Graham Hancock- shamans, fairies, aliens, saints and DNA

I'm happy if people are reading this and it makes them think, so your 2 cent's worth is welcome, Wrong eye.

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Why should spirits in one part of the world and at one period of history, and aliens in another part of the world at another period of history, both abduct men and women, insert mysterious objects into their heads, stick lances or massive needles into their necks, implant crystals into their bodies, count their bones, take out their eyes and brains, etc, etc? On reflection, I could see how ludicrous it was to imagine that people from such different cultural backgrounds as shamans and UFO abductees could have independently invented what were essentially the same utterly bizarre entities and the same utterly inexplicable medical/surgical procedures. (p374)

Floating, lights and threads or ropes:

There are parallels between alien abductees and shamans in their statements about floating or flying to awaiting entities:

The UFO abductees:

They glided me into that thing…I couldn’t resist them, I just floated… (Charles Hickson) (p382)

I’m inside a beam of light. I’m going up, and there’s a hole above me, and it’s dark, but there’s light all around it. It’s like a blue light…a blue beam of light come down to the ground, and then it was almost like going through a tunnel… (Nona) (p382)

The thread or string seemed to be bathed in a light that was everywhere and as the beings were telling him ‘not to be afraid’ Arthur was ‘just going along it, standing erect’, pulled as if by an unseen force. The string seemed to go into the craft, ‘like a phone line or something’. (p383)

The shamans:

He saw the roof of his hut open above his head and felt himself carried off to the sky, where he met a multitude of spirits… (Basuto shaman, South Africa). (p384)

The rope can take anyone away who comes to the dance (Mabolele Shikwe)

When I go to the rope, it makes me float up to the sky. Sometimes I travel to another place the instant I go toward it. At other times you simply walk along it. (Kalahari named Cgunta Elae) (p385)

Shamans also commonly relate seeing contraptions in the sky, describing them as wells or boats or flying shields and describing the star people they meet:

I follow the thread of wells… the thread of the wells of metal. (San) (p386)

Caves and Sea

Not all shamanic journeys are sky-bound. Shamans are frequently transported to caves that sometimes are lined with crystals or calcite and often illuminated by diffuse light. Underwater locations occur too. Interestingly, the first UFO report involved a UFO that plunged into the sea and entered crystalline caverns. Hancock cites a few similar reports.

Transformation

Hancock is surprised to discover that aliens “frequently present themselves in the form of animals or with hybrid animal and alien characteristics ” (p391)

Another type of transformation is also common to the shaman and alien abductee’s experience and that is the sense of being taught. Even abductees, “despite their frequent feelings of confusion and trauma…regard their encounters with aliens as learning experiences…..”(p401)

That’s one of the ways we learn new songs, dances, and more knowledge about how to heal others. They show us what plants to use for a certain sickness or how to treat a specific person. (p402)

Shamans and abductees are sometimes shown books that even illiterate people are able to read.

Hancock believes that the UFO abductees are spontaneous trancers, like the shamans that don’t need psychotropic aids and other techniques, and declares that it’s likely that 2% of every human population is comprised such people. After again speculating on the possibility that these worlds and spirits are real, he asks the question, “What do they want?

Beekeper wrote:

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2% of the nearly 6000 respondents fell into the category of answering yes to at least 4 of the 5 experiences. (What would the percentage be on this site, I wonder).

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Let's do a poll on the UFO forum. It can be completely anonymous, unless someone wants to explain their experience. :lol:

Ahh that's so cool. I just wanted to let you know what I'm reading this and I find it really interesting and I'm glad that you are coving the main points for us. :D

This section is dedicated to you then, Flash_hound. :D

The next chapter is entitled “Sprit Love,” which gives a pretty good indicator of the answer to the question. Hancock relates the widespread tradition “that the true parents of all shamans are spirits – even if the intercourse that brings about their conception takes place between spirit bodies in the spirit world.” (p411)

In Siberia there are tribes that state mother spirits appear in animal form and abduct the souls of future shamans, bringing them to a huge tree in the spirit world when they are born. This tree has an odd shape with its top broken off and every branch bears a bird’s nest. The raven appears as teacher to educate the souls. Those in the upper branches become stronger and more important than those in the lower nests.

Hancock sees a connection between the tree image and neatly stacked incubators. He also sees a link to the traditions of the Cuno, the indigenous people of islands off Panama. In these traditions, shamanism began with the arrival “from heaven” of a humanlike spirit name Ipeorkum on a flying disk called “olapatee.” He teaches the people heavenly knowledge and departs, leaving a child in a treetop. Later, ten more children come to the earth this way.

A shaman, we are told, can be the lover, parent and child of spirits. Several examples are given of shamans having spirit lovers and spirit children. Mothers of spirit children are taken off to the spirit world to nurse and breastfed their offspring. This is true in the case of alien abduction but hybrid offspring are also shown to people who are not their parents but who are required to nurse and play with them anyway. These supernatural beings are described continuously as very small or dwarf size and the hybrid offspring as deficient, weak, listless or monstrous. Sometimes the offspring are born on earth, weak and sickly with white skin and white hair.

Abductees who talk of being impregnated by aliens and having foetuses removed claim that in subsequent abductions they see them in incubators. Sometimes the aliens will try to have the human mothers hold and nurture these creatures, that are typically listless and do not display the normal baby reflexes. One of Mack's patients stated:

Their bodies were short for their heads. Their heads seemed oversize. They had very blue eyes. They had very thin, wispy hair…I would say they were probably three and a half feet tall, but they looked the same age. “You’re our mother and we need you,” they said. (Nona, p430)

Males also have sperm samples taken and their offspring displayed to them.

Hancock sees clear parallels in all this:

Aren’t these stacks of incubation tanks, in which half-alien, half-human babies are lined up in neat symmetrical rows, in essence the same thing as the Siberian legend, described earlier, that incubates the souls of shamans in nests attached in geometric rows rising step by step with the space of one branch between each row and the next?

What makes the comparison particularly tempting is the report of Karin, one of John Mack’s patients, that she had emerged during an abduction on board a UFO “into a black space that contained a huge tree with a great canopy of leaves. On the different branches of the tree were large nests with thick twigs and an eagle sitting quietly and peacefully in each one.” (p424)

As another commonality, it seems male aliens are not well endowed. The Urubu Indians’ tradition has it that the first shamans had such small penises that they could not mate successfully with humans. Sara, patient of John Mack, stated that she was forced into intercourse with a creature that had “a light contour of a penis, not like a physical penis.” (p421)

As with shamans and spirits, alien abductees sometimes feel that they’ve been deceived, the alien initially taking the appearance of their spouse. In both cases there are people who feel forced and others who fall for their spirit/alien lover.

As with the shamans, there are also abductees who feel star born. Among Mack’s patients, a troubled toddler claims he does not want to go to the UFO again but that he was born there, “I was born there and fell from the stars….I was born on the spaceship.”
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As with the shamans also, these beings rarely explain why they wish to breed with humans and create hybrids.

Hey, Leyla. Hope it's not freaking you out that much! Just phenomena; doesn't mean Hancock's got it all figured. Now your parents aren't seeming so unusual though, I suppose.

Take care. :)

Wow, first of all Beekeeper, thanks for this lovely thread, I really take pleasure in reading it, and it's good you're quoting parts because 1) I'm too lazy to read that book myself, right now and 2) I don't think I would lay my paws on it in the near future for various reasons...

Ok, I guess when you're reading new and interesting yet "foreign" information like this, your conscious mind is struggling to make the information fit in to the preconditioned image of the world, I enjoy sitting back and watching my mind trying to figure it all out... Anyhow, one way to process information like this is to compare the info with one's own experiences, and I've just found some peculiar facts (mere coincidences is what I call them) here:

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The formations of human figures, depict their shamanic dances. The bleeding from the nose often depicted in their figures (human and animal) is a representation of the physical reality: their dance would result in a bleeding nose for the dehydrated shamans.

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It's fun how I throughout my life have been having seemingly random nosebleeds, never when someone has hit me or stuff like that, but I've seen this occurring pattern:

A) In at least 70% of the times I get a small nosebleed, it's as if my body is giving me a signal that tells me "a virus / bacteria is upon us, just giving you a heads up", because a few days / a week after the nosebleed I generally get sick. I've found this to be a very effective "intruding alert"-system and I can almost always predict physical illness. The reason is, I think, that the blood gets thicker with the white bloodcells storming in to strengthen the immunesystem, making the blood thicker and then bursting out through small and delicate veins in my nose. I think it's pretty cool.

B) Then there are those other nosebleeds. I don't know how much I've written about those times of "semi-awakening" that occur once or twice a year and last for at least a week, where I observe a shift of perception of the world, and am close / peeking in at the "other side" beyond the treshhold of enlightenment. Many signs manifest, mainly the nocturnal activity, incoming "insights", and my perception of time (it disappears, I feel like I'm doing everything in much more slower and calmer and more calculated manner, and people around seem irritated by this bohemian way, but I am always somehow faster and get everything done before everyone else and even physically arrive to places much faster than others, and when in my experience, I've just been moving slowly, and the world around me even slower) - ANYWAY (sorry for chatting about like this, here's the tiny point) - these "times" are always acoompanied by nosebleeds. I do everything to keep them at bay, but they just come, and are pretty massive. Anyone have any idea how the two are linked?

C) I bleed from my nose once a month, I think it's usually after New Moon or at the first quarter, and I call it "male-menstruation" as I tend to suffer from emotional imbalance and random irritation attacks around that time of the month, I think it's hilarious imo :lol:.

Then about the bees:

Almost always prior to a life-changing and / or very insightful experience, I have a vivid dream about two bees circulating me, happily and cheerfully, waking up all refreshed and happy. It's cool how he says the bees are "messengers of the gods".

About the dwarf-ish breeds:

The information didn't really make any sense to me back then, but three months ago I went to one of, if not the best tarot readers I've ever been to, and he told me I: belong to a family of a well-to-do people, an ancient dwarf people who actively work for the light/good. I laughed at this since I am 1.89 meters tall IRL, but I now realize that he must have been speaking of the origin of my soul (which was the question in the first place, now that I come to think about it). Then he told me I was a King in a past life. (Yeah I'm adding that to my "things that give me self-esteem and makes me even more conceited, if possible" - shelf.) (irony).

About the aliens/angels:

I wrote quite a lengthy post in the mysticism forum about my views on non-human life interracting with human life, and I dare say this information kinda validates my opinion, doesn't it?

Has anyone been experiencing the same stuff, with bees and nosebleeds?

Can't wait for more information!!! Great work Beekeeper!!!

ps. I just thought of something, when picturing the trees and rows of humans being bred in glass containers, I can't help to realize that the image resembles the one in the Matrix, the human crop fields. Will that movie trilogy ever seize to amaze me? I think not.

Hasalameth, I thought you'd find something interesting here.

I must admit to seeing a therianthrope once and being scared witless (a horned man, about 7 ft tall). I was 19 and fully awake. A couple of weeks before that I'd seen a little blond girl.

Strangely, I can also relate to

• one in eight adults had experienced unexplained lost time;
• one in ten, flying through the air (my sister and I share a puzzling childhood memory of flying together- but no spaceships)
• one in twelve, unusual lights or balls of light in a room;
• one in twelve, puzzling scars.

When I was reading the book, the nose bleed thing struck me too. I had been chatting on msn with someone off this site who suddenly got a nose bleed. It turns out he often gets them. Shortly after that experience, I read the information and wondered at the conincidence.

Anyway, I'll get back onto it soon. :wink: