Programming Experiment 1: Y/N-Question (job change advice)

[poème]

I like this interpretation. ^^^^^^

Thank you! I tried my best ^_^

[Sinera]

Oh and as for the second dream... I may be completely off here, but I'm thinking that this «team and promotion dream» may be a symbol chosen from your «recent life material» to «clothe» some reality at another level (maybe at a soul/spiritual level) into something you may understand and relate to. I say that because I also had a graduation type of dream and there was nothing important going on in my «physical/material life». My focus at the time was rather at an emotional/spiritual level. I'm still not sure about this but I guess it was meant to tell me that I had succeeded over something I was working on, that I was now one step ahead on my path. I also say that because like in your dream, I often meet total strangers (don't know them in my everyday physical life) but I do know them in the dream. What if these were companions we have at another level?
Of course, these are only «what ifs»...

thanks for the comments, and yes.. oh I like this one, too. Could be the case.

This dream now had the same positive "feel" about getting on and being active (in my own development) that I had when I was at a kind of mental projection to a type of hall in a school/library meeting a nice group of people who did not seem familiar (from knowing them before in this life) and still ... I somehow felt a friendly bond and something of common interest or development path connecting us (I described this trip in my 'retrievals' thread). I am yearning to see these people again because I still have lots of questions left (understandably) but so far have not managed to get back there - but I'm working on it.
(I had managed to get and remember - due to repeated asking - their first names, but completely forgotten to ask or remember what this place exactly was about and who exactly they were, ... stupid me. :cry: )

I also seem to be in a kind of "program" to get on by education and practice learning. For example I dream of being in classrooms a lot lately, also completely unrelated to my horse/jobchange dreams. It seems I take these dream-lessons which also Kurt Leland talked about recently here, he calls it the 'Interactive Learning Zone' (viewtopic.php?f=33&t=9378&start=120#p141514) - it's a workshop/school-like dream zone/type.

[poème]

Thanks for the link. This thread is so fascinating and eye-opening!

As for your dream, the more I read and the more I believe it is the case... Chances are these people are fellow «classmates» or companions you have at a «spiritual level» (not sure if I chose the right words here but I think you get the idea!)

I also have lots of classroom settings type of dreams and I know they are not «everyday-life-related» as I am done studying now. A funny thing, though, is that I keep seeing the same teacher over and over in those classroom dreams. A teacher I have had in «everyday life». And I know it is NOT him showing up and not even linked to him in any way. It's as if a teaching spirit kept clothing himself in the form of that teacher, because I liked his teachings and had a deep respect for him... Or as if, whenever the dream needs a symbolic teaching figure, this teacher is the symbol picked...

[Beekeeper]

Vogerie, I was just "cleaning out" and rediscovered thishttp://www.babiesneedmothers.com/art...ed-dreams.html that I had bookmarked. It's on programmed dreams.

You simply formulate a very precise question – a question that is highly specific yet leaves open all possible answers. We must never program “Should I do “A” or “B” because these are just two choices and there might be thousands more that are better.....

[Sinera]

As for your dream, the more I read and the more I believe it is the case... Chances are these people are fellow «classmates» or companions you have at a «spiritual level» (not sure if I chose the right words here but I think you get the idea!)

Possibly they are 'classmates' / soul group comrades, but I lately got to the conclusion that I also have met some of my reincarnational selves somehow.
For example, there is a guy with curly hair who appeared more often in some dreams now, at one point he mentioned sth about Sweden (maybe he/I lived there once?). I can't explain but I somehow feel that he is a part of me.
I also met some other women who all explained things to me (mostly relating to physical life reality creation) and it might have been my HS talking to me. Of course it could also have been a guide or a discarnated 'friend'? Still, I am not too sure about these things. But I know that the persons are 'kind and friendly' persons supporting me in one or another kind.
But I have not further clue to prove to me what they are exactly (yet), it is just a hunch that they could also be part of me (incarnations).
My projection to that school with the group of people falls into the same category. I am just not sure if they were 'mates' or 'selves' I met (or a mixture of both kinds?). I remember going through the library with Michael (one of the guys there) when we were looking to find a quiet place there where he wanted to explain things to me. We went through a room with lots of shelves with books and tables in between (a kind of library reading area) when I saw a group of busy people there (learning, reading), among them was one guy with glasses .. that guy looked a bit like me, at least similar. So this is what gets me thinking, possibly I was already on a trip "home" to my HS?

