In last night dreams my wrist watch broke...the hand`s fell off...
In this episode I saw a man working with a bee-hive without any protction clothings what so ever..the bee`s where buzzing around his head...
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In last night dreams my wrist watch broke...the hand`s fell off...
In this episode I saw a man working with a bee-hive without any protction clothings what so ever..the bee`s where buzzing around his head...
In last night dream I was sleeping in my bed..I stretched my arms and I felt like a wooden wall with cracks ..through the cracks I could feel a breath...or someone smelling me...I sit up in the bed and now the wall have changed to a fench...over the fench I can see a horse...I say...oh are you living next door to me...and here I woke up...
In last night dream I was driving a beautiful red sports car...it took me a little time to learn to drive it...specially when I had to drive it steep up hill..but I did do it 😊
In last night dream I was running from grandparents house...over the fields...down to the creek...over the creek...and now I was on my childhood home front yard...I had a bad stomach...and I had made a mess...here I awoke...
Thanks for sharing your story.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
I think that the thing is way much more complicated than it seems from what I have written below. Remember that when I told you that it's hard to talk about matrix at the beginning of this talk, you advised me to talk about it anyway? So I did it here - and you see your reaction. :) People assume that something is incorrect with my thinking, not have open minds to listen that some direct experiences may show that we know actually nothing about the universe - except our assumptions...
I've read Carlos Castaneda's books, and I must say I have similar view on many things as Don Juan, a shaman from this book: that the world is totally different than we think. People don't perceive the world itself - they perceive their thoughts about the world.
Day before last In the dream I was taking my medicin (I have for boodpressure, thyrodoid hormone..and for allergy)..I was holding the allergy meds in my hand when this man was asking what that was...I said for allergy...he smurged at me and said...sure...not believing me...so I asked if he want one...oh yeah he said...so I gave him one...(it is blue in colore) ..he puts it in his mouth and started to wait for its effect...here I awoke...
Hi Antare.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
Yes I did encurage you to write on the site ..it was that maybe someone will respond who have the same worldview as you have...because I can not relate to it.
To have different oppinion ...everone have right to have own oppinion...even if it differs alot.
About the Castaneda and Don Juan...I googled ad wikipedia say that scolars think it is a fiction story with fiction karacters...go figure.
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ia
They do exist though, it does not matter to them if you believe or not.
Hi Sh@dow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh@dow
Who does exist??
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ia
You don't need to pay attention to that. Just passing through.
Yes I know that. I'm pretty sure it's not true what they say, their opinions are worthless, I've read the arguments from both sides, yet people believe that. :) Anyway, Castaneda's books are pretty unique in describing the shamans' world and how they see the universe.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
Thanks for help, anyway. The essential point is that there's no simple solution I'm afraid, that's why research is needed. We're deeply put into something really big on this planet, and no one talks about it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fiqjn_1jak&t=108s
Okay..:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh@dow
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ia
[QUOTE=Antares;175978]Yes I know that. I'm pretty sure it's not true what they say, their opinions are worthless, I've read the arguments from both sides, yet people believe that. :) Anyway, Castaneda's books are pretty unique in describing the shamans' world and how they see the universe.
Thanks for help, anyway. The essential point is that there's no simple solution I'm afraid, that's why research is needed. We're deeply put into something really big on this planet, and no one talks about it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fiqjn_1jak&t=108s[/QUOTE
Okay Antares...sorry I could not be more helpful..
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ia
In last night dream I was carrying a baby...and I had a little boy with me...proximately 4-5 yrs old...if I had to do something I gave the baby to the boy and we took turns to carry it...so for some reason I said...I have to go to my cellar locker to get some chewing gum...I gave the baby to the boy and went down to the cellar lockar....I opened it and saw to my surprice I had also lots of money in the locker...I was happy to see that if we need I know we have money in the locker...I took the chewing gum and went up and took the baby and we where of on our road again....
In last night dream I was buying new clothings...
