Manifestation and Attraction - How does it work?

[Serpentarius]

I'm glad it worked well for you
I personally am not looking for something that works for me though. I am looking for the truth. Cold, hard truth. I want to know how Universe works, how metaphysics fit in. WHICH metaphysics fit in. What works and what is wishful thinking. What are the rules, and there are rules. Even 'no rules' is a rule.
It all works somehow, the Universe I mean. I simply want to know how.

[ButterflyWoman]

I personally am not looking for something that works for me though. I am looking for the truth. Cold, hard truth.

This is making an assumption that "truth" (whatever that actually is; so far nobody in the history of humanity has been able to define it) is somehow separate from "what works for you". In other words, that "truth" is "out there" somewhere, and you are apart from it.

I want to know how Universe works

I suggest a course in astrophysics.

how metaphysics fit in.

So you're going on the default "Objective Universe With Optional Metaphysical Extras" model. That's a really difficult model to work from, just for the record. It requires a lot of bending and twisting to get stuff to fit.

It all works somehow, the Universe I mean. I simply wont to know how.

Well, that's a worthy goal. But you're not that likely to find answers from or within the model you're using. Generally speaking, this kind of comprehensive view requires some shifts in perspective before any progress is made.

And if I'm speaking in riddles, I apologise. It's difficult to articulate what I'm trying to say. But the bottom line is, so long as your basic framework is grounded in the default model, you're going to have a difficult time achieving your goal, because much of the accepted pillars of the default model of reality block the answers you're looking for.

[Neil Templar]

I personally am not looking for something that works for me though. I am looking for the truth. Cold, hard truth. I want to know how Universe works, how metaphysics fit in. WHICH metaphysics fit in. What works and what is wishful thinking. What are the rules, and there are rules. Even 'no rules' is a rule.
It all works somehow, the Universe I mean. I simply want to know how.

How about getting on with experimenting with it then?
What works for you, is your personal truth.
Your truth doesn't have to be the same as mine, or anyone else's, for it to be true.
It seems to me, you're asking for a meta-physical answer, but you want it to come in a form that fits within the physical reality you believe to be the truth.
There is no cold hard truth. There are 7 Billion individual truths, being perceived by a single human each.

For me, manifestation has become easy.
I don't try to manifest, as if manifesting is something i can make happen, by sheer force of will, or focused thoughts.
I'm sure that path would yield results, but i don't reckon they'd be the quickest or most useful results.
I simply ask, sometimes quietly, to myself. Sometimes aloud, vocally. Sometimes publicly, perhaps on my facebook status.
I make a request, for the desired outcome, whether that be a new bike i need to get around cheaper, or more money coming my way. A suitable partner, or some information regarding something i need to know about.
I request the desired outcome, then step out of the way, and trust the Universe to do the work.
I trust the Universe (or my higher self, i see no difference, as i believe we are co-creators with and of the Universe) to know exactly what i need. I don't try to tell the Universe how to go about fulfilling my needs, as i truly don't know. If i did, i wouldn't be asking for help, would i?
I simply make the request, and let it get on with it.
The results can be astounding. Sometimes within a few minutes, sometime a year later, and never in the way i would have expected, had i had any expectations.
And that's the key - get rid of expectations.
Expectations, will only create resistance. Resistance to the Universe's quickest easiest path.
It'll utilise the people around you. It'll utilise your environment. It'll utilise your awareness. It'll bring opportunities your way, but if you're not aware enough, they might just slip on by, when the Universe has set them up perfectly for you...

I'd suggest getting over this idea that you need to know how it works. It works however it needs to work.
Get yourself (ego) out of the picture, and you'll find better results.
Try it.

[ButterflyWoman]

It seems to me, you're asking for a meta-physical answer, but you want it to come in a form that fits within the physical reality you believe to be the truth.
There is no cold hard truth. There are 7 Billion individual truths, being perceived by a single human each.

Well said. Wish I could have said it that succinctly.

[Serpentarius]

How about getting on with experimenting with it then?
What works for you, is your personal truth.
Your truth doesn't have to be the same as mine, or anyone else's, for it to be true.
It seems to me, you're asking for a meta-physical answer, but you want it to come in a form that fits within the physical reality you believe to be the truth.
There is no cold hard truth. There are 7 Billion individual truths, being perceived by a single human each.

Thanks Neil for your input. I think what I meant by truth is different from what you mean here. I am not talking about personal perceptions, interpretations, views or tastes each person has. What I mean by truth is reality - how things really are, for everyone.
For example: Is there an afterlife - either there is or there is not. Are there aliens currently on Earth - either there are or there are not. Can objects be moved with power of the mind alone - either they can or they can not. etc.
That's what I meant by reality, the truth - what is and what is not.

