I had a short lucid dream last night, and guess who showed up? A sasquatch! :lol:
Didn't remember during the dream that it was our last symbol, but couldn't stop
laughing when I woke up! :idea:
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I had a short lucid dream last night, and guess who showed up? A sasquatch! :lol:
Didn't remember during the dream that it was our last symbol, but couldn't stop
laughing when I woke up! :idea:
Funny. :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
I've heard, read or whatever that a collection of grandfather clocks, say in a shop, will eventually synchronize their ticking. That's the vague idea I have for the dream caucus. Say I start sending a dream theme, maybe a frozen lake, and Korpo starts sending 'troops in combat' (of course he won't because he won't play with us) then someone else sends 'toys' and then we all start dreaming about toy soldiers, 'The Nutcracker' and Christmas.
Maybe over time we can synchronize our dreaming along a theme of some sort. Shoot, maybe we could all start having flying dreams or dreams of travel to distant planets or meeting aliens. I'm just saying that we might be able to set up a sympathetic rhythm that collectively could be very strong and sweep everybody along.
I must be dreaming.
:wink:
Just as a little postscript: I'm just home from seeing Inception and that car I saw driving up the side of a building, well I saw it again in the movie.
Okay now, enough speculating and playful ribbing. What shall we do next? Someone decide.
Ok, I've sent an image to another member, assuming she/he doesn't mind simply keeping the date of the image, then we're in play. There's nothing for anyone to do, I'll simply watch your posts for synchronicities and see what happens. After a while (a week maybe) I'll post if anybody picked up on it.
Richard
Besides e1b experiment with another member and the group dreaming action taking place (it does anyway, actually I think we have been doing it since the beginning which is proved by the "collateral" dream similarities) I also now feel like trying to send a symbol, event or place myself if I may. I am neither a psychic, nor a good lucid dreamer, let alone a good meditator or whatever is needed. Nevertheless I'd like to try. :)
However, different from the modus operandi so far, I would just suggest we go along with all other usual group dreaming efforts, and I just look if sth comes up. So you could daily post your dreams and compare as you like (mee too, just keeping secrecy on my signal). If sth comes up that has to do with "my symbol" I can hint to it, or just wait longer.
(I know, some here don't want to wait long, but since I am supposedly not a strong sender I would like to try a little longer and more often to send it before unveiling it).
However, due to a busy weekend and next Tuesday being "off" work and then with lots of time during the day, I don't do it yet but only start on Monday evening to give out the symbol, trying to be transmitting it on Tuesday - all day long. (So now all can concentrate on e1b's symbol and other activities).
I'd have other suggestions for modifications of any transmitter-receiver experiments :
- bringing in a 2nd sender, logically the trusted member, to get a stronger transmitter signal (e1b already did a similar thing on the last experiment)
- sparing a trusted member if no one wants to stay passive during a run: uploading an encrypted file with the symbol (jpg) to a filesharing site, giving the link via PM to all participants before the start of the run, then on "solution day" the password together with the solution for everyone to check
- for the impatient :wink: : the group doing daily interims discussions as usual in this thread comparing our dreams, whoever feels like doing so, without the sender giving the solution yet unless the symbol has come up already, more or less.Then the sender might unveil it, or give some hint as to "hot, warm, cold" to describe how far away the receivers are from any solution.
Yeah, I like that! :D Anybody and everbody just starts sending. How does the encrypted thing work, though, that's the key?!
Good thinking.
Richard
ok, so this is a technical test first, since I am not sure if it works for all of usQuote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
i am using Open Office (ex Sun Star Office) software and saved a jpeg in an RTF-text-file (rtf is supposed to be a "neutral" file type that should open with every office suite / text processing software .. well ... I hope)
I also use a free zipping-software to encrypt (and pack), 7zip, sometimes not all zip-programs open all kinds of packing-formats, so let's test this also (i cannot password-protect the document itself and directly since Open Office does not offer this possibilty for rtf-formats)
here is the file, as said: it is not in any way related to my symbol I will send later, so it's not the real thing - just a drill now :wink:
http://www.filefront.com/17161509/volgerle-TEST.zip/
just download the rtf file and try to open it
the password is: volgerle
please report if it works with your software programs you use or if there are any problems for anybody
i already tried a re-download for me, and opened it with 2 different (freeware) packing programs using the pw, it worked
rtf=rich text format. It's the same as a .txt file but with more bells & whistles- you can put in different fonts and some image files in it.Quote:
i am using Open Office (ex Sun Star Office) software and saved a jpeg in an RTF-text-file (rtf is supposed to be a "neutral" file type that should open with every office suite / text processing software .. well ... I hope)
Really old computers may not open rtf files, but they are not hard to convert to .txt files, unless you're using a picture. Then you' need to open it with Word, or you're SOL. :D
ps. I see the file is zipped (compressed)- some old com-poopers may not have unzip capabilities, but I'm sure that everyone here can open them.
