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Glad you have your symbol, send it my way if you like and it's agreeable with the rest of us. :)
Richard
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Cross post!
Glad you have your symbol, send it my way if you like and it's agreeable with the rest of us. :)
Richard
I have received the pm from Mishell and this experiment is underway :D .
Shooting for 'ready' on Wednesday.
Richard
Dreamers, put on your nightcaps!
:shock: :?:
sorry, I don't get it ...
do we START on Wednesday .. or have we started actually now and solve it already on Wedneday, which means it's only 2 nights ?
(a bit short I think)
We started yesterday. I'll reveal the symbol Wednesday. Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday. Should give 3 nights to everyone.
oops :shock: :oops:
okay, 2 will do for me, I'll hurry then :wink:
When I think that only tomorrow dream-time for this experiment is over, I think that is too soon.
Can we give this another day - till Thursday?
You see, the trustee can't help but be a transmitter because he knows what it is and wants everyone to tune in and I think ya'll might benefit from a small extension. :) And it would give me a better chance at a little magic.
I'm cool with that, especially since I haven't detected anything in my dreaming that I get a feeling is it.
Fine with me also.
Thursday here and I have to be honest and say I have no idea. There was a repeating idea in the first couple of dreams but I doubt it's related. I might just try to intuit it.
Ready. Thursday morning here. As I will be away for some time, I post it now.
There wasn't anything so striking of which I really think to be a symbol, but anyway, here a short filtered list:
1. money coin, a handful of money coins
2. a grey cat (an animal popping up again into my apptment through the door (catflap?), and starving, asking to be fed, she says 'meow' - literally, It might have been little Susi, a cat of our household that died several years ago, this is the type: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/d ... A4user.JPG )
3. woods and forests (and living there in a kind of home but with trees surrounding it)
4. lots of massive bookshelves in a private appartment of a friend of mine, with lots of books in it
5. keys (looking for keys in my trouser's pocket and hoping they will be the right ones)
No overlap with Volgerie as far as I can tell.
Maybe something related to countries - a globe or a world map?
Here are my dreams. I didn't bother trying to "see" it. I might later, if I can get it in time. I'm not feeling confident.
Second Dream Experiment
Night 1
Tuesday 27 July 2010
“In Indiaâ€
I wake up in India. I’m disappointed that G has gone out adventuring without me. I pass Narelle and she says something to me.
Now I’m with G and he’s telling me about a new Indian language teacher at his school, I presume she’s teaching Hindi and think this is unusual.
Again G is going out, this time with a group. I’m trying to catch up with them but I can’t match my socks and it’s slowing me down.
“Straggly Branchâ€
I have a plant that could be a red hibiscus. I notice that it has a very long stem that is much too narrow at a mid point. It snaps off, as anticipated, but I’m not worried because underneath this straggly branch is a healthy, bushy plant.
“Liz Hayesâ€
Is on TV speaking to the camera. She wears a grey suit jacket with nothing under it. It begins to gap open and expose her breasts. Surprised by this, I comment to G about what has occurred but he doesn’t react with much surprise.
“Shameful Thingsâ€
Now G’s mum is complaining to me about drugs and other forms of corruption. The dream gets strange here. Something (some kind of robotic?) transports G and me from one destination to another. We’re looking at one wall with some kind of display and then we’re moved through storage sheds and an empty car park to a wall of “shameful thingsâ€. I cannot for the life of me identify these shameful things with anything real. I’m wondering if they’re meant to be condoms because they’re made of rubber or if they’re supposed to represent drugs, though I cannot see how.
There was something else about robots earlier. Toy robots used to play games.
“Feng Plaquesâ€
I’m in a gift shop, either still in India or in China now but it’s no different in appearance to some of our local gift shops. I pick a small wooden rectangular plaque, painted bright red and made for feng shui purposes, out of a bin of such items. It has words to the effect that it’s to counteract negative metal energies (I don’t think there is such a thing) in the Year of the Rooster. I toss it back and take out another that is painted golden.
