barriers to expanding consciousness

[eyeoneblack]

ok here is a question for you: without spiritual teachings, without cartoon media, pretending that the words meditation, karma, kundalini, samadahi, etc. don't exist, how does one go about discovering these things on their own?

It makes no difference. The words do not convey the experience, they only give us something, a construct, that we can then argue about. E.g. what is 'lucid'? I'm still not quite sure. All I have is my experience and if 'lucid' doesn't catch it, then what am I to do? Make a new word? Might as well.

[sleeper]

ok here is a question for you: without spiritual teachings, without cartoon media, pretending that the words meditation, karma, kundalini, samadahi, etc. don't exist, how does one go about discovering these things on their own?

It makes no difference. The words do not convey the experience, they only give us something, a construct, that we can then argue about. E.g. what is 'lucid'? I'm still not quite sure. All I have is my experience and if 'lucid' doesn't catch it, then what am I to do? Make a new word? Might as well.

ok how do new experiences come about? how does novelty arise out of ignorance? do we stumble upon new new things? do we discover new things? do we create novelty? are we divinely gifted with experiences? what is the process of personal spiritual discovery?

[Korpo]

Divinely gifted with our own participation as co-creators.

That's why so many method and methodologies exist. We give the truth our own spin. Each school, each teaching highlights another aspect of the truth, but the truth is given from above.

Cheers,
Oliver

[sleeper]

Divinely gifted with our own participation as co-creators.

That's why so many method and methodologies exist. We give the truth our own spin. Each school, each teaching highlights another aspect of the truth, but the truth is given from above.

Cheers,
Oliver

by "given from above," what do you mean?

[Korpo]

"Above" as in "higher" in a context like "higher being."

Cheers,
Oliver

[sleeper]

"Above" as in "higher" in a context like "higher being."

Cheers,
Oliver

i'm curious whether you mean higher self, spirit guide, god, or the universe, or something different.

[Korpo]

i'm curious whether you mean higher self, spirit guide, god, or the universe, or something different.

Yes, yes, yes, yes and maybe, in that order.

Cheers,
Oliver

[Tutor]

Sleeper,

what person, place or thing...being named is not from the nameless?

even as we, being below, refer to this 'nameless' as "the above".

yes, yes, yes, yes...ad infinitum. right on Korpo.

tim

[sleeper]

Sleeper,

what person, place or thing...being named is not from the nameless?

even as we, being below, refer to this 'nameless' as "the above".

yes, yes, yes, yes...ad infinitum. right on Korpo.

tim

is the nameless such because it is beyond names, or because it had no parents to name it?

[Tutor]

Sleeper,

what person, place or thing...being named is not from the nameless?

even as we, being below, refer to this 'nameless' as "the above".

yes, yes, yes, yes...ad infinitum. right on Korpo.

tim

is the nameless such because it is beyond names, or because it had no parents to name it?

is 'tim' a fish on sleeper's hook? no

your question reveals that the term 'nameless' is beyond your current understanding, simply because neither question nor answer approaches 'nameless'.

the apparent nature of you or I is sufficient for understanding 'nameless'. my name 'tim' means nothing without understanding, yet with my nature understood also am I named 'tim'. thus has 'tim' awakened as everything from and to, yet that zero point which from and to do come and go is 'nameless'.

no one can know 'nameless', yet everyone may understand 'nameless' through them self understood.

the 'real' query here for you is 'you', and is not, "is the nameless such because it is beyond names, or because it had no parents to name it?"

what is your name and is your name truely yours through a nature understood truthfully?

i've barely got a bead on who is me, much less who you are. we can share this mystical wonder, or we can be questioned at every turn of a word until it becomes an inane intellectual experience where nothing intimate survives.

it's your party however, and the participants are getting thirsty and wonderin when the pizza is going to arrive. your move....

tim