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Total rejuvenation - eternal youth state
Have you heard about the endeavors to stop the processes which cause the body (and related to it energies) to stop getting old?
I.e. to achieve an absolute, constant rejuvenation state?
There are people - both in scientific and non-scientific - fields who are interested in this. I myself am also very interested in the subject and have some theories and practices to it. Some of them come from the ancient wisdom.
Any ideas to share in the subject?
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Nothing you want to hear.
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CFTraveler
Nothing you want to hear.
:) I'd like to hear anything.
Ok. I'll share some ideas from myself.
So I was convinced as a child that people can live enormously long, not getting old. I was also convinced to many other things that appeared to be well known beyond our "western culture", like for instance that there is the "astral world", there are souls, there is reincarnation etc. due to my intuition. I believed in everything of that before I learnt to read. Then Christian religion came which generally negates all of that. But those previous, preliminary believes caused me to resist most of the "new" religious, Christian believes. I always was asking "difficult" questions my parents, or priests, and the answers were far below satisfactionary. So I concluded (still as a kid): the Christian religion must be overrated!
Years later I was drawn to various topics, some of them being related to the ancient times, like ancient Egypt, shamanism, or the oldest Chinese believes.
When I was a child I always had this "inner perception" of other people that their thoughts affect their... being, physicall included. I.e. I could predict how they will look like after few or more years because of what were their dominating thinking processes. Somehow I was aware which thoughts add to the getting old processes, and thus are to be avoided. I was often sad that I couldn't express loudly what I felt, but in thoughts I said: "please don't think this way, don't do that". But people never listened.
I tried of course to avoid such thoughts, because being worry or pesimistic about anything (literally: ANYTHING - it's not about "what", but "how we think", the subject doesn't matter at all, as well as reasoning underlying choosing to worry) leads to death, as I sense.
Years later, again, I got a confirmation to this feeling / perception from the taoists teachings. I totally now understand why people like Lao Tzu or Jesus taught about being like a child. It became clear to me that this is not religious at all - this is about choosing life over death.
Of course, the topic is very wide. The ancient Egyptians were obsessed with the eternal life, with their Ankh grand symbol of it. But my feeling is now it - choosing life / youth over physical death - is more available to anyone than all the known centuries before.
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Another "brick" into the subject is... some differences between what I believed and what are general (modern, basically of course) teachings.
For instance, some people, living today or those who has passed centuries ago estimated the role of qi (personal energy). My feeling is, qi is of course important to life, but its effects are not sufficient themselves. The real "force" responsible for rejuvenation comes from "high", I'd say (or however to name it). Maybe a "spirit-ual" energy? Spirit-infused? In a word, it is not about the gross energy that some people mistake with the source of life.
The interesting view on this subject was given by the American clairvoyant Edgar Cayce who was saying that the spirit is life (sort of substance from which life is created). I think this is how it exactly is.
The energy (or subtle stream) of constant, total rejuvenation is very subtle, calm, inspirational - sort of these qualities. So first it seems not to be directly related to physical life, as it's not gross at all... but my intuitive observation is that this is actually really the energy which causes our whole being to rejuvenate on the constant basis (because it's not just quite about a physical body, as I stated in the previous post). It's rather a way / style of thinking, which then causes physical body to be able to choose its "shape" from a certain available blueprints (potentially infinite in number), further restricted (directed) by our thoughts. DNA can be modified this way - by changing the thinking habbits. And in order to exceed the usual thinking habbits, the "transcendency" is needed. And it's not something mystic - transcendency in my understanding is just another way of thinking: it's just going beyond the "known" territories to thinking, i.e. mental/spiritual/however-you-wanna-call-it exploration.
Makes any sense? Or try to rewrite it in a different words?
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In brief, thoughts are responsbile at the end for the "life" energy to flow through our energetic and physical bodies. Thoughts are... patterns, and filters at the same time. They filter (and shape) life, i.e. ourselves, physical included (ilnesses included)! :) They are like "paths", allowing and / or blocking the univeral energy (called spirit by E. Cayce) to flow through.
It's interesting in the context of modern quantum physics researches, stating that there is no such thing as "static energy" - everything flows all the time, and the static form / shape is just an illusion of perception.
Blocking life (spirit) energy by our thoughts (which are in the primary charge if it comes to our physical living) causes us to live, or die! (And to die means actually to go through the illness, the state of broken thoughts / energies - and illess then appears to be just a result of certain energies involved in this energetic process).
So it turns out that our decisions - and our choices of how much to be aware and conscious of all of these processes and of the life and our thoughts - are behind everything what happens to us and our physical, energetic and any other body.