In this episode I was klipping toe nails ...it was an old lady and her toe nails had grown under her toes...she was in chock when I told her...it was a bit tricky to do them...but I managed.
In this episode a little girl was out in the snow...taking of her wollen glowe and her hands where red of cold...I went out to her and said to her to put her hands on my back under my jacket to make them warm.
In last night dream I was on a wedding...it was very strong dream...do not remember more...
I don't expect that. But did you read my messages?Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
I was just writing that it's not about a single entity, it's about how the whole system on the Earth works. How we, i.e. you, me, and every single human, is involved in the system.
You talked about the new perspective on your life, but have you considered the fact that this perspective is actually coming from "someone else", not yourself? Do you consider that your thoughts, even right now, are manipulated? It's an important question, it touches the very essence of the point I'm trying to indicate.
Hi Antares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
I feel that when I am in alignment with my life purpouse...it is easy...life goes smoothly...If I go away from my life purpouse ...I meet problems...life turns hard...people are doing problems for me...until I turn back to my life purpouse...even if my life purpouse is for the moment...not associating with sertain people...keeping me in line so to say...even when I am "thinking" in wrong way...I feel preassure and by now I know what that means...you call it manipulation...I call it correction...for example...when I was drinking alcohol...I was told to stop that...I did not at once listen to the advice...until I found myself in very bad situation until I did understand why....so in 1989 I stop drinking...it was also this way with tobacco...I did not listen...until I was really sick...and the advisor told me..."what use is it to heal you when you do not help yourself at all"...here I knew I have to stop smokig...this happened in 2003...so I do not call this manipulation...I call it leading me in right direction...
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ia
My experiences are different. What I can see in people's reactions to the idea of matrix is assumptions. Assumptions is what destroys every objective discussion. People don't listen, people only do have opinions. When they are confronted with an idea that is totally out of their beliefs system, they turn off. This is deliberate - again, I repeat it constantly, but be aware that during such discussions there are entities whose work is to manipulate your, and any other people's mind / consciousness. If they didn't, you could start thinking completely different about the reality, which is very risky. So the entities keep you in your current beliefs to achieve their goals. But please bare in mind that your assumption about how this system work, as you just described, is nothing but assumption. I hope you understand this clearly.
They keep us in lack of knowledge because otherwise matrix stopped working - i.e. the "cover" which doesn't allow to perceive anything properly would be in danger. But since they control our minds, they are able to be easily manipulate us. That's what I discovered during the recent nearly 3 years.
I believe that what we need to do as humanity is to take step back and reconsider everything we "know" and "believe in" in order to gain clear and closer to the truth idea about the universe.
Hi Antares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
I hear you clearly...but what if it is that I am not at that place as you are...you are the forrunner as I said before...maybe I am where you are now I will be in my next life...and you are giving me the information in this life...and I will understand that in the next life...so do do not despaire...I can only say that I am sorry that you do not find others as where you are ...and get the support you need...because what ever I say you do not reflect at all..maybe because you are beyond my words...I am so sorry...
Maybe the tre years we have had contact is somekind of support to you after all??...I want just to say...I hope you do not wander too far from the light and the Source....
You have to remember that we are on different levels of evolution and that is one of the reasons that we who are on different level than you...do not understad each others...at all...but I hear you...even if I can not concure with you....I have felt that if you go too far from your "life plan" you will harchly be corrected to go back in line...and when I felt this...I was sure if I do not listen I will be taken away from this life...and I have to start all over again...I do not want to shorten my life so to say...I have responsibillitys to fullfill still in this life and lifetime...and I feel that to be very important to me and to bring with me the lessons leared to next life.
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ia
People like to think about "levels" of evolution like it was something linear, especially in the esoteric circle. I mean, like there were only superior and inferior, relatively speaking, people. I don't like this idea. Instead, I like to think about areas of development. Some people are good at one area, and some other evolved in the other area.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
Do you assume that you're going to live in another incarnation on the Earth? How about considering this incarnation to be your last one? Honestly, I'm pretty certain this incarnation is my last one, but I'm not going to leave the Earth very soon of course :)
Hi Antares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
I think that too..that we develop sertain skills on sertain areas...and that Earth experience is very imporant in the evolution...