BTW, it worked out fine for me.
I just noted that this upload site always issues the system information:
"volgerle-TEST.zip
File name: volgerle-TEST.zip
File size: 68.2 KB
Downloads this week: 3
Downloads total: 3
Date Added: 07-31-2010
Popularity: 11% "
Therefore it wouldn't even be necessary to zip it. It's because I wouldn't need to give the link out before, but can wait til "disclosure day". The upload specifics are issued by the system of filefront.com by default and cannot be manipulated (not even for registered users and I am none of them anway). I just used the "select file & begin upload" button and a few seconds later already received the link. You can test it yourself, it's pretty simple, and I think better than e.g. Rapidshare which makes you pay for uploading and lets you wait if you're a downloading "free" user (=not paying), and btw: Rapidshare doesn't give the upload info and would hence be useless for our purpose anyway. :idea:
So I think that would be proof enough that it was uploaded on that day. :)
(Just need to make sure they don't delete it from their servers too early though. :oops: )
So, let's clarify, E1B has started sending and Volgerie is starting on Tuesday? Can we avoid overlap and just have 1 experiment at a time?
I'm taking a brief break because I'm super busy. I'll let you know when I'm back in. I record my dreams anyway, so if I see correspondences (which is likely because I'm already entangled) I'll post.
P.s Volgerie, you are actually a very good sender. If you look at my dream record for the 1st experiment, you'll see your little farm creatures got into my dreams and I noted that they're not usual for me, that I felt they were somebody else's. Their simplicity meant they came through with far fewer distortions than the more complex imagery of E1B's dreams, which were, in their on right, quite an interesting lesson in shared dreaming.
problem: the animals were as "alien" to me as they might have been to you, so they might stem from a third (unknown?) source :shock:Quote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
or maybe they are really our shamanic power animals combined holding a meeting in the astral dream world for us :wink:
overlap is not bad I think, everyone just records dreams as usual, and we see what pops up
(last night bad recall for me, just fragments without context, I remember a pile of VHS or DVD covers, and some cheerleaders performing military march moves in a street around a roadworks area , ... strange it is ...)
I might start transmitting attempts even today/tonight.
animals have been heavily present in my dreaming lately.. :?Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerle
Well, I lost my trustee so I'm not sending just now. I wonder if I'm receiving? Just had a strange, in-your-face symbol that must have come from somebody.
Anyway, you know if I posted the hyperlink to a pic I have uploaded to an image host, I could corrupt the link so it didn't work, and later uncorrupt it. Pretty simple. :)
Well, we spent the afternoon in the ER and did not sleep at all last night, so I'm not really receiving anything as of last night. Maybe tonight, if I can sleep.
My son ran into a wall (or rather, leaped) and hit his forehead. We went to the ER and got a head catscan (he's all right) but because of the head trauma I had to stay up all night last night waking him up every two hours and asking him inane questions, so my brains are rightly scrambled.
So IDK if I can receive anything when I finally do go to sleep.
You should get some amazing REM rebound :D but you might be so tired you can't recall any of it :( .
You're a great mum!
No recall at all, and am still tired. Not a great one, I'm sure any person would do that for their kid(s).
But thanks, BeeK.
i'm not sure how much use i am in this experiment.
the past week or so things have been too intense.
many things in the 'outer' world are a-changing, and as such, the inner world is reflecting, and a little unfriendly...
seems like everything's for me...whether i want it or not :lol:
still, i read the posts and keep seeing over-laps in symbology...coincidental? i haven't 'intended' towards receiving more than twice since we started this... but i know that time doesn't really fit into the equation anyway...an intention set now can affect tomorrow or even yesterday... :wink:
i guess i'll keep an eye on what's happening here...3 eyes... i guess.. :roll: :P
already tried sending a lot during this day, even from my work place
but tomorrow during the day I really wanna move up a gear :lol:
Tonight's the first night I can actually free up again for any fun stuff. :) Last night was filled with a long dream I don't remember but which seemed to prepare me for an important appointment today. That was kind of expected, anyway.
