This is how a Christian can practice magic

[agapelove]

First, I want everyone to know that this is just a very rough draft and will be frequently updated (as long as you're willing to accept me in your community--much of what I say may go against the grain of this forum.) I don't want to start any drama. If you would prefer me to stop posting, just let me know.

About 6 months or a year ago, I posted a few threads here. After much investigation, study, and thought, this is the tentative conclusion that I have come to.

I have now come to use what I call the Corinthians Meat Defense.

In one chapter, Paul's all like, "Yeah man, eat the meat (sacrificed to idols). It's cool."

Then a few chapters later he's like, "Whoa there buddy, (to quote the Beatles) You can't do that."

The meat isn't the issue. It's all about which Elohim (dis-incarnate spirit) you pledge loyalty to. In the first instance, the meat is in the market (post-sacrifice). In the second instance, since, “an idol has no real existence” it would seem that members of the Corinthian church went ahead and participated in the sacrifice, believing that since idols aren't real, it was OK. That's why later, Paul reminds them that even though idols are nothing, the entities behind them are in fact real.

My main problem with Occult/New Age/etc. philosophy is the insistence that Monism must include YHVH-Elohim. This is my conception of monism:
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YHVH | The ALL
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To borrow from Hawking, this is my brief history of everything:

--God (YHVH) exists
--He creates the heavenly host and the universe as we know it. The 2nd heaven of the ancients would seem to correspond with the astral planes and the 3rd heaven with the mental planes.
--The plural language in Genesis refers to God speaking to his Divine Council saying, "Hey, I've got an idea: Let's create man in our image!"
--The Hebrew verbs that follow indicate a sole Creator--not a group effort.
--God gives man dominion over the earth
--This pisses off the Cosmic Beings because they are ontologically superior to us.
--A fallen Divine being, the Nachash (see works by Michael Heiser) decides to remedy the problem
--He figures that if he can get people to sin, God will either destroy them, or at least kick them out of the Divine council.
--Then the flood happens because of the transgression of the Heavenly/Earthly separation (Divine Beings mating with human women)
--After the flood, instead of doing what God said, they said @#%$ it.
--They built the tower of Babel and God's like, well, "I thought the flood would take care of this, but, if you don't want me to be your God, I'm going to put you under the authority of lesser Elohim.
--This is where the ancient pantheons came from
--Here's the quote from Deut. in the ESV translation: "When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God."

The rest of the Old Testament is about Israel vs the Nations and YHVH vs the gods of those nations.

New Testament theology fairly clearly says that those loyal to YHVH and His physical incarnation (Jesus of Nazareth) will displace the current spiritual hierarchy in place today.

So, how can a Christian practice magic? As you will see in the bibliography of Jewish Magical Practices, it's not so much the methods used to make contact--it's whose on the other end.

In the old days, you had to pledge allegiance to a Mystery School and their Deity(s).

Now, just as Alchemy is divorced from Chemistry, thanks to Bardon, the Christian can maintain loyalty to the Creator, without pledging allegiance to any one else.

TO Summarize

--Gods original intention was to have a human and divine family--heaven and earth united (Eden)
--That got messed up
--Ever since then He has been slowly working to bring His original intention to pass
--The current spiritual hierarchy will be displaced by those loyal to the Creator God.

In one sentence: magic is fine, as long as the Christian doesn't work with spirits disloyal to God and "tests the spirits" to see if they are loyal to the Creator God or to the lesser gods and spirit beings. Also, the New Testament is FULL of adoption language. The Christian is adopted into YHVH's family--never becomes one with Him. They partake in the inheritance and are co-rulers. The key for the Christian is to remember that God is God and you are you and this will never change. You will be part of his family, but when you merge with The ALL, you are merging with the universe, not God Himself.

http://www.michaelsheiser.com/TheNak...bliography.pdf

Mods: if I can't post links, please repost this for me. It's an academic 131 page bibliography of Jewish magical practices from thousands of years ago until now. [Mod Note: Checked the contents of the link, and it's entirely legit and not a problem. Approved, even though member has fewer than the usual required number of posts, under the "with moderator approval" clause.]

