Forced to Kill

**Gemma** · 20th June 2013, 08:35 PM

I mean, someone who is in agony due to an illness, who is not able to administer the drugs required to end their life by themselves. We do it for our pets if they're suffering an injury or an illness that reduces their quality of life because it's kinder to do that, so why not with humans who are in a similar position, if they explicitly requested it?

In my mind, to murder a person means to kill them against their will. E.g. a gunman goes on the rampage in a diner or a suicide bomber, etc.

That's the difference in my mind.

**CFTraveler** · 20th June 2013, 08:47 PM

Sorry, but for me to legalize euthanasia is to open a very dangerous door. Assisted suicide is one thing, killing someone else because they're suffering is another. I do agree that a person should be allowed to choose life or death, but euthanasia is giving someone that is not the patient the power to end their life, according to possibly subjective criteria, and this scares me.

**GMAN12** · 20th June 2013, 09:41 PM

I would like to contradict you at this moment CFT. If it is the will of the person, the person giving the euthanasia will not be the person who caused the death, but freed a spirit. Murder is different from Euthanasia in which like Gemma said is forced onto the person and done because of anger or the increase of ego, but I feel euthanasia is a type of service.

**CFTraveler** · 21st June 2013, 12:27 AM

But you realize that euthanasia and assisted suicide are not the same thing, right?

**Gemma** · 7th July 2013, 09:31 PM

It is in my book.

But, there are different contexts. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthanasia

So it can obviously mean different things to different people.

**heliac** · 8th July 2013, 01:44 AM

I don't know if anyone is ever really forced to kill. If you are in a position to do so there will be a choice at some point. I could see how killing when faced with a predator could be justified. Predators can't be reasoned with.

IA56 · 8th July 2013, 06:00 AM

Euthanasia to humans in my world is forbidden, I see this in this way, if a human suffers it is our duty to comfort and help, I see this as a test for us who see a person be ill or in pain or agony and wanting to get help to be killed, all our suffering is given us for a reason, and should be cleared out and help the person who suffers...both will learn something out of it....the sufferer the most, we grow only through pain, and the helpers have get a good time to practis both patience and mercy and love.

I understand that we do this to animals maybe because we do not have as much of knowledge how to mend them or help them so we see it as a mercyful act to kill them, I feel it is very sad.

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ia

**ButterflyWoman** · 8th July 2013, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by heliac

I don't know if anyone is ever really forced to kill. If you are in a position to do so there will be a choice at some point.

Agreed. You can allow yourself to be killed, or to simply not fight back and let what happens, happen. I'm not saying people SHOULD do that, but you are never forced to kill. You can refuse to participate.

However, and I know I'll get howls of disapproval at this, I don't see death as that horrible a thing. No, I don't approve of murder, because it has a ripple effect in society as a whole, and causes a great deal of pain and misery that the world could do without. But death comes to EVERYONE, sometimes before you're even born, sometimes after a long and horribly painful life that you would have rather not lived at all, and every variation in between. Death is just part of life, part of the cycle. The preoccupation with death seems somewhat ridiculous to me, and I believe it's rooted in most people's own fear of death (very few people have truly overcome that fear, and it drives an awful lot people, sometimes in strange directions).

IA56 · 8th July 2013, 08:32 AM

Originally Posted by ButterflyWoman

Agreed. You can allow yourself to be killed, or to simply not fight back and let what happens, happen. I'm not saying people SHOULD do that, but you are never forced to kill. You can refuse to participate.

However, and I know I'll get howls of disapproval at this, I don't see death as that horrible a thing. No, I don't approve of murder, because it has a ripple effect in society as a whole, and causes a great deal of pain and misery that the world could do without. But death comes to EVERYONE, sometimes before you're even born, sometimes after a long and horribly painful life that you would have rather not lived at all, and every variation in between. Death is just part of life, part of the cycle. The preoccupation with death seems somewhat ridiculous to me, and I believe it's rooted in most people's own fear of death (very few people have truly overcome that fear, and it drives an awful lot people, sometimes in strange directions).

Nodding...I totally agree.

Love
ia

**Frater.Akenu** · 8th July 2013, 08:54 AM

If you are attacked and you are alone, just run away, if you can, worse scenario is when someone close to you is with you and you are uncertain whether he/she could run away, in that case use whatever force you see fit to stop the attack.