Cheers,
Oliver
last night i ended up giving lessons on Ho'oponopono, during a dream. :?
i had only read the word before, but never really knew what it was, until i looked it up today..
I had one, it's in my dream journal.
I don't know about this 'storing your dreams' until 'ready'. We should just post them and see how they fit in in the end. I mean, I could post my stuff somewhere else - ??? I might be getting dream retention disorder. :shock:
I'm just writing mine down. When we were doing it the other way, I recorded it in a text file, and when we were ready for the 'reveal', I copypasta'd to the journal.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
I don't think we're restraining anything since it became a 'group' dream thing, unless I missed something.
*and yes, I wrote copypasta.
Yes, please. Please publish. :lol: I thought we had changed the modus operandi for this experiment now. Don't restrain please.
Regarding my sending attempt, I would like to ask you not to restrain sth and just to post your dreams continuously (if you do so usually) in your diary threads or (for me ideally as chart lists) here.
I will have a look at them so see if something might hint to a similarity to my symbol. Let's do it this way, please. It's okay, I will remain quiet about the dreams for the time being.
E1b, you said you had one impression or striking symbol? What was it? Please post. Let it out! :wink: :P
Who's in here to receive sth anyway still? Beekeeper, CFT, E1B, Korpo, Neil? How about Challenge, Mishell? Still in the experiment? I ask because would like to know whom I can try to send sth to.
If you have 'public' dream diaries , please give me the link to the thread (or external website) again.
Today's entry: [broken link, search my dream journal or OBE journal for the date, 8/3/10]
You can go from there.
I've been doing this pretty half-assed this week.
Only a couple of things stood out so far. A snake, and a truck-stop in St. Louis. TH-that's all folks...
If your sending symbols directly to people you can try me and we'll see what happens.
I'm still not participating for the moment. It seems like my stuff has been very personal since I've withdrawn temporarily from the experiment, so I'll just let my subconscious get that out of the way and I'll be back to participate next week.
last night, a many layered pedestrian city, lots of alleys, and stairways going from streets to courtyards and rooftops. (i have dreamed many times of this kind of city, but usually it's a different city. tonight was the first time in this particular 'city')
it's a bit like that famous Escher picture, you know, the one with the impossible stairs?
actually, i just looked it up, and the image i'm thinking about is called ASCENDING AND DESCENDING.
i'm not sure how to attach pics here, so -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ascending_and_Descending
it is an island, surrounded by seas, beautiful blue water.
i come across a library inside, feels like a university/learning place. i see ancient books, legends from ancient civilisations.
towards the end, my friends and i are in a party, where three times, we open sealed packages, which contain books, from which we read dedications to each other. it is a happy friendly ceremony.
there i roll around on the floor playing with (yet another) WHITE DOG. he is a Boxer, or a Pitt-Bull type of dog. very strong dog. very friendly and loving. :D
a really enjoyable dream.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Descending.jpg
Like this. Look at the code to see what I did.
cool, got it! thank you CF!
oh, that's a pity. :( - but of course I understandQuote:
Originally Posted by Beekeeper
anyway, hope you will join next week again, because I thought we might have established a good connection (either to each other or to some common source) due to the paint on hand and that whole zoo ... :wink:
please tell when you are ready to go again (next week you say?) and I will try to reinforce my "signal" then again hoping you pick up some "blue paint" - metaphorically speaking :wink: - from me
of course, for the whole group I am still regularly transmitting and storing it "up into the astral", since in my theory the exact time of when I do it is not that important. I think it is like an email that is posted and sent into someone's mailbox, waiting to be retrieved from there - and I hoping it won't be intercepted by the person's own subconscious spam filter :wink: (well what a nice analogy, isn't it?)
Btw, Neil's dream has already a kind of ... well .. interesting element (even two) that could be related to my symbol, not directly but with a little association round the corner. :wink: But I won't give away too much now.
this morning, a short vision - a triangle frame made of wood. thru the frame i see a man sitting. the background is white.
then the background changes to a room with four triangular windows behind the man, and the walls are covered in wood paneling.
triangle?
Had some really informative dreams this week because when I woke from them I could gleam some meaning from them right away.
