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    Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Well, I don't know what's happening lately, but dream results come in thick and fast now, so here is already my next installment of my little programming-series (sorry for all my 'forum spamming' today, but this one is at least a bit shorter).

    Again, I want to repeat my encouragement to try this affirmation yourself and report here, if you feel like it. Strange things might happen.

    Background: I had tried Retrievals a few months ago, but stopped for other things. Lately I read in CFT's dreaming thread about dream retrieval drills. So I took this as an incentive that I might try this again to get insights - this time with dreams instead of Bruce Moen's techniques or lucid projections.

    In projections, so far I did not get to retrieve s.o. although sometimes I met people and later (when back/awake again) asked myself if this had been the opportunity to retrieve s.o., but could not settle it at all. I should get used to talking to people I meet in lucid dreams/projections, but mostly I was busy with trying to get away because I had my own agenda. I might have missed opportunities or thwarted "simulations" made for me (see Kurt Leland thread).

    One dream, a few weeks ago, might hint to a further development in this area. The "retrieval specialist facilitator" I identified as a brown-haired girl named Ludmilla before (still am not sure at all if she is genuine or just my own creation) popped up in another dream.
    It was a dream when I was initiated as a teacher trainee and waiting with others of my "class" on the court / playground of my own former elementary school. We watched school kids playing. Then our teacher trainer (an older woman, aged 50-60, with glasses) came to pick us up, she also talked to me, and then we (class of trainees and teacher) went into a classroom for teacher training. Ludmilla was present too and shortly talking to me. So I took this as a hint of (possibly) being admitted to a kind of 'retriever trainee class' (since Ludmilla is a retriever, too). But as always ... it might have meant sth completely different. It could have to do with my language teacher training in physical life, but my intuition tells me it didn't (also because I seem to have dropped this ambition now again ... yeah, momentarily I am pretty capricious at my life plans).

    Anyway, this is just the intro, so here is the affirmation I did (date Feb 23):

    "Give me a lesson on retrievals"

    This is what I got (again, the same night!):

    It was only a short scene, in an array of different dreams. It started from sth that took place in a restaurant chain (either pizza hut or mcdonalds). I have forgotten any other dreams around it. This is what got stuck (and there might be a reason for it):

    I sit at the table and talk to about 4-5 other people who are sitting there facing me.

    Forthrightly, I tell them that they are Ghosts.

    I demonstrate it to them by asking one woman, that is the foremost or the one most in the middle of them, to try to grab a bottle that is standing on the table.
    I show her that her hands glide through the bottle. (Another variation might be that I grab it myself with my hand and glide through it, or both, don't remember anymore).
    The woman smiles and seems not to be shocked or anything, I have no memory of the looks of the other table companions.

    It could be that I felt like being another person, a bit like an old 'confused' professor. Maybe it was just an "aspect" of mine I was adopting in this situation (giving other people a "lecture" or at least my opinion about sth I was sure of being right about...). Again, this is just an assumption.

    Also, it might be, but only MIGHT be, since I do only vaguely remember her appearance that this woman was the above-mentioned Ludmilla. If so, this would clearly indicate it was a test or exercise (or both).

    And if so, did I pass it? Not sure. I could have been more tactful. Telling retrievees that they are ghosts now is possibly not the best way to approach them, when consideration is necessary.
    However, I know I would not do this when I was doing this in a lucid state. So I cannot make anything definite out of this test .. or drill or lesson or meeting or whatever it was. (Definitely it was only a simulation or exercise, and not a real retrieval).

    I will keep affirming this for the coming nights, since it is a VERY interesting development. I would LOVE to become a human helper in the non-physical, btw., that's why I am also doing it.

    Maybe my application (or training) is in the works now.
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    Re: Repeated Dream - It's a message?

    "No, we can't do this, Thomas! We get on stage with completely unfinished songs. We did not play them live before. They are not ready! We are not ready! I can't do this. The first song on the list, our intro song, I don't even know it at all. And even the older songs are not rehearsed enough anymore. We need to cancel the gig tonight. I can't do this. We need to rehearse more and get this in order before we perform live again. (...)"
    Well, this is not an entirely literal but a well-paraphrased harangue that my Dream-Self gave the singer of my band in the early 90ies, Thomas (not his real name), during sound-check and stage build-up preparations on the event location and hours before our actual gig should be taking place there the same night.

    It's the apparent culmination of another remarkable and memorable dream night. The first night ever in my life where I experienced the SAME dream THEME over and over again. I guess it was probably 3-4 times with slight variations, but actually the same dream re-occurring in intervals (includes waking and getup times in-between).

