OBE attempts v2.0 Journal

[CFTraveler]

So you believe that my problem isn't necessarily exit techniques, but becuase I'm not in deep enough trance?

Possibly, if you're moving while trying to exit, yes.

And also because my energy body isn't loosened enough?

Not so much 'not loose enough', but there seems to be a need for more control, which is why I gave you the above exercises.

I find it weird... cuz sometimes I do feel as though I've exited (like just today i tried, and it kinda felt like I exited, but not so sure) but I couldn't see anything at all.

Vision is irrelevant to projecting, it is common to have no sight at times when in the RTZ, because your energy body doesn't have 'eyes', interaction is information gathering, like radar. Especially if you're close to your physical body. If you exit and can't see, get away from your physical body, or leave the room if possible. If vision doesn't come back, request it forcefully.

I also get what i can only describe as "fake vision"... I'm imagining what I can see, but I can't ACTUALLY see anything.

I'm not sure what you mean by this- it sounds like you're perceiving your environment with your energy body (like radar) which is normal. Sometimes you process them as vision, sometimes you don't.

I get indescribable sensations throughout... they are weird in the sense that they aren't like vibrations, but they are different than me just laying there. Sometimes it feels like I exit, then it'll feel like i exit again, and a little while later it happens again.... so this is why I'm a little confused if I'm really exiting or not. Do you get what I mean or am I just weird?

Not weird, but you sound confused. If you're having multiple exits, it sounds like you're stuck in a loop, and it's a matter of time and practice, but you are projecting, it seems to me.

[Guitarmaster72]

Today I tried projecting and I was in such a deep trance that I in fact drifted in and out of sleep like 2 or 3 times. When I projected, I think it was successful, but I could only feel myself standing... whenever i would try to move, I couldn't.... it's like I could feel my legs try to walk, but something was keeping my upper body in place preventing me from going anywhere. I've tried demanding sight and/or clarity, and even travelling far away from my physical body, but still nothing . even though it did feel like projection, it felt very unreal... I thought it felt like projection, but I'm unsure... I also couldn't feel much, I only thought I might've been standing in my astral body :/

[Guitarmaster72]

Last night was amazing! I attempted to project, and about halfway into it, I felt that sensation where it's like you're spinning around or like doing numerous backflips or whatever, so I tried to intensify this sensation as much as i could. It was going well until it felt like I entered another dimension. I couldn't feel my body anymore, or rather, if I could, it was indescribably relaxed. Like this was a whole new level of relaxation. I know when people say they're super relaxed and said it was great, but this was far better than anything I ever experienced or could imagine. I'm not sure I necessarily wanna say it was relaxation, but more or less healing... to the point where it was tickling all over (not an uncomfortable tickle, if you know what i mean) and I felt almost sexually aroused. I would've remained in this state for like another half hour before growing tired of it and trying to sleep normally, if not for my insanely retarded cokatiel (spelled incorrectly, correct spelling thinks I'm trying to say something dirty lol) who thought it was a good idea to fly around my room in the dark at 4 AM and fall down behind my headboard... it took me what i think was like 5 or 10 minutes before i could awaken from this super deep trance of awesomely tastic comfort power. It also took me like 20 minutes just making sure he got out and was safe back in his cage.

This was just indescribably amazing and I hope i can get it to happen again and maybe perhaps get vivid AP/LD's

[Beekeeper]

I hope you can too. Maybe the ####atiel was drawn to the energy.

[CFTraveler]

The ####@tiel thing made me laugh.

[Beekeeper]

[Guitarmaster72]

Last night was odd... last night I stayed up later than I ever have all summer, and i tried to obe, and it was feelin good for awhile... but I grew tired of just lying there, so I turned over and tried to go to sleep, but I couldn't fall asleep for the life of me. But I couldn't get fully out of SP either. There were times where I was able to move around for a few seconds but had to sit back down again and couldn't move afterwards... and I couldn't fall asleep after I fell back down. Is this normal or was this just a random case of insomnia? Do obe's like throw off your sleep pattern or no? aren't obe's basically sleeping anyways?

[CFTraveler]

Do obe's like throw off your sleep pattern or no?

The practice of OBE cultivation does mess with your sleep cycle, and the long answer belongs in the second part of your question.

aren't obe's basically sleeping anyways?

OBEs happen while you sleep, but you don't remember them, just like dreaming.
When we practice OBE induction, what we are basically training to do is
1-stay awake while our bodies fall asleep
2-remember the event.
When you go to sleep normally, your brain goes through a series of patterns, from alpha all the way to delta, and from there it wakes up slowly back to alpha- this last part of the cycle is when you remember whatever you were dreaming/experiencing, and where hypnopomps happen.
When you practice OBE, what you are training for is to remain in alpha even after you are in theta- what scientists call 'alpha intrusion'- that way your conscious mind experiences what is happening as you move from body awareness to nonphysical awareness- something that you don't do consciously while you sleep.
On top of that, when you are starting out you tend to stay awake as you train yourself to observe yourself falling asleep- something that messes with your sleep patterns.
The good news is that this 'traumatic' sleep interruption smoothes out as your psyche begins to get used to this practice, and you go back to 'normal'. But it is recommended that you get more sleep to begin with (after a while you don't need the extra time) or move your practice to the morning.

[Guitarmaster72]

I recently had another one of those nights where it was beyond your typical relaxation, but it wasn't really as intense as the first time. Eventually it got to the point where I started to feel something I could only describe as a headache, but it didn't hurt really... I eventually woke up to grab a snack but my head just had this really weird tense feeling to it that was almost like a headache, but it didn't hurt at all. I'm not sure how I get this thing to happen, but I enjoy it when I do, and it doesn't go unnoticed! all I do is just whenever I feel as though my astral body is spinning, I just try to intesify the feeling as much as possible and I go into a world of awesome pleasure!

[Guitarmaster72]

I usually try to project every day after school (mostly cuz i go to bed real late and am tired throughout the day hehe). I don't typically do it after school to get more sleep, but mostly just to try and project (although in the end it does feel like i get more sleep). I think this daily practice is getting me better and better at it cuz today, when I thought I could exit, I tried, and I could feel my (non-physical) body moving and floating/drifting and I didn't get the usual physical body twitch I'd experience when trying to exit or move. Although I still can never see anything hehe. Sometimes I pretend that I can see, and it's almost like I can see things, but not really. (if you get what I'm sayin)... Sometimes if I just start drifting to sleep I'll see a random image or something that will spark my conscious mind to try and focus on it, but then it just disappears into the hazy blackish green blobs. If only they wouldn't go away when I actually realize they're there. I've also begun to notice it's incredibly hard to stay lucid while dreaming, cuz you just go "wow I know I'm dreaming" and I dunno, it must send some kind of trigger to the subconscious to wake your body up cuz it knows you're awake or somethin... I've never been able to have a really LONG lucid dream...