[CFTraveler]

Interesting exegesis.

[eyeoneblack]

Good research, agapelove. Keep it up . Are you including study of Kabbalah? You might find there that Yahweh is distinct from the Creator God, sometimes referred to as the demi-urge.

Keep up the good work!

Richard

[javalinar]

Good research, agapelove. Keep it up . Are you including study of Kabbalah? You might find there that Yahweh is distinct from the Creator God, sometimes referred to as the demi-urge.

Is Creator God 'Source' as often referred here? Or is "Source' yet another entity?

[eyeoneblack]

The Creator God precipitates from the Source. Is not in himself created but still a part of the Trinity - essentially the Holy Ghost. His Being is produced from the dark and sterile Mother. As the Creator of Matter he is often considered in less than a Holy and pure Light.

Now that you totally understand, I'm sure there'll be no more questions .

[agapelove]

Creation: Genesis, Psalms, and Babylonian myth?

The most familiar Biblical creation account is obviously in Genesis. However, it would seem that Genesis wasn't the beginning. Genesis picks up where Psalm 74 leaves off:

¹² Yet God my King is from of old,
working salvation in the midst of the earth.
¹³ You divided the sea by your might;
you broke the heads of the sea monsters^[d] on the waters.
¹⁴ You crushed the heads of Leviathan;
you gave him as food for the creatures of the wilderness.
¹⁵ You split open springs and brooks;
you dried up ever-flowing streams.
¹⁶ Yours is the day, yours also the night;
you have established the heavenly lights and the sun.
¹⁷ You have fixed all the boundaries of the earth;
you have made summer and winter.



Where we normally pick up in Genesis, is after the battle being described above.

² The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.

This is after God defeated Leviathan.

All ANE creation accounts have nothing to do with science as we know it.

Most ANE creation accounts are really about bringing order from Chaos and subduing it. Did Yahweh, Marduk, etc. literally fight a sea beast? My answer is no. The Psalmist wants to make a point using Ugaritic literature. It wasn't Baal, Marduk, etc. who subdued Chaos and made the Earth the way that it is today--it was Yahweh.

[agapelove]

For anyone reading this, this is how I think of the Bible, specifically in the areas of inspiration and inerrancy-- (this is a copy and pasted from another author (not me):

I affirm that the Bible is God-given revelation produced through the agency of human authors. The usual process of producing the Scriptures was one where human authors wrote on the basis of their own abilities, education, styles, worldview, backgrounds, and idiosyncrasies apart from a point-in-time divine encounter where the words of Scripture were chosen for the authors. Although there are instances in the biblical record where God is said to have dictated what would become part of the biblical text (e.g., Rev 2-3, the messages to the seven churches), such instances are rare.

The process of inspiration does not require us to contend that God verbally dictated the words of the Bible to the authors, though God did so on rare occasions, at times directly or through a divine agent. The process also does not require us to embrace the idea that God impressed each word on the mind of the author through some silent, mental process, as though the author’s mind was overtaken by God. Having providentially prepared each writer, I believe God presented the biblical writers with truth through a range of means, including (but not limited to) dramatic displays of divine power, time spent listening to the incarnate Christ, formal education, the reading of Scripture already extant, insight given by the Spirit, religious training, and sensitivity to the working of God in their own lives through spiritual devotion. All of these forces and more molded the lives and minds of the authors of the Bible under an over-arching divine providence, preparing them to write that which God would move the believing community to embrace as canonical.