Night 2
Wednesday 28th July, 2010
“The Yoga Instructor’s Romanceâ€
This is presented initially in 3rd person as a movie dream. There is an attractive young man with dark hair. He is teaching yoga in an upstairs studio and he has classes of about 20. Immediately I’m sceptical about the movie, imagining that he’ll be presented as a wealthy person even though this is unlikely if is sole job is teaching yoga. He goes into Warrior 2 in an unusual way and very much in dancer fashion.
His girlfriend is an attractive Afro-American woman. She goes to him at the end of his lesson to discuss something about their relationship. The scene turns into a dance routine that doesn’t turn out satisfactory for the woman, who subsequently leaves.
Now I’ve entered the movie scene. I try to intercede on the woman’s behalf and, again, the scene turns into a dance routine between the yoga instructor and me. It seems to be becoming romantic and this isn’t what I was after.
Now all three of us are in the room. Somehow, the situation though not entirely resolved, seems better. The Afro American woman is putting a blouse back on over her bra.
“Mary Doesn’t Showâ€
I’ve entered a small civic building that is very crowded with people who have come to see an apparition of the Virgin Mary. I squeeze on to a seat like a pew with other people but our backs are essentially to the action and I’ll have to turn my head to see.
A woman presides. I watch other people come in, particularly a group of very attractive, very tall people in their early thirties, 2 men and one woman. One man has a bandana around his head that looks kind of stupid.
The proceedings commence but I see nothing there. The woman informs us that there’s a faint light but there isn’t.
Soon we’re out on the street. There’s a pancake place to my left. I’m looking down the street for G and the boys.
Fragment: “The Woman who Likes Poetryâ€
She’s older than I am and looks to be of Italian extraction. In conversation she tells me she reads poetry for enjoyment. This surprises me.
“Written Document on My Dream in Israelâ€.
I’m handed a written summary of a dream I’d apparently had and forgotten. The summary begins with a man’s short dream then relates mine. I know mine was really long and I’m disappointed that the summary is so concise. It begins by mentioning that my dream took place in Israel and that I involved animals. Reading it, I begin to recall an earlier, longer dream but I soon wake and it’s lost. The document seems to be the result of my involvement with some group working on dream development.
Other Fragments related to a school setting and computer use.
Day 3
Thursday 29th July
Just fragments.
Something about projection - either I went out for too long or I was, more simply, discussing projection in a dream. Probably the latter.
A discussion with another woman about the tilt of my pelvis.
A dream about Gabrielle. I think she gets a new job. There are levels on the wall marking physical growth on a doorframe that is obscured
Most of my dreams consisted of a lot of fragmented events with many details that are to numerous for me to recount here, so I'll mention specific events if anything similar shows up in other people's reports.
Objects and symbols:
- (sun)glasses
- a small black marble with 3 circles (green/yellow and purple) that represents something of value
(could be similar to Volgerle's coins)
- lots of things and events related to flying/height (tower/lighthouse, clouds, flying over a forest,
a balloon, flying creatures...)
- books, booking a flight
- something representing the elements of earth and water (land and sea on a map?)
Folks,
this dream experiment is extremely interesting, but from a different point of view. I see many suggestive dream symbols worth interpretation in this thread, many of them potentially related to OBE-like dreams.
Cheers,
Oliver
All three of you (Volgerle, Beekeeper and Challenge) have what we'd call 'hits' in RV'ing. But I'm waiting on Mishell. I PM'd her a few hours ago but haven't heard back.
[thrumming fingers on table]
:|
Sheesh! It's only 7 AM here.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
I'll go read the email...
http://i183.photobucket.com/albums/x...reamsymbol.jpg
I figured this symbol could be expressed in dreams in a lot of different ways.
I kept the picture on my computer screen and looked at it whenever I went into the room. I also would try to bring the picture to mind all through the day.
The other way I tried to put the symbol out there was to make an astral "room" for the participants in the experiment and put different variations of the symbol in that room. But I only did this a couple of times.
I tried to help this experiment along thinking that if I wrote a short story about a sasquatch this would build it up in the astral. I think it's really amazing that Volgerle and Challenge both mention forest (even Farewell2Arms who wasn't playing - or he was and didn't know it.
This is the introduction to the story:
"Deep in the forbidding rain forest of British Columbia, beyond thunderous streams and pinnacled clefts, ever shrouded in cloud and mist there abide since time immemorial the people and creatures of the Sasquatch. These are the stories of the true lives behind the myths and legends of this mysterious land."
