Astral beating. Possessing NEGS show themselves.

**sandrofabres** · 10th July 2011, 02:05 PM

(I am sorry, I am posting using the cell phone and probably he has a limit of characters. continuing...)
... and supported by the collective investigations of mediuns and psychics, this offenders were living people, that lived anddied in bad conditions (usually alcool or drug overdose), what put them in a very bad situation after death. They are usually captured by black magicians, because they still are attached in his etheric body and so they can very usefull in attacking the living, because they atheric double can be recharged with blood sacrifuces and so they have a lot of strength to cause much more severe attacks. Althougth a lot of attacks has personal reason behind, like revenges for acts from past lifes, there is too a "business", a kind of "project" that his like agenda disturb, difficult or block completely any subject that can do a work that help others. So, it is very natural, and in fact is a waited collateral effect, that persons interested in higher states consciense and talking freely about this, to awaken others too, will find sistematic but impersonal opposition from negs, while a materialistic or "instintive-oriented" people will go throught the life without even note this happenings, because if you are not usefull nor to you nor to others, you are unable to awake a opposition.

I dont know if , IN FACT, this offenders are, as the spiritualism affirm, real people that simply are aprisioned in their etheric double, unable to pass to the second death, or etheric empty shells now occupied by elementals or demons, like occultists from the Western Tradition probably could think, but in any case they are real enought to be faced like real beings. The only other point that I would like to add is: the appearence of these beings are deppendent of the beliefs of who see them. I, that never had a religion, see them like black men, but some others see them with horns and goat foot. And any person only need give a quick look in the goetic seals in solomonic magic and in "striped points" (in literal translation) from voodoo or any other african religion to perceive the similarities between goetic "demons"and african entities (not the orishas, obviously). The advantage of the spiritualist point of view (probably saw like very nayve for occultistas) that see all spiritual beings like humans and the belief in demons like result of distortion of perception and a church fantasy, is that the victim of the attack can see it like a thing that can and should be faced, while if the victim believes that she is victim of a demon, she probably will gave up.

**CFTraveler** · 10th July 2011, 05:15 PM

Well, to tell you the truth, someone said in a book that I'm reading, that the 'gods of any outgoing religion are the devils/demons of any incoming religion.
For example, the ancient celtic pagan gods were horned because it symbolized potency, and when the new religion came in and demonized the old gods, they began depicting demons as horned- a retooling of an image that was already established. That's why in some religions the symbol of the serpent is considered sacred (a symbol of fertility and the earth, since they go to ground when it's cold) and then it was used as a symbol of the devil in early christianity- the reassigning of a role in an already existing power figure.
So of course, you can assign any form to an entity, depending on your cultural conditioning, when you are perceiving the energetic 'feel' of the entity.
But once again, when we project we can see things that others are thinking (and fearing) about, and this makes these experiences more difficult to catalogue.
I can't tell you how many times I have projected to a terrifying situation only to see it months or years later on TV- getting me to think that maybe at the time I projected to someone else's creative mind, when they were thinking up a screenplay or book.

**sandrofabres** · 10th July 2011, 05:36 PM

yes, I think that the movies and videogames, recent phenomens in the human history, but very powerfull because their power to stimulate imagination and emotion in large groups simultaneously, can create a whole world and groups of characteres, really dificulting the interpretation of what we experience in astral. Maybe because this occultists usually don t give much attention to astral experiences.

Summerlander · 10th July 2011, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by Jake

I don’t want to play anymore! I am right back to where I started. Amidst thousands of memories of fully conscious OBE’s,,, I am back at the beginning. 
 
For those who don’t know me,,, My name is Jake. I am a natural astral projector. I have written a book about the experiences in my life, and I am an avid study of OBE and Astral Projection. I have read virtually every piece of literature on the subject, and attended Roberts P.A.P.I. last year. My projections are spontaneous,, not so much RANDOM. But spontaneous. I keep a journal and a list of goals. I do energy work EVERY DAY, and I meditate regularly. I have become quite sophisticated with my knowledge of OBE and the astral, and I find myself explaining it to others, quite often. I am a moderator at another forum site that deals with Alternative Media and Whistleblowers. 
 