Therefore, I would say that:
Illness = state which teaches us what is wrong in our current thinking processes (practically speaking, where we need to exceed our thinking limitations and habits),
Feeling (A)Live = natural state where the filters (thoughts) are in the perfect alignment with the spirit(ual energy = life)
Will = amazing tool which allows us to go beyond any circumstances, no matter how far from perfect if properly used; i.e. overcome any difficulty or illness, possibly the closest "god-like" quality / ability
Imagination = the "playground" of richness of choices to be created and choose from - the better imagination the more choices (and more variety) you get
Intuition = a subtle addon to imagination causing it to gain a higher / better perspective (more spirit-infused)
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Last but not least, I would compare life to electricity and the thinking processes to the cables which purpose is to "convey life". Broken cables are killing themselves (they refer to being "us", or at least what we consider to be ourselves in our daily lives), and thus are basically useless (until the conscious effort is put into fixing them, so that they convey / sustain life as originally designed)!
Or, when trying to use another comparison to water pipes, getting old is the process of flowing water (=life here) being not entirely well supplied - because the pipes got dirty and need to be cleansed, and then "re-shaped" (which refers to our thinking processes). Then spirit (life, youth energy) can flow.
Therefore, we have the following choices:
1. we can choose to die (to complicate our thinking processes, so that the filtering is too strong and they don't convey life anymore)
2. we can choose to live (where our thinking processes are in alignment with life, spirit)
3. we can choose the shape that our life takes
...4. but of course, someone created the solar system, and as a result astrology became the tool which is supposed to give us the idea / hints how our patterns are preliminary designed before we are born, which seems to play a big role in our life; E. Cayce frequently referred to the astrological birth charts in his reading for instance, explaining many things related to both life (sustainance) and illness (=death direction)
Concerning point 1, we die due to insufficient level (degree) of consciousness (spiritual infusion). Until we learn to sustain life, we are like animals: not conscious enough to shape our lives consciously, which leads to so-called enthropy (decay of life-sustaining energies).
My observation is the Sun (Ra in the egyptian mythology) is primarily responsible for conveying the life forces to us and the Earth planet - directly. It's not just physical.
And cultivating life (spirit) was obsession of the ancient Egyptians and taoists.
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An interesting excerpt from the book on Edgar Cayce about the will:
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In spite of the great interest in the concept of free will ... most people seem to still have little awareness of the magnitude of this gift. Our greatest personal asset is the proper use of this power so that our choices may change the circumstances, directions, and outcomes of events in our lives for the better. ... no influence , whether heridetary, karmice, or otherwise, can stand in the way of the will
And an inspiring statement on how to overcome difficulties when a conflict within us appears (mind chooses one thing, while the spiritual indication goes into another direction):
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When we make our choices on the basis of the motivating spirit of the ideal, we become free indeed.
The ideal generally refers to the grand criteria that is "spirit-inspired or infused", as I mentioned previously.
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Have you heard about the endeavors to stop the processes which cause the body (and related to it energies) to stop getting old?
I.e. to achieve an absolute, constant rejuvenation state?
You asked for my opinion so here it is.I have but the idea is about keeping ourselves tied to one timeline, one body, one version of life. The idea gives me shivers. If all people were all of a sudden to last forever, it's not a world I would want to live in.
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There are people - both in scientific and non-scientific - fields who are interested in this. I myself am also very interested in the subject and have some theories and practices to it. Some of them come from the ancient wisdom.
I think the idea itself of "ancient wisdom" is propaganda of some sort, be it of regressive groups or just clever marketing.
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Any ideas to share in the subject?
Heh heh yep-Recently I saw an infomercial about this, and the things they are proposing are a combination of chemicals-antirejection medicine (suppresses your immune system) and antibiotics of various kinds. What they want is to preserve their bodies how they are now, but this would not help people who are sick (actually it might make them sicker). It reminds me a little too much of a zombie apocalypse.
The way I see it, biological death is part of the experience of being in the physical realm for a reason- and this idea that we would be happier living one lifetime practically forever is repellent to me.
If anything, I want to be the first one in my family to die so I don't have to live through losing anyone else.
From a metaphysical point of view, there are two options-
There is an afterlife, and we don't lose anyone, and we get the experience of coming here or going somewhere else, and choosing where we go. We have options.
Or we don't, and death means there is no more me. If there is no more me, there is no suffering, thinking of nothingness. This is eternity, now. Not in a 'future' made probably worse by our limited thinking about what reality should be.
You asked for my opinion. Lol.
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Thanks a lot. Indeed it's a different opinion than most people would have about living, probably. :) It's always worth to share an opinion, particularly if it's different. Some things to consider.
