The origin of occult knowledge

[ThePoliteSkeptic]

Hello. I'm new to the forum, and equally new to the techniques described herein. I have a question I want to ask out of pure curiosity, and I hope my ignorance is well-tolerated.

When a statement is made that a certain chakra is a certain color, or that energy techniques effect the etheric body (I understand there are also supposed to be a number of other types of bodies) where does this knowledge originate? Are there people who are able to see it directly, or is it perhaps from old eastern customs? How many of these things do the many practitioners experience themselves, and how many of them are learned from a book?

Thank you for your time and patience, and thank you for helping me understand what's being discussed in these forums.

[baalixan]

The techniques, meditation and energy work, among other things are based in alot of eastern tradition, but does not stick solely to that. some techniques are read from a book, and some are created, or learned in other ways. It is all actually experienced, and not only feels absolutely real, but at some times seems 'more' than real if that makes any sense.

[ThePoliteSkeptic]

Alright. So, for a specific example: Are people today able to see chakras, or the color of them, or is this something that's solely handed down?

[ButterflyWoman]

Wikipedia's got a pretty interesting page on the topic: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chakra

Some of the current Western concepts dealing with this are more recent. There was a lot of theosophical influence in the 19th century, for example.

Personally, I've always seen the chakra idea as a very useful abstract model to describe something. I don't really take it literally, though (I sometimes use terminology that refers to this or that chakra, because it's easier to use known terms than just try to make it up every time). I know that a lot of people take the chakra model quite literally, but I don't.

[ThePoliteSkeptic]

Thank you.

[Tutor]

well...light originates from sound, or light would sympathetically arise as answer upon sound's call.



light as colors, each significant color is relative to a tone/frequency/resonance; such as to set the whole into perspective, blue is G is throat is sol is center is axis, for from throat are all tones resonated in the formulation of speech/song/chanting...vowels, before the mouth variably adds consonantal definitiveness. the origin/vowel is the real agency of power, given the intent via tone. added to that, the consonants give dualistically to the (neutral) power whatever admixture of soft/hard, blunt/sharp...etc, meaning, which may doubly harm of may in oneness heal (harm/passive -> heal/assertive/laeh <- aggressive/mrah)

in this human scope we are all the same, a sameness wherefrom we each uniquely express our given individuality. one source (same)>>>unique individuals (different)

just as an oak tree is to me as it is to you, and cannot be argued as being a maple tree by any one.

the occult sciences did not come with this, they ripped it off from the 'east', translating materials with which they had no reasoning experience from which to translate, where in the east this human scope having been so ancient as to have no memorable reference as to it's beginning.

perhaps the best cross definition would be: Ancient of Days = God

this is why that even if all the materials were to disappear from the face of our present human knowing/scope, that these truths would arise again and again from out of nowhere, that nowhere being from within an awakened human becoming/being self actualized; for this is what a human is as preconceived being, and wherefrom we humanly conceive our co-World of individual worlds (povs).

therefore, what is 'ancient of days=god' is ever present, eternal isness, now; and only through what is preconceived human is it conceivable, even while remaining incomprehensible as 'god/endless source' preconceiving our 'co' and individual isness.

this pretty much means that within each is 'ancient of days=god', whether you know and understand it or not.

my penny on it,

tim

[ThePoliteSkeptic]

Thank you, Tim. I'm afraid I didn't follow all of that, but I believe I got the gist. The knowledge is ancient, and if it were to disappear it would come back, because there is truth to it? Am I right?

[baalixan]

a note on chakras. i have seen one of mine, which was the crown chakra. it was emiting a white light, which is one of the colors associated with it. it could possibly be just what my expectation was, tho i didn't expect to see anything.

[ThePoliteSkeptic]

Interesting. I have to assume this was during an out of body experience? Just because it's hard to see the crown of one's own head otherwise.

[Tutor]

i suppose that 'occult' means 'hidden', and in that respect 'occult' is a worthy word, as it is that this 'all' is hidden within each to awaken to. however, what we see today as secret occult initiatory societys, is what imho is folly.