Enjoying obe astral sex is this wrong ???

**CFTraveler** · 3rd February 2013, 01:34 AM

Both are equally safe, since they are both projections of your consciousness. You're safe either way. And technically, a lucid dream is a projection into your own psychological environment, given form by your subconscious, an OBE is the experience of leaving your body (but it's your conscious point of view that moves its location, you don't 'leave' your body, your projection expands 'out' of it) so it's just a matter of perception.
From a 'mechanical/theoretical' standpoint, here's how you tell the difference:
In a lucid dream you usually 'become awake' already in a dream. Everything seems vivid, and natural laws seem to apply, unless you decide to break them. And you do. For example, you can look at your hand, and feel solid. But if you realize you're dreaming, you can fly, for example.
In an OBE you have the experience of leaving your body, and usually 'land' in an energetic perception of your location (your room, house, etc.) you can turn it into an astral projection if you want, but you usually end up in the Real Time Zone.
Phasing is also called WILD (wake induced lucid dream). It differs from OBE in that you exit into a dream, dream in the sense of it not being your house, and may be internally generated. But of course, it can also be collective, which is why it is called 'phasing' by others to differentiate from the purely subjective character than a regular nonlucid dream has. In the first type of 'lucid dream', (or, regular lucid dream) you start out in a standard dream, which is internally generated, but once you become lucid you can move into a collective area.
They're all safe, you can't be physically harmed, even in a collective environment, except for mentally, fear is a powerful thing.

**Eyeswideopen** · 3rd February 2013, 02:41 PM

What a response I am still trying to work things out. Don't know what RTZ is and if it's all safe except for the fear then how come it's not safe to have a sexual experience. If I am projecting my conciousness within my own environment how do I differentiate from my own made up encounter to a entity that is intruding on me.

I am sorry if I am not getting the plot but one I have a fibro fog brain and to cant afford the books just yet like multidimensional human etc. but I am really appreciating your time.

**eyeoneblack** · 3rd February 2013, 03:34 PM

Reading this thread you would think this astral sex thing was a female issue. I understand the bias - afterall, I always wanted some hot chick to break in and rape me, but it just 'aint gonna happen. I apologize ladies. Rape is simply not much of a male experience; unless he is in prison. Boys are raped and it is no less damaging than the rape of a female whether in RL or astrally.

But listen; I am of a certain age when hormone levels begin to decline, especially testosterone, and that has bothered me. But then came the calvary in a very nice dream. Yes, just what I needed, and I discovered I could get a woody just like any 20-year-old. Thank you, thankyou, thankyou.

The good side of astral sex!!! Hurrahh!

[I hope I haven't violated the rather strict conditions of posting to this this thread (only just read the caveats). Ok?]

**CFTraveler** · 3rd February 2013, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Eyeswideopen

What a response I am still trying to work things out. Don't know what RTZ is

Real Time Zone- where you go when you first have an OBE. The physical for all intents and purposes. But as processed by your energy body.

and if it's all safe except for the fear then how come it's not safe to have a sexual experience.

We didn't say it's not safe to have a sexual experience, we said you could meet another projector (if in the RTZ) your own fears (if in the personal astral) and, less often, a succubus, which could be in the 'real world', regardless of whether you project or not. Even though the succubus would be less likely, I still told you how to tell. (the energy thing).
The thing is, that entities that are negative are completely unrelated to projection- most people that have negative entity issues don't project at all, and some others like me, learned to project on purpose to take care of issues they were having before.

If I am projecting my conciousness within my own environment how do I differentiate from my own made up encounter to a entity that is intruding on me.

By how you feel afterwards. Like I said before.

I am sorry if I am not getting the plot but one I have a fibro fog brain and to cant afford the books just yet like multidimensional human etc. but I am really appreciating your time.

That's perfectly fine- but you can read Robert's Treatise on Astral Projection, which is free.

**Eyeswideopen** · 3rd February 2013, 09:28 PM

Thank you so much CF and everyone else, sending lots of love your way x

**SoulSail** · 4th February 2013, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by eyeoneblack

[I hope I haven't violated the rather strict conditions of posting to this this thread (only just read the caveats). Ok?]

I hope not either given my history of inappropriate posts. I had a good laugh reading this.

My wife still gives me a hard time about my blue-alien-horse girlfriend. Should've never shared that astral sex story. Some things are better left to oneself, but hey, thanks for going out on a limb regarding your "cavalry." But really man, a whole cavalry? We should talk, ahem, not that I'm trying to steal your astralfems or anything.

Soul

**Eyeswideopen** · 13th March 2013, 07:58 PM

Thankfully I have managed to fight off the last few attempts, I don't bother asking to see them I just repel them. What makes you say it's people who are around me. Is there that many astral projectors around, ie my uncle or creeper neighbour, a minor.

I feel like emptying my stomach contents.

**Eyeswideopen** · 13th March 2013, 08:06 PM

If you were right how comes a 13 yr old say would have the ability to come and find me and seduce me whilst staying undetected. I had one sexual experience which was really loving but that's all. The rest have been pests. You have made me feel sick to my stomach. More determined to stay clear of sexual predators so I thank you for that. I was sexually abused as a child but my dad is dead now. If your going to say next that he is able to reach me please don't. I have enough demons to fight.

**CFTraveler** · 13th March 2013, 08:39 PM

Something that has not been discussed or clarified, and I feel I have to now, is that not all attacks are deliberate. For example, the thirteen year old with raging hormones goes to sleep, thinking of the hot neighbor (or schoolmate, teacher, or whatever) and may have an erotic dream about them or someone else. This is not an attack, it's a side effect of being thirteen. But if the 'target' person is sensitive, they may perceive this scenario with their astral senses, and interpret it as an attack. Another person may not have any perception of what is essentially a personal thought, and yet another person may experience this event as an 'astral date', or as a 'sex dream', and no attack was ever intended in this instance.
So it's not that anyone has any access at all, we all live in the astral, whether we're awake, asleep, or in trance.

**Eyeswideopen** · 14th March 2013, 10:43 AM

You pressed my buttons last night, I was angry at the thought that anyone particularly someone I knew could do this to me. My husband woke me twice in the night to me saying "get off me" so I had another battle. I do believe I know who this person was but I have since been able to fight them off. I listened to Soulsail saying that derailing is a wiser option. I do want to be doing more than just floating around aimlessly nor just in it to find enlightenment. I am hoping I am going to be useful and contribute perhaps learn to heal.

I have spent my life fighting, I will not stop now