My point of view is the following - refererring to your post:
People live actually very short time-span - I know from older people telling always the same: few decades seems like nothing, they quickly realize they actually start thinking more about closing death than actually living... Some may say it's enough, they may believe that maybe it should be even smaller - this is their (your) free will, of course. You can always force yourself to decrease the time you live on the Earth plane (by e.g. suicide).
But I can see a hidden fear in such approach. Life in whatever form should be treated as valuable. There is no coincidence in fact that every living being has an instinctive motivation to always survive. Suicidal tendencies are the product of human mental activity (not astral, or whatever else).
Suicidal tendency means shortening the life span. Why to live shorter?
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If all people were all of a sudden to last forever, it's not a world I would want to live in.
Do you mean overcrowded planet? Well, if so, this also something that bothers me. Yet this is another subject. Taking responsibility for how many people are born each year is required anyway.
If you feel you have something valuable to do when living, it becomes obvious that you start to thinking of a longer life. Especially when considering the alternative.
Because the alternative to life is always illness.
I know no living person who would find illness to be something worth having (i.e. putting conscious efforts into being sick). Everyone wants to be healthy - and this simply means prolongating your life-span.
But I think it's not actually about the logical reasoning "why", the motivation might be placed deeper. Reasoning mind has a tendency to "reason" things that already exist inside us, on other levels of our consciousness. Like in the system of chakras (being actually the consciousness centers).
If we were really developed, we wouldn't have to go back to the astral afterworld through illness killing us - but just by a will. And this is probably what's going to happen ultimately on the Earth - when the consciousness is developed enough. That's why I'm not talking about medical solutions, but raising consciousness (spirit) here. It definitely won't be therefore available for all people - because raising consciousness triggers "side"-effects.
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Do you mean overcrowded planet?
Overcrowding and lack of resources. We think that living a long time makes us 'wiser' but it's not my experience. I am of course talking about the physical body. But I'm also talking about the types of treatments that are being looked at, especially making cells live longer. That kind of treatment doesn't make you healthier. If anything, it makes you sickly. If you have a huge population not dying, you'll have more people getting sick without the resources to take care of them.
And if you ever watched Highlander (the series, not the movies) some important things are brought up in that show- but it's a show, yet I think the things that it brings up that are valid.
But anyway, that's all I have to say on the subject.
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Yeah, this is where I completely agree. Artificial peolongating of life makes no sense at all. Life comes from spirit, a cell or body is just a tool.
I am wondering about this global resources issue, which some economists like one who wrote a book on the subject and was an advisor to one of USA presidents says that technology is the key to eliminating this problem.
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Antares
we die due to insufficient level (degree) of consciousness (spiritual infusion). Until we learn to sustain life, we are like animals: not conscious enough to shape our lives consciously, which leads to so-called enthropy (decay of life-sustaining energies).
From my practical observations, there are multiple ways for spirit (actually, the spirit connection in fact) to be stronger. It takes into account the body as well - whether we want it or not. However, most important is still the mind.
What strengthens (weakens) the spirit connection then?
1. Environment and space (vs. overcrowded place)
2. Air (vs. polution)
3. Cold wind (vs. hot climate)
4. Calmness (vs. mental chaos)
5. A constant intent to "go" higher (vs. letting thoughts to wander randomly)
6. Diet (e.g. when eating less sugar, salt, proteins - also from plants - etc. I noticed the body to react better to the "spiritual influences")
7. Star influence: I mean direct resonating which can be felt mostly, yet astrological influences also apparently have their role (vs. closed spaces, nature isolation)
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I recently read a book written by an energy healer. She has also other powers than healing.
She said that her skills have sometimes surprising effect. For this topic, it will be interesting that when she did astral journey (I guess it's the same as OBE...), she went somewhere very far - somewhere she wasn't allowed to go to. When she finished this meditation, she was in shock: most of her hair got gray!
I wonder, how come? Why this could happen? Are such "spiritual" excercises dangerous, that they affect body, quickening aging, or something? How one is related to the other?
In another book I read that some spirtual excercises, related to pineal, are responsbile for rejuvenation and youth state...
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Does she have before and after pictures?
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CFTraveler
Does she have before and after pictures?
I think she has not, she is now actually old, and in those times when she was young (which happened to her then) taking pictures wasn't that often, not mentioning that it was not expected. Do you think she's not telling truth?
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Have you ever read "The Holographic Universe" by Michael Talbot? You might enjoy it. A similar book that comes to mind is "Autobiography of a Yogi".
Both books seem to have in common that they do question the idea of a Universe as we in the West understand it and give glimpses into a Universe that interacts with consciousness all the time, and is more malleable than we can usually imagine - and I'm including myself there.
Personally I don't feel particularly "married" to the human form in that it precludes so many other experiences which I hope are possible. And I don't think it is needed to be in incarnated form to have these experiences - that it is just one experience among many. Maybe an enlightened being would feel different about this matter but right now I would rather improve the quality of the experience I have here on Earth and the positive impact I might bring than necessarily prolong the whole thing.