While God providentially prepared the writers of the Bible to produce His truth and providentially oversaw the results of their work, this process of inspiration of necessity involved divine accommodation.� God was perfectly capable and content to use human language to convey truth to humanity. Divine accommodation in the context of the process of inspiration should not be understood as though the biblical writers chose to communicate with their audience in such a way as to accommodate less learned people. I reject the notion that one human (the author) received words from God and then had to dumb down those words for other people (their audience). This is not divine accommodation, but human accommodation, and is a caricature of what divine accommodation really is: the decision of God to be willing to allow his weak, limited human creatures to write about who He is and what He has done.
In view of the above, I affirm that God used human language to the degree he deemed sufficient, so as to accomplish the creation of the canonical books. �Humans do not express anything about God perfectly or completely, nor could God reveal anything about Himself in an exhaustive and comprehensive way, as human minds would be unable to comprehend this fullness. Since humans cannot receive all God is, all God thinks, and all God does, what they produce in writing, even under the providence of God, will be articulated in ways that show their limited capacities and finite understanding of God, His ways, and His world. These shortfalls should not be construed as errors, since to do so would be to charge the human author with possessing the limitations of humanity, as though the writer could have circumvented those limitations. That the human writers of antiquity chosen by God were writing under the constraints of an imperfect understanding of science is to affirm the obvious. To contend that this means the point of the inspiration process was meant to factualize ancient scientific notions as points of dogma is to extrapolate from that obvious point to an unnecessary conclusion.� I affirm that the standard for God’s acceptance of the process of inspiration was not the production of material that neither the ancient writer nor his initial audience could have comprehended. Rather, God used humans as they were, with all their limitations, much in the same way He left the task of evangelism and administration of His Body, the Church, to weak human beings. Nevertheless, in grace God chose to use human agents to produce revelation about Himself for human posterity. God was willing and able to use human writers, who utilized a range of normal communicative literary techniques, and who wrote according to deliberate theological agendas, to adequately and accurately (but imperfectly) describe Himself, His plan, His purposes, His acts in history, and His creative acts. God was likewise willing and able to preserve the writers from making erroneous statements about Himself, His plan, His purposes, and His acts in history and His creative acts.

I affirm, therefore, that while the providentially-prepared human authors were the immediate source of most of the words of Scripture, God is still the ultimate source of the words of each canonical book. His work of providence was sufficient at every point of the way to ensure that the words that he intended to be in Scripture, and no others, are in fact therein. The Bible derives its authority from this providentially-guided process.� The Bible’s authority in turn is higher than that of any church, local or corporate, and any tradition about the Bible and its contents, since that tradition did not derive from the same inspiration process as the Bible itself.
I affirm that the process of inspiration included not only the initial composition of a biblical book but also any subsequent editorial work done on the text of that book prior to the recognition of a completed sacred canon. Evidence in hand leads to the conclusion that the process of producing the Scripture text was subject to editorial activity in terms of additions, deletions, rearrangement, and repurposing. I believe that God oversaw any such process by means of providential influence in the decisions made by authors and editors so that the words of each canonical book met with God’s approval. Any writer or editorial hand whose work of composition or editing preceded the final form of a given canonical book and whose work finds expression in the final canonical text was a participant in the process of inspiration.
With respect to learning from the incarnate Christ, and with respect to the process of inspiration, the gospel writers were not required to reproduce the exact “real time” words that Jesus spoke, nor did they, as we know from the synoptic gospels. Rather, they learned truth and transmitted it in writing as their life context dictated under providence, at times capturing the ideas they heard very closely, perhaps even verbatim, on other occasions applying it in different vocabulary as the need arose. I believe the written result (in its final form) was entirely faithful and accurate with respect to the content of Jesus’ teaching.
As with hearing the words of Jesus, the writers of Scripture were likewise not required to memorize all the Scripture they heard and learned when writing their own works that would be recognized as canonical. Rather, they were free to apply preceding Scripture and quote it as needed to teach sound doctrine or make a theological point. The gap between many quotations of Scripture and the source manuscripts from which those quotations came shows us that the writers did not need to reproduce every word they found in the texts they quote, or in the exact order they found them in. At times their own context for writing or quoting a text required that the earlier Scripture text of the Old Testament be repurposed in a different literary form or adapted to reinforce a specific exegetical or theological point found elsewhere in the canonical text.