The experience I have about the re-incarnation and the Oneness...is that we have the last saying if we want to re-incarnate or if we want to go beyond so to say...So before I had this enormous loning to "go home"...and much of my time I was in this longing...until I did understand how important it is to be in the flesh-body and get to "Earth" so to say...I am sure I have several lifes with out the flesh-body...and therefore I had so easy to project ...So I will take good care of this life here on Earth...but I am of course curiouse of other realms too and try to experience them in my dream life so to say...So I can not say if this is my last life on Earth...but I can say...I am very curious about LIFE and LOVE...
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ia
Try OBE or ASC (Altered States of Counsciousness) then. Have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
Yes I have...Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
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ia
Did they satisfy your curiosity? How do you think, are these experiences actually reliable?Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
What I noticed was that I have to take another approach...OBE is very scary...so alteret state is good to learn to know myself...also learn about the different bodies...to know what realm or body I am in....I am working with this now...Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
To know myself first and get the junk worked out of my astral closet...after this I can start to trust more on the knowledge about the reliable of the experience...
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ia
Ok I see. OBE is scary because our vibrations are under control. I tried that, so I am aware that entities who manage the Earth keep people in disability to do OBE, or create projections for them so that they thought these experiences are real, but frequently they seem to be real, but they are projections - like dreams are. So it seems like you wanted to increase your knowledge on the surroundings of the Earth.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
What is the Earth project actually about, why was it created? Do you have any ideas or thoughts on this?
I do not know anything about Earth project...I have only asumptions as you would say :wink:...Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
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ia
You know a lot. Like: that you have an incarnation (one or many), that you leave your awareness of the body frequently like when sleeping, that your consciousness is not constant but changes, that we as humans are not aware how our physical (and other, subtle) bodies function, that we have erased memory, and many other facts that are treated as obvious.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
But they are not that obvious I think - they are just overlooked...
In last night dreams I had short sequences like....It was winter I was out walking and I met a girl on a strange bicysle...she was like sitting on a chaire..it was plastic...and one leg fell off and she fell on the ground...
....one women did lit matches over and over again...I asked why do you do that...she said...because....
...I was with a women with 2 boys...I told the boy that it is good your mother is a bit hard on you...you will thank her later on....and he said...I know...
People talk about self development and similar matters. I was wondering how the "other side" views the things. I concluded that thinking in terms of soul development is very limited, comparing to what seems to be a wider perspective on the universe - I mean held by the entities beyond the Earth. In other words, we are like in a sandbox, which the Earth in fact is, and we are just told about things like religion - which often is a list of "do this, don't do that" commandments, which of course is desgined for a primitive races as humans (because more "developed" race doesn't need a list of "do's and dont's").
In other words, incarnation and reincarnation terms become obsolete when an individual moves to the next level. Then, I think, he or she decides whether to keep his life on the Earth (i.e becomes immortal), or leaves the Earth.
IA, what would you choose if you had a choice? Do you prefer to die and never return to Earth, or rejuvenate (back your bodies to the best state) and to keep your current incarnation? Of course, we should assume that we have these possibilities potentially at hand in this incarnation. Times are changing, and what was once destined for few, now will be available for many. One sign of this change is the direction of science development. There were both people in history who either stayed on the Earth and lived for centuries or thousands of years, or just left the physical realms.
Hi Antares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
I want to tell about my religious journey and when I went through the Church roof into the spirituallity...Not all dare to undertake the religious journey...I did get a profound experience and knowlege why religions are important...Many are still on very early journey as humans...and many are still more animals then humans...they need rules and regulations to become more humans and also start the spirituallity journey.