I agree that the quality of one's thoughts, one's emotions, one's beliefs, one's environment can shorten or prolong life, no disagreement there. If I had to chose between a longer and a better-lived life, however, I would opt for the latter. :)
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Korpo
If I had to chose between a longer and a better-lived life, however, I would opt for the latter.
What does mean better-lived? Have you chosen a better-lived life? Or live in fact like all other people (see below, where I write about 2 scenarios).
(I think it's quite subjective. Taoism is in large part about prolongating lives. A taoist consider a life to be better-lived when all the "requirements" are met - and these lead to health, rejuvenation, keeping energy through whole life, keeping balance and so on - the opposite is considered to be a not-well-lived life).
This is the point I can see in the society. The biggest fear in the society is about death (aging). When you talk with people about their life choices and where they came from, you quickly realize the bottom line: they are in the constant fear of "not enough".
Believing that there is not enough time is probably the biggest challange for people. It chokes their choices, and their lives. So they waste their lives because of having this limiting perspective.
When the fear rules our choices, life is not going to be better-lived. It's going to be an array of of restricting life choices - restricted of course by the circumstances in which we live in, or rather people believe in.
To realize that problem fully, compare two scenarios:
SCENARIO 1 - a person live just like others
Even few or ten years is a lot for you. Twenty years seems to be a veeeery long time. Thirty years is almost like whole life to people (and in fact it is).
You need money quickly. (mortgage, car, and lots of other stuff).
You need carrier quickly. (money)
You need to marry another quickly. (aging)
...and many others "quickly"-notion driven needs. Otherwise, if you won't hurry, you won't have X in order to have Y.
This is the conclusion that I have when talking with people about why they chose this or that in their lives. I can see those choices everyday in the eyes of people.
They give up their dreams, because they are aging.
Is this a better-lived life?
My objective view is that 20 years is really a short time-span, if you think it through.
SCENARIO 2 - the person is free from this restriction - so he or she doesn't need to worry about aging
You don't need money quickly. (you have a time)
You don't need any carrier. (you have a time for earning enough money)
You don't have any pressure to marry anyone fast. (no need to worry about aging)
You have enough time for preparing yourself for anything you want.
You may live up to your dreams - because there's no this "stick" above you which exerts the pressure on you
(This is how this world has been designed - and if you asked me, it was designed deliberately.)
See the point?
This one shift in perspective results in a total revolution in thinking... that's why I'm vividly interested in this subject.
People typically have subconscious aversion to this. Like to many other things their subconsciousness are accustomed to be so true that they deny anything what could be in conflict with their deeply rooted believes.
The inspiration from the practical achievements is needed for those "few" who go beyond the current paradigms and limitations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gt_Se7BtSQg
:)
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I personally honour that the human life span of 30 years is the law... love's. I am 37, but I have conquered myself...
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olyris
I personally honour that the human life span of 30 years is the law...
It's not... it depends. Generally, the human life span should be above 100 years, some say 150-200 or so, it has been even proved. People don't live that long because of illnesses, which also cause aging (and illnesses have more to do with psychology than modern medicine is eager to admit). The definition of illness is not accurate, I think.
However, it depends - because the DNA / cellural matrix and all the parts of the body can work better than just relying on the "yin" quality (i.e. on the typical material life processes, as it is present in animals). This is possible thanks to the fusion between the spirit (yang) and the material blueprint DNA (yin). Then the rules (law) changes drammatically - because of the hightened frequencies down to the cellural and atomic levels of all the cells in your body provided by the yang quality. It's like "different" laws applying to classical physics and quantum physics. Hightened frequencies, when present in the body and aura, cause different reaction to the "time" flow (as we still call it; of course after all there is no such thing as time, but we perceive it this way; in the end there is only energy creating the time-space, including concentrated energy in the form of neutrons, protons and electrons, i.e. matter, which in turn create the physical body of course). So after all it's all about mind - reacting / preserving / resistitng to frequencies, which then are attracted or not attracted to the physical body (energy in your aura and body changes on a constant basis; energy in cells can flow quicker when the vibrations are quickened)... This is what was the alchemy about, and my guess is that it has a lot to do with how the ancient Egyptians described the life processes and in particular the primary life-giver - Ra, the sender of the rays of life energy into the Earth.
(The ancient Egyptians were obsessed in becoming "Ra", particularly pharaoh and priests. This shines new light on the term "gods" the modern archeologists gave to this phenomena or concept of those "beings" present in the ancient mythologies. In short, the journey of Ra in its daily travel might be analogy to how life is preserved. So it's not a story, it's rather a practical alchemy, the description of the technical side of the energies involved in preserving existence on perhaps various levels - not just a physical level; and how consciousness relates to it, being an inherent part of it, not being something seperated from life...).