[IA56]

For anyone reading this, this is how I think of the Bible, specifically in the areas of inspiration and inerrancy-- (this is a copy and pasted from another author (not me):

I affirm that the Bible is God-given revelation produced through the agency of human authors. The usual process of producing the Scriptures was one where human authors wrote on the basis of their own abilities, education, styles, worldview, backgrounds, and idiosyncrasies apart from a point-in-time divine encounter where the words of Scripture were chosen for the authors. Although there are instances in the biblical record where God is said to have dictated what would become part of the biblical text (e.g., Rev 2-3, the messages to the seven churches), such instances are rare.

The process of inspiration does not require us to contend that God verbally dictated the words of the Bible to the authors, though God did so on rare occasions, at times directly or through a divine agent. The process also does not require us to embrace the idea that God impressed each word on the mind of the author through some silent, mental process, as though the author’s mind was overtaken by God. Having providentially prepared each writer, I believe God presented the biblical writers with truth through a range of means, including (but not limited to) dramatic displays of divine power, time spent listening to the incarnate Christ, formal education, the reading of Scripture already extant, insight given by the Spirit, religious training, and sensitivity to the working of God in their own lives through spiritual devotion. All of these forces and more molded the lives and minds of the authors of the Bible under an over-arching divine providence, preparing them to write that which God would move the believing community to embrace as canonical.

While God providentially prepared the writers of the Bible to produce His truth and providentially oversaw the results of their work, this process of inspiration of necessity involved divine accommodation.� God was perfectly capable and content to use human language to convey truth to humanity. Divine accommodation in the context of the process of inspiration should not be understood as though the biblical writers chose to communicate with their audience in such a way as to accommodate less learned people. I reject the notion that one human (the author) received words from God and then had to dumb down those words for other people (their audience). This is not divine accommodation, but human accommodation, and is a caricature of what divine accommodation really is: the decision of God to be willing to allow his weak, limited human creatures to write about who He is and what He has done.
In view of the above, I affirm that God used human language to the degree he deemed sufficient, so as to accomplish the creation of the canonical books. �Humans do not express anything about God perfectly or completely, nor could God reveal anything about Himself in an exhaustive and comprehensive way, as human minds would be unable to comprehend this fullness. Since humans cannot receive all God is, all God thinks, and all God does, what they produce in writing, even under the providence of God, will be articulated in ways that show their limited capacities and finite understanding of God, His ways, and His world. These shortfalls should not be construed as errors, since to do so would be to charge the human author with possessing the limitations of humanity, as though the writer could have circumvented those limitations. That the human writers of antiquity chosen by God were writing under the constraints of an imperfect understanding of science is to affirm the obvious. To contend that this means the point of the inspiration process was meant to factualize ancient scientific notions as points of dogma is to extrapolate from that obvious point to an unnecessary conclusion.� I affirm that the standard for God’s acceptance of the process of inspiration was not the production of material that neither the ancient writer nor his initial audience could have comprehended. Rather, God used humans as they were, with all their limitations, much in the same way He left the task of evangelism and administration of His Body, the Church, to weak human beings. Nevertheless, in grace God chose to use human agents to produce revelation about Himself for human posterity. God was willing and able to use human writers, who utilized a range of normal communicative literary techniques, and who wrote according to deliberate theological agendas, to adequately and accurately (but imperfectly) describe Himself, His plan, His purposes, His acts in history, and His creative acts. God was likewise willing and able to preserve the writers from making erroneous statements about Himself, His plan, His purposes, and His acts in history and His creative acts.