Then I got the experience about the Oneness and reincarnation...when the experience started I thought that I have only one option...to go into the Oneness..until the perpective changed and I got to know that there is options to choose between...I learned that I have the last say what I want...I can reincarnete ...and I felt that if I feel I am not done on the Earth I can go back...or if I feel ready I can go into Oneness...there is all but i different way....If I want to go into Oneness and still want to help humanity...I can become invisible helper...I can tell that this experience still is evolving and deepening...so I will not be surpriced that I will unfold more about this as time go by...
I have a question to you Antares...do you know what you want to do when the time is up??
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ia
In last night dream I was living in a hotel...I started to take a coffee on the entrance floor...chatting with a lady...I sat there for several days?...so after those days I said I have to check my room...I took the elevator up to second floor and tried my key on the doors but it did hot fit...so I asked where my room is...and they told me it is on the 3th floor...I took the elevator...and find my room...but it was a room with only a bed...several other with they big dogs where sleeping on the floor...and on that bed where I had my place also where several big dogs with their owners...I lyed down on my place...and to my surprice on the blanket there was a pocket...and in that pocket was a huge stack of money...wow...I took the money...
In this episode I was to a dentist...but he was no dentist and the women who took me to him knew this...I asked how much it costs...he said...900 ...I was dissapointed ..I felt it was too much..
In last night dream there was so strong energies that I was nearly lost in them...it was from my childhood and at the same time..the present time...it took me awhile to come over the comfusion...what I was so afraid in my childhood I am not today...so feel the difference was so uplifting...I have no words now to explain it more deeper....wow
Yes, I think that many, or most of, people here are in need of rules. And they are trained here in schools just like dogs are trained ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
But the thing is that although we all have 2 legs and 2 hands, not all humans in the similar, human "shell" are on the same level. However, regardless their level, all go to the same schools, where they are trained with the same rules, just like you indicated. The same is with churches :) I don't consider churches to be important, however I get your point that some people need lists of sins to be avoided - to be heard from authorities :)
I don't think I need a church, and I never listened to teachers telling me what rules to believe in, and what not.
Do you mean what I prefer to do when I'm going to die?
I prefer not to die. :) I mean, I am going to focus on prolongating my physical life, possibly forever, this is what I think about the idea of death. :) Besides, I don't know what is true about the after-worlds, I don't consider OBE experiences to be reliable, nor interviews with people who had NDE or were under hypnosis telling about their life when they had no physical bodies. Scientifically speaking, these interveiws are not reliable, and I don't consider them to be a propriate souce of the objective information about the true reality... So it's virtually impossible to tell what you are going to do if you don't know what environment to expect.
I think there are needed some better ways and approach to researching the reality than the current approach, in both scientific and non-scientific way.
All experiences in the end depend on a sort of perception, also scientific research. If one has some unusual experiences, then he or she may believe in them, but whether they are objectively real, is another thing.
By the way, do you write now the same dream diaries both on the old and on the new forums?
Okay Antares...Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
Yes I of course I write the same dreams on both sites...
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ia
In last night dream I went to a doctor...I sat infront of the man...and I said...I am so nauseous and I feel sick...the man wrote on a paper and gave it to me...it was written...do not waist time....I was so dissapointed that he did not even examine me nor took any blood for testing...I went out and I said...I will report you...I went to the nurces and said that I want to report him...here I awoke...
In this episode I was to a holiday resort...I come on a bicycle...it was winter...I had not taken with me any bath robe so I had to buy one...the lady gave me one to try on me...I said it is too little..I want one size bigger...here I awoke...
In last night dream I only remember one thing....I saw a coat of arms?
It was red..yellow..blue...and black?
I.A., do you have any thoughts on where actually dreams come from? The scientists indicate non-consciousness, and in common wisdom it is the sub-consciousness, which might be the same thing. They suggest that mind, or brain, when we sleep still is working, but illogically and without any sense. (IMO dreams don't come from oureselves, actually, but are a telepathically provided information, even if having no sense at all, they're provided externally, not from within us - and all of dreams are provided to us delibaretely).Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
What do you think you may benefit from paying attention to your dreams? Was there anyone, like a shaman you mentioned, who told you that dreams are valuable? What is the primary value do you think from dreams?