Consciousness of life energies leads to preserving / mastering alchemy of life within. This is my current view in the subject.
We should possibly introduce a "new" science: on the rules dealing with energies. Hindu mythology says about it: the 3 fundamental principles of initating, preserving and destroying the energy. This would be probably more helpful in treating both diseases and restoring life processes and balance within than physical medicine does.
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olyris
I am 37, but I have conquered myself...
What does mean to conquer oneself?
You sounded more mature than (most people having) 37, I always thought :) I probably sound immature I guess - though I never cared about being mature. :)
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I go on the theory that Jesus lived the immaculate life and went down due to "old age," hehe. His soul turned itself into a glory in heaven instead. So it goes... During Shakespeare's time? Someone in England, 30 was about the real age too. To conquer oneself is to remove the ego's frustrations about sex - through meditation and other practices, turning "off" the fun that supposes death while leaving "open" the possibility of fun that supposes glory. Getting rid of the bad love in favour of the good.
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olyris
I go on the theory that Jesus lived the immaculate life and went down due to "old age," hehe. His soul turned itself into a glory in heaven instead. So it goes... During Shakespeare's time? Someone in England, 30 was about the real age too.
It takes a totally developed soul to having done everything he or she wants to in such a short life span... he had a mission to accomplish on the Earth, so he did it. Seems like everything of that was planned.
But he didn't die because of illness or "naturally". ;) Further more, he must have conquered himself too, as he lived even after he died (as he resurrected himself - and not only himself, but other people too, not mentioning the countless cases of healing, which ended in his famous "not sinning any more" comment). So it all suggests that he was a real master of life alchemy. It's quite obvious his soul knew everything of that and was skillful enough before starting that life time. Perhaps he might never have died physically.
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olyris
To conquer oneself is to remove the ego's frustrations about sex - through meditation and other practices, turning "off" the fun that supposes death while leaving "open" the possibility of fun that supposes glory. Getting rid of the bad love in favour of the good.
Yes... getting rid of the low frequencies in replacement to the higher ones. I prefer the term "transformation" or "transmutation" however... as conquering supposes an enemy to be defeated, which possibly leads to struggles instead of that goal: providing good (and not focusing on bad) :)
Returning to alchemy / the ancient Egyptian science, one scientist sums up this in a very insightful way:
"Ra was the basement and the guarantee to the existence"
In a wider context, every living being has its "Ra" part in itself: it's a core to all life, the most inner and central part of it. Blocking it leads to death. The Apopis serpent symbolized the "chaos" forces which were threatening the life balance (Maat).
I recently worked quite intensively on the transformation as I wrote in this subject: https://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sh...368#post159368
The sun (Ra) in the scorpio zodiac sign provides those "dangerous" energies that the Sun "doesn't feel good" when within. But this unfriendly environment leads to the transformation when properly challenged. I feel that I've been challenged, and now my old personality energies have flown away, and I feel a bit like I'm lost now... having no old references in my personality I was relating to in the past on a daily basis.
The energy of the whole body now needs to work on a similar frequency, and it still doesn't, which resulted in a frequent physical illnesses and getting rid of the demon I also wrote about on the forum in November...
Hopefully, the new energies of the sagittarius would restore balanced and strong "existence center" (the core Ra part) on a new level... which is what I'm trying to achieve now. Astrology suggests that when this is accomplished, with the rise of the new capricorn sign and the winter solscitice (quite soon) the new energies would be established, and the focus point and frequencies of the personal energy would be altered in that direction.
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Quite a study, immortality. Clearing, healing, transformation, transmutation and forgiveness... and natural energies.
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olyris
Quite a study, immortality. Clearing, healing, transformation, transmutation and forgiveness... and natural energies.
Exactly quite like that...
Know the qabbalah tree? It consists of the two side pillars (plus one in the middle): mental side on left, intuitive side on right.
Study (understanding) is the mental side. Empiricism (experience) is the intuitive side. Balance (integration) is the spiritual side.
This way we get the universal triangle, reflected in particularly the 3 most upper spheres of the qabbalah tree (Kether, Chokmah, Binah) . The spirit, the life source in other words (which is imho the key to immortality, as I learnt recently - sometimes referred to the pineal gland by people who prefer a more materialist/scientific approach) is represented then by the top corner. The side corners act as a kind of scaffolding and additional valuable information sources: they show how (im)balanced we are at a particular moment, being kind of spiritual-mental sensors for us.
Overly cold, sharp mind? You turned left - the Virgo zodiac sign reflects this type of energy.