    My speech from above was from the last of this "series", which was the most vivid of all, (but the others resembled it in content, almost to being identical) and describing this one last dream will thus be enough:

    I am with my band again which I had up to the mid-90ies in physical life. I was the drummer then. The band dissolved in 1994 and after that I never got to play in bands again.
    In the dream, we are already on-location in the afternoon doing the organisational and technical building up and soundcheck, as is usual routine in band life before a "gig" (as we musicians call it). I think I remember the location that it is supposed to be, a relatively small stage in an almost pub-like location (oh yes ... we had bigger stages! and I think in one of the previous dreams it was on such a bigger stage in an outside location).
    But something is not right with me. Somehow I have an observer attitute that "knows" I have not done this for years (since the mid-90ies) and I don't know how to perform our own songs anymore. Actually, I don't want to perform at all. I want to cancel it all. But I still go along with the preparations and all. I still hope sth might happen that the gig will be cancelled somehow.
    (You know, it's one of those dreams that we all have so often. Sth bad or disagreeable is about to happen that we don't want to happen. Somehow - on upper level (observer) - we also know it won't happen, since it is a simulation and we know it. Still we have to go through it with all the thoughts and emotions to be experienced. I have had many of these kinds of dreams before. However, as said before, I NEVER had repeated dreams in one night.)
    Final scene: I am sitting with my singer/guitarplayer and the other two band colleagues (bass player, lead guitar player) at a table and we are discussing the setlist of the songs (which we really did quite often before gigs). I again try to convince the singer who does the list that we postpone the gig for the known reasons (see above). The singer mentions an intro song, which I don't know at all. I tell him that this is nonsense and it's going to be a desaster,we are not prepared at all, we will have to improvise and ad-lib all the time. Meanwhile, I also see a technician working on the technical equipment who is also not satisfied with something, there might be problems also with the PA system. It all does not bode well for me. Dream ends at this point (again).

    So you might well ask, why did I put this in this Retrievals-thread instead of opening another "repeated dream in one night" thread? It's because I think I programmed it with this affirmation, too.
    Last night I did some firm affirmations for doing a Retrieval or being a helper somehow and talked to my guide to help me to have a go at it. I also affirmed for getting lucid out-of-body (AP) and then to remember that I want to do a Retrieval (makes sense since oob I often forget what I wanted to do, really, now this sucks!, but it happens all the time with me, I leave half of my "mind" behind). APing did not happen, as usual, neither did getting lucid. :cry:

    Again, there is a straight message for me. I can only refer it to the Retrieval affirmation which I did that night. So I regard it as a kind of "response" by my Guide or sub/super-conscious (Higher Self), which I now paraphrase as this:

    "First, You Need To Rehearse More. You Need To Be Better Prepared. You Need To Study/Learn More Before We Get To Do The 'Real Thing'."

    Still, it all leaves me quite unsatisfied because I don't know what to do next. Maybe I should just ask for further drills and lessons?

    However, I am also confused as to my emotional state during the dream. This was about my lack of will to do it at all. So it might also mean for me to let it be altogether and try sth else instead?

    However, recently I had the impression during 1 or 2 nights that I got sth which is called "Dreamstate Lessons" in another thread here. I was told about sth, e.g. once the topic was "Communication". But that is all that got stuck. Maybe sth got 'downloaded' into my subconscious storage space again? But I have no idea, to be honest. It was also on another night with that same affirmation -with no other relevant dreams resulting or remembered.

    So I am going to ask for more lessons or created simulations (the latter expression referring to Kurt's thread) now and see what happens.

    I also wonder, just in general, why guides (if it was my guide) or my HS does not communicate directly with me. Why does never any guide just 'pop up' and tell me just the way it is? My goodness, this starts to suck! Why do I have to go to these great lengths of dream interpretation and still be uncertain about it - because I might be wrong? Probably I am.
    So what's the reason for that permanent blurriness of meaning? Poetry? Humour? Lack of communication skills? A kind of Intelligence Training by getting exercises to interpret dream images and develop my "inner senses" (again, this reminds me of K. Leland or the Seth books)? Anyway, this practice slowly starts to get on my nerves, I would like to get clearer messages now.

    (ps: There's one more funny little detail, that seems to underline and point to the humour hypothesis: I do not remember it clearly, but the opener song that my singer wrote down, and that which I did not know at all, was played to me with a short snippet and I remember parts of the song title.It was sth like "heart" but eventually it also might be a "heard" in it. There might also be a negation prefix and the definite article "the". So this would even result in a song title like "The Unheard" or, if we add some syllables - still funnier and even more significative - it gets "The Un(re)hear(se)d". )
    Could there be any more meaningful song title then? )
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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Hello, Volgerle.

