how can a mystic function in this world?

[I-stone]

When people hate you. Call you crazy. Curse you.
Then various spirits do the same because they fear you.
Society shuns you, and tries to subdue you at every turn.

I dont see how it is possible to be spiritual these days.

[IA56]

Hi I-stone,
You can not abonden you, or what you keep as dear to you, even if you are total alone to feel and think as you do.
You can not give up yourself to please others.
Keep up the good work.

Love
ia

[John Sorensen]

When people hate you. Call you crazy. Curse you.
Then various spirits do the same because they fear you.
Society shuns you, and tries to subdue you at every turn.

I dont see how it is possible to be spiritual these days.

To be Spirit is not a choice.

It is what you are.

There are no words for it.

[ButterflyWoman]

Build psychic and spiritual protections around yourself and your home and your vehicle, etc. Energy shielding, belief shifting, all of that. Practice shielding always. Cut ties regularly. If someone (or something) is afraid of you, it's either their own projection of you (i.e., they're making up an image of what and who they think you are and attacking that) or it's because they have reason to be afraid. In the former case, you can ignore them. In the latter case, you can use that to keep them from bothering you.

"These days" are not much different from any other days, except that now you're not likely to be burned at the stake or boiled in oil or torn apart by wild dogs or some other horrible punishment that people used to like to use on spiritual non-conformists. People have always, unfortunately, been people, and they still are.

Narrow minds only see things narrowly. Don't try to enlighten them, teach them, guide them, or otherwise tell them anything they don't want to hear, and they won't have any reason to hate you, call you crazy, or curse you. Of course, they might still, anyway, because people can be like that, but for the most part, you have to learn to just move on from hostile people. They're really not worth your effort. You know that thing Jesus said about not throwing your pearls before swine, because they'd just trample them and maybe you? Yeah. That.

Basically, you have to learn to judge what to reveal and what not to reveal, and to whom. There will always be those who will take anything you say and twist it around or try to tell you you're doing it wrong (because they know your path better than you do or something) or call you crazy because they don't get it. It can be a lonely existence, just ask any saint or mystic from the annals of history. Balance is always the key.

[Sinera]

I dont see how it is possible to be spiritual these days.

"How 'spiritual' you are has nothing to do with what you believe, but everything to do with your state of consciousness." - E. Tolle

In other words: true spirituality is an individual and "internal" thing, not a societal and external thing, that is what today's religion is all about.

Spirituality and personal spiritual practice/experience is not a "mirror" thing but a look deep into your"higher"self. A mirror is always your outer reflection to society, the "persona" as C.G. Jung called it. Many people nowadays are too worried about their "persona" being right in order to "function" in society. That is why many people are wearing a "mask", a façade nowadays. This can make you sick in the long run, if you suppress your true self, because expressing this is your soul's purpose here.

Therefore: Rather be yourself, at all costs. Today I couldn't care less about what "people" (meaning: those in the mainstream / 'society') think of me. I did that in the past when I was younger. I think many people have problems with this today. Not being 'conform' enough, not to fit in.

Actually I believe we should make non-conformity a virtue, not for the sake of being different, but for the need of being yourself. How can you be yourself if you comply to all the rules here? Is it really worth it?

"It is no measure of good health to be well-adjusted to a sick society." - J. Krishnamurti

True spirituality (not religion) is about your relationship to the larger reality, your Higher Self, God, the "Source", Gaia/nature, whatever... and not to the society (and its norms) you happen to (or chose to) have been born into.

If they bring you down because of your views/beliefs/practices it has nothing to do with you(r state of consciousness), but everything with them and their state of UNconsciousness. Ignore them. They deserve none of your attention anymore.

[John Sorensen]

When people hate you. Call you crazy. Curse you.
Then various spirits do the same because they fear you.
Society shuns you, and tries to subdue you at every turn.

I dont see how it is possible to be spiritual these days.

Like attracts like.

If you dare to, imagine being around people who share you values, and surely they will be there, when you least expect.

[wstein]

Like attracts like.

If you dare to, imagine being around people who share you values, and surely they will be there, when you least expect.

Seems mocking to me.

While having a bad attitude certainly makes things harder, this is not realistic in many environments or at many skill levels. Though I am sure some advanced mystics can get this to work, many are not THAT powerful.

Further while a few attitudes around may change, most people don't change much. Trying to change others is fraught with its own issues. When the majority of your environment is hostile, its still extremely difficult to cope.

If you have any doubts, ask any minority about the problems. Some attitudes have shifted over time, meaning over a few generations. How long were women, gays, witches treated horribly or even killed?

[IA56]

Seems mocking to me.

While having a bad attitude certainly makes things harder, this is not realistic in many environments or at many skill levels. Though I am sure some advanced mystics can get this to work, many are not THAT powerful.

Further while a few attitudes around may change, most people don't change much. Trying to change others is fraught with its own issues. When the majority of your environment is hostile, its still extremely difficult to cope.

If you have any doubts, ask any minority about the problems. Some attitudes have shifted over time, meaning over a few generations. How long were women, gays, witches treated horribly or even killed?

Hi wstein,
I am not sure I follow your respond to John´s saying:
"If you dare to, imagine being around people who share you values, and surely they will be there, when you least expect´s "

As I read his quote he say...Imagen....not as you seam to have understood....go out and do..

As you say wstein it is true out in the society still most of people do not want to change and aboslutely not if it requires some exersice and take time...they do not want to invest that...only if someone can fix it for them, they in that case maybe, maybe dare to change.

So I appologize to you if I have totally missunderstood, and in that case I want you to elaborate more for me to be able to understand your respond that John´s quote to be mocking.

Love
ia

[John Sorensen]

Seems mocking to me.

While having a bad attitude certainly makes things harder, this is not realistic in many environments or at many skill levels. Though I am sure some advanced mystics can get this to work, many are not THAT powerful.

Further while a few attitudes around may change, most people don't change much. Trying to change others is fraught with its own issues. When the majority of your environment is hostile, its still extremely difficult to cope.+

If you have any doubts, ask any minority about the problems. Some attitudes have shifted over time, meaning over a few generations. How long were women, gays, witches treated horribly or even killed?

Well, I'm not sure here.


How to translate inner feeling to words, without the confusion. I will try.

*Imagination is a bridge in reality

*Imagination, thoughts, feelings and emotions create internal states, or vibratory patterns that affect the quantum field, drawing the possibilities that manifest into our lives.

This is not fancy stuff, it is actually quite simple, in fact the Heart Math institute teaches these ideas and techniques to business people, old and young, school children etc, who have no previous mediation experience.

*Not what we think or wish for, but what we FEEL we already are, is what shows up in our life.

*FEEL what you want already fulfilled, via imaginaton.

How...


Free Heart Coherence Technique PDF
http://www.dchs.nhs.uk/assets/public...0Technique.pdf

Audio description of the same
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcjPsEiohoA

My other post was meant in a literal matter, not metaphorical or wishful thinking, which is a waste of time.

I would not recommend anything that I have not used myself, or that does not work.

Our minds are our own space to fill with garbage or cultivate a garden, the choice is ours, and nobody can take away this ability to choose our internal state.

Heart Math does not replace any other meditation methods, but enhances them, and in fact in not a meditation so much that you "do", but a way of being.

[wstein]

Like attracts like.

If you dare to, imagine being around people who share you values, and surely they will be there, when you least expect.

Seems mocking to me.

The responses regarding my response to John’s statement are keying in on ‘imagine’. His post in its entirety is essentially LOA. Even if his suggestion is a valid idea (and it might be), it’s not a solution or even much of any help in the situation described. If you are not ‘like’ others, at best this will attract one or two people similar to yourself. The bulk of people will continue to behave in ways corrosive and abusive to yourself. Granted 2-3 against the horde is better than one against the horde but hardly a viable answer to the issue. I am speaking from a similar childhood situation to I-stone.

Perhaps a rephrase in another context will make more clear the issue. Imagine saying to the one person in your community of a different skin color to imagine others of their skin color to be around. Do you think this is going to make racial issues disappear?

Sidenote: there is a big issue with bullying on the internet these days. If you follow that, it’s pretty clear that the abuse does not stop because there are more of the targeted group. Not until the targeted group nearly equals in number and power does the abuse get targeted elsewhere. Notice I did not say it stops.