Overly merciful, overlooking soul? You turned right - like the Pisces zodiac sign indicates.
This way, as I learnt, souls (more that human beings) develop, turning to this or the other side, constantly. These turns are directed by their (less or more conscious) choices on multiple levels.
As it suggests, the most work on this is made in mind, the higher levels... subtle energies... intuition... higher mental abilities...
On the other hand, most of the modern alchemists, as we can learn, focus mostly either on understanding (particularly western ones, i.e. mental side), or on qi / energy (particularly eastern ones, i.e. on lower energies experience). Where is the middle? Well, typically no real spirit involved.
This perhaps explains the failures in alchemy or disappointing results... including established orders.
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I perceive this as well. The alchemy of the mundane, it could be said is in every art, however. Is what one is doing at this time, beautiful? Subtle...
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olyris
I perceive this as well. The alchemy of the mundane, it could be said is in every art, however. Is what one is doing at this time, beautiful? Subtle...
Yes. I came up to the same conclusion...
That alchemy is a life, and the life style... This is how I observed when trying to apply it - naturally...
You cannot fool yourself: either you live this, or it's just pretending. Transformation needs to occur at every level, at every while; in the end it's all about our life choices, smaller or bigger ones, and being aware of them.
So everyone is an alchemist in a sense. Poor results however come from unconsciousness (of how it works, and what it is, and whether it exists at all, who actually is a human being), lack of belief (seeing no results around, no good examples to follow), laziness (disturbing oneself in self-achievement), motivation (turned outward, weight put on external and material), and after all personal values...
Hence lack of results in self-achievement and alchemy.
The rewards are astonishing, however. I can see it very often, people not believing what they see when they see me... it seems to them impossible or unearthly.
And the best thing about alchemy is that it's infinite. You move into a direction, achieve something just to find out that you have even more to achieve, even more to progress, more ways to expand and more possibilities.
Then I look back and think: why these people can't just choose the same way, to overcome typical human being's limitations? Isn't exceeding self limitations the most important thing?
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My house shines like it is on an island. A very proud fool i am :roll:. I just don't know the suggestion of what to do the alchemy of next time. I heard on the grapevine that true spirituality is externally derived. Horses for courses...
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On the whole line of discussion thus far, in several topics here... it would seem we are talking about the inner life and its capacity to balance. When you think of light and dark, war and peace, truth and beauty... all I can say is, alchemy is a great tool for evolution. The process of discarding what does/did not evolve is called pain, however. One must bear it and keep learning, in light of the truth that everything is worth it, is going to be alright.
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olyris
On the whole line of discussion thus far, in several topics here... it would seem we are talking about the inner life and its capacity to balance. When you think of light and dark, war and peace, truth and beauty... all I can say is, alchemy is a great tool for evolution. The process of discarding what does/did not evolve is called pain, however. One must bear it and keep learning, in light of the truth that everything is worth it, is going to be alright.
This is where I always felt I need to take a different way than others.
I discarded some energies once in my life... After few years I felt that I rejected a part of myself. I did returned to these, but on a higher level.
Since then I never ever discard anything.
Intregrating instead.
I guess this is indeed what is alchemy - or whatever name we wanted to call it :)
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I think that people typically not only loose life energy known as qi / prana, they also loose their lives, because of many things, lack of commitment to "cultivating" - maintaing, sustaining and receiving - energy being the essential reason. But possibly the single thing that they are been stolen their lives (and the corresponding life energy available to other, more constructitve and progressive endeavors) is that they loose too much thoughts and energy on sex, making them weak and slaves. This really makes lives less possible to direct to a new level, youth / rejuvenation / refreshment energy included.
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I think that's a myth perpetuated by religious groups that want to reserve the right to tell you what to do with your body- and part of the reason that so much mental energy is spent on it is precisely because of all the taboos associated with it. That and food.
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CFTraveler
I think that's a myth perpetuated by religious groups that want to reserve the right to tell you what to do with your body- and part of the reason that so much mental energy is spent on it is precisely because of all the taboos associated with it. That and food.
I think so... religions want to control people...
However, this is purely based on my observation of energy and people. When it is not controlled (and typically is not), you indeed loose it. This energy which we use in sex is much more universal, and can be controlled and directed. Its quality can be increased. Things like tantra or taoist practices - as far as I know - teach how to use and control this energy consciously. The rewards are inummerable... starting from improving and increasing your life impact. Allowing yourself to carelessly loose this energy without awarenes has indeed effect not just on your body - if repeated on the regular basis, it affects your life, as your energy changes. Practically speaking, too much focus on anything (like sex) and energy abuse affect our mental body, aura, energy in general, physical body, and the entire life. Being conscious of what flows through our mind on the regular basis brings a totally new level of actually everything. Learning how to control this energy is invaluable then - we're not talking about ascetecism here. ;)
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I personally believe that sex energy is evolver, and spirituality is just on board for the ride. Being careful where to point that rocket ship and not stress the cabin crew (ego and committee).
