Machine Elves?

**dreaming90** · 30th May 2012, 09:19 PM

The pineal gland has been the subject of speculation ever since the Muldoon and Carrington days. IIRC Thomas Campbell and Dennis Mennerick (two of Monroe's explorers) tried vibrating Tom's pineal gland at a rate of 4 hz. Tom stuck his head between two capacitor plates in order to do this. The only thing that happened was a migraine lasting about two weeks.

Stick to the binauarals, folks, seriously...

EDIT: Tom discusses the experience at TMI, see it at this link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhv-XCff4_I

In Tom's opinion AP has nothing to do with the pineal gland. Then again I have some basic disagreements with Tom, and the DMT trip reports are hard to ignore.

**greytraveller** · 30th May 2012, 07:09 PM

Greetings
Machine Elves are entities sometime encountered by psychonauts in "Hyperspace" during mind altering trips.
This is a Synchronicity for me. This is because during the past few days I read Many such trip reports on the internet and encountered the term Machine Elves in about a dozen of those accounts. (My goal here, btw, was to ascertain if the "Hyperspace" described in these psychoative trip reports is similar to, or the same as, the higher dimension that out of body travelers have reported visiting during their OBEs.)
The Machine elves encountered in Hyperspace were almost all a result of using a tryptamine substance, usually DMT (dimelthyltryptamine). Apparently Machine elves are a variant of the classic DMT elves that many a psychonaut has met in hyperspace.
Whether these elves and Machine elves are objective sentient discarnate creatures Or are only creations of the "trippers" own thought processes is presently unknown. Another question to consider is whether the elves could also exist in the astral and ethereal planes?? OBEers Have reported encounters with elves and faeries (and other similar creatures) during their out of body travels. So perhaps some of these astral creatures Are the same as DMT elves.

Regards
Grey

**SoulSail** · 30th May 2012, 07:34 PM

Grey, we've had the same nerve struck here. After reading up, I'm curious if the landscape and entities encountered by DMT users are the self-same places and entities AP folks encounter. Now, after doing some serious reading today I came across a few clinical study cases in which two users were administered the compound at the same time, at the same dose, and had both set their intent on meeting up "out there," which they reportedly pulled off as corroborated in isolated interviews afterward.

Makes you wonder.

I guess the most intriguing aspect of DMT, at least for me, is the idea that science may be arriving at the very place where the physical brain (pineal gland, possibly?) meets the rather mystical spiritual elements of mankind's makeup. This is serious news if even remotely true--though no clear connection between DMT and the pineal has been found. More, after plumbing this one in great deal, I'd have to say there is distinct overlap in experiences. For instance, one woman (get the documentary--very well done) reports visiting the place where souls prepare to take up physicality in earthly bodies. She stated how she immediately recognized having been there countless times herself through incarnations, and reported an intense sense of overwhelming love and connection to everything (all this and way more in under fifteen minutes).

Now, I want to be very careful and respect the forum's rules regarding this sort of topic, but without question, the effects of DMT don't just merit a close look, they demand it--the implications are, well, that's for anyone interested to look up on their own. While I do not advocate illegal use of substances, nor practice such myself, I'll be watching DMT's trajectory closely. I've got this hunch deep down that the human mind was hijacked at some point (whether by evolution or something more immediate, I have no idea), and as a result, sort of throttles/vibrates/perceives/experiences well below or away from the state necessary to bring about projections by merely deciding to do so--in short, we're locked up in boxes we may have never meant to be locked in (and I could be wrong, of course).

But if so, how many ways "out" of the box are there?

I'll continue taking the self-willed road "out", the one where I learn, develop, and control the projections rather than the other way around. I believe this is where the reward is and I detest the idea of being dependent on anything external, but secretly, I'm hoping one day we can all have equal, meaningful access to journey without so damn many weights hanging off of us. Just my thoughts.

Soul

**greytraveller** · 1st June 2012, 06:22 PM

Hallo SoulSail

You wrote

>>""Grey, we've had the same nerve struck here. After reading up, I'm curious if the landscape and entities encountered by DMT users are the self-same places and entities AP folks encounter. Now, after doing some serious reading today I came across a few clinical study cases in which two users were administered the compound at the same time, at the same dose, and had both set their intent on meeting up "out there," which they reportedly pulled off as corroborated in isolated interviews afterward. ""<<

I have been curious about psychedelic hyperspace for some time now. Like you
"I'm curious if the landscape and entities encountered by DMT users are the self-same places and entities AP folks encounter". In fact in some instance I believe that they Are!. Many psychedelic users report going out of body, both on DMT and on many other substances. (BTW go to erowid.org and see the Many OBE and AP accounts in their "Mind and Spirit" vault found there in the "Out of Body Experiences vault".
So probably some, but not all, psychedelic hyperspace meetings with entities Are actually meetings with astral beings while out of body.

Regards
Grey