I affirm, therefore, that while the providentially-prepared human authors were the immediate source of most of the words of Scripture, God is still the ultimate source of the words of each canonical book. His work of providence was sufficient at every point of the way to ensure that the words that he intended to be in Scripture, and no others, are in fact therein. The Bible derives its authority from this providentially-guided process.� The Bible’s authority in turn is higher than that of any church, local or corporate, and any tradition about the Bible and its contents, since that tradition did not derive from the same inspiration process as the Bible itself.
I affirm that the process of inspiration included not only the initial composition of a biblical book but also any subsequent editorial work done on the text of that book prior to the recognition of a completed sacred canon. Evidence in hand leads to the conclusion that the process of producing the Scripture text was subject to editorial activity in terms of additions, deletions, rearrangement, and repurposing. I believe that God oversaw any such process by means of providential influence in the decisions made by authors and editors so that the words of each canonical book met with God’s approval. Any writer or editorial hand whose work of composition or editing preceded the final form of a given canonical book and whose work finds expression in the final canonical text was a participant in the process of inspiration.
With respect to learning from the incarnate Christ, and with respect to the process of inspiration, the gospel writers were not required to reproduce the exact “real time” words that Jesus spoke, nor did they, as we know from the synoptic gospels. Rather, they learned truth and transmitted it in writing as their life context dictated under providence, at times capturing the ideas they heard very closely, perhaps even verbatim, on other occasions applying it in different vocabulary as the need arose. I believe the written result (in its final form) was entirely faithful and accurate with respect to the content of Jesus’ teaching.
As with hearing the words of Jesus, the writers of Scripture were likewise not required to memorize all the Scripture they heard and learned when writing their own works that would be recognized as canonical. Rather, they were free to apply preceding Scripture and quote it as needed to teach sound doctrine or make a theological point. The gap between many quotations of Scripture and the source manuscripts from which those quotations came shows us that the writers did not need to reproduce every word they found in the texts they quote, or in the exact order they found them in. At times their own context for writing or quoting a text required that the earlier Scripture text of the Old Testament be repurposed in a different literary form or adapted to reinforce a specific exegetical or theological point found elsewhere in the canonical text.

Yes, I can very much agree with this writer, I have own experience to have met JHWH on what I call dividerline, the line between duality and infinity the Oneness...I wouldn´t have understood the difference if not I got to expereinced it through JHWH, it like echoed through him so I could understand the difference....Everything happens in duality and here are all the Changes made and has to be made Before you can enter to Oneness....and all re-incarnation happens in duality over and over again until you are ready to enter to Oneness, pure and willing to be part of the Oneness without ego and what we call here ...personallity...or individuality....In Oneness we are part of the ONE and not fractioned as here in duality.

Love
ia

[agapelove]

Deut. 32, Psalm 82, the New Testament, and where and why Christian theology and philosophy differs from Occult and New Age theology and philosophy. For any Christian who wishes to practice magic, these are some of the ideas that need to be thought about and addressed.

First, let's recap what's been said already:

This is how I would define a Christian:

1.) You believe that the God of Israel is the only uncreated, ontologically unique and superior being.
2.) You believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the only physical incarnation of the God of Israel.
3.) You believe that there is something separating us from God and that in some way this was repaired, or at least began to be repaired, at the resurrection.
4.) You believe that Christ is the only way of "salvation" (it's in quotes because who really knows what that means? We'll discuss it later.)
5.) You believe in the literal death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Deut 32:8 says ( 2 different translations, one from Formal Equivalence, the other from Dynamic Equivalence),

"When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders^[a] of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.^[b]"

"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
when he divided up humankind,
he set the boundaries of the peoples,
according to the number of the heavenly assembly."

Deut 32 is saying that after the tower of Babel incident, YHVH gave dominion over the Earth to lesser gods. This is the ancient Jewish explanation for where the pantheons came from. Then, He started over, from scratch, with Abraham, He set aside Israel as His particular portion to be His inheritance.

Israel was supposed to:

1.) Remain completely separate from the other nations. Why? Because they (Israel) were Yahweh's own portion.
2.) Remain completely separate from the gods of these other nations. Why? Because the other people belonged to these gods and Israel belonged to Yahweh.
3.) Follow the Law given to Moses. Basically, live the way your God wants you to.

The plan, if they had actually done these things, was to bring the rest of the world back to Yahweh through the conduit of Israel. Jerusalem was supposed to be Yahweh's dwelling place on Earth, the nations would repent, and everything would be hunky dory.