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The key is to put it into a right context of the other areas. I wrote about it a bit here: https://www.astraldynamics.com.au/sh...843#post164843
Today's morning experiment with herbs and hot water helped me realized how things work much better.
Chemistry basically "kills" alchemy. None of these two is an extension of the other in terms of the practical approach.
Generally, all is based on the frequencies' differences (which medical systems like TCM or Ayurveda call the "5 elements" and the corresponding 5 tastes). I noticed that the bitter taste increased the vibrations of the body, especially when you have empty stomach.
When the body's frequencies increase, the spirit - mind have a much stronger power over the cells of the body. The changes in the body can occur in a drammaricaly quick pace then. In short, you gain a strong influence on your physical body down to the cells, DNA and its atoms, when the body is prepared properly.
But the most interesting part is that chemistry, like in your digesting system, is not just a reaction between molecules, although we are being taught that. I observed how it works.The quality of energy available and qi influence drammatically works how for instance digesting or blood circulation works.
Increasing the vibrations of atoms involved in the typical body prcoesses changes how chemical reaction work. We don't need to rely on purely material (yin) means, we may use energy (yang) to change how things work, what chemical reaction occur in our body and so on.
It all comes down to the energy (and not matter as we are taught), i.e. everything changes in your body depending on what vibration you would introduce / change. This is where inner alchemical skills come into place. This way, when mastering it, you may literally gain a total control of your body and DNA. You may literally shape your cells, DNA and the whole body.
Further experiments are in progres.
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Increasing the vibrations of atoms involved in the typical body prcoesses changes how chemical reaction work. We don't need to rely on purely material (yin) means, we may use energy (yang) to change how things work, what chemical reaction occur in our body and so on.
Great Yang is like greeting dogs. Yin behaves according to perfection. Everything else is a (natural phenomenal) synthesis of those two.
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No need to worry that laymen would achieve the immortality state. Without spirit involved, it's impossible. With spirit involved, being layman is impossible. ;)
Definitve vs. Indefinitive
The key lays in not trying to define yourself. Then the life (spirit) forces are not disconnected. Hence total rejuvenation state. It really works. Closing yourself in a definite form disallows life to flow through. Hence the importance of thoughts involved in the process. Observing, controlling and transcending your thoughts leads to a new states of being, physical body included if you wish.
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olyris
Great Yang is like greeting dogs. Yin behaves according to perfection. Everything else is a (natural phenomenal) synthesis of those two.
The perfect synthesis of the two is known as tai chi. Transcending tai chi is known as tao. :)
It is reflected in the cosmic universal triangle. (Beyond the two).
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The perfect synthesis of the two is known as tai chi. Transcending tai chi is known as tao. :)
It is reflected in the cosmic universal triangle. (Beyond the two).
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Orange dot: One
Gold dot: The Tao
Silver dot: Tai chi
Your solar plexus movement is according to this, making breath the deepest secret of all...
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I similarly to IA56 take some inspiration from some (quite many) things recently. This time it is a new ayurveda book that I also ordered written by some Indian master.
It confirmed what I felt about rejuvenation: that the deepest secret perhaps lays in our thoughts - mind, and the positive attitude.
The conclusion is: never ever give up your ideals, never negotiate with yourself about them. Keep them as strong as they were from your first day on the Earth. Keep the notion that everything is possible, and never change it. ;)
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Antares
I similarly to IA56 take some inspiration from some (quite many) things recently. This time it is a new ayurveda book that I also ordered written by some Indian master.
It confirmed what I felt about rejuvenation: that the deepest secret perhaps lays in our thoughts - mind, and the positive attitude.
The conclusion is: never ever give up your ideals, never negotiate with yourself about them. Keep them as strong as they were from your first day on the Earth. Keep the notion that everything is possible, and never change it. ;)
What name does the Indian master have??
Love
ia
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The author is Acharya Balkrishna, a recognized teacher of the natural and ancient healing methods in India. The other master often referred in the book is Swami Ramdev. If you won't find it in your native language (fortunetely it has been released in mine), you may certainly find it somewhere in english - I don't think it has been written with a difficult language.
But generally, it's good to be careful when you look up for a natural medicine (like ayurveda, TCM etc.) handbook: it's easy to get into a trap of being overwhelmed by too many not necesserily essential details. Depends on what you are exactly looking for... plus give the credit to the fact that natural medicine often has a related philosophy or religion to it, which today may feel quite outdated ;)
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Antares
The author is Acharya Balkrishna, a recognized teacher of the natural and ancient healing methods in India. The other master often referred in the book is Swami Ramdev. If you won't find it in your native language (fortunetely it has been released in mine), you may certainly find it somewhere in english - I don't think it has been written with a difficult language.
