At the moment I try to gather information about the descending Kundalini.
Does anyone knows anything about this?
If you are interested I will try to give a summary about what I found out later...
At the moment I try to gather information about the descending Kundalini.
Does anyone knows anything about this?
If you are interested I will try to give a summary about what I found out later...
Yeh, I'd really like to know. Last night I woke up with pressure going down from my crown. It felt just like rising Kundalini, only from the other direction.Weird that you would post this right now.
Here you go: http://forums.astraldynamics.com/viewtopic.php?t=337
This is the system used and described in the Yoga of Sri Aurobindo -the famous indian master of pondicherry,India. He says the Kundalini force/energy is not only below us in an unconscious state waiting to be awakened, but it's also above us in a conscious state.lt's also called the Shakti in yoga.His whole yoga is based on the Descent of this Spiritual Force/Kundalini, which he also says is much safer than bringing the Force from below.The upward ascent also happens but after the descending Force has opened the way through the chakras etc and created a pure/stable foundation, while it makes us ready by changing our consciousness..I suggest you read his 'LETTERS ON YOGA' which explain in detail every aspect of this method.l've been experiencing it personally for many years and l know it exists.Other things also also descend in this way too - like Peace,Bliss/Ananda, Light, truth etc. l have experienced most of these myself.
Painterhypnogirl
Yeah it does happen like this.lt can begin like pressure and then breaks through any blockages to prepare the way for greater descents.
I should mention that sexual activity will hinder and prevent the Force from remaing within the body though and it won't stay with you.
Thank you, Sorlac, and thanks to Aunt Clair, too.
Patty, I am currently working myself through the links Aunt Clair provided. I think the "Witness" technique will help you when Kundalini ascends and descends. As I know now, I have experienced the descending Kundalini both from the perspecive of the personality and from the perspective of the Impersonal Witness and they are very different experiences indeed. I am not sure, yet, but it seems to me that the purification of the personality (usually teached for ascending kundalini) is not necessary at all, once you can by-pass the energy through the Witness. To put it differently, when you can store /hide the personality from the Serpent, kundalini ascend and descend will find no resistance and there are no painfull sideeffects that origin in kundalini "blowing the pipe clean".
The technique is described here; it is one of the links Aunt Clair provided
http://www.kundalini-teacher.com/chakras/witness.html
I just wished I knew what happens energetically when kundalini is by-passed through the Witness as the effect and experiences are so different.
Oh wow, thanks for asking this! Several weeks ago this was happening to me and I almost posted here, and then told myself, "Don't be silly, of course there's no such thing as kundalini coming DOWN instead of up ..."
But why does it go down through the crown instead of up like you normally hear about?
Yes, I just made the same mistake myself, thinking that kundalini just ascends and never descends. I do not remember experiencing the usual kundalini "spikes", etc, though I had mystic experiences that *might* have been related to an ascending kundalini - I am not sure. Cause of this I had lost a bit of interest in kundalini (no own experiences, as I thought) and thought that experiences of mine that were related to an descending energy *could* not be kundalini. But finally I found someone from the Advaita Vedanta (in the line of Swami Anandakapila Saraswati), giving as good a definition of this particular energy I experienced several times to her as I could.
Due to my own experiences I summarised it as:
"What is the name of a powerfull energy with the quality of love that moves downwards to the physical and is descructive to the ego but does not affect the Witness? "
I had asked several other people, who were into energy, before, but they all had told me that "love" was not destructive. Anyway, as it turned out in Vedanta this destructive love-energy is indeed descending kundalini shakti.
Her answer was that in Vedanta the ascending kundalini process is called: Aroha-pantha or jnana marg. That ascending process is dependent upon the mind and the senses.
The decending process of kundalini-shakti, Avaroha-pantha, is the process by which Absolute Truth is Known and it is not dependent on the mind or the senses.
Avaroha-pantha/descending process is usually associated with Shaktipat from a Self Realized Being. But in general Avaroha-pantha is the descending process which floods one with Transcendental Knowledge/Absolute Truth. The Knowledge that is gained by the ascending process ie. Aroha-pantha, and because it is perceived with the mind and senses is filled with all kinds of 'defects' and 'imperfections' (Ajnana/ignorance). But the descending process 'brings in' 'Perfect Knowledge,' transcendent of the mind and senses.
As a metaphor: the Ascending Kundalini Shakti (Aroha) blows out the pipes so that the Decending Kundalini Shakti (Avaroha) can fill them with Transcendental Knowledge/Jnana.
When the Kundalini Shakti completes it's ascent, Nataraj Dances in the Crown Chakra (Sahasrara) but the process is not complete until Kundalini Shakti makes It's decent into The Heart. Some believe the process is complete when Kundalini Shakti makes Her full ascent and Nataraj Dances in the Sahasrara. But, in Vedanta, Kundalini Shakti makes her descend and reside In the Heart.
Having just read what RB wrote about the subject: he called the descending knowledge "abstract", I find this a striking similarity to Vedanta. Descending knowledge Avaroha -pantha is not known with the mind and the senses, thus mind and senses do not know what do do with it. Avaroha-pantha does not come in concepts or symbols or patterns of the mind but I suspect that the mind can find concepts and symbols *similar* (thought not identical) to it so that it can be - to a certain degree - talked about and understood from the mind's perspective. Personally, I believe (and hope) that the more Aroha-pantha is downloaded the better the mind is able to translate this "abstract" knowledge into terms of the conceptual mind.