As we all know, Israel sucked at this and failed. However, it turns out that mortals aren't the only ones who didn't do their jobs well. Here's Psalm 82:

"God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
² “How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
³ Give justice to the weak and the fatherless;
maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
⁴ Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
⁵ They have neither knowledge nor understanding,
they walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
⁶ I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
⁷ nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”^[a]
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!"

This basically says that the gods who were given dominion over the Earth after Babel weren't very good stewards. In fact, they receive a judgment, and a pretty harsh one at that: Death! They are sentenced to lose their immortality.

So, in the OT here's the hierarchy:

1.) Invisible Yahweh
2.) Visible Yahweh (Angel of the Lord, the Name, a man, Wisdom, etc.)
3.) Sons of God (The beings of this rank are the ones that received control of the nations after Babel and are also the ones responsible for Genesis 6 (the flood).
4.) Angels (aka “messengers”)

Keep this in mind:

⁶ I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
⁷ nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”^[a]
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!"

This where the New Testament comes in. The NT says that Christians will replace and judge these gods or cosmic beings. I cannot stress this enough: the Cosmic Beings who are currently running things are going to die, losing their immortality, and then be replaced by us.

This is why Paul, in Corinthians, says, “Do you not know that we are to judge angels?”

Remember the Old Testament hierarchy:

1. Invisible Yahweh
2. Visible Yahweh (Angel of the Lord, the Name, a man, Wisdom, etc.)
3. Sons of God (The beings of this rank are the ones that received control of the nations after Babel and are also the ones responsible for Genesis 6 (the flood).
4. Angels (aka “messengers”)

New Testament theology states that we get promoted to #3. That is why in the NT these beings are never talked about positively, only negatively (the only possibility would be the “glorious ones” of Jude and Peter). We’re taking their jobs and they’re basically getting thrown out—in fact, they receive a death sentence. No wonder they’re pissed.

Now let’s get to comparing and contrasting (just a few to start):

Judeo-Christian:
Dualism: God is separate from everything else (creation).

Occult and New Age:
Monism: God is not separate, everything is a part of God, (The ALL).

Judeo-Christian:
God has a family and He wants us in it. He wants us as sons and daughters.

Occult and New Age:
People and other beings aren’t part of God’s family, they are a part of Him.

Judeo-Christian:
People are transformed and become part of the Divine realm through the work of Christ.

Occult and New Age:
People are transformed and become part of the Divine realm through slow evolution and spiritual exercises.

Goodbye for now!

[IA56]

Deut. 32, Psalm 82, the New Testament, and where and why Christian theology and philosophy differs from Occult and New Age theology and philosophy. For any Christian who wishes to practice magic, these are some of the ideas that need to be thought about and addressed.

First, let's recap what's been said already:

This is how I would define a Christian:

1.) You believe that the God of Israel is the only uncreated, ontologically unique and superior being.
2.) You believe that Jesus of Nazareth was and is the only physical incarnation of the God of Israel.
3.) You believe that there is something separating us from God and that in some way this was repaired, or at least began to be repaired, at the resurrection.
4.) You believe that Christ is the only way of "salvation" (it's in quotes because who really knows what that means? We'll discuss it later.)
5.) You believe in the literal death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Deut 32:8 says ( 2 different translations, one from Formal Equivalence, the other from Dynamic Equivalence),

"When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance,
when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders^[a] of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.^[b]"

"When the Most High gave the nations their inheritance,
when he divided up humankind,
he set the boundaries of the peoples,
according to the number of the heavenly assembly."

Deut 32 is saying that after the tower of Babel incident, YHVH gave dominion over the Earth to lesser gods. This is the ancient Jewish explanation for where the pantheons came from. Then, He started over, from scratch, with Abraham, He set aside Israel as His particular portion to be His inheritance.

Israel was supposed to:

1.) Remain completely separate from the other nations. Why? Because they (Israel) were Yahweh's own portion.
2.) Remain completely separate from the gods of these other nations. Why? Because the other people belonged to these gods and Israel belonged to Yahweh.
3.) Follow the Law given to Moses. Basically, live the way your God wants you to.

The plan, if they had actually done these things, was to bring the rest of the world back to Yahweh through the conduit of Israel. Jerusalem was supposed to be Yahweh's dwelling place on Earth, the nations would repent, and everything would be hunky dory.

As we all know, Israel sucked at this and failed. However, it turns out that mortals aren't the only ones who didn't do their jobs well. Here's Psalm 82:

"God has taken his place in the divine council;
in the midst of the gods he holds judgment:
² “How long will you judge unjustly
and show partiality to the wicked? Selah
³ Give justice to the weak and the fatherless;
maintain the right of the afflicted and the destitute.
⁴ Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.”
⁵ They have neither knowledge nor understanding,
they walk about in darkness;
all the foundations of the earth are shaken.
⁶ I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
⁷ nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”^[a]
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!"

This basically says that the gods who were given dominion over the Earth after Babel weren't very good stewards. In fact, they receive a judgment, and a pretty harsh one at that: Death! They are sentenced to lose their immortality.

So, in the OT here's the hierarchy:

1.) Invisible Yahweh
2.) Visible Yahweh (Angel of the Lord, the Name, a man, Wisdom, etc.)
3.) Sons of God (The beings of this rank are the ones that received control of the nations after Babel and are also the ones responsible for Genesis 6 (the flood).
4.) Angels (aka “messengers”)

Keep this in mind:

⁶ I said, “You are gods,
sons of the Most High, all of you;
⁷ nevertheless, like men you shall die,
and fall like any prince.”^[a]
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth;
for you shall inherit all the nations!"

This where the New Testament comes in. The NT says that Christians will replace and judge these gods or cosmic beings. I cannot stress this enough: the Cosmic Beings who are currently running things are going to die, losing their immortality, and then be replaced by us.

This is why Paul, in Corinthians, says, “Do you not know that we are to judge angels?”

Remember the Old Testament hierarchy:

1. Invisible Yahweh
2. Visible Yahweh (Angel of the Lord, the Name, a man, Wisdom, etc.)
3. Sons of God (The beings of this rank are the ones that received control of the nations after Babel and are also the ones responsible for Genesis 6 (the flood).
4. Angels (aka “messengers”)

New Testament theology states that we get promoted to #3. That is why in the NT these beings are never talked about positively, only negatively (the only possibility would be the “glorious ones” of Jude and Peter). We’re taking their jobs and they’re basically getting thrown out—in fact, they receive a death sentence. No wonder they’re pissed.

Now let’s get to comparing and contrasting (just a few to start):

Judeo-Christian:
Dualism: God is separate from everything else (creation).

Occult and New Age:
Monism: God is not separate, everything is a part of God, (The ALL).

Judeo-Christian:
God has a family and He wants us in it. He wants us as sons and daughters.

Occult and New Age:
People and other beings aren’t part of God’s family, they are a part of Him.

Judeo-Christian:
People are transformed and become part of the Divine realm through the work of Christ.

Occult and New Age:
People are transformed and become part of the Divine realm through slow evolution and spiritual exercises.

Goodbye for now!

Hi agapelove,
I can not argue with you about anything you say, but I do react to what you wrote about we replacing angel´s and they are cast out and got a Death sentence.....IF evolution is working this way, do how and why would anyone be pissed off?? We know nothing is for ever, and yeah Death is real and a good thing too. Think how horrible it would be if not Death did not exist...you would for ever be what you are born to, maybe dissabled and stuck in a body what is broken from the begining. No, I do not buy that. There is more to existense and evolution and to the highest inteligence. We also know that be too long in something you go blind and stagnate, so to be puched and re-placed is a good thing, nothing die´s per se...only evolves to something els. I do Believe all is GOOD and all is GOD.

Love
ia