What if everything you know is wrong?

[Sinera]

I like it. And if we are all truly perfect beings then the more reason to make a video game where we play as a Human ( "THE STATE OF NOT KNOWING A F..... THING FOR SURE") because really it must be a bit boring to know everything in the universe (I know that, that is not true. But for the sake of this conversation I will say that).

Yes. And there is the view (metaphorically meant or not) that it is indeed all a virtual or holographic reality. Just look at Tom Campbell's work (My Big T.O.E.).

The human person/ego is seemingly the AVATAR in a computer game we call EARTH LIFE.

The AVATAR can evolve and become a bit self-aware sometimes, escape the matrix a bit and know or if only intuitively feel that it's all 'just' a game and there is another reality 'out there'. However, it seems most avatars (people) here don't know even that (... not knowing a thing ).

The PLAYER behind the screen using the software is the Higher Self or God-Source or whatever you call it. It's a kind of game, for whatever purpose.

And we are avatars.

[John Sorensen]

Yes. And there is the view (metaphorically meant or not) that it is indeed all a virtual or holographic reality. Just look at Tom Campbell's work (My Big T.O.E.).

The human person/ego is seemingly the AVATAR in a computer game we call EARTH LIFE.

The AVATAR can evolve and become a bit self-aware sometimes, escape the matrix a bit and know or if only intuitively feel that it's all 'just' a game and there is another reality 'out there'. However, it seems most avatars (people) here don't know even that (... not knowing a thing ).

The PLAYER behind the screen using the software is the Higher Self or God-Source or whatever you call it. It's a kind of game, for whatever purpose.

And we are avatars.

*RANT follows, strongly worded, not intended to offend anyone etc*


In my view I'd say YOU are the Higher Self or God Source, and any of us can experience that perspective, here and now, while being aware of your local self at the same time. I play loads of video games, and yes avatar is quite a good way of seeing it, because you are the avatar and WITNESSING the avatar at the same time. Therefore you KNOW you are not it, because you are watching it.

It's not a matter of being evolved, or doing some kind of work or earning anything, it's just a matter of focus.

If you have a TV with 100 channels, and you only watch 4 of them and are unaware of the other 96, when someone shows you how to see those those other channels, your mind explodes a bit, then you settle down and one day someone says oh "by the by mate, God's channel is # 73 or whatever" and you have not bothered to look at that channel and say "oh there is no God, woe is me, it's all meaningless"

But then one day you think ♥♥♥♥ it, I'll take a look at that channel, and hey your mate was not talking a load of rubbish, and knowing your-self as a multidimensional being whose primarily reality and state of being is what we sometimes call love (but often mistake for egoic attachment, rather than actual love which never makes demands, accepts everyone as they are now and accepts that even "Evil" people are still God in disguise).

Anyway, it's the most natural thing in the world to experience yourself "as you are", without all the layers of conceptual bull♥♥♥♥ that we put up with in modern society, and all the distractions from TV and and media and time wasting nonsense.

If we put all that aside, sit down every day and meditate and say right "I know there is god, and I'm going to experience this state on my own terms, free of dogma, religion and spiritual mumbo jumbo, and all labels and conceptualisations.

If anyone, or any age or background actually INTENDS to experience god, self, the living universe in a deeply personal, way, and keep thinking that thought, and feeling that feeling EVERY DAY, then they will experience that, there is no way NOT to experience that if you actually persist.

Most people, they try say for example meditating /praying or whatever for a few weeks in a half-arsed way, then nothing happens, they say "oh there is no god, it's a load of rubbish" and then they give up and go back to being miserable, content with their "proof".

But no, that is not the way in my view. If were unemployed and went out for four weeks and DID NOT get a job, you would not STOP and go "oh it's a waste of time, I don't believe in jobs, they are a myth, I give up".

You would keep looking for a job for 3 months or 6 months or 12 months or however long it takes, you don't stop until you actually get the job.

But that's how it often is, most people put more effort into washing their car than looking for a direct personal experience of god, that has NOTHING to do with religion or ANY belief system or dogma, not mine, not anyone's, only your own experience, free of any of the nonsense "spiritual" gurus and such talk about.

[susan]

And that's what makes it so much fun. The art of searching,getting confused, excited, disappointed, trying new ways, failing, hoping, feeling successful in discovering , and still in the end feeling your discovering something that you can not physically prove therefore ' not knowing for sure' .
I'm having a ball discovering, as I'm sure you are and many more.

[DerFürst]

Seems like every time you think you know how something is, you realize you don't. It seems like knowing comes in iterations, each time improving upon the foundation, but resetting itself over and over so its still fresh. Its hard to find the foresight to notice this whenever breakthroughs are made, though.

It's rather frustrating to realize that every major leap won't ever be the last, but I suppose that's the glory in it. I don't know, and it seems like every time I try to say something worthwhile, I'm still missing a huge amount of the picture and unintentionally mislead people in the places I'm still missing. It's still encouraging to share your "struggles" with other people doing the same, which seems to make talking to people worth it.