My problem manifested the day that I started reading PPSD, by Robert! 
 
I used to have, (what I would call) Bully dreams. Dreams in which I was constantly being chased, harassed, tricked, hurt, confused etc,,, by a group of unknown assailants. They would often come along and ruin my OBE’s or LD’s. They take over the dream/astral event and begin ‘dragging me down’. This has been ongoing for a long time, and I have always thought that they were personal barriers that I had put up for myself. 
 
Well, last month I started reading PPSD. A couple of days later, the following Astral Event occurred; 
 
I woke suddenly from a deep sleep. It was about 3:00am and I was fully alert and conscious, trying to remember the dream that I was having. As I sat on the edge of the bed, contemplating whether or not to grab my journal,,, My front door was suddenly kicked in and 3 large black men with DEEP South African Accents rushed into the house and grabbed me and started beating me and dragging me out of the house. It was so sudden, I did not have a chance to react. My wife was screaming and my dogs were going nuts. They dragged me out of the house,,, I was being beaten and dragged and thrown around. These men were VERY angry and they were NOT going to let me go. I cannot describe the beating,,, they were trying to murder me. I found myself being dragged down a corridor of a tunnel or cave, as it was dark and the walls were brutally solid. I was being constantly beaten and thrown around. I realized, at this point, that this was not a physical event because they dragged me out of the house and now I was immediately in the tunnel. This was an astral event that I was NOT in control of. I had thought to myself that ‘it was going to be okay, this was as astral event, and I will wake from it soon’! But things just got worse. They finally threw me onto a rock slab. My body was dangling over the edge of a large pit. The most fierce and angry one of them yelled at me,,, “NOW YOU WILL BE WASHED IN MY BLOOD”!!! Just then, large amounts of blood and flesh were poured over me. LOTS of it! It seemed like buckets and buckets of blood and small bits of flesh. It was still very warm and I could taste it! My body was limp with exhaustion and pain. I realized that I would be murdered soon. I could feel the final blow as I phased back into the physical. I was still sitting on the side of the bed. I collapsed into a lump on the floor. I was exhausted and could not move. I remembered it all very clearly. 
 
This is, by far, the most devastating thing that has ever happened to me, physical or non-physical. 
 
 
The core image is my own. Ie,,, the bully dreams. But this was NOT the same. These things have been with me a looooong time. They are getting pretty angry with me. 
 
I have been having some pretty wonderful experiences with the ‘white light’ that will enter my ‘space’ once I have requested it. This is a deep trance practice that has been getting quite wonderful and amazing. 
 
I can only assume that this is what they were talking about. Immersing myself in the ‘white light’ is pissing them off!!! I did not know that they were there!! They clearly did NOT appreciate my love of the light, and now they have shown themselves. 
 
Core images have been corrupted, and now I have a full blown negative entity problem, complete with the incubus phenomenon. Sexual, deviant, FORCED dreaming and sexual sensations. 
 
Now that I have identified the NEGs,,, I full expect a BATTLE to ensue. I do not give up!! 
 
Has anyone dealt with this level of Neg before? I do not know what kind of countermeasures to put op now. These NEGS know my inside and out. It will be quite an experience, and I will need advice and help. I will keep this forum updated as the story unfolds. 
 
Please!!! Someone tell me that it is possible to get rid of these ****ers!!!

Hi! For most of my childhood I kept have false awakenings where I'd find myself in inaccurate replicas of the house (thought mummy made some changes to the house) I lived in at the time. A group of giggling naked men with a snow-like complexion would always come through the walls and chase me around the house. Then they would grab me and torture me. I told my mum and she was baffled. at the time she decided they were evil spirits so she burned some incense and they went away.