Prominent dream symbols:
* A muddy slope I had to get up - slippery slope (the dream was about repeating a behaviour over and over with mounting frustrations)
* A Swiss Army Knife - "Can do" attitude, an attitude of understanding things as problems to solve and finding the right tool for it
Also I encountered toads on evening walks the last two nights. When I asked what this could mean I came right up with "a being capable of existing in two worlds."
Oliver
Oooo, I like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Korpo
I'll try tomorrow (it's Saturday).Quote:
Originally Posted by Volgerie
I was painting with that paint again recently and it really does look like the blue you identified when it's wet. It changes colour when it's dry and with the changing light. Then I cleaned the brushes and rollers outside on the grass and it fell on the yellow flowers of some fireweed. I wondered if I was watching what Oliver dreamt :D
You know, the painted grass was so out-of-the-ordinary and memorable, I wonder if it was meant to get our attention. :)
Cheers,
Oliver
@Korpo&Beek
wow, this really seems to be a great group dreaming event, same paint colour on wall/hand/grass in RL of one participant --> replicated as dream images by two other participants - guess, that is hardly an accident anymore
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-w.jpg
@Neil
http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/8si5-w.jpg
what shall I say, more than interesting vision, some elements make sense, I have my interpretation of it laid out now, still there's no 'direct hit' (we mustn't expect one anyway), but some elements can be very 'symbolic of the symbol', some elements of course are not related, but round the corner interpretation yields some amazing possible association between my symbol and the whole scene you described (you'll see)
I don't want to give anything away, so I will not comment on any elements directly, in order to avoid that a symbol could be guessed by my hints instead of dream/vision-based deductions by the group.
http://www.chitchatting.com/images/shutup_smiley.gif is hard for me, but I will collect all relevant elements of your dream accounts, lists and guesses over the coming days/weeks here for me and do the detailed analysis after I revealed it, will be fun :lol: .
(moderators: we really would need some more and other smileys here. :wink: )
I'm not much in the loop, don't really know what's going on right now, but here's some scant journal of dreaming lately...
6:00 p.m. Aug 1,
This was a post-apocalyptic dream. The only image I'm going to deal with; it seemed we were trying to struggle our way through a huge white flower, the sort that is large and round with 'spears' for petals - a chrysanthemum - magnified so that each petals was ten feet high. We can't make our way up and through them so my gf (Rita/Jodie Foster) tries to make her way through the duct work of the destroyed house.
She's drawing or writing with crayons on construction paper and this long 'tape' of her work projects high out of the duct she's wedged in. I tell her I should try it, I'm a little narrower in the hips.
This dream went on and on, but that's all I have time for.
7:00 p.m. Aug 2nd:
I dreamed heavily but was enjoying the sleep too much to care about making any notes mental or otherwise as to what was going on. This is lunch 3:00 a.m. 8/3 and I thought to kill time I'd jot down a portion that was pretty freaky and not forgotten.
I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table and with a regular chef's knife, broad like for cutting vegetables, I slice the top of his head off. This takes a bit even though there's no skull, just a thick rind, green and yellow like a cantaloupe but the interior is more like a red grape. The head collapses a little when the top is removed. The head has gotten slimy from the ‘juice’ so I look around for a towel to wipe it off while holding so the insides don’t fall out.
I’ll bet nobody sent that image.
No. Rest assured, I do not and would never send any gruesome images. :twisted:Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
No, seriously, mine is actually nice, or at least neutral.
But you might be surprised now that by the art of associative (RE-)interpretation :wink: I could even take this savage dream scene of yours and connect it to my symbol. It's possible, yeah. :shock: :P
But let me stress again (you will see that "connection" when I reveal it): My symbol is harmless. I don't want to cause anybody nightmares, nor myself, I hate them. I like to think of and to dream of peaceful things.
Speaking of peaceful, I cannot connect, however, anything from your first apocalyptic dream to my symbol.
Part 1
I was in a bedroom in some sort of industrial plant and my friends were inviting me to join them in some activity. At that point I realize there's a corpse on the floor next to me and I was supposed to pick it up and toss it into the trash.
This is a freaky "coincidence" considering E1B's second dream. :shock:
Part 2
I was driving a harvester across a wheat field. There were also two girls next to me driving harvesters. When I was done with the work a young woman gave me a chainsaw to "take care" of some trees in the field.
That's all I remember.