Thanks for your input about manifestation. Your method doesn't seem very goal orientated or under your control. You ask something of the universe and the universe makes the decision for you. Apparently in the end it's not up to you, it's not your call.

And if I'm speaking in riddles, I apologise. It's difficult to articulate what I'm trying to say. But the bottom line is, so long as your basic framework is grounded in the default model, you're going to have a difficult time achieving your goal, because much of the accepted pillars of the default model of reality block the answers you're looking for.

Thanks ButterflyWoman for your input. If I understand you correctly as long as I am restricted to certain default views I won't get the answers because the answers I'm looking for are not accepted in the default model. Is that correct?
Well the thing is I have no default model, no set views. I want to know haw thing really are and specifically if manifestation works. If it works then how does it work and how do you know it really works? Simple, no?

[Neil Templar]

Thanks Neil for your input. I think what I meant by truth is different from what you mean here. I am not talking about personal perceptions, interpretations, views or tastes each person has. What I mean by truth is reality - how things really are, for everyone.

But what i'm saying, is that reality is different for everyone, because everyone has differing beliefs, and therefore, creates a different reality for themselves. I know what you're asking. You want to know about the rules that govern the entirety of reality, but i would say the only rule is this - that your beliefs shape what is possible within your own co-created reality. That's the rule. The only rule. Within the scope that that rule provides, anything is possible, if you can deprogram your belief system enough to de-stabilise the group-consensus-created-reality around you. Which would basically mean you are existing in a different dimension form everyone else. I think In that case, the only limit to what is possible, would be your imagination.

Thanks for your input about manifestation. Your method doesn't seem very goal orientated or under your control. You ask something of the universe and the universe makes the decision for you. Apparently in the end it's not up to you, it's not your call.

Only if you consider yourself to be something separate from the Universe, which i don't.

[Giorgia]

But what i'm saying, is that reality is different for everyone, because everyone has differing beliefs, and therefore, creates a different reality for themselves. I know what you're asking. You want to know about the rules that govern the entirety of reality, but i would say the only rule is this - that your beliefs shape what is possible within your own co-created reality. That's the rule. The only rule. Within the scope that that rule provides, anything is possible, if you can deprogram your belief system enough to de-stabilise the group-consensus-created-reality around you. Which would basically mean you are existing in a different dimension form everyone else. I think In that case, the only limit to what is possible, would be your imagination.

I wonder how literal ìs that beliefs shape our reality , i mean if i started to believe in flying elephants would i start seeing them ? 'Cause i seem to grasp this concept only till a certain point like there's a range of possible outcomes for an event and my beliefs make one more probable and real ,okay ,but what about things that look impossible like flying elephants ...? Just beliefs would make them real ?

[ButterflyWoman]

Thanks ButterflyWoman for your input. If I understand you correctly as long as I am restricted to certain default views I won't get the answers because the answers I'm looking for are not accepted in the default model. Is that correct?

Well the thing is I have no default model, no set views.

You live in a complete vacuum? Not possible, sorry. You definitely have a model of reality, and you definitely have a point of view. You wouldn't exist, your reality wouldn't exist, without that.

I think you might get some benefit from reading up on quantum theory. There's a lot of stuff out there about the nature of reality. For example, the theory that the universe is actually composed of information can be helpful in understanding how thoughts/beliefs become our physical reality. Manifestation is not like baking a cake, where you have set ingredients and you mix them up and cook them a set length of time and, voila, a cake! It's an inevitable consequence of living in a reality which is fluid and generated out of information (data, energy, etc.). Until the inherent fluidity of reality is grasped, deliberately manipulating that reality (or attempting to do so, anyway) is very hit-or-miss. It comes right back to what I was already trying to convey, really.

That which we think of as "reality" is not that unlike a dream, in that it is generated by the Dreamer, and is interpreted by the Dreamer. You, as an aspect of the Dreamer, can intentionally manipulate aspects of your individual portion of the dream. What you experience and how it is interpreted is down to your unique mind. Things that are not experienced are things that are not allowed by the current configuration of that mind; things that are experienced are things which are allowed, or even generated with more or less conscious awareness. Simple, no?

[Neil Templar]

That which we think of as "reality" is not that unlike a dream, in that it is generated by the Dreamer, and is interpreted by the Dreamer. You, as an aspect of the Dreamer, can intentionally manipulate aspects of your individual portion of the dream. What you experience and how it is interpreted is down to your unique mind. Things that are not experienced are things that are not allowed by the current configuration of that mind; things that are experienced are things which are allowed, or even generated with more or less conscious awareness. Simple, no?

Well put.

[lycan]

Things that are not experienced are things that are not allowed by the current configuration of that mind; things that are experienced are things which are allowed, or even generated with more or less conscious awareness. Simple, no?

And how is that configuration changed?