I also have lots of classroom settings type of dreams and I know they are not «everyday-life-related» as I am done studying now. A funny thing, though, is that I keep seeing the same teacher over and over in those classroom dreams. A teacher I have had in «everyday life». And I know it is NOT him showing up and not even linked to him in any way. It's as if a teaching spirit kept clothing himself in the form of that teacher, because I liked his teachings and had a deep respect for him... Or as if, whenever the dream needs a symbolic teaching figure, this teacher is the symbol picked...

That's interesting. But very different for me. I never know the persons that act as teachers there. For example the one of the first dream mentioned above was black (and young). I never had a black teacher, neither at school nor at university.
Tonight I again had a university seminar dream. Don't know the tutorial's topic at all, but this time I remember that a friend (an actual one in my current life of whom I dream quite frequently) had convinced me to go there since he had attended this class before. The seminar teacher was a dark-haired woman with a rather boring teaching style and speaking habitus, but I did not know her.
So the 'classroom/school/university'-theme continues on and on for me almost every night, but mostly with people that are 'foreign' to me in physical life (except now for the friend who brought me there).
Interesting thing at the last day of this course from tonight was this: as a kind of "reward" for having attended the teacher gave us money. Funny thing, huh? What a nice educational system that would be down here on Earth - but maybe it symbolises the message that attending the classes for me always should be somehow 'rewarding' ?

[poème]

Possibly they are 'classmates' / soul group comrades, but I lately got to the conclusion that I also have met some of my reincarnational selves somehow.
For example, there is a guy with curly hair who appeared more often in some dreams now, at one point he mentioned sth about Sweden (maybe he/I lived there once?). I can't explain but I somehow feel that he is a part of me.

I've read Monroe only lately and still am processing all this information (very confusing for me at the moment ), but if that was your feeling, especially while dreaming, it may be the case. I'm not sure of this, but I'm starting to believe that we are a lot more aware than we think while in the dreamstate, especially when not too lucid (conscious reasonning is less involved, therefore false interpretations may be lessen). Does that make some sense?

I never know the persons that act as teachers there. For example the one of the first dream mentioned above was black (and young). I never had a black teacher, neither at school nor at university.

Do you think it's possible that you see their true appearances? Could be...

So the 'classroom/school/university'-theme continues on and on for me almost every night, but mostly with people that are 'foreign' to me in physical life (except now for the friend who brought me there).
Interesting thing at the last day of this course from tonight was this: as a kind of "reward" for having attended the teacher gave us money. Funny thing, huh? What a nice educational system that would be down here on Earth - but maybe it symbolises the message that attending the classes for me always should be somehow 'rewarding' ?

It's great that your learning theme keeps going on! You seemed worried about this no longer happening on another thread.
...And wow! I do love that educational system of yours. It sure would be great to be paid to study!

Should attending the classes be rewarding? I think your feeling about it seems right on the spot... Just my point of view though

[Sinera]

... I'm starting to believe that we are a lot more aware than we think while in the dreamstate, especially when not too lucid (conscious reasonning is less involved, therefore false interpretations may be lessen). Does that make some sense?

Yes, to me it does. You mean that despite a lack of lucidity we can 'intuit' or 'feel' things to be true; to be more exact: we remember - besides the content of the dream scene - the feeling we had during this scene, when we assess it with our reasoning mind later in the physical waking consciousness.

Do you think it's possible that you see their true appearances? Could be...

Yes, that occurred to me, too. But possibly it's just one of their appearances - which might as well be their selves they were once during their incarnation cycle, which might be finished already if they are teachers/guides/angels.