And one more question, do you have any hypothesis why our consciousness during the dreaming state is so "absent"?
Did you have very realistic dreams?
Did you have experiences in which you and another person had the same or very similar dream in the same time?
What have you learnt from this book? What is most valuable chapter (or chapters) in this book in your opinion?Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
I viewed it quickly only. I found lots of theories and references e.g. to theosophy in this book. The author based his theories on other theories, e.g. messages coming from use of the ouija experiment by Jane Roberts, or very old theosophists statements.
A.n.t.a.r.e.s., I have since early childhood paying attention to my dreams..I feel them to be important...I get help via them to work on my inner and outer happenings...and I do dream about happenings in the future...I of course do not know what dreams are about future until it happens in real life...Quote:
Originally Posted by Antares
About the Multidimentional human I see the whole book very valuable...I am now working through the inner senses...I was so happy to find out this because this will help me to know where in my dreams I am...on what plan so to see and in what body...about the references to theosofist I find that Kurt Leland uses it to say...I know what you mean.I have now own experience...and finds those explanations useful...
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ia
In last night dream I was asked to assist on a surgery...I was a bit hesitent first because of a "angry" man...we had just started when the angry man barged into the operating theatre...all went a bit stiff in the atmosphere...but I saw that the man had his cellphone and his wallet in his hand...so we relaxed...he was going home...(I was aware of both dream and awaked state at the same time)
In last night dream I was on a strange bicycle...I could not pedal as usual...only back and forth with the pedals and it generated a bit of energy to take me forward...I had company by a man on a motor bike...he pushed me when the pedals did not alster energy...thank you for the help 😊
I realize that I have a cosmic nickname :) but does this dots-fulfilled acronym mean anything, or it's just a coincidence? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
I had some dreams about future, but I must say I don't consider dreams that allow to foresee the future especially important to me. I find the mystic experience or informative dreams about important matters, such as immortality (I am interested in the subject, so I am also interested in such dreams meaning) type of dreams much more insightful and deeper. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
All right! So it seems like you are really developing now. You're developing your extra sensory perception, your understanding, your knowledge, boost it with the direct experience, and merge it with the dreams. I mean, finally your life is going to the next level. I hope so.Quote:
Originally Posted by IA56
Do you find your current dreams now more meaningful than ever before? From what you said to me, it seems like you are now really into expansion and development of your abilities. Anyway, may I have a personal question to you? If there was one thing that you could change in your past, what it would be?
(When I'm thinking of my past, and there was only 1 thing that I could have changed, this thing would be: never listen to anyone but me. I suffered from listening to other people - and also from non-physical entities - advices and suggestions since the childhood, I stopped trusting anyone but myself, i.e. now I am very independent and self-reliable, however, listening to others ruined many of my possibilities in the past; there was always a person either advising me, blocking me etc. - and now I discovered that it was not a concidence, people here on the Earth are unaware that they are manipulated by non-physical beings, i.e. these entities managing the matrix are actually the ones who manipulate us, I think you understand that the shaman you talked about was also a puppet, not just a puppeteer, who manipulated others, but in fact was also manipulated from the hide - i.e. this shaman was a puppet in "hands" of the non-physical entities, he might have been mad, but this is because his mind was manipulated by entities. Probably you considered this idea. So in fact, the life on the Earth is to a very small degree dependent on our "free" will, we have to pave our way out from these restrictions to decide about ourselves - this is how this world has been designed and created. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean).