But now I can see why I had the false awakenings and why these men would attack me. They were archetypal beings representative of my state of mind at the time in my opinion. I was a child who was often teased with the boogieman by my older sister. I had little understanding of the world and many things scared me...hence the vivid nightmares. I believe they are dissonant states of mind which present themselves in order for us to face our fears. There is no need for a battle and you can stop fearing them or even running/hiding from them in a protective light. You don't need it. The best remedy is to have no fear of them and believe they can't hurt you. That is what I did.

When I discovered OOBEs three years ago I was encountering malicious entities too but then I decided that they don't exist but in my own mind. I stopped running. I can transmute them into whatever I want just with the power of thought because I simply believe that I can and I don't panic. Panic has long been cast out. Try this. Be open-minded about this approach and I guarantee you that it will yield results. Don't bother reading books about protection because this notion of protection only tells your subconscious that you need to be protected and conveys the notion of fear. Unless, of course, you think that the fact that you started reading Bruce's stuff and the start of these experiences occurring around the same time is merely coincidental, of course.

Remember Buddha? How did he defeat the demon Mara, lord of illusions? By simply realising that Mara was a part of him. Demons have no existence but a subjective one. Once you deny them their existence...they cease to be. It is the devil in all of us.

**Jake** · 11th July 2011, 04:01 PM

I can certainly see this event from different points of view, thanks to all.
It is clear to me now that I have to keep an open mind, and not come to too many grand conclusions regarding this experience. It could have been anything.

1) When it first happened, it felt like a 'karmic' tie. I felt some familiarity to the place that I was taken, and the assailants seemed to laugh at the fact that I was 'phasing' back to my body. Almost like they knew that there would be another time.

2) I then settled in to the idea that they were possesing negs, as described in PPSD.

3) I suppose it could be a psychic attack of another kind. Some other outside influence. It was very brutal.

4) A direct lesson from higher self. This makes the most sense.

5) A fear/panic reaction that ruined what would have been a completely different scenerio, if I would not have engaged a fear based creative event.

I should know better than to panic. It is a very 'fluid' situation in the astral, and these things can take on a life of their own. I will surely endeavor to be more prepared and balanced.

Summerlander · 11th July 2011, 07:05 PM

Oh man, I'm so glad! That's it! When they come, don't run and face them unafraid. Deny their existence no matter how real they look. Believe me I know what such experiences feel like. I've been there! and it is funny that you mention the laughing as you phased back. Mine laughed too.

Even if they grab you, just remember that you will not be harmed in any way (physically) and don't let any trauma form in your mind. Believe that you are in control. No fear. Say to yourself that there is nothing they can do to you that will make you scared. Maintain that serene mind. He who is not worried about what will become of him is free in the mind.

**psionickx** · 11th July 2011, 09:17 PM

Originally Posted by Jake

My front door was suddenly kicked in and 3 large black men with DEEP South African Accents rushed into the house and grabbed me and started beating me and dragging me out of the house.

At the risk of sounding flippant or spouting sass - i'm just going to add that not to rout the aggressor here would seem like "3 large black men with DEEP voices had their way" with the OP ...that won't do now will it? ,specially not for (an author no less).

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

Well, to tell you the truth, someone said in a book that I'm reading, that the 'gods of any outgoing religion are the devils/demons of any incoming religion.
For example, the ancient celtic pagan gods were horned because it symbolized potency, and when the new religion came in and demonized the old gods, they began depicting demons as horned- a retooling of an image that was already established. That's why in some religions the symbol of the serpent is considered sacred (a symbol of fertility and the earth, since they go to ground when it's cold) and then it was used as a symbol of the devil in early christianity- the reassigning of a role in an already existing power figure.
So of course, you can assign any form to an entity, depending on your cultural conditioning, when you are perceiving the energetic 'feel' of the entity.
But once again, when we project we can see things that others are thinking (and fearing) about, and this makes these experiences more difficult to catalogue.
I can't tell you how many times I have projected to a terrifying situation only to see it months or years later on TV- getting me to think that maybe at the time I projected to someone else's creative mind, when they were thinking up a screenplay or book.