I wish Korpo would have a go at the 'head' dream. :shock: 8) :P
Send him a pm with the link. He may not have seen it.Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
Nothing has come up in my dreams but I did see an elephant's trunk in hypnagogia.
This is today's stuff, it was a busy 'night' but not very amazing. :lol:
The part about the false awakening and checking out the board here was a little ingriguing. Wish I could have read Volgerle's future post about what it 'is'. :mrgreen:
7:00 p.m. Aug 7th:
I receive a bride in an arranged marriage from India. She is young and quite beautiful. Her skin is the color of a well-roasted peanut and I am totally fetched with her. She is unpacking and a large cache of correspondence between her and her sister falls out. It is written in English and with an elegant hand and I gather from it that she is well educated.
She's intent on getting a job right away though I try to persuade her it isn't necessary. She's going to work for the organization that arranged the marriage and brought her here, but it seems that they run an escort service and I protest, but she assures me she won't be entertaining any gentlemen.
She starts doing whatever I am doing for me and I explain that American men are accustomed to doing for themselves. I start getting a sense were going to have some cultural differences, but she's so darn beautiful I'll deal with it.
She's working now and we're in a factory setting. She has some sort of leather art work on the floor and she is to apply an almond color paste very specifically here and there, but she's gotten it on her shoes and it dries like plaster. I try to explain that she must be more careful but she doesn't want to listen to my lecture on perfection and resumes her sloppy work.
There is some clandestine about this organization, something large and dangerous and the theme that I am but a child with his toys keeps breaking through. At a point three of us are trying to 'get away' and I've requisitioned three yellow scooters to help us (here we have red dirt again - was in the apocalyptic dream) but the scooters are mere toys only capable of a fast walk. Back in the factory I walk in on meeting of secret service types in navy suits and wires and the director comments that my secret service equipment is old issue, implying I'm just a boy with his sheriff's costume and I walk on.
In another dream I had a white crocodile with a white snake for a tongue. He was my pet and I thought how impossible it would be to keep him clean.
And this lastly, I woke up and remembered logging on here and reading somebody’s post. Must go in the category of false awakenings because my laptop was in its case on its hook on the wall.
I will, or anybody else for that matter. Whatever anybody cares to interpret would be interesting, no doubt, it's just that I think it would be too open-ended (open-headed?). But I'm always surprised by Korpo's analysis and other's as well. Just trying to think of a way to get him over here, play the dream game. 8)Quote:
Originally Posted by CFTraveler
Richard
@e1b
one of your latest dreams is again fascinating as to my symbol, reading it I only had a "hunch" and did some internet research now (looking for clues and connections), and it turned out again to be really fascinating from a symbolic point of view
:idea:
"Different Folks"
What stands out from last night is a dream about a sitcom. It's one of those specials made many years after the sitcom has ended, like a revisit now the characters are all older. The father from "Different Strokes" seems to be the patriarch and he has adopted three daughters. Their adult selves are terribly ugly and, in the special,they still act and dress like little girls. I look at one and she has a hideously long and square jaw. I could say like "the Elephant Man" but what first comes to mind when I wake to write it down is an Easter Island head.
The other dream had a male impersonating a woman dream and another referenced dark green paint.
I wonder if something will happen in India soon? It seems to featuring in a couple of our dreams.
Since Oliver hasn't gone into it, I'll take a crack at it, but I may not be 'on'....Quote:
Originally Posted by eyeoneblack
No clue about this one, were you in the stem of the flower crawling up? Seems sexual to me in a few ways. The flower being a female sexual symbol and you and your gf being both sides of your personality, your male side taking over getting you out of the female organ- a birth of sorts, maybe.Quote:
6:00 p.m. Aug 1,
This was a post-apocalyptic dream. The only image I'm going to deal with; it seemed we were trying to struggle our way through a huge white flower, the sort that is large and round with 'spears' for petals - a chrysanthemum - magnified so that each petals was ten feet high. We can't make our way up and through them so my gf (Rita/Jodie Foster) tries to make her way through the duct work of the destroyed house.
She's drawing or writing with crayons on construction paper and this long 'tape' of her work projects high out of the duct she's wedged in. I tell her I should try it, I'm a little narrower in the hips.
This dream went on and on, but that's all I have time for.