It seems this thread became the last bastion of this forum.:thumbsup:
One upon a time I was also fond of my dreams, but it seems the passion is gone now. Especially after I realized that a big chunk of our dream's are being manipulated by entities with their own agenda, only a little part is coming from our subconsciousness as an encrypted messages. Also there is a chunk of dreams* that are on par with the dream* we are having right now, I don't know if everyone is having those though.(i can expand on this later on)
Most of my dreams are being monitored by those beings, I have many examples of those, here one that I can't really forget:
IA, I have a little suggestion for you to try out, if you are sometimes waking after 4-5 hours of sleep(at least), try this: "I want a waking dream" repeat it at least ten times before falling asleep again, this is a little hack that will make your remaining dreams a lot more live like, not lucid but pretty close without ruining the dream structure, if your intention is strong enough it can give you the ability to navigate yourself inside the dream with a free will, good luck and have dazzling dreams :thumbsup:Quote:
I was walking with a man beside me in some town, a part of my mind was telling me that this man is my best friend and we were talking casually when suddenly a strange feeling came to me like a shock, I look around only to perceive I didn't know the Man or the town(lucidity), I loudly proclaimed my lucidity and start to bombard the man with questions, but he was looking nervous and angry, he was cursing to himself, he suddenly moved and touched my forehead with his finger and my body became completely numb and paralyzed, I couldn't even talk. He was talking to himself how much effort he put into creating this perfect dream and now everything is wasted, he erupted at me how the next time he will make the dream so perfect that I will have no chance of gaining lucidity ever again. With a second touch to my forehead he woke me up.
Sort of it seems so :) I tried to start few threads quite recently, but it seems that an interest of people is not that high. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh@dow
Great to hear that there is someone who got into the next level in understanding the dreams, and didn't get lost in bare interpretations and assumptions about them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sh@dow
Yes, the very question is - as Robert Bruce actually wrote in his book - "my question is: Who is the dreamer".
(I discovered that we are not our dreamers for most of the time - in opposite to the common assumptions about the dreams and the dreamer).
Researching the topic, I also recognized that the subconsciousness ("us" but at the same time not quite entirely "us") is not what we think... now I think of it more as a tool, not part of ourselves. Tool for the entities, not unlike the ones that you mention, to manipulate (interact with) unaware people.
They - the entities - manage the consciousness. They are good and trained at it. The SUBconsciousness is a tool to influence the consciousness (yourself). This is what I learnt, and this is essential to understanding the dreams.
People think that the dreams are an effect of the working of the subconsciousness. IMO they are pretty much right. What they overlook is understanding subconsciosuness itself (and if you don't understand the source of dreams, the effect - dreams themselves - become blur, not clear). Subsconsiousness is a sort of device that allows for interaction. Entities use it all the time for manipulation, as you suggested. The very essence of yourself is not subconsciosuness , but the consciousness. When you are unsconscious, this leaves the room for everything else to replace this emptiness almost instantly, and fulfill it with the external influence - and we used call it "subconscious thoughts". I started to call it "external influence with the internal hooks" - hooks are hooked into yourself and create a "feeling", the feeling is what we tend to call a subconscious influence. Therefore the subconsciosuness is like a "black box" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box "a black box is a system which can be viewed in terms of its inputs and outputs, without any knowledge of its internal workings"), we have no idea what is behind it... so I suggest researching the subject :)
I leave explaining of the superconsciousness for later.
Glad to be wrong.
In last night dream I could not open my eyes...my father was with me and I told him that it is like someone have glued my eyelids so I can not open my eyes..I was able to see through my eyelids but was unable to open my eyes?
In last night dream I felt like something flushed through me and felt like I peed on me...I woke up in the dream and went to the bathroom but it was not pee what went but just energy?
In last night dream I was to some sort of laboratory where they test if you are allergic to products with parfyme...you had to stand in front of looking like a hose and the mist with smell come out...I was some sort of assistent...the women who was being tested asked me why she was tested...I said...you have said to a doctor that you are allergic to all kind of parfyme like smell...so he want to be sure and test if you are allergic...
In last night dream I again peed on me...the bathroom was occupyed so I went into a other room with a zink...when I turned the water on ...there was a thing what reacted on the water so it come out a blue mist like but maybe it was some radiation...I run into my sons room and awake him to come and look what happened...the mist/radiation floated and spread ...here I awoke myself from the dream....