In Michael Newton's books on hypnotherapy it is described how guides and assistants (often they are 2 with one 'trainee' learning the tools of the trade) can look like. Of course, they are shape-shifters (and we can be too if we want to) and adjust their appearance to the situation that fits (us) best.

For example, I remember the horse getting more human at the end of the scene, as I wrote about above. So maybe the true appearance shone through for me? (It could even have been the woman I identifed as Ludmilla, but I am not sure anymore). Sometimes I think guides have a lot of fun when they put on these plays with/for us. Humor is said to play a part in the spirtual world.

For example, there is this funny story in the Seth book. Seth is the channeled character by Jane Roberts. Seth has a story where he works as a guide for an incarnate man and greets him after his death by putting on 'a show' to fit this man's belief system at first (to avoid shock), then only later he would reveal that it is not quite the truth.

http://books.google.de/books?id=6h-YL3T ... &q&f=false

It's great that your learning theme keeps going on! You seemed worried about this no longer happening on another thread.

Yes, but I was (or am) only disturbed that it does not go on in more than "normal" dream work. I wanted more lucid dreams, projections and the whole exciting bag of experiences.
These dreams (the horse, the ceremony, the school and seminar classes) are all just "normal" dreams without complete lucidity (possibly they have partial degrees of lucidity as mentioned in Kurt's list).

[poème]

You mean that despite a lack of lucidity we can 'intuit' or 'feel' things to be true; to be more exact: we remember - besides the content of the dream scene - the feeling we had during this scene, when we assess it with our reasoning mind later in the physical waking consciousness.

I'd even say that in the dreamstate, we simply know what is going on and who we are meeting. The reasoning mind does not know - I believe it is not its function to know anyway. It is supposed to draw conclusions based on observed material (ideally, but it's not always doing its job well ! )

But possibly it's just one of their appearances - which might as well be their selves they were once during their incarnation cycle, which might be finished already if they are teachers/guides/angels.

In Michael Newton's books on hypnotherapy it is described how guides and assistants (often they are 2 with one 'trainee' learning the tools of the trade) can look like. Of course, they are shape-shifters (and we can be too if we want to) and adjust their appearance to the situation that fits (us) best.

They sure are shape-shifters. In my dreams, I'm pretty much aware that they seem to like to disguise themselves a lot, but I'm ok with that. I even find it funny! Actually, the only time I really felt that one of my guides showed himself in it's true appearance (or one I may have been familiar with, as you say) happened only recently. (The «dream» with the key that I described on another thread).

Michael Newton's books are on my «to-read list». I've read a small portion of the first book, which was available online, and it really looks interesting! Also,this story you give as an example is just so funny (the one from the Seth book). I may take a look at this book as well!

These dreams (the horse, the ceremony, the school and seminar classes) are all just "normal" dreams without complete lucidity (possibly they have partial degrees of lucidity as mentioned in Kurt's list).

I believe so too (about lucidity). I used to think that lucidity was always gained suddenly, like some big realization. But I've noticed since then that lucidity seem to show through in more subtle ways as well, as if it was normal to be lucid to some degree and there was no need to suddenly realize «This is a dream. I am lucid!». For instance, having access to everyday memories, remembering a previous dream in another dream, would you consider that to be normal or would you think this is some degree of lucidity?

Yes, but I was (or am) only disturbed that it does not go on in more than "normal" dream work. I wanted more lucid dreams, projections and the whole exciting bag of experiences.

I can understand that so well, though lately I just wish I could sleep! (Time for grounding maybe!) Let's cross our fingers so things get more exciting for both of us!

[Sinera]

yesterday I learnt that the horse is dead

[istia]

sorry for you...
so Beekeeper`s way of interpreting it was right?...
But when it was right then also this sentence of her will be right - I believe so too:

Resolving these feelings will be for your ultimate growth.

best wishes, Istia

Edit: I took the liberty of changing it to Beekeeper, though Barkeeper gave me a chuckle.

oh thank you and very sorry Beekeeper.