As a side note and for no apparent reason this reminds me of the head the knights templar are alleged to have had stashed somewhere which talked to them.Quote:
7:00 p.m. Aug 2nd:
I dreamed heavily but was enjoying the sleep too much to care about making any notes mental or otherwise as to what was going on. This is lunch 3:00 a.m. 8/3 and I thought to kill time I'd jot down a portion that was pretty freaky and not forgotten.
I take a young man's head (is it still attached to the body?, not sure) and place it on a table and with a regular chef's knife, broad like for cutting vegetables, I slice the top of his head off. This takes a bit even though there's no skull, just a thick rind, green and yellow like a cantaloupe but the interior is more like a red grape. The head collapses a little when the top is removed. The head has gotten slimy from the ‘juice’ so I look around for a towel to wipe it off while holding so the insides don’t fall out.
I’ll bet nobody sent that image.
Anyway, it's a young man's head, I'd consider it a symbol of the thoughts/belief system of a male aspect of you. Separating the head off the body seems to me the act of disassociation your 'rational' 'male' brain from the rest of the body (sensory apparatus) and possibly emotions. You are doing it with a knife, which seems really deliberate- you recognize the duality of your male/female sides and are trying to separate one from another.
If you take those two dreams together I'd say that you have some issues with your female 'emotional' side or having trouble with women in your life- maybe- or something like that.
:)
Hello, Richard.
I actually had no internet connection on the weekend, so I could not read anything or respond. :?
The head dream... hmmm. So, off the top of my head ;) I'd say...
* The top of the head is associated with the crown chakra.
* Going from green to yellow to red is the color order from the heart chakra downward.
* I once saw a green and a yellow layer in people's aura, one inside the other.
Bones are usually the "supporting structure" of the body. This is further evidenced by the "collapse" of the head due to the lack of support. So, you try to open someone's head - opening their mind. The crown is symbolic for the higher learning in man, so you want to open that man's head for higher learning. But you realise there's no supporting structure (skull bone) to support this kind of openness - the minor collapse. The head is also a symbol for the mind.
The supporting structure is usually the belief system, but also the knowledge. To connect to something new you need some structure (bone) to build upon. Realising this you try to support this by yourself (trying to hold the head) and you also might interact with that person's energy (juice = current/electricity = energy).
The layers you find might be part of that person's development. This would denote layers till the heart chakra. This person could then be an energy body of yours or another person. Whoever you're looking at, it's the "inner qualities" you seem to be investigating here.
If this is indeed about the chakras of an energy body as well, then the crown would be integration of the whole energy body. However, from the colors found within it might be that the actual growth (body tissue could also be about growth) has only progressed to the heart chakra (a common association with the color green). If so, this might be the reason why there is no supporting structure yet at the level of the crown - the person's growth has not yet arrived "up there" - the supporting structure has not yet arrived at that level.
Cheers,
Oliver
Hello, Richard.
About the secret service guys.
I think the term is to be looked at as a wordplay - "secret service." This refers to doing your service by others "in secret" (on the other side). In fact, secret service is a symbol that has been coming up rather often - see for example CF's dream journal.
You note how the secret service guys (these could be your support team) having these navy suits. Clothing can be about energy bodies - here it is like being "properly dressed" or "apropriately dressed" for one's environment. Similarly each energy body is apropriate to its specific environment. You basically want to join in on the secret service, but you are told that you are not in the right energy body (old issue) yet to do so.
This remark might have been issued without judgement, but you take it personal. I doubt it was diminuitive in any way, but a remark like that can easily trigger a feeling of inferiority.
Now going back to the scooters - you might be used to much faster movement on the other side, at that level where the secret service guys operate. Compared to that the scooters move at a snail's pace. Different energy bodies have different speeds - the mental body is said to move instantly (speed of thought). The farther "away" from the physical plane you get the faster the perceived speed of movement.
The organisation might seem dangerous because you feel its power and influence. There is a subtle and ongoing influence of the nonphysical on the physical. This is often perceived as "secret" and "clandestine," and many connotations are added to it. The fear of the soul is often mixed into that, too. The whole structure can also be perceived as alien, for example. Compare for example sono's dream: [broken link, find sono's journal for Aug 9, 2010]
Cheers,
Oliver
Whoa! :P Thanks guys. Pieces of the puzzel are starting to fall together. I can't help but tie the 'mail-order' Indian wife into it as well which fits CF's senario mighty well and the chakra colors, Oliver, yep right on.
I'm going take a bit to wrestle with it all and get back to you.
You guys are really good. :lol:
Richard