I'll give you the short beginning to the story, as far as I got, in case you can find some other connections:
"Tashi peered over the spongy ledge and let go a spit-ball from his broad dark lips. Large black eyes fixed on the fading glimmer of saliva he stood motionless, thoughtless, as the infinity of gray-white his glittering liquid probe He looked across the giant fissure that separated his home from he not what and caught to the muted rainbow in the muted sun of a gray flannel sky.
“Tashi, Tashi!†Her powerful voice could not give breath without seeming to sing and could no more be lost in the rumble of cascade below than a violin in a sea of angry contra-basses.
clear water in so many little rivulets racing toward the deep impression left by his idle standing. the fern obscured entrance, the precious little fire"
(I didn't get very far at all, been busy - no editing just... well,).
Beekeeper tapped in with the hybiscus but moreso with the "Mary didn't show" part, afterall, Big Foot never shows either - he's a myth.
I included a bit of ceremonial magic - what effect that had I have no idea.
Are there other connections I missed?
Hello, Richard.
Hmmm. Personally I'd say "forest" is too common a dream symbol to count as a hit. In any given week for a long time you would find dreams with reference to a forest in this subforum, for example farewell2arms' has recently posted one.
I believe the basic idea of receiving certain symbols in a dream is perfectly workable, and IIRC I even saw a similar experiment in "The Holographic Universe." People picked up on elements of a painting. So the basic idea works.
Also it seems that some of you have excellent dream recall. So I wonder what the decisive factor is that makes it work more clearly. I don't think it has to do with the sender, and I think the symbol was distinct enough to be recognised.
Does anyone think it would make a difference if it were more set up like a remote viewing experiment? Picture in an envelope, for example. Don't know.
Cheers,
Oliver
Well we could split the group into senders and dreamers, a dreamer for each sender.
And give the symbol a bit more "juice" by having each sender draw/paint the symbol (or write about it just like E1B). Basically anything that requires creativity, concentration and a bit of emotion.
I'm just throwing ideas as they're bashing against my head here, feel free to ignore it. :P
i've had a rough week since the weekend, so recall's been shabby.
there was a cd-case with a picture of an old ruined fortress/palace/city which was repeated a few times in a dream on tues night.
last night - big cats and dogs, and some unusual creature action, but these are common in my own dreams lately, especially the big cats. this time it was a beautiful leopard cub, playing in my bedroom... :D
KORPO! you argue (sorry CPW) suggest that forest is a common dream symbol and yet I searched the Dream forum and found only about 20+ original entries of forest; and yet, we had three within a few days even before Neil joined in.
I would say that is statistically significant and should not be poo-pooed by a person who isn't pariticipating anyway. Think about it, these references to forest are significant, don't you agree. :wink:
:mrgreen: :) :)
Oh, and that bit about the sender doesn't have much to do with it (still talking to Oliver) is so wrong-minded I wonder if the clock has not just struck the 13th hour? :shock:
Your FRIEND and ADMIRER,
Richard
Yeah, that's the idea. :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Challenge
*waves the white flag*
:D
Oliver
:lol: :lol: :lol:
I didn't have much dream recall and the ones I remembered don't seem to be related to it. I'll go transfer the ones I remembered to my journal.
Most were nightmares and personal, so I don't think I was 'up to it' this week.
I woke up this morning and thought, "You idiot, we'd decided on a 4 day experiment and you posted after 3." Never mind.
Good dream symbol, Mishell. It would have definitely been memorable! Wish he'd shown up instead of Mary's no show.
I've been thinking we need to try modifications too. I'm liking what Korpo and Challenge have suggested or just a straight out remote viewing experiment.
I'd like a few days grace before we start again or I'll catch the next round.
Me too. Too many things going on at the moment, can't concentrate properly. Or do it without me. :D
I think that is a good idea, it's better than always to start immediately the new run (with or without modifications). Sometimes it needs to settle down a bit, also if people want to discuss the results - and maybe s.o. finds something relevant only later on second glance.Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
This thread / experiments should be ongoing, but every sort of sports, from tennis to football to boxing, has its time-outs, breaks and half-times. :wink:
I don't know if I feel well with complicated modes now proposed. It is also a time issue for me. I think it is good to stick to this rather simple procedure of one sender sending and the rest giving their best shots at it. At least for the next time I would rather stick to that method and not change it for every run. Just my 2 cents.