    The amount of recall might not necessarily be important for the usefulness of a lesson. You exist on all levels, and these levels have their own memory and recall and can retain it. Even if it doesn't get fully recalled into waking self memory it has happened as an energetic transformation.

    I get these short recalls that kind of tell me what happened or that I just know what was going on without getting any details. I call them "post cards" from other parts of myself, keeping me updated about what is going on. It's a bit challenging to just take note of it and let it happen, but I try to accept it.

    The problem in communication seems to be ourselves not understanding while the communication seems to be available at all times. By doing dream and symbol interpretation you are opening up to the part of yourself that can make this translation happen. Over time first the symbolism will get clearer (a more definite translation table will be established) and I guess then a more straight communication will happen.

    You could take a look at Robert Monroe's books and then compare when the first interesting and fully understandable exchanges happen. It wasn't day one. But over time Monroe developed this skill and went from overly symbolic experiences to ever more clear and straightforward experiences. I think he makes a nice template for this. His remarks about the complexity of NVC (Non-Verbal Communication) seem to indicate that it took him quite a while to develop that fluency.

    Cheers,
    Oliver

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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Quote Originally Posted by Korpo
    The amount of recall might not necessarily be important for the usefulness of a lesson. You exist on all levels, and these levels have their own memory and recall and can retain it. Even if it doesn't get fully recalled into waking self memory it has happened as an energetic transformation.
    I'm glad to read that... I'm so forgetful too! Last time I asked for answers to come through my dreams, I first received a lengthy letter explaining the ABCs of what I asked for. I even took the time to read it very carefully and multiple times to be sure I would understand and remember it, but when I woke up... Yes I could remember the dream, but NO I could not remember the content of the letter... Except one little thing that was definitly not the most important part! Then I fell asleep again, and I dreamt again about what I asked. This time, I received a phone call and I chatted a long time with someone who, again, tried to explain something obviously important to me, but again, I forgot the whole content of the conversation when I woke up!
    So it's good to know that the memories are still kept somewhere... Even though the conscious mind apparently went a little lazy on the translation here!

    Quote Originally Posted by Volgerle
    So you might well ask, why did I put this in this Retrievals-thread instead of opening another "repeated dream in one night" thread?
    I've been wondering this all along as I was reading the first part of your post, yes, but ok.. Got it now!

    Quote Originally Posted by Volgerle
    I would like to get clearer messages now.
    How about asking exactly that? Ask for an answer as clear as possible... and for poetry to be kept for another time

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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Quote Originally Posted by Korpo
    You exist on all levels, and these levels have their own memory and recall and can retain it.
    Reminds me of Charles Tart's good ol' "state specific memory" hypothesis.

    "State-specific memory is illustrated in the old folk advice that if you lose something while you're very
    drunk and can't find it the next day, one way to increase your chances of finding it is to get very drunk again. Recent
    laboratory research is now confirming the existence of such state-specific memory for alcohol intoxication (Godwin
    and Powell, 1969), and experiential reports suggest it exists for many other d-ASCs."

    - C.W. Tart (http://www.thegod720.com/Charles-Tart-P ... States.pdf)

    It also is highly logical when we assume the bodies/planes-approach. Every body has access to a certain plane (e.g. mental body/plane) and thus certain capabilties, including memory that almost exclusively pertains to this plane and can be best accessed "there". (Same goes for the "focus" view in my opinion).

    Quote Originally Posted by Korpo
    I get these short recalls that kind of tell me what happened or that I just know what was going on without getting any details. I call them "post cards" from other parts of myself, keeping me updated about what is going on. It's a bit challenging to just take note of it and let it happen, but I try to accept it.
    But do you recall any instances when you could use the 'encrypted' info-download announced by the short (postcard) message later in a different state of consciousness, e.g. in the Astral? According to this theory, we must be able to access and use it somehow and anytime. Or is it subconscious routines that get kind of "installed" and we will never really notice it but just 'automatically' behave differently or know intuitively?
    If I understand you right, the "postcard" you always get would thus be comparable to a kind of "installation message" ...

    But when do we get to use the software (or to know at all what it is that was being installed)?

    Quote Originally Posted by poème
    Quote Originally Posted by Volgerle
    So you might well ask, why did I put this in this Retrievals-thread instead of opening another "repeated dream in one night" thread?
    I've been wondering this all along as I was reading the first part of your post, yes, but ok.. Got it now!
    You see, I am now into prosaic dramatizing and thus raising the entertainment factor of my posts in order to recompensate a bit for their length, so that I might keep any prospective readers interested or even a bit on tenterhooks .

