former University (but most people unknown to me)
5. A pub brawl with an old friend of mine with whom I had a quarrel then, I am spilling beer over him, but we reconcile later on, it was a very clear and constant dream
6. Being at a Volksfest (public festival, funfair) meeting with a deceased mucial colleague of mine (this is a recurring theme, I dreamt this approx. a year ago)
7. A game of bow and arrows with a girl I knew from my school days
8. Another girl, a friend from University, goest with me to an old dancehall/pub I haven't visited myself in years
9. two times actually I also am in the old shared flat I used to have as a student in the 90ies with another friend and another student colleague
I meet the student colleague there, but since the dream is not unusual to recur, I don't attribute it to the experiment, despite its repetition
10. I live in a flat that is actually a kind of old tower. I share it with s.o. not known to me (or made clear). The strange thing is that he seems to have the same flat as me, everything seems mirrored there.
11. In the Spanish class at the end we (a girl which is my neighbour in the class) are asked by the teacher (who actually is a manager of my firm where I work) to re-arrange the chairs and tables, just to try out how it looks
12. I see a male teacher of my high school days (A-levels) pushing a buggy through a street in my home town from my childhood days (the school was however not from the home town of my childhood days)
now, don't ask me what THAT means :?
13. I run throught the city of Frankfurt which I know well (need to get somewhere, not sure if it is the train station to catch a train) I need to check the time, but all public clocks show different times (not unusal in dreams I know...)
I ask some strangers, a woman in a group of other guys for the time. She just shouts sth like "it's always the same (old story)" ..(well, did she think I want to "chat her up" to flirt with her or something? I didnt, just wanted to know the time), I leave her and run on
I didn't participate in this experiment, but I'd like to send out the next symbol if that's ok.
(my dream excerpts are in blue - Beekeepers are as usual)
First Night
This has nothing to do with anything - just thinkin'. Alma as in Alma Mater = 'bounteous Mother" (dict) Odd that Param Mater = 'great Mother' (sanskrit, param... as in Paramhansa Yogananda)Quote:
Immediately, I notice I’m on Alma Station – a non-existent station in my physical world. Once again I’ve gotten off too soon and I’m anticipating the anxiety of trying to find the right platform. I was supposed to go to Parramatta station (a real place; a familiar destination in my younger years).
This parent/child caring/nurturing is a common theme between us.Quote:
I notice my youngest son, H. He looks lost and I know he’s looking for me or trying to find his way back home.
But first to get this out of the way and I don't get lost.Quote:
She's quite young at this point and I'm still her Father/Protector.
Quote:
“Dogsâ€
There’s a group of dogs, some quite small. Bella runs towards them before I can restrain her but there aren’t any problems. (Quite a common dream)
Bella wouldn't happen to be yellow/blonde?Quote:
There are probably five dogs in the house and they play a significant part in the dream. Soon the mattress is full of dogs - two of them very large golden retrievers (or yellow labs) who, of course, are very sweet, but very big as well.
Back to the child theme.
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There were four children in the house, one a toddler I relate to as my own child. I go upstairs and find him on a mattress... I lay down with him to cuddle him and see if he's running a temperature.
This is where it gets really weird, abstract and like a piece of good jazz. I have my father lying on the bed, he is old, wrinkled. Mother has drug him downstairs and he is behind the couch. (It has slid off the bed and is jammed...) They are struggling to get him back upstairs to the bed. (Awkwardly I reach down...) Then your wizened baby morphs into my toddler on the mattress that I have cuddled (nursed) and determined to be fine.Quote:
“The Wizened Babyâ€
Jenny T is holding a baby. I see that it has an old, wizened face and wonder if it has that rare disease that causes children to age rapidly.
I pick the baby up and it begins to whimper and then cry. I hold it close and it pukes on my left shoulder and then stops crying. I go into another room where there’s a double bed with a white bedspread. I lie the baby down and get distracted by something.
Now I bring my attention back to the baby. It has slid off the bed and is jammed between the corner and the bed. Awkwardly I reach down and bring it back up. Now its face looks more like a normal baby.
Quote:
Dad is up there ... he is very heavy and not at all alive. I.e. like he was when he died. He's on the bed... I go to investigate and Dad is prone on his back behind a couch with Mother and the other lady bent over him. Like I said, he is dead. Mother had dragged him downstairs and the two of them were trying to drag him back up...
Nurturing is the main theme of my first dream where Mother would not care for the baby/toddler or the dogs and it was left to me. In the second dream I feel the anguish only a parent understands when I believe my young daughter might be hurt which brings us to:Quote:
I’m in a shopping mall. I have a small, plump baby that needs feeding. I put her to my breast and my two real sons react with laughing repulsion and take off. I cover the baby for modesty’s sake and feed her on both sides.
This one really is eerie..Quote:
“The Distractionsâ€
In a montage, I see my sister and sister-in-law jumping off fences and various other things. They’re at different ages as the snapshots appear. I think this curious: I hadn’t realised they were into jumping.
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She scampers up some steel structure ... runs out to the edge pauses only a second and jumps off. She's done this jumping off heights before, been practicing it which I think is nonsense ...
Maybe like a car going up to the top of a tall building to get washed.Quote:
I see a vehicle driving up the side of a building.
Do say? I won't to quote from my dream about the snake as it was so prominent but -Quote:
I wander down a path. I notice a head emerging from under a log and I think it must be a lizard or a snake.
