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    Akashic_Librarian Guest

    Which is more effective?

    Which is more effective, a blank-mind trance or a a contemplation trance?

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    Whichever you can achieve without getting frustrated. Sometimes mixing them up is the best for me. If I attempt to blank my mind at first all I get is negative thoughts in reaction to all the stuff that comes up. If I contemplate on something, after a while I move into the "nothing" stare, (what I call it), it is more natural for me, and more achievable.
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    It all depends on what you are trying to accomplish. If you are seeking the bliss state or beingness, a blank mind, toning, using a mantra, Omm, etc. can be effective. The toning, mantras, etc. are just ways to get you to a blank mind state. Most people have a hard time making their mind go blank and need a little something to help.

    If you want to contact people who have crossed over, do inner child work, talk to a body part and heal it, past life regression, contact guides, or phase, then a more active state (such as contemplation or self-guided meditation) seems more productive.

    Of course, everyone is different, so this probably doesn't hold true for everyone. But, this is how I teach it in my hypnosis practice and my spiritual development group, and so far, it's worked really great.

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    stargazer Guest
    Quote Originally Posted by Painterhypnogirl
    If you want to contact people who have crossed over, do inner child work, talk to a body part and heal it, past life regression, contact guides, or phase, then a more active state (such as contemplation or self-guided meditation) seems more productive.
    If you have a moment or two, could you post some tips or favorite techniques? Thank you!!

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    Whoa, that's a tall order. I could be writing all day long. There are hundreds of hypno techniques. Could you be more specific about what you are interested in. If you narrow it down, I'd be willing to write about it.

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    stargazer Guest
    Well, I feel like there's so much I don't know about the various hypno states...

    I would have to say active over passive... a good "Mind awake body asleep" baseline to springboard to clairvoyance, core image work, or phasing.

    Did that narrow it down any? If it didn't, I'd be happy if you posted any one of your favorite techniques.

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    Hmmmm...I've never used deep trance for purposes of clairvoyance. It's all just come naturally to me. If I'm doing remote viewing, I just calm my mind and start writing things that are coming to me. I think developing chakras is more the way to go for clairvoyance. Aunt Clair could probably answer this better than me. She studies what she does. I just kind of wing it.

    "Mind awake, body asleep" is more of a passive trance...calming the mind, calming the body. That's one of those "practice, practice, practice" things. I suppose you could use guided imagery by starting at your toes, visualizing and relaxing them at the same time, and slowly move up your body. That's what I do with clients for a hypnotic trance, but the goal is different. I'm not trying to get their body asleep for astral traveling or phasing. I'm trying to get them to a physically and mentally relaxed state where they are deeply focusing, but still able to talk. There is a lot of talking going in hynotherapy...both the hypnotherapist and the hypnotee. I don't want their body "asleep" as it would cause to much emotional distress. (Most people coming to a hynotherapist aren't looking to astral travel).

    So, to phasing. I haven't been able to have a full blown conscious OBE yet. I can get out of my body, then all I have are vague memories. I've been doing "phasing" for years, but never knew what it was called until reading about it on AP forum. So, here's my technique. It probably differs from the technical phasing, but it works for me.

    * I relax my body and mind, going into a deep trance. I can do this pretty quickly since I've been doing it so long. But, essentially it's another "practice, practice, etc" thing. Using a passive technique helps with this. Blank mind by practicing in very small increments, letting any thoughts drift in and out without getting uptight about them is important. Then you keep increasing the amount of time that you can go blank. I somehow go into a black crevice that I call "the Nothingness". It's completely dark and still. Now, I can close my eyes and repeat "nothingness" and I get there. Again, that's from lots of practice.

    * I don't want to go too deep if I am going to work on something or I'll end up in the "beingness" state, which is a different frequency than the astral plane. Some call it "higher", but there really is no up or down, higher or lower. So there must be a balance of being very relaxed, in a deep trance, but with very focused thinking abilities. I've never noticed my body being "asleep" with this method, but I am not even aware of having a body. So, I wouldn't know if it was asleep or not. I THINK this is similar to what Aunt Clair likes to do. It's a moving of your consciousness rather than your astral body. She has a name for it that I can't remember right now. For me, it's more of a going within than going without like an RTZ OBE.
    * Then, to phase to meet guides, I put my focus on the "perfect" place that I have built in the astral. Mine is on a mountain top, inside a small valley which is surrouded by pine trees, clear blue sky, waterfall to the left, multi-colored flowers everywhere (which sing to me, by the way), a water fountain with stone benches around it in the center, paths running through the flowers, and an arched gateway behind me to the right. There is another arched gateway to the right and far away, at the farthest end of the meadow. I know, elaborate. It actually gets even more elaborate than that. What can I say, I'm an artist.
    * So, to meet guides, I quietly sit on the bench and wait for them (or him) to come through the farthest away arch and meet me to talk at the fountain. I never know who is going to show up. The highest one is always very busy and only comes in for very important things. By the way, this is how I also meet my Higher Self, which appears as a shimmering light that merges with me and gives me information.
    * For past life work, I start at a dirt path on the right that stretches very far back. You have to focus your intent that you want to experience a past life. As I head towards the gated archway I go very slowly until I start becoming aware of things. Sometimes looking down to see what is on my feet, or whether I'm barefooted, or don't have feet at all. As things start emerging, and I am becoming more aware of being in a different place and time, by the time I step through the arched gateway, I am in a full blown past life. I have a very different technique when working with clients. For some reason, I don't go to past lives anymore. I always end up in the "beingness" state or an OverSoul state.

    I have to stop now, as I am getting a brow chakra beating that we were talking about in another thread. If you want to know more techniques, more detail, or don't understand something, let me know. I'll check this thread regularly.

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    Nay Guest
    Wow, thanks for that Patti. Interesting what you call passive trance. A few years ago, quite often, while I was relaxing my youngest would always come in a interrupt causing me to either stop completely or start over which sucked just as bad. After a few times I realized that if I was very careful I could talk to Zach without disturbing the trance that I had obtained at that point. So, I guess that was a passive trance I had myself in.

    And I too have come across a tall shimmer human form, I say he because it just seems to be a tall man but has no features or a well defined shape and he looks like he is filled with stars. I never thought of it being my higherself, but he did help me each time I saw him...well, I don't know if helped is the right word, he "transported" me to different locations. That sounds more like a guide, doesn't? Whomever, I'm grateful.

    Your special place sounds wonderful! I visit a couple of houses and water locations.. I love the water. Just last night I was trying the "phasing" method again and I noticed that I keep finding myself in a open area surrounded by tall trees. When this scene starts to come into view it looks exactly like a drawing I did years ago. Wonder what that's all about..
    I paint and draw too, btw..hehe.. can we possibly have more in common?

    I need to add new stuff to my page and you need to post some of your stuff. But here's some of my work. muse, if you look, be kind.

    http://community.webshots.com/user/naykyd I forgot that one isn't a painting or drawing.. "space" is done on one of those computer programs, it was actually fun doing that.

    Take Care,
    Nay

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    WOW!!! Nay, those are gorgeous!! I'm really impressed. I haven't painted on canvas in years, but I have two HUGE wall murals in my house that I started over 4 years ago, got about 3/4 completed and haven't finished. (My husband is NOT happy, one of them is of the French wine country, and it's in his gameroom/wineroom). When I finish them (please, don't hold your breath - hazardous to your health), I'll try to post them...IF I can figure out this computer thingie.
    Soulsista' PattY

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    Nay Guest
    Thank you PattY! sorry about the i

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