It seems this process of ascension and descending is known in religions all over the world:
"The Ascending and Descending Energy is depicted in every tradition. Yoga and Vedanta are are but two of them. It is revealed in the Tantric Yoga imagery as the Lingam (ascending) and Yona (descending) energies (there are many others there too). It is depicted in the Hexagram/Star of David which is also used as a symbol of occultism. The Hexagram is formed by two overlapping, equilateral triangles. One pointing up to represent the ascending energy and the other pointing down to represent the descending energy. It is also represented in the Blade and the Challis.The descending energy is also represented in the descent of the Holy Spirit, seen as a dove which descended on Christ at His baptism and also the descent of the Holy Spirit at Pentecost. It is seen in the Central and Governing meridian in Taoism (to mention one in that system) And last but not least it is depicted in the Sri Yantra, which is known as The Yantra of Creation and The Mother of All Yantra's, with It's five descending and It's four ascending triangles."
So well, so much for now (in addition to Aunt Clair's information). I get the feeling that slowly a consitent picture is forming (for me) ...
Freawaru,
Let me see if I understand you, since you used some terms I'm not familiar with. You're saying that the descending kundalini is more abstract and is not perceived with the mind or ego. So ... it would make sense that this happened to me because for the past year, I've been actively working with non-dualist concepts and authors like Eckhart Tolle who advocate transcending ego. It has been my major focus in life and in meditations.
But if ascending kundalini has not occurred (not that I know of!), what does that mean? You say ascending kundalini is meant to "Clear the Pipes" for the descending. Does that mean my pipes are already clear, so to speak, so there was no need for the ascending? I like to think that I'm making progress, but that seems a bit much to say of myself
Whenever people talk about their kundalini experiences, they report feeling vastly different and changed. All sorts of strange abilities, knowledge, perspectives, etc. I feel basically the same, though, with a few exceptions. It was a wonderful experience, but nothing dramatic that nearly killed me, etc. That's another reason I didn't associate it with kundalini.
Yes, I think this kind of mysticsm is deeply related to descending knowledge. It seems to me that there are basically two kinds of mysticsm, one is related to trance. It is *percieved* in trance states thus the knowledge is translated into terms your subconcsious mind understands. Mystics who experience this usually have not much trouble telling about their experiences as their mind has already transformed the divine knowledge into symbols. I think this is related to ascension. The other kind of mystics (like Eckhart Tolle) usually speak in more abstract terms, like non-dualistic (advaita) concepts. These are difficult to translate and easily misunderstood. One of my favorite examples is the mystic concept of "virgin" that is for "descending mystics" a state of soul they experience in contemplation and is - for these mystics like Sant John of the Cross - also how it is used in the Bible.Originally Posted by Dsmoke
Ascending mysticsm is ego-based. The sense of self is expanded and develloped and purified but the ego is kept and perception is based on the mind and senses. I don't mean this disgrading or negative. For me the term "ego" means that expecting sense of self that we usually call "me" in contrast to "others" while being awake.
Descending mysticsm is not ego-based. This means one has problems afterwards to discern between oneself and the experience. The experience, the experiencer and the process of experiencing are not separate from each other. There is usually also no sense of "I" or "mine" in these experiences. They are direct. When you experience the divine in descending mysticsm it won't end with "you experiencing God" but "you are God" in you memory, due to the non-duality.
That we have a riddle to solveBut if ascending kundalini has not occurred (not that I know of!), what does that mean?
Seriously, I don't know, yet. I, too, have no memory of the ascension. But I have descending memories, usually ending in the "Impersonal Witness" observing the human person Freawaru and then merging with Freawaru. But not from the physical outside like in OBE but from the inside, like lucidly waking up.
From a point of logic I must have ascended from Freawaru to be able to descend again, right? But I have no memory of this.
I am currently investigating a theory of mine, namely that there are two kinds of channels. One is related to the personality (and this would have the need to be purified for ascension) and the other is the Impersonal WItness. This would agree with my own experiences. If one uses the Impersonal Witness channel for ascension and descending no resistance would be met by Kundalini as the Witness is pure by definition. The Impersonal Witness is also known as "Singular Eye" or "Witness of God" for example and as far as I can tell from my own experiencs it goes right down to the lowest and deepest and physical. It is how the divine looks at creation.You say ascending kundalini is meant to "Clear the Pipes" for the descending. Does that mean my pipes are already clear, so to speak, so there was no need for the ascending? I like to think that I'm making progress, but that seems a bit much to say of myself
From an energetical point of view I do not know what is going on, though. I do not know if the WItness can be seen clairvoiantly for example. Cause it is just a switch of perspective and does not affect what is going on. It is like you are suddenly aware that you are actually the reader of a book and just merged with one of the characters most of the time. The story in the book, the character, everything is as before, just *your* perspective has changed. So, as I said I do not know.
A possible "candidate" for the Witness channel would of course be the Sushumna. "It is one of fourteen currents within the spine which govern the instinctive, intellectual, conscious, subconscious, sub of the subconscious, subsuperconscious and superconscious areas of the mind. The ida and the pingala are two of these fourteen, so this leaves eleven more within the spine."
http://www.himalayanacademy.com/resourc ... ch-38.html
This is why I do not believe at the moment that the sushumna is the Witness channel. It is described as "governing", the Witness however does not govern (in fact I would call the ego the "governor"). The Witness only observes. Ascending techniques try to balance the ida and pingala and then transfer energy into the Sushumna that is still ego. So there has to be still another channel.
Yes, me, too. Freawaru was not affected in most of my mystic experiences. When I "re-merged" with Freawaru I just had some more abstract memories and lot's of questions.Whenever people talk about their kundalini experiences, they report feeling vastly different and changed. All sorts of strange abilities, knowledge, perspectives, etc. I feel basically the same, though, with a few exceptions. It was a wonderful experience, but nothing dramatic that nearly killed me, etc. That's another reason I didn't associate it with kundalini.
But I am also sure that that love-energy went through the Witness, unhindered.
It is a mystery,
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