Another more personal reflection:
Still (maybe anyone with experience in interpreting dream symbolism could help) I marvel at what is going on with "my" pattern I discovered.
Within one week of dreaming I dreamt that ...
* a chicken hatchling ............. entered my appartment
* a white terrier dog ............. entered my appartment
* a cat ............................... entered my appartment
... if this isn't a PATTERN (PET-TERN :wink: ) then ... what else is ???
I never dream too much about animals, and secondly .. never about them entering my flat. So it is these two events combined .. and three times. That cannot be dismissed as an accident anymore.
What's happening? :shock: Does anyone know what it could possibly mean?
I feel reminded of Shamanism. Maybe these animals are all job applicants for the post as my Power Animal Guide. :wink: :mrgreen:
(But maybe I should seriously consider it, since I started reading a book on Shamanism a while ago, so I was into it. It says that if you are looking seriously enough, your power animal might pop up in front of you - be it in dreams or in physical life - and you can make friends then .. well .. but maybe I'm just going completely nuts now ... :mrgreen: :roll: )
Or maybe it's all easier and quite mundane: I should just go to an animals sanctuary and adopt a pet?
But is there any more hidden symbolism involved? I know that animals represent a lot of symbolism in mythology and also in dreams. But what kind of symbolism is it in this context?
before this experiment, did you consciously set any intentions before dream-time?Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
spending a week asking for something (unknown) to 'come into' your awareness during your dreams, is gonna have some sort of effect. that's what i was getting at earlier in the thread. it's always gonna end up interesting if we start asking something of our selves, where before we didn't.
i myself encounter animals very frequently. it's like a zoo in here sometimes! :lol:
i also had a little white terrier the other morning(that's twice in the past week and a half), in my house. and a leopard cub, both at the same time, playing together.
in this instance it's really interesting, especially the white terrier thing. i think that even tho some symbols seem to have universal interpretations, on one level, they also have personal ones, depending on the individual's feelings/relationship with whatever the symbol is.
is the terrier to be interpreted? or is it to be seen as a mark of the relative success(overlapping symbols) of our experiment? or is it both? (probably :wink: )
I think probably we should look past any specific personal symbolism re the dogs (I had them as well) and consider that we set our intention to dream in a group, and in order to speak with each other we sought things we share in common. Everybody loves 'dog' so if you want to communicate in a foreign language such as dreaming, say 'dog' and everybody will get it. My dogs were big and blonde, yours were little and white, but dog is dog.Quote:
Originally Posted by Templar
Volgerle liked the simplicity of it so he threw in chicken and cat. What am saying is it reminds me of flashcards for toddlers. Dog, Cat, Bird, Bear etc. Just a theory. But maybe we're trying to learn a new language, so we'll subconsciously share simple, universal things untill we get more fluent.
I don't know. :roll:
Hello, Richard.
I like this idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
Cheers,
Oliver
the intention affirmation I made was just "to recognize and remember the symbol sent by the sender" not more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neil Templar
another white terrier? wow. no accident, I suppose.
so there are amazing similarities, as I said that I don't go for definite yes/no, but rather "scientifically" atrribute probability percentages, here is my personal resume so far, percentages meaning affirmative for "group dreaming evidence" beyond being accidental:
blue paint (dream vs. physical event between 2 dreamers): ...........................................90%
white terrier (now it's a 4 dreamers' dream event within a week): ..................................95%
yellow little bird / chicken hatchling (dreams of 3 dreamers, but still too fuzzy): ................40%
forest (3 dreamers, but sorry, eye1b, I agree with Korpo, it is just too broad) ....................20%
yes, that is possible, every individual has his/her own matrix / translation table to be applied personally. so it is a kind of translation thing, problem is: we have again less reliabilty and more room for "creative interpretation" which might lead to wrong conclusionsQuote:
Originally Posted by Korpo
but the idea itself is valid.