Note to self: I was searching for 'Liz', not 'lizard' you silly brain.Quote:
I get a good look at his face and it's burnt-orange with the texture of an iguana - even his mouth is iguana-like.
A section on “The Drover’s Wife†mentioned “wizened childrenâ€, a dog called, “Alligator†and a snake. I wonder if to some extent last night’s dreaming picked up on what I’d be doing a couple of hours later.
Cool
There's a strange switch in my dream where I'm looking for my daughter to deliver me from the situation - a role reversal.Quote:
“As my Sons’ Sister.â€
I’m with my son H but I’m his sister rather than his mother.
Ok, that's it.
I definitely missed the boat- nothing purple at all- the only thing I can relate to what any of you dreamed is the 'riding in the car' dream and the 'looking at notes' when I was looking at the notification on some of the last days (and they weren't wet.)
But it was fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpo
I think we should keep the setup the way it is, with new senders and 'trusted person', and keep it in this thread- it's easy to keep track of.Quote:
Are we gonna redo this in another setup, or shall we modify the experiment itself?
(BTW, I hardly ever notice people's eye color consciously or remember it. :? )
Cheers,
Oliver
Sounds good. Now we need a 'trusted confederate', unless Neil wants to keep that job.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishell
Well, seems like Neil wants to safeguard his dream time, so I guess he could do us the favor again.
On the other hand, my dream life also seemed to have its own priorities, anyway. ;) So, even when participating nothing seems to get lost.
I'll be offline at least for two days. I'll record my dreams anyway, though.
Cheers,
Oliver
Yes, fun it was. And for me also a good motivation to enhance dream awareness again. Weeks ago I couldn't remember ANY dreams at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by CFTraveler
Btw, I would not call it an epic fail just because the main target wasn't reached. For me, it is not just about recognizing or not recognizing the set sign. Besides the prime goal, there are some "side-effects" to be measured, since we saw that other elements might be "transmitted along" inadvertently.
Of course, assessed with a skeptic's or a scientist's eye, we cannot take these overlaps as hard evidence for group/shared dreaming taking place. It still could be all by accident.
Anyway, for me the results were rewarding since I had some interesting overlaps with other dreamers. Food for thought it is, after all. I don't apply a black/white view to these overlaps (terriers, blue paint), the world is shades of grey. So I'd rather ascribe probabilities to the outcomes instead of deciding between either "yea" or "nay".
And maybe in the next run we will get the target (and hence hard evidence). 8)
I wanted to add something about the blue paint. Before the experiment began I had a dream where I saw flowers and grass - but all the green parts had been painted blue. That struck me as very odd and I had no idea why.
Cheers,
Oliver
well, interesting.
i didn't expect to have any overlap or even the symbol itself, but it turns out quite the opposite.
so, i must first tell you all that i knew from the start of the experiment what the symbol was - purple eyes. i didn't see the images Beekeeper was looking at, and indeed drawing (did you draw those eyes?)
so i never set any intention to try to pick up on anything.
however, now that i see that pick of the drawn eyes, with the words purple eyes underneath, i know that i've "seen" it before.
exactly as it is there. the two eyes, drawn in coloured pencil, and the writing underneath.
i don't even remember having seen it in a dream. but the image has been in my mind's eye this week.
absolutely.
also, on thurs night, i had an astral adventure that involved many white dogs, cats, and some aquatic creatures, very similar to sea-lions.
all white.
i'd definitely like to participate this time, on the receiving end, so we need to find another trustee...
From my point-of-view, definitely not an epic fail. I picked up something from everyone of you and this was during a somewhat hellish week for me.
Volgerie, the chickens included chicks and I never ever dream about these creatures. I got the pile of shoes from CF (who was probably the teacher in my dream when i consider apperance) and even more overlap with E1B than I'd considered. Btw, Bella's a white with brindle patches and black spots Staffordshire bullterrier/Dalmatian cross. Two of you picked up blue paint.
I expected the connection to Oliver and CF to be easiest as we've had spontaneous shared experiences before (as I have had with Neil, so no surprise on the familiarity of my hand drawn eyes) so I put a little more focus on the other two.
Of course, last night I had a lucid dream. Grrrrr.
Oh, I'm in Mishell. When do we start?
P.s I found 7 days a little long. Could we shorten the period, do you think?
I would like to participate as a receiver as well in the next round. :)
Ok, guys, this was my last desparate attempt yesterday:
A sky-blue circle in a square, two of them, were they alike? Two circles - like irises.Quote:
Originally Posted by E1B
Think what you will, but I'm callin' that pretty close, getting there. :P
I'm ready to go again and I think four, five days max. Some of us may miss out on one, so you catch the next one.
Richard
I know what the symbol is going to be, but I need a volunteer to send it to.
I think Wednesday is a good day to stop. Then we could maybe fit another in at the end of the week.
If we don't have a trustee yet I'll be happy to do it. :) I was just meditating and I thought of some fun I could have from that position, as a confederate of the transmitter. But I'll have to say, I hardly think one is neccessary. I can't think of a person I've met here that doesn't have the personal integrity to pick a symbol, take a picture of it and wait a few days.
But, again, happy to do it if you need me.
Tip to Mishell, try to pick a symbol that isn't counter-intuitive. (Beekeeper :roll: :lol: :lol: ) Also that is universally common to the dreamscape and inner life. The more power it represents the easier we can connect with it.
Richard