Originally Posted by Beekeeper

This is an interesting thread. Around the time I started NEW and conscious projecting, I had a similar series of dreams. Only once were African perpetrators involved. This was violence that was directed from a shaman towards a young African man that he betrayed and dropped down a well. I observed at a distance of several metres, across a lava flow. It doesn't sound horrendous but the atmosphere was thick with a sense of evil and I had deep understanding of each player's feelings. It was such a terrible abuse of power and the shaman was a true psychopath.
In another, I was an Afro-American woman. I physically fought with a man who had abducted me after I'd witnessed his crime, biting and punching, knowing he intended to murder me. At the time, I posted something about it because there was a thread about a lobster like entity that Aunt Claire's group had identified. During the fight, the man shoved "my" face"into a lobster like creature and I heard it crunch. What I didn't mention is the manner in which he murdered "me". I was a little too embarrassed to mention it but I'm less so now - it was a stab to the genitals, an upwards thrust.
The other abduction dream was by masked men. They bound me and left me alive in a coffin. It became a sleep paralysis experience after that.

Astounding!!

beam · 12th July 2011, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by CFTraveler

Well, to tell you the truth, someone said in a book that I'm reading, that the 'gods of any outgoing religion are the devils/demons of any incoming religion.
For example, the ancient celtic pagan gods were horned because it symbolized potency, and when the new religion came in and demonized the old gods, they began depicting demons as horned- a retooling of an image that was already established. That's why in some religions the symbol of the serpent is considered sacred (a symbol of fertility and the earth, since they go to ground when it's cold) and then it was used as a symbol of the devil in early christianity- the reassigning of a role in an already existing power figure.
So of course, you can assign any form to an entity, depending on your cultural conditioning, when you are perceiving the energetic 'feel' of the entity.
But once again, when we project we can see things that others are thinking (and fearing) about, and this makes these experiences more difficult to catalogue.
I can't tell you how many times I have projected to a terrifying situation only to see it months or years later on TV- getting me to think that maybe at the time I projected to someone else's creative mind, when they were thinking up a screenplay or book.

(they= the ROMAN catholic church)

they also wanted to make people scared of the old religions. so they demonized the pagan gods. they burned people at the stake all over the place, in an attempt to try to kill off the old ways. they burned/ stole books full of knowledge also.

imagine the reverse happening?? people watching violent tv shows/ reading explicit books, playing explicit games, etc...and that content then going into their subconscious minds...and into the other planes...

someone who shoots guns in a game all day, then watches some violent tv show, or even comedy with strange sexual inuendoes, and then goes to sleep...is surely trained and desensitized, and indoctrinated, to act on this. if they snap one day, or desire something who knows what might happen, because they are trained to shoot, or do some starnge sexual act, etc...

**CFTraveler** · 12th July 2011, 06:34 PM

I'm going to disagree with part of the premise, beam:

(they= the ROMAN catholic church)

Some factions (especially at first) did a lot of the destroying of the old pagan religions, but soon after they realized that it was easier to absorb them (which is why catholicism was so synchretic, taking pagan festivals and deities and finding saints and their feasts to merge with them- that's how the people could continue to celebrate the feasts and worship their deities while also absorbing some of the new 'deities' (saints) first mixed up with them and then substituting them, sometimes using the same sacred places with new names.
The worse destruction came with the Reformation, who realized that catholicism was not eradicating folk wisdom, just renaming it, and went on a systematic destruction of icons, proscribing all the old pagan feasts (now catholic feast days) and completely removing all manner of connection of the people to their old community-based activities. That's what hit the nail on the coffin.

imagine the reverse happening?? people watching violent tv shows/ reading explicit books, playing explicit games, etc...and that content then going into their subconscious minds...and into the other planes...

That's why they (Monroe, et al) called it the M(ental)-Band- it's a big ol' mess of ideas all tangled up which we perceive willy-nilly, and defines one of the things we projectors have to learn- to disentangle the mess and figure out what came out of what. Not always fun but always interesting.