But generally, it's good to be careful when you look up for a natural medicine (like ayurveda, TCM etc.) handbook: it's easy to get into a trap of being overwhelmed by too many not necesserily essential details. Depends on what you are exactly looking for... plus give the credit to the fact that natural medicine often has a related philosophy or religion to it, which today may feel quite outdated ;)
Thank you. The book I ordered ..practical Ayurweda….written by Sivananda Yoga Vedanta Center....it is translated to Swedish.
Love
ia
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Antares
never ever give up your ideals, never negotiate with yourself about them.
Yes - I find that the tautology is "freedom is good vie confusion is mad"... same dif.
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Here is a tautology:
A: "to be or not to be"
Q: romance.
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Recently I lost touch with time passing... I feel like being in a total "now", although it was never my goal to achieve... I mean, I feel like the time stopped for me; my body stays the same. Today I saw a woman I didn't see for few years. I thought at the first moment: how come that she looks now that much older? She was quite young when I saw her last time... then I realized how different I am from the surrounding society, working on the immortality... how strange life is...
At the moment I started working on something that might be called a quantum resonance... between the cellural and atoms frequency, mind, and the higher levels - getting in a mental / telepathic touch with the physical body and energy. As a result, all being strongly connected together in turn. Not sure where it leads to, as I'm at the beginning of this process, but the quite surprising result which I feel now is kind of... uniting the body with the mind! Resonance between the two seems to be like an energetic equivalent to combining different parts into a system. Quite strange, and possibly very powerful, leading to multiple unpredictable results, while the only goal that I had in mind was an intuitive way to rejuvenating the body and DNA manipulation from within (not by material technology usage)...
If this went massive, the civilization would have had gone through the biggest revolution the world ever seen, exceeding anything that happened in the XXth century, from introducing the electricity and mass media...
Where am I actually going to now, I started to ask myself?
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I also have this kind of experience, which for me is called kundalini sex, or "sleeping with ghosts."
Thinking that an inch of the known universe contains all of the energy... how do you think it works to orgasm the shared space between two immortalities, each unique... !
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A: "this and that"
Q: magic
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An observed side effect of rejuvenation practices: a significant increase of hormones in the organism... the body rampages.
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Recent discoveries gave me the understanding what actually a quantum reality means: everything is an on-going constant process - not a state!
We are used to think that we go through different states: states of consciousness, states of health / illness, emotions, physical condition etc. This is the language that we use which expresses our thoughts about the reality. But these thoughts / language is an effect of the limited perspective on how things are.
This is why humans don't understand what life is - it is not a state, it is a process. The quantum physics is still far from discovering this - the nature of quantum reality.
To die means simply to disturb the process.
But this is a trap of the 3-rd dimensional way of thinking. We need to change the thinking ways, therefore, as ewverything is a constant, on-going process which results in certain vibration that we hold - or we do not. It's happening all the time, in the now.
Constant rejuvenation "state" (in fact, process, as I explained) is therefore a matter of holding certain vibration of spirit / life.
This "certain" vibration is unique to each individual. It is as simple as realizing what is our unique spirit vibration - and keeping the connection to this vibration. Then we resonate with our "life-source", a fuel nourishing all the levels within.
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quantum physics is still far from discovering this - the nature of quantum reality
If they did understand it, they would understand that magic is simply application of the laws in the quantum reality; and why something seemingly impossible from a limited perspective turns out to be possible; that the "quantum level" is not just a new interesting playground for an intellectual hypothesis for a scientifically oriented mind, but a part of experienced reality (the universe as a whole, and not divided into partial "areas" of different, inherent only to a certain level, laws) from which consciousness has been taken away without an appropriate mental training - as our "educational system" insists on a very narrow mental development.
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I was always astonished by the philosophy of the most ancient Chinese philosophy, particularly related to the I-Ching scripture.
It says that the fundamental law of the universe is change. Being not in attunement with the current reqirements of the time means simply being out of sync and ultimately to die. This applies in any sense, including social sense.
I see it with people throught the all known ages: there are those keeping old standards, being constantly replaced by those providing new standards - being more with accord to the time. Like science replaced old fashioned religion / magic. Like new ideas replacing now science. I see scientists as having no "fuel" from the universe any more today - the old-fashioned XIX-th and XX-th century science needs to change, so do masses' believes.
Being in accord to time is refreshing - literally: it refreshes your soul, mind, and body in turn, the way to being in touch with the life-providing forces of the universe, which also means being in attunement with the current time.