    Quote Originally Posted by poème
    Quote Originally Posted by Volgerle
    I would like to get clearer messages now.
    How about asking exactly that? Ask for an answer as clear as possible... and for poetry to be kept for another time
    I think that does not work somehow. It's the same with a "clear" y/n-answer I wanted in my job change (now PE1) thread, it is just not our normal communication mode through dreams, so far.
    Meanwhile, I really hope it will be for me as Korpo wrote above -
    Over time first the symbolism will get clearer (a more definite translation table will be established) and I guess then a more straight communication will happen.
    - so that it will get easier and clearer over time. It seems that my information channels (send and receive) and used language/symbolism are still to be cleared and established.
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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Hello, Volgerle.

    I think right now you're watching the little blue progress bar move from left to right, you just haven't noticed yet. Just wait for the reboot at the end.

    Cheers,
    Oliver

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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    PS - I remembered something from the night before last. It was part of the larger experience I wrote down. I was trying to someone what I had seen (a nuclear power plant) and I wanted to point out some specific aspect and differences, so I suddenly had this 3D schematic model (like the ones shown on computer screens in movies, but in front of me without any screen) with colored markers that I was zooming into for demonstrating what I was talking about.

    I'd say this was non-verbal communication - we exchanged information through a shared picture that would not have been as easily conveyed else.

    Cheers,
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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    A few days ago I had a dream, first it did not strike me as sth peculiar, at a second glance, well, see for yourselves, here are the notes from my logfile:
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    I help s.o. (unknown to me) in an office building. We walk along the corridor and search for the right office door to knock on.
    I find it and show him, then go back again and search for another one.
    I see him knock at two doors at once (left and right!) with too much intensity, the doors almost vibrate. I scold him for that, also say it is the wrong doors.
    I go to another one but see that he entered the room.
    I follow him and see there two office staff greeting him.
    I take a seat in the back and wait.
    ----
    I also remember that one of the two office clerks (a man about his 30ies) was smiling at me for a short moment, as if he knew me or so. I did not know any of the people involved, though.
    The notes don't say it but the office was a typical public builing in style. It was like a kind of city administration / municipal office where you get or apply for documents, get registered, etc.
    The guy I accompanied or even guided there indeed seemed a bit clumsy in his looks and his way of acting (see his banging too loud on the doors). So yes, possibly he needed a 'helping hand' with this visit to the public authorities.

    Of course, I do not know if this was in any way a retrieval(-related simulation?) at all. On the other hand, I have absolutely no interpretation or explanation for this dream (I don't work in or with municipal offices and I don't even know any town hall clerks).
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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Tonight I had a new one that might fall into this category. I named it 'The Liberation Of The Locked-Up Girl'.

    I am with a girl in a room who locked herself in to hide from a bad guy or was locked up by him, which is not clear. It is a fat and sturdy guy. Not friendly looking. I don't know if I am her friend, just a 'helper' or even a lover or whatever, but I am there to help her out.

    I open the window which leads to an asphalted backyard (no gardens, also other houses in a square around it, usual big city backyard) and see that the height is possible for an escape because we can jump onto some canopies, roof parts and dustbins. We hear (or feel) him approach and so I jump out first and help her out by catching her somehow.

    Change of scene: I am then in a kind of lobby of the same house or a house nearby. I don't know where the girl is then, maybe hiding somwhere. I see the bad guy pass by on the street outside. I am not afraid of him, even feel a bit sorry for this bloke.

    Change of scene again: We arrive at the girl's home. She goes on into her room where a bunch of friends is waiting for her and greets her with joy.

    Before I enter this room (which is somehow strangely narrow to enter) I speak to a middle-aged woman who could be her mother. I do not remember any content of the exchange, but she seemed appreciative (even grateful?) towards me, she smiles (in a serene way at me) and seems to acknowledge me as a new 'friend' (or more?) of her daughter (?).

    Then I enter the room. All (approx. 5-6 young people) are on the floor sitting on bolsters and cushions. The girl is talking excitedly all the time. I join them, but she seems for the time being have forgotten about me. I get into a conversation with a blond bloke. We talk about the smell of towels (). The girl herself goes on talking and talking I don't know about what (but it might be about her imprisonment of course), the others listening. She is happy and at peace (being among her closest friends now as it seems).

    In the dream, I am maybe still into that boy-dates-girl thing, so I was not too delighted to join the company of her buddies (which I did not know, I knew no one before). Maybe I wanted to have a more private (intimate) get-together with her then.

    Anyway, in retrospect, I feel happy about this dream because it became so obvious that this girl (and her 'mother') were very happy now.

    Maybe this was another dream retrieval (simulation)? Who knows.
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    Re: Programming Experiment 3: Retrieval Lessons

    Perhaps or it could be a self-aspect, either yours or a fragment of a living person.
    "A dream is a question, not an answer."
    (Therapist and dreamworker Strephon Kaplan
    Williams)

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