Now you've really got my panties in a wad. :evil:Quote:
Originally Posted by volgerle
Yooooou'll seeee. :D :twisted:
:lol: Actually, I think Korpo reconsidered and was in agreement with me - that the 'forest' was statisctically significant.
(Do they still teach analytical stat in school?) :?
You guys need a break, but I may not give you one. You will dream what I command. :!: :evil:
I'll send it to an unspecified trustee and wait and watch. Of course, we could make it a free-for-all. :D
This could be fun.
Richard
[laughing like Dracula]
Just did of search of the Dream forum; 87 matches for 'dog', only 42 for 'forest'. 10 for 'white dog' but there's no such distinction for forest so we can't make that comparison.
Do the math.
I wanted to add That a few nights ago I dreamed about my old dog Jack. I knew it was a visitation, and it was so nice because it has been a long time since he visited me. He died about 9 years ago.
I hardly ever dream about animals, so I guess it is no coincidence that this happened the week I take part in the dream experiment.
Maybe if we were going to change anything about the way we do this thing we could try group dreaming just to establish some strong, easily interpretable symbols.
Now there's a good idea. But how?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishell
Dreaming with a group would be a free-for-all would it not? Giving each other our intended symbols and emotions - seeing who picks up?
How could we give it a try? Well, just do it. How else can we try?!
It wasn't an unconditional surrender... :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
Oliver
Poor math. :mrgreen:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
All mentionings of forest, woods, any significant amount of trees, etc.
vs.
All mentionings of all breeds of canine.
Now have fun. :shock:
This is an official challenge. I will now commence the "chicken dance..." :lol: :twisted:
(Don't do it. Just kidding!)
Oliver
ok, so, group dreaming, and check our results?
sounds interesting...i say let's do it!
So there is no sender or trustee, we just all decide to group dream and compare our dreams? Did I get it right? When do we start and when does it end?
that's what i got. is that right?Quote:
Originally Posted by CFTraveler
should be interesting... 8)
That's what I was thinking. We can start any time. I don't know when/how or if we should end it. It seem like we'd get a lot more out of it if we kept it going for a while.
but isn't that a bit too fuzzy? no set targets at all?
then we might get discussions like this:
dreamer 1: "well, tonight I dreamt of a yellow tree"
dreamer 2: "oh, wow, I had a picture at the wall of woman holding flowers in her hand, that's a plant too ...wow, but I don't know which colour they were..."
dreamer 3: "i didn't have a flower or a yellow tree, but I dreamt of a window sill, and that is where you put flowers in vases on, and you can see trees if you look through them and happen to live in the countryside. So it is all connected, true?"
dreamer 2: "wow..."
dreamer 1: "yeah, strike!!. so many hits. amazing..."
dreamer 4: "I dreamt of a box-end wrench in my garage, I think this object really resembles a tulip ...well ... a bit .... and that is a plant after all ... Wow, this is real group dreaming takin place now..."
:mrgreen:
ok, sorry for the little sarcastic streak now, but isn't "let's just group dream and see what happens" a bit too "unambitious" now? I think that at least some thematic framework or scaffolding should still be set (don't know how yet, still pondering ...)
I have no ambitions with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
I think if everyone relaxed a bit and quit trying so hard we might see results.
I agree. Might even be fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mishell
Okay, it doesn't matter what we attempt. We're free to keep changing the experiment as our creativity and whim dictates. What we do have is a solid little group of people who want to play with this. There's no reason why we can't conduct different experiments designed by people in the group with people participating in what appeals to them (or maybe what doesn't, just to be kind and co-operative).
With group-dreaming, we could get each person to imagine himself/herself carrying out a specific action or presenting a specific object. For instance, I read of a lucid dreamer who met someone (not lucid) he knew in a dream. He made the peace sign with his fingers right in front of her face. The next day he met her and she made the peace sign right in front of his face. He asked her why she did it and she said she didn't know. This, of course, worked with a lucid dreamer but maybe we could take the principle and apply it to ordinary dreaming. It's even possible to experiment with someone creating the dream setting.
So, all we need to do is to decide on what experiment is next, how long we wish to run it or and when it will commence.
I found thisbookmarked the other day when I was finding links for someone interested in lucid dreaming. I thought you guys would enjoy it.