Your own Proof thats OBEs a real ?

[TimeTravel]

could anyone prove the obes are real ?
for example watching a friend and tell him what he has done to the time?
I would like to believe in it but often I doubt it.

[GMAN12]

You could, but it could be a perception problem. Why not tell your friend about the experience? It's the only way you can confirm what you say was real!

[TimeTravel]

Sry, you not unterstand me, i have no friend who can OBEs.
it was just an example

[Sinera]

Yes, I have quite a few now, including a so-called 'card validation'. Many others 'by accident'.

Here's also a collection with a lot of anecdotal evidence, mostly from forums, have fun reading:

http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html

[TimeTravel]

Thanks, very interessing link, but i cant belive it ^^
i dont know why

[Sinera]

Thanks, very interessing link, but i cant belive it ^^
i dont know why

The link is not for entire persuading - it was just for motivation. It "happens" or "works for" others, so it might work for you. Try it and you will "prove" it to yourself or at least gather strong evidence.

[CFTraveler]

You can't prove anything to anyone else, just as you can't prove to anyone that you dream. The reason is the one you just said- if you can't believe it even if you actually have an OBE, go and see something that is actually happenning, come back and record it, go verify it actually happened, and know it was a genuine non-or extra-local happening, you will never be able to convince anyone else that your experience was valid in a physical way.
And before you tell me you can 'prove' dreaming, that is not so- you can prove the brain shifts frequencies when in the sleep state, and you can wake people up and ask them if they're dreaming- but no one can 'know' that what they're saying is true.
So no, there is no way to 'prove' anything that has to do with consciousness.
That's why in science, there is a distinction between 'hard' sciences and 'soft' sciences- anything to do with psychology is not considered science either.

[ButterflyWoman]

In addition to what CFTraveler wrote, basically, OBE and most or all "mystical" events are experiences. Subjective, personal, experiences. Yes, sometimes more than one person may share in an event, but each will have their own absolutely unique interpretation of it, and their own absolutely unique experience of it. You can't prove or disprove an experience. If I tell you I once broke the big toe on my left foot, do you believe me? Yes? Why? Because I could (presumably) produce some sort of medical record or x-ray or a note from my doctor? Or do you believe me because you have no reason not to believe me, and, really, what do you care if I ever did or did not break my big toe?

But more than that, the attitude and worldview from which a question like this comes is something to be examined. Is this thing you think of as "reality" really just facts and numbers and provable statistics and x-rays? Is it really "out there" somewhere? How does your own interpretation affect the situation? What about your beliefs, how might they affect your reality?

Just some food for thought. Or, rather, some cage rattling.

[Daisy]

Your post makes me think of "The Blind Men and The Elephant." If you are unfamiliar with it, it's a poem that depicts six blind men each touching an elephant for the first time and getting vastly different impressions. Same creature, different perception.

The Blind Men and the Elephant
John Godfrey Saxe (1816-1887)

It was six men of Indostan
To learning much inclined,
Who went to see the Elephant
(Though all of them were blind),
That each by observation
Might satisfy his mind.

The First approached the Elephant,
And happening to fall
Against his broad and sturdy side,
At once began to bawl:
"God bless me! but the Elephant
Is very like a WALL!"


The Second, feeling of the tusk,
Cried, "Ho, what have we here,
So very round and smooth and sharp?
To me 'tis mighty clear
This wonder of an Elephant
Is very like a SPEAR!"

The Third approached the animal,
And happening to take
The squirming trunk within his hands,
Thus boldly up and spake:
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a SNAKE!"

The Fourth reached out an eager hand,
And felt about the knee
"What most this wondrous beast is like
Is mighty plain," quoth he:
"'Tis clear enough the Elephant
Is very like a TREE!"

The Fifth, who chanced to touch the ear,
Said: "E'en the blindest man
Can tell what this resembles most;
Deny the fact who can,
This marvel of an Elephant
Is very like a FAN!"

The Sixth no sooner had begun
About the beast to grope,
Than seizing on the swinging tail
That fell within his scope,
"I see," quoth he, "the Elephant
Is very like a ROPE!"

And so these men of Indostan
Disputed loud and long,
Each in his own opinion
Exceeding stiff and strong,
Though each was partly in the right,
And all were in the wrong!

[Lionheart]

could anyone prove the obes are real ?
for example watching a friend and tell him what he has done to the time?
I would like to believe in it but often I doubt it.

The only person that will ever truly convince you, is yourself. No matter what other people say, it can always be debunked by another.
Learn the skill, practice often, keep a good up to date Journal and in time